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My disco never hung up as bad as yours. Most of the other issues you noted were present in mine. I wore the coating down via racking the unsprung slide, and shooting.
I still had a smith install the EGW parts. Should’ve had him fit a new safety too, my factory one works fine, but is a pure bitch to remove/install. It runs well, now. Read up on removing the mag catch, it is easy to break. Not sure what could be going on there. Attached File |
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I was in the same boat as you I have the 5" model and had all the issues that was reported online. I tried to put 700 rounds through it and was on the struggle bus the whole time I contacted Springfield, they sent me everything I needed to ship it back to them and within two weeks I got it back and it has performed flawlessly. I would just bite the bullet and report to them what issues you are having and have them take a look at it. They will perform an entire work over of your gun.
Mine is sitting at an addition 1100 rounds of mixed ammo types and grains with no issue. (Repair Notes) Attached File |
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[#3]
Springer makes it easy if you go that route. Sad they still aren’t getting it right yet, but yours could be as old as mine.
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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Sounds like the Prodigy isn’t one with exceptional qualities or abilities huh…
I’d send it back…but did you exhibit this at the gunshop prior to buying? |
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[#5]
$1500 gun you say?
Beautiful looking pistol though. Thanks for the write up. |
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[#6]
This sounds eerily similar to the problems I’ve had with my Ronin EMP. Mine was sent to Springfield twice and it still doesn’t have my trust for carry.
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[#7]
That breech face looks kinda used? You bought new?
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
[#8]
I don’t think that’s cerakote coming out of the slide or at least I’ve never seen that.
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BikerNut:
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I don’t think that’s cerakote coming out of the slide or at least I’ve never seen that. View Quote They laid it on thick. When I was shooting mine early on, it was mixing with my lube and making a sludge. Now after 1300 rounds it is slick. SA dropped the ball on a few points of these builds, but it seems like a solid gun now. Very easy to get hits, and finally reliable. |
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I don’t think that’s cerakote coming out of the slide or at least I’ve never seen that. View Quote With all due respect but if not cerekote I am at a complete loss. Its a brand new and unfired gun. I field stripped and cleaned and lubed it up and its still doing it. The slide rails are starting to show areas where the coating is being worn off now. If cerakote is being rubbed off it has to go somewhere. I believe it mixing with the lube on the slide and forming this sludge. I'm sure it will resolve over time with use. |
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Originally Posted By thehun06: Sounds like the Prodigy isn’t one with exceptional qualities or abilities huh… I’d send it back…but did you exhibit this at the gunshop prior to buying? View Quote I showed the guy at Hyatt's how the slide was hanging up on the disconnector. He looked at it sideways but didn't really comment. In his/Hyatt's defense I showed it more as point of conversation. I did not expect nor demand that they do anything. |
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[#13]
Mine did the same. Till I got after it with the bbl/spring removed.
I was pulling that thing like a 16 YO with his first porn mag. The black crud finally quit coming out after 45 minutes. |
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
[Last Edit: Mike_G]
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UPDATE: I backed out the screw on the right side of the mag catch and tightened back up and it came "unhung" and seems to be functioning fine for now.
I did register my warranty online and sent an email to Springfield listing the issues I'm having. I want to shoot it before I send it in to see how it does with fte and ftf. Someone responded that the turnaround time to Springfield and back was only 2 weeks. I think I can resist the urge to do an amateur gunsmithing job on it for that long. |
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[Last Edit: Mike_G]
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Originally Posted By DVCER: Mine did the same. Till I got after it with the bbl/spring removed. I was pulling that thing like a 16 YO with his first porn mag. The black crud finally quit coming out after 45 minutes. View Quote You were how old when you got your first porn mag? Ha Ha ... I thought that was a typo at first. Now I get it had to read it a few times ...lol |
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[Last Edit: Mike_G]
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I don’t think that’s cerakote coming out of the slide or at least I’ve never seen that. View Quote Just noticing your screen name and avatar. Were you in Alaska? I work remotely for a company there. I'm NC but for the last year have been traveling to Anchorage and staying about a week out of each month. Interesting place. |
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[#17]
Originally Posted By DVCER: My disco never hung up as bad as yours. Most of the other issues you noted were present in mine. I wore the coating down via racking the unsprung slide, and shooting. I still had a smith install the EGW parts. Should’ve had him fit a new safety too, my factory one works fine, but is a pure bitch to remove/install. It runs well, now. Read up on removing the mag catch, it is easy to break. Not sure what could be going on there. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/857/C335D9D8-CC78-43EC-9676-8D1F0E04E825_jpe-2789520.JPG View Quote Did the EGW Igitition Kit cure the issue of the slide hanging up on the disconnector? |
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[#18]
The black goo is the Cerakote wearing off mixed with whatever lubricant is on the gun.
The disconnector is a multi-part issue. Part of it is the shape of the head of the disconnector, part of it is the sear spring needing adjustment, part of it is the thick Cerakote binding up the slide to frame fit, and part of it is the weak stock recoil spring. The mag catches in the Prodigy are known to stick. It could be as much an issue with the actual dimensions of the mag catch as it is a dimension issue with the cut in the polymer frame. Most seem to work themselves out with use. Mine was a little sticky at first but it was fine after a few range trips. I went full blown custom on mine and replaced just about every part, had it ported, and had it DLC coated. It runs any make/model ammo I’ve tried now with a 7 lb recoil spring. |
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[#21]
cerakote is not a durable finish on a handgun slide
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[#22]
That looks way beyond a factory test fire. Hard to believe that was NIB.
And yeah, the EGW ignition kit took away most of the disconnector bump and it runs like it should. |
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
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Originally Posted By Mike_G: With all due respect but if not cerekote I am at a complete loss. Its a brand new and unfired gun. I field stripped and cleaned and lubed it up and its still doing it. The slide rails are starting to show areas where the coating is being worn off now. If cerakote is being rubbed off it has to go somewhere. I believe it mixing with the lube on the slide and forming this sludge. I'm sure it will resolve over time with use. View Quote I'm not certain I've just never seen the cerakote do that as far as turning into sludge. I've seen it peel/flake off and get worn through just never the sludge like you show. Certainly not any kind of a definitive opinion. Originally Posted By Mike_G: Just noticing your screen name and avatar. Were you in Alaska? I work remotely for a company there. I'm NC but for the last year have been traveling to Anchorage and staying about a week out of each month. Interesting place. View Quote Born and raised in SE AK Originally Posted By Mike_G: You've got me thinking. The more I examine this gun the more areas I'm finding that appear like "wear." Take a look at these photos. Did I get a used gun? View Quote Different guns get different levels of test firing so I'd say that could certainly be that. I've seen guns with significant grease grime and wear direct from the factory. If they did shoot it more than normal that might be part of the sludge you are seeing. I sold guns for years and almost always recommend people have the factory fix problematic guns. There are definitely problems that can be fixed at the user level by some people but as someone on the other side I've seen a lot of guns messed up by customers. Back when I sold guns Springfield was one of the better companies for customer service. I had two of my personal gun I had to send back and numerous customer guns. Most were fixed properly but on the other end of the spectrum my personal gun went back 3 times and I told them I didn't want it back and to send me something else. |
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BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles. People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird. |
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[#25]
Personally I wouldn’t worry about it. Keep the receipt, register it on SA for the warranty, and shoot it. If there are any issues send it in to SA for a chance to get it right before doing anything else.
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Originally Posted By DVCER: Mine did the same. Till I got after it with the bbl/spring removed. I was pulling that thing like a 16 YO with his first porn mag. The black crud finally quit coming out after 45 minutes. View Quote I wish I'd thought to remove my spring and barrel. I worked mine enough that's it's probably due a recoil spring and I haven't even shot it yet. |
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[Last Edit: Mike_G]
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Originally Posted By GreyBeardBiker: It sure looks used to me. And that is the way my Ronin EMP looked. I documented everything and the seller and Springfield said it was new. I don't believe any of them at this point. View Quote I emailed all the photos to Hyatt and they called me promptly. The gentleman I spoke to said that while it does appear the gun had been though more than typical factory test firing it is most definitely a new gun. He said that the gun was received by the store in December 2022 and when I laid it away in January they pulled it from stock and set it aside. He also explained some of the legal hoops they have to jump through as new gun retailers. He offered to let me bring it into the store for a thorough check and cleaning, but I declined since I'm about 3 hours from the store. Nonetheless, he sent me a $50 gift certificate to use on their online store. I have not, however, heard from Springfield yet. I'm sure they will respond soon. Sounds like their customer service is pretty on point. I want to shoot it this weekend before send it back anyway. |
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[#29]
Use a light oil. Mine was slow using Mobil 1 30w. CLP works.
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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[Last Edit: Mike_G]
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UPDATE: Trip to the range didn't happen. I was checking mag function by loading to mag to full capacity, inserting into gun with slide locked back and loading round by releasing the slide stop (there's probably name for it. I just don't know what it is). Functioned perfectly 3x. Then the mag release stopped working again except this time it fell out of the gun completely. That was on me though . I played with it a bit and "fixed" it, but it's still very rough i.e. seems really gritty and hangs up periodically. I'm going to try the range tomorrow and will report how she does.
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[#32]
Originally Posted By Mike_G: You've got me thinking. The more I examine this gun the more areas I'm finding that appear like "wear." Take a look at these photos. Did I get a used gun? https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/IMG_0378.jpg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds" target="_blank">https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/IMG_0378.jpg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/FullSizeRender_qszBzsy4fgM18obMEUEtY2.jpg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds" target="_blank">https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/FullSizeRender_qszBzsy4fgM18obMEUEtY2.jpg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/IMG_0380.HEIC?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds" target="_blank">https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/IMG_0380.HEIC?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds View Quote Looks to me it was...or extensive firing at the mothership... |
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[#35]
Are they on the second-gen production of these yet? I want one, but not with all the problems I'm reading about...
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[Last Edit: DVCER]
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That Winchester 115 was the cause of most of my issues, glad it worked for you .
Great spreadsheet btw, and informative range report. Sucks these things are so needy, but whatever route you go it can be 100% with good ammo. My reloads were kickin my butt for a while. You gonna send it back? |
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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[Last Edit: DVCER]
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Originally Posted By Mike_G: Seems like everyone is using the EGW ignition kit to upgrade the Prodigy. In fact the kits with blued / two-tone hammers are out of stock. There appear to be some interesting alternatives from Harrison Development (True-radius sear) and Nighthawk (Drop-in Trigger system or DTS). The DTS caught my eye. Everything is preassembled and there’s no sear spring adjustment necessary. The big con is the price. At $300 it’s double the cost of the EGW or Harrison kits assuming I don’t pay a smith to install. Nighthawk seems to have a good reputation, but I have not read much about the DTS or whether anyone is using it on the Prodigy. https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/A1380B8D-43EE-4497-B049-EA49837934D6.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds" target="_blank">https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/hh503/Mike_G1964/A1380B8D-43EE-4497-B049-EA49837934D6.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds View Quote That looks promising. Never heard of it, till now. I did the *gunsmith did* the EGW LW set. These things have a high potential. My first attempt at reloading 125 gr SWC worked out well. And these damn things fed fine, when my 124 gr fmj did not. 20 yards rested. Attached File Were the FTF fails to go fully into battery? Like a tap on the slide finished chambering. That was my biggest issue. I think wearing down the ceracoat, and bumping up to a 14# recoil and the EGW kit is what fixed mine. Also running a 19# main. My gun guy had a 9mm reamer and I told him to ream, but he said it never moved any metal. |
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
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Originally Posted By DVCER: That Winchester 115 was the cause of most of my issues, glad it worked for you . Great spreadsheet btw, and informative range report. Sucks these things are so needy, but whatever route you go it can be 100% with good ammo. My reloads were kickin my butt for a while. You gonna send it back? View Quote Dropped it off at the FedEx hub yesterday |
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Originally Posted By DVCER: That looks promising. Never heard of it, till now. I did the *gunsmith did* the EGW LW set. These things have a high potential. My first attempt at reloading 125 gr SWC worked out well. And these damn things fed fine, when my 124 gr fmj did not. 20 yards rested. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/857/D52F777A-5606-46A8-9787-5AFBC0606670_jpe-2794742.JPG Were the FTF fails to go fully into battery? Like a tap on the slide finished chambering. That was my biggest issue. I think wearing down the ceracoat, and bumping up to a 14# recoil and the EGW kit is what fixed mine. Also running a 19# main. My gun guy had a 9mm reamer and I told him to ream, but he said it never moved any metal. View Quote I only had one failure to go into battery. My FTF's were true FTF's where the the round did not chamber at all. Nice shooting by the way |
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Sad they let so many out without any QC. There are some measurements that need to be pretty close on the mag lips, but I hope SA fixes yours up. Mine are pretty close to staccato measurements, and they always fed. Just never completely chambered. Sometimes, it seemed like the slide was moving in slow motion. Ceracoat wear+heavy oil=sludge, as you noted.
I wore that coating down, and will continue to lube with CLP for a while, then see if I can go back to Mobil 1. |
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
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