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Posted: 2/2/2021 9:56:05 PM EDT
Just as a PSA, there was a safety bulletin sent out regarding the M18.
Striker block is apparently shearing off the striker assembly. Round count was at around 5-6k. Might want to check your striker assembly.  (Far left, bottom of the assembly in the picture above is the piece). ETA: Here's the transcribed bulletin: M17/M18 PQDR Background — • SOATB is having a new issue with our SIG M18's • The Safety Lock as pictured is shearing and disabling the Drop Safety. • Weapon will still fire and function normally but can be unsafe if dropped. • If not correct weapon could accidentally discharge. Ongoing Actions — • Inspected and repaired as required. • PQDR submission to TACOM • The affected part can only be replaced as an entire assy: Striker Assy (1005-01-665-3082). • Request that armorers keep Striker Assemblies on hand as Shop Stock. • 3 x of the 115 on hand were found broken during inspection. • Round count on the affected pistols was approx. 5-6000 rounds. Recommendations — • Adjacent Unit Armorers one time inspect all weapons of the affected area on the underside of the slide • Reinspect every time the weapon is issued. • Implement the SOUM or MAM once distro |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:06:31 PM EDT
[#1]
Been done with Sig for a long time.
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:18:31 PM EDT
[#2]
Source? I would like to share if you have one available.
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:25:23 PM EDT
[#3]
What are you calling the striker block? The striker housing?
The housing was redesigned some time ago. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:30:42 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Source? I would like to share if you have one available. It's CUI. The pictures accompanying the bulletin basically showed the striker assembly with the striker block missing. It's not meant as some indictment of an endemic problem, just like an advisory for the armorer's to check their pistols over to make sure everything is still there. Might have been a bad batch of parts or just a few lemons. Just thought I'd share -- could be worth it to check your striker assembly. Shouldn't take much time. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:39:20 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you calling the striker block? The striker housing? The housing was redesigned some time ago. Sorry, the part that acts as a striker block. It's part of the striker housing. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:44:24 PM EDT
[#6]
Well, they are Indian MIM, so I can't say I'm shocked.
Saying this as someone who has thousands upon thousands invested into the platform currently. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 10:59:34 PM EDT
[#7]
For reasons I can't explain, I still want one. Just not ready to adopt a new platform right now. Sig mags are also retarded expensive.
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Posted: 2/2/2021 11:12:06 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, the part that acts as a striker block. It's part of the striker housing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What are you calling the striker block? The striker housing? The housing was redesigned some time ago. Sorry, the part that acts as a striker block. It's part of the striker housing. Got it. Thank you for posting |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 11:44:22 PM EDT
[#9]
A Sig P320 failing
 Seriously that was the dumbest use of tax dollars |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 12:08:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, they are Indian MIM, so I can't say I'm shocked. Saying this as someone who has thousands upon thousands invested into the platform currently. Got a source for the claim of India supplied MIM? Under military contracts the manufacture must be CONUS, though they are allowed time to set-up a US manufacture facility. For the M9, Beretta had to have plant in the US as part of the contract. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 1:59:21 AM EDT
[#11]
Yikes.
Do the M17/18 (or really any of the modern Sig striker guns) have separate striker blocks like a Glock safety plunger which physically impede forward progress in event of a failure like this? Or, is it just the bar on the striker preventing it from going home? |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 10:25:43 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Got a source for the claim of India supplied MIM? Under military contracts the manufacture must be CONUS, though they are allowed time to set-up a US manufacture facility. For the M9, Beretta had to have plant in the US as part of the contract. The slide, barrels, and FCG (serialed part) are made here. Small parts are fed-ex'd in. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 10:39:05 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For reasons I can't explain, I still want one. Just not ready to adopt a new platform right now. Sig mags are also retarded expensive. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 10:44:13 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yikes. Do the M17/18 (or really any of the modern Sig striker guns) have separate striker blocks like a Glock safety plunger which physically impede forward progress in event of a failure like this? Or, is it just the bar on the striker preventing it from going home? The striker block on the P320/M17/M18 is integrated into the striker assembly. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:27:26 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yikes. Do the M17/18 (or really any of the modern Sig striker guns) have separate striker blocks like a Glock safety plunger which physically impede forward progress in event of a failure like this? Or, is it just the bar on the striker preventing it from going home? The part that is allegedly failing is the striker block that prevents the striker from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:36:41 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ACT mags are $20-25 and tops shelf, if you're curious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For reasons I can't explain, I still want one. Just not ready to adopt a new platform right now. Sig mags are also retarded expensive. Not the news a gun addict needs to hear! 
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Posted: 2/3/2021 12:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The part that is allegedly failing is the striker block that prevents the striker from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. Which they had to redesigned when they figured out the guns would fire when dropped or hit on the rear of the slide... |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 3:04:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which they had to redesigned when they figured out the guns would fire when dropped or hit on the rear of the slide... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The part that is allegedly failing is the striker block that prevents the striker from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. Which they had to redesigned when they figured out the guns would fire when dropped or hit on the rear of the slide... The drop safety issue was due to the mass of the trigger causing the trigger to pull itself under inertia when dropped. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 5:10:23 PM EDT
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I wonder if this is what has been happening to those Sigs that are firing in the holster. Also can you post this in GD pretty please!!!!
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Posted: 2/3/2021 5:14:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which they had to redesigned when they figured out the guns would fire when dropped or hit on the rear of the slide... That was a separate issue. He's talking about that tiny, little thin piece of India MiM "striker block" on the side of the striker. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 6:14:38 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if this is what has been happening to those Sigs that are firing in the holster. Also can you post this in GD pretty please!!!! Not trying to have this devolve into a shit fest. Just want it to serve the same purpose as the bulletin itself. Give your guns a once over to make sure everything is still in order. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 6:25:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ACT mags are $20-25 and tops shelf, if you're curious. I was just going to post this. I have both OEM and Act Mags and the quality is excellent. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 7:27:19 PM EDT
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Jesus here we go again.
Another unfounded claim. Where is this Safety Bulletin? I have checked every Military source I have as an Armorer CUI or not, I am not seeing it. Also checked S1 net under safety... nothing. Please source this. Cp |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 10:19:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus here we go again. Another unfounded claim. Where is this Safety Bulletin? I have checked every Military source I have as an Armorer CUI or not, I am not seeing it. Also checked S1 net under safety... nothing. Please source this. Cp My source is being a lazy piece of shit and won't get on NIPR |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 10:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got a source for the claim of India supplied MIM? Under military contracts the manufacture must be CONUS, though they are allowed time to set-up a US manufacture facility. For the M9, Beretta had to have plant in the US as part of the contract. His source is some old GD post he pulled out of his ass. meme removed - this isn't GD |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:22:30 PM EDT
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Appreciate the heads up OP, butt I got questions
1. M17/18 is not a SOCOM/USASOC program. It’s a P2 TACOM (big army) weapon system, so why is SOCOM allegedly fielding this safety message? 2. Safety stand downs are 100% unclass, not CUI (which is the new name for UNCLASSIFIED/FOUO). Why is this one different? 3. What is your source? This ought to have come with an SAFAM, SOUM, GPM, ALARACT etc number. AGAIN.... UNCLASSIFIED, no caveat. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:29:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct about US DOD procurement. It's why FN has several factories in the US, as does Glock, Sig Sauer, and Beretta. His source is some old GD post he pulled out of his ass. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/427499/37D6111B-F9F0-4C31-9098-232158239845_jpe-1809969.JPG I currently have 8 Decoms and 2 other 320's. But Sig outsourcing is no secret. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:41:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct about US DOD procurement. It's why FN has several factories in the US, as does Glock, Sig Sauer, and Beretta. His source is some old GD post he pulled out of his ass. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/427499/37D6111B-F9F0-4C31-9098-232158239845_jpe-1809969.JPG I don't know what the M18 contract says, but I can guarantee you I've shipped plenty of .mil contracted items with components made all over the planet. All with certs on those components signed off by DoD source inspection. Not saying the M18 has foreign made components but the way he worded it is not accurate across the board for DoD contracts. |
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know what the M18 contract says, but I can guarantee you I've shipped plenty of .mil contracted items with components made all over the planet. All with certs on those components signed off by DoD source inspection.   |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 12:00:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Appreciate the heads up OP, butt I got questions 1. M17/18 is not a SOCOM/USASOC program. It’s a P2 TACOM (big army) weapon system, so why is SOCOM allegedly fielding this safety message? 2. Safety stand downs are 100% unclass, not CUI (which is the new name for UNCLASSIFIED/FOUO). Why is this one different? 3. What is your source? This ought to have come with an SAFAM, SOUM, GPM, ALARACT etc number. AGAIN.... UNCLASSIFIED, no caveat. 1. SOCOM fielded it because they still fall under big Army weapons. They still get M9 Berettas, and in continuum they get the M18. 2. It isn't a safety stand down, it's a safety bulletin that was pushed out to identify a weakness in a weapon system that is currently being fielded. 3. Source is the Regimental Safety Officer who shares bulletins like these and others, (MFF Accidents, Karl-G failures, and Heavy Motor Equipment failures as well). Maybe you're misunderstanding -- it's not a safety stand down. It's literally just an identification of a weapons failure and literally identifies Armorers to just keep a running stock of full kit replacements. The NSN was even supplied. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 12:16:01 AM EDT
[#31]
Was it this one from PS Magazine?
M17/M18 MHS: New Slide Function Check June 12, 2020 Soldiers, do you know the M17/M18 modular handgun system (MHS) has two different striker assemblies? One is called the current striker assembly and the other is the original striker assembly. Both will operate with or without the reset spring and are mission capable as long as the striker is retained by the safety lock and passes all other function checks. There’s no need to replace the original with the current unless it fails the function checks. How do you know which striker assembly is in your MHS? Only by performing a slide function check. Start with the original striker assembly check in WP 12 of TM 9-1005-470-10 (Mar 19) or WP 10 of TM 9-1005-470-23&P (Jun 19). If your slide fails this function test, perform this new slide function test: Apply slight forward pressure to the striker pin toward the muzzle end of the slide. The striker pin shouldn’t protrude from the breech face of slide. Press in on the safety lock. While pressing in on the striker safety lock, push the striker pin forward. The striker pin should move and protrude from the breech face of the slide. While holding the striker pin forward, release the safety lock. The safety lock should still be held down. Release the striker pin and push it back to the rear of the slide. The safety lock should reset. You should hear a slight click. Apply slight forward pressure to the striker pin toward the muzzle end of the slide. The striker pin should not protrude from the breech face. Check extractor tension by lifting up the extractor and releasing it. The extractor spring should produce resistance. Note that a slide function test should be performed any time maintenance is performed on the pistol, as well as during PMCS. The -10 and -23 TMs will be updated with this info. If you have any questions or need assistance, contact your local Army Materiel Command (AMC) Logistics Assistance Representative (LAR) or your State Surface Maintenance Manager. For the full message go to: https://tulsa.tacom.army.mil/Maintenance/message.cfm?id=MI20-029.html |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 7:52:10 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A Sig P320 failing Seriously that was the dumbest use of tax dollars Bingo. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 2:09:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know what the M18 contract says, but I can guarantee you I've shipped plenty of .mil contracted items with components made all over the planet. All with certs on those components signed off by DoD source inspection. Not saying the M18 has foreign made components but the way he worded it is not accurate across the board for DoD contracts. Last time I ordered some small parts for my P320 the bags all said "made in india" on them, including the spare striker assembly I got. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 2:31:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been done with Sig for a long time. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 2:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was it this one from PS Magazine? M17/M18 MHS: New Slide Function Check June 12, 2020 Soldiers, do you know the M17/M18 modular handgun system (MHS) has two different striker assemblies? One is called the current striker assembly and the other is the original striker assembly. Both will operate with or without the reset spring and are mission capable as long as the striker is retained by the safety lock and passes all other function checks. There’s no need to replace the original with the current unless it fails the function checks. How do you know which striker assembly is in your MHS? Only by performing a slide function check. Start with the original striker assembly check in WP 12 of TM 9-1005-470-10 (Mar 19) or WP 10 of TM 9-1005-470-23&P (Jun 19). If your slide fails this function test, perform this new slide function test: Apply slight forward pressure to the striker pin toward the muzzle end of the slide. The striker pin shouldn’t protrude from the breech face of slide. Press in on the safety lock. While pressing in on the striker safety lock, push the striker pin forward. The striker pin should move and protrude from the breech face of the slide. While holding the striker pin forward, release the safety lock. The safety lock should still be held down. Release the striker pin and push it back to the rear of the slide. The safety lock should reset. You should hear a slight click. Apply slight forward pressure to the striker pin toward the muzzle end of the slide. The striker pin should not protrude from the breech face. Check extractor tension by lifting up the extractor and releasing it. The extractor spring should produce resistance. Note that a slide function test should be performed any time maintenance is performed on the pistol, as well as during PMCS. The -10 and -23 TMs will be updated with this info. If you have any questions or need assistance, contact your local Army Materiel Command (AMC) Logistics Assistance Representative (LAR) or your State Surface Maintenance Manager. For the full message go to: https://tulsa.tacom.army.mil/Maintenance/message.cfm?id=MI20-029.html Don't believe so, it was sent out on 2 February. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 2:42:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Well that is not good, thanks for posting.
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Posted: 2/4/2021 2:49:12 PM EDT
[#37]
@demoMouse I transcribed the bulletin
M17/M18 PQDR Background — • SOATB is having a new issue with our SIG M18's • The Safety Lock as pictured is shearing and disabling the Drop Safety. • Weapon will still fire and function normally but can be unsafe if dropped. • If not correct weapon could accidentally discharge. Ongoing Actions — • Inspected and repaired as required. • PQDR submission to TACOM • The affected part can only be replaced as an entire assy: Striker Assy (1005-01-665-3082). • Request that armorers keep Striker Assemblies on hand as Shop Stock. • 3 x of the 115 on hand were found broken during inspection. • Round count on the affected pistols was approx. 5-6000 rounds. Recommendations — • Adjacent Unit Armorers one time inspect all weapons of the affected area on the underside of the slide • Reinspect every time the weapon is issued. • Implement the SOUM or MAM once distro |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 10:38:48 AM EDT
[#38]
I was going to grab one of these for my son soon. Wanted something different from glock and he's joining the Army soon so it gave me a good excuse to grab one.
See them at a local shop often next to fde glocks sometimes, I guess I'll have to rethink this one. |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 11:50:31 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's CUI. The pictures accompanying the bulletin basically showed the striker assembly with the striker block missing. It's not meant as some indictment of an endemic problem, just like an advisory for the armorer's to check their pistols over to make sure everything is still there. Might have been a bad batch of parts or just a few lemons. Just thought I'd share -- could be worth it to check your striker assembly. Shouldn't take much time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Source? I would like to share if you have one available. It's CUI. The pictures accompanying the bulletin basically showed the striker assembly with the striker block missing. It's not meant as some indictment of an endemic problem, just like an advisory for the armorer's to check their pistols over to make sure everything is still there. Might have been a bad batch of parts or just a few lemons. Just thought I'd share -- could be worth it to check your striker assembly. Shouldn't take much time. But it doesn't bother you to post FOUO on a public forum? |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 12:40:55 PM EDT
[#40]
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Posted: 2/5/2021 12:49:13 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A Sig P320 failing Seriously that was the dumbest use of tax dollars You realize we PAY for diversity officer and training, right? |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 12:53:51 PM EDT
[#42]
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Posted: 2/5/2021 1:30:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryYes |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 2:33:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryYes. That is Sig's answer to a striker block...you know the thing that is usually a big beefy cylinder on Glocks and Smiths. |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 2:40:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @demoMouse I transcribed the bulletin So its a PQDR submission going up from SOATB to TACOM regarding a failure observed in only 3 of 115 guns. Hardly the SOCOM issued safety bulletin you made it seem like. I love all the negativity in this thread, as if there weren't advisories on all kinds of military equipment all the time. Some minor growing pains or a few lemon parts in a new system is a pretty minor speed bump. |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 6:06:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/5/2021 6:07:55 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So its a PQDR submission going up from SOATB to TACOM regarding a failure observed in only 3 of 115 guns. Hardly the SOCOM issued safety bulletin you made it seem like. I love all the negativity in this thread, as if there weren't advisories on all kinds of military equipment all the time. Some minor growing pains or a few lemon parts in a new system is a pretty minor speed bump. And this isn't something new. Sig has had that same basic striker configuration for as long as the 320 has been a thing. |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 6:55:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly though, would you have the same opinion if you heard about 3 striker related issues in a group of 115 Gen5 Glocks? And this isn't something new. Sig has had that same basic striker configuration for as long as the 320 has been a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So its a PQDR submission going up from SOATB to TACOM regarding a failure observed in only 3 of 115 guns. Hardly the SOCOM issued safety bulletin you made it seem like. I love all the negativity in this thread, as if there weren't advisories on all kinds of military equipment all the time. Some minor growing pains or a few lemon parts in a new system is a pretty minor speed bump. And this isn't something new. Sig has had that same basic striker configuration for as long as the 320 has been a thing. Considering Glock has been building striker pistols since the 80s, I would be surprised if this issue cropped up in a new Glock. This is something new. The P320 isn't new but there aren't a bunch of TACOM messages out about this issue. I won't hazard a guess on how many M17s or M18s are already in service but its easily in the 1000s. 3 out of a sample of 115 is something to keep an eye on, but 3 out of 1000s is a fluke. If the issue crops elsewhere and TACOM issues a warning then its something to be concerned about. |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 7:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering Glock has been building striker pistols since the 80s, I would be surprised if this issue cropped up in a new Glock. This is something new. The P320 isn't new but there aren't a bunch of TACOM messages out about this issue. I won't hazard a guess on how many M17s or M18s are already in service but its easily in the 1000s. 3 out of a sample of 115 is something to keep an eye on, but 3 out of 1000s is a fluke. If the issue crops elsewhere and TACOM issues a warning then its something to be concerned about. FYI, I believe Sig has reported that it's 200,000th M17 was delivered to the Army as of late last year. |
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Posted: 2/5/2021 7:30:30 PM EDT
[#50]
From Soldier Systems article:
What caused the malfunction? That’s still up in the air, but the actual pistol doesn’t seem to be the culprit. That leaves poor holster choice or operator error. Regardless, the article served its purpose, to disrupt pistol procurements. If not for DND, at least for LE Agencies in Canada.” Soldier Systems Article |
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