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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:24:57 PM EDT
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We shot these a lot when I was a kid growing up.
When I turned 18, I got a LEE press and started loading 45ACP After My dad passed, I drove 900 miles and got the Luger, now they are back together again. 
The holster and webgear are in poor shape, not sure what to do with them. ???? I store them in a tupperwear bid with a desicant pack 
 
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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:26:02 PM EDT
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[ tinfoil hat ] sadly, a leaf fell on the serial number, just as I took the pics, sorry google data mining, better luck next time [ / tinfoil hat ] 
IMGUR pics starting to load up . . . .more to follow https://i.imgur.com/OlfxBVl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2ejLi9h.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vIUuBV1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Er8jpSe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/APawUk2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/t64Wgvp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cGvWBFb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bw5YqhT.jpg . . . . . cracked original magazine https://i.imgur.com/XH9nSAW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6iYsp4Q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RA3ZnQu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/T0Kvb2y.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6tmYTKw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YluP2hd.jpg Drop Mic Moment... eye don't need to look up your serial number... JULY 13, 1914 - SHIPMENT OF 350 - TO BRIGADIER GENERAL THOMAS J. STEWART - HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA INSPECTOR WALTER G. PENFIELD b. 1872 "Memory that good?" Often... but in this case, memory not required, a rare phenomena in play, one involving a great deal of time, research and money. Seen below is the correct perpendicular barrel stamp for your pistol, an expensive part to add if chose to. If you have, say 15 US&S, you have 30 chances to obtain a consecutive serial number pistol. We have 2 pair of consecutive Service Pistols: a prime pair from 1918 and the only pair (also >90%) of consecutive 1924 Colts known, the Improved Model Of M1911A1 group of 10,000 by Walter T. Gorton, the last Service Pistols made until production resumed in 1937. Except for the 50 made in December 1911, except for some very early Fire Blued (bone, ash, ovens and artisans in ratios utterly impossible to duplicate today) and except for a very short list of some others, no matter what pistol you post, he posts or we see online, we own at least one above it and at least one below it... The Secret Weapon to Authentication research is having "correct" examples of the same vintage of production on hand to compare a newcomer to. "Well, that's all very beguiling, where is this all going?" This is the 1914 pistol eye first posted above in reference to matching your vintage. Relative to your IM, this pistol is from the same day of production, the same unusually small shipment and same Colt's shipping crate as your Grandfathers pistol, this serial number is 19 pistols below yours.   
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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:34:32 PM EDT
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I grew up shooting it, and the Luger with my Dad. I knew it would be mine someday, and wanted to master it. When I turned 18, I told my dad I was gonna customize it for IPSC, like wilson combat 
He said - "DON'T ! . . . YOUR GRANDFATHER DIDN'T NEED ALL THAT BULLSHIT TO KILL GERMANS, if you want a custom 1911, buy a new one and build it up " typical dumbshit 18 year old, like putting mag wheels on an old car.
Glad I listened. I have the belt and holster, and when the original mags cracked, I'd throw them away. the local army surplus store had cheap post WWII 1911 mags. I never knew they were valuable. Growing up, we just thought of it as an old 45, never imagined stuff like this was collectable. It doesn't matter, I will never sell it. I have two daughters, and no sons to pass it on to. I hope they marry good men, and give me grandsons someday. https://i.imgur.com/yRqYqyf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5syyqq2.jpg . . . I took my Dads advice, and saved up for a 1911. I started shooting IPSC, and customized this one started out as a USGI style park'd S.A. inc. Hallock did the sights, I checkered it, fit the magwell, trigger guts, and off to METALIFE. It was a great shooter. I could not afford a match barrel, so I'd buy $35 surplus barrels and have the hood and feet welded up, then fit them. https://i.imgur.com/EBbdNTk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lpJA4Hw.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks! WWII High Standard, the highest production barrel of WWII Completely acceptable for your pistol, many parts were changed, this one perhaps innocently changed prior to 1945. I knew it would be mine someday, and wanted to master it. When I turned 18, I told my dad I was gonna customize it for IPSC, like wilson combat
He said - "DON'T ! . . . YOUR GRANDFATHER DIDN'T NEED ALL THAT BULLSHIT TO KILL GERMANS, if you want a custom 1911, buy a new one and build it up " typical dumbshit 18 year old, like putting mag wheels on an old car.
Glad I listened. I have the belt and holster, and when the original mags cracked, I'd throw them away. the local army surplus store had cheap post WWII 1911 mags. I never knew they were valuable. Growing up, we just thought of it as an old 45, never imagined stuff like this was collectable. It doesn't matter, I will never sell it. I have two daughters, and no sons to pass it on to. I hope they marry good men, and give me grandsons someday. https://i.imgur.com/yRqYqyf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5syyqq2.jpg . . . I took my Dads advice, and saved up for a 1911. I started shooting IPSC, and customized this one started out as a USGI style park'd S.A. inc. Hallock did the sights, I checkered it, fit the magwell, trigger guts, and off to METALIFE. It was a great shooter. I could not afford a match barrel, so I'd buy $35 surplus barrels and have the hood and feet welded up, then fit them. https://i.imgur.com/EBbdNTk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lpJA4Hw.jpg Lookit that 1914 recoil spring plug punch! Better image there, the condition tells much better in this one! Here is your Colt's company history. As Karl Karash observed: "The Hun must have felt honored to be shot with such a pistol." 
(these are from the Gun Show Display signs we designed for my bro's sign company to fabricate. Eye had them laboriously vector all Service Pistol logos, inspector stamps and general data for production of a huge array of signs and banners, one 18 feet long with a real MOH, one of the 11 from Hayes kleckshun, as centerpiece. You may own/preserve MOH if only you are a licensed museum, and he is. Metal data plate for each WWI Pistol Stand and Company History  
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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:34:59 PM EDT
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Somewhere down in the dungeon I have a NOS unused HS barrel, was unwrapped but unmarked, no link installed. Looked, still have wrapped in an oily cloth. |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:35:54 PM EDT
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We shot these a lot when I was a kid growing up. When I turned 18, I got a LEE press and started loading 45ACP After My dad passed, I drove 900 miles and got the Luger, now they are back together again. https://i.imgur.com/yNNsbCK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RS4oFut.jpg The holster and webgear are in poor shape, not sure what to do with them. ???? I store them in a tupperwear bid with a desicant pack https://i.imgur.com/vfteiZr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UMBAeCv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6iYsp4Q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RA3ZnQu.jpg |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:41:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:50:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fantastic! Lookit that 1914 recoil spring plug punch! Better image there, the condition tells much better in this one! Here is your Colt's company history. As Karl Karash observed: "The Hun must have felt honored to be shot with such a pistol."
(these are from the Gun Show Display signs we designed for my bro's sign company to fabricate. Eye had them laboriously vector all Service Pistol logos, inspector stamps and general data for production of a huge array of signs and banners, one 18 feet long with a real MOH, one of the 11 from Hayes kleckshun, as centerpiece. You may own/preserve MOH if only you are a licensed museum, and he is. Metal data plate for each WWI Pistol Stand and Company History https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4MBCwSg/0/af9ed631/O/i-4MBCwSg.pnghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dxgKF45/0/48580e9a/X2/i-dxgKF45-X2.jpg I think I called or wrote Colt many years ago, and was told it was pre-WWI My Grandfather was from West Virginia, not too far from PA. The story My father told me was that the 1911 saved his ass, and he was very fond of it. I was told - He was giving first aide to a friend, head down, in a ditch or shell creator suddenly a German runs up to bayonet him, up comes the 1911 and with one round flattens the German soldier. Because it saved his ass, he wanted it kept in the family forever, handed down from generation to generation. possible made up bullshit that a father tells his young son, who knows. Neither My Father nor grandfather were known to tell porky pies ! 
here it is along with my 2nd 1911 match build, from about 20 years ago. 
after that, i made the jump to hicap 2011 limited goodness. 
. . . ARFCOM Loves to shit on the beloved 1911, but even after all these years, it's an excellent reliable design, with a suburb trigger and ergonomics . . |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 4:57:57 PM EDT
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Sublime! Resumption of Service Pistol production in 1937 as the clouds of War gather, only 2,347 produced, all still handmade with painstaking precision. The very first Colts to have matching slide and receiver numbers (under the firing pin stop), very low production and very scarce in this condition. These have my favorite pre-War magazine bases, COLT 45 AUTO with oval O, an unmistakable shape. When War began, no one in America was making magazines yet. These blued mags, also found on civilian pistols of the late 1930's, had their bases parkerized to dull the finish, our 1942 and early 1942 Waldemar S. Broberg Colts have such park'd baseplates. 
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Posted: 2/1/2020 5:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNotice we're still using the WWI and 1924 slide marking. One of the many cool things about the 1924 Colts Improved Model Of M1911A1 is they have all the features found on War Production from 1937 to 1945 (raised checkered MSH, fingAR cuts, round bottom slide release lever) but still say M1911 By 1938, slides will no longer be so marked, M1911A1 will begin and move to the right side of the receiver, only Replacement Slides will be marked in this fashion. |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 5:23:49 PM EDT
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That's awesome. I think I called or wrote Colt many years ago, and was told it was pre-WWI My Grandfather was from West Virginia, not too far from PA. The story My father told me was that the 1911 saved his ass, and he was very fond of it. I was told - He was giving first aide to a friend, head down, in a ditch or shell creator suddenly a German runs up to bayonet him, up comes the 1911 and with one round flattens the German soldier. Because it saved his ass, he wanted it kept in the family forever, handed down from generation to generation. possible made up bullshit that a father tells his young son, who knows. Neither My Father nor grandfather were known to tell porky pies ! https://i.imgur.com/zIBy8JP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2EuVtNY.jpg here it is along with my 2nd 1911 match build, from about 20 years ago. https://i.imgur.com/vkuAL3C.jpg after that, i made the jump to hicap 2011 limited goodness. https://i.imgur.com/nZlUb8B.jpg . . . ARFCOM Loves to shit on the beloved 1911, but even after all these years, it's an excellent reliable design, with a suburb trigger and ergonomics . . Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Fantastic! Lookit that 1914 recoil spring plug punch! Better image there, the condition tells much better in this one! Here is your Colt's company history. As Karl Karash observed: "The Hun must have felt honored to be shot with such a pistol."
(these are from the Gun Show Display signs we designed for my bro's sign company to fabricate. Eye had them laboriously vector all Service Pistol logos, inspector stamps and general data for production of a huge array of signs and banners, one 18 feet long with a real MOH, one of the 11 from Hayes kleckshun, as centerpiece. You may own/preserve MOH if only you are a licensed museum, and he is. Metal data plate for each WWI Pistol Stand and Company History https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4MBCwSg/0/af9ed631/O/i-4MBCwSg.pnghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dxgKF45/0/48580e9a/X2/i-dxgKF45-X2.jpg I think I called or wrote Colt many years ago, and was told it was pre-WWI My Grandfather was from West Virginia, not too far from PA. The story My father told me was that the 1911 saved his ass, and he was very fond of it. I was told - He was giving first aide to a friend, head down, in a ditch or shell creator suddenly a German runs up to bayonet him, up comes the 1911 and with one round flattens the German soldier. Because it saved his ass, he wanted it kept in the family forever, handed down from generation to generation. possible made up bullshit that a father tells his young son, who knows. Neither My Father nor grandfather were known to tell porky pies ! https://i.imgur.com/zIBy8JP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2EuVtNY.jpg here it is along with my 2nd 1911 match build, from about 20 years ago. https://i.imgur.com/vkuAL3C.jpg after that, i made the jump to hicap 2011 limited goodness. https://i.imgur.com/nZlUb8B.jpg . . . ARFCOM Loves to shit on the beloved 1911, but even after all these years, it's an excellent reliable design, with a suburb trigger and ergonomics . . One day, three pals n' me were in the War Room pondering my Israeli Arms 1911A1, a low cost value added pistol of short production window. We set out to count the companies that have made a 1911 or variant, quickly reached 65 of them, the actual number far higher. No weapon in the history of mankind has been so widely produced, emulated and copied. And sure, some are junk. Sure, some Service Pistols prove to have function issues. Inevitable with such high and varied production and the many variables of efficient operation. Have a RemIthaca (parts gun) so accurate, witnesses saw me hit a standing poster frame some 3' wide and 5' tall made of a 2" wide black aluminum frame. The outside perimeter of the black frame was 2" wide. At 30 yards, round after round hits the 2" frame. Then two dudes try it and hit the same 2" with most of their shots. After that, several beat my door down to buy that junker defying all accuracy logic. When myopic nerps drop turd on a topic with too many nuances to count, we pay it no mind. 55 Medal Of Honor Citations are a pedigree no one can approach, refute or degrade. The few times eye had call to post it, reverent silence followed. John Holbrook helped develop the Hydrogen Bomb loft bombing technique in the Navy in his A3D which he indicates stands for "All 3 Dead" as they have no ejection seats. When 6 years old in late 1930's Texas, he sat on his Grandfathers knee, a veteran of The Army Of Northern Virginia, a man who would not tolerate the mention of Sherman or Lincoln in his home. John served 1950-1970, flew off USS Midway, beast of a ship. Later during Swift Boat duty on a sandy river beach in South Vietnam in 1968, he was rushed by several NVA regulars with AK's. His buddy had no weapon. John killed them all with 7 rounds. It has not been fired since. Eye designed this sign for him, tears in his eyes on presenting to him at 100th Anniversary Gun Show display. He had said this to his wife when she broached the subject "guns or me" John also said "Don't ask me to choose" 
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Posted: 2/1/2020 5:27:27 PM EDT
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something to think about
Other things from the year 1911 So much has changed, and the 1911 is still a very popular handgun today. 
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Posted: 2/1/2020 5:35:33 PM EDT
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At the 100th Anniversary Display (Spring and Autumn shows), each civilian company needed items from their regular product line, Remington Rand had an NOS typewriter and electric shaver with original box, paperwork, operating directions and such.
All civilian manufacturers were involved in War Production from IBM to Rock-Ola Juke Box Company, items of Victory were built at round-the-clock assembly lines. We had a crew of 8 (two now deceased) for set-up and take-down of a 16 show tables display. The Union Switch & Signal section (a railway company) needed something cool. Can't bring a train in a building only 300 feet long... or can we? Frankie Four Fingers had an unopened vintage Lionel Train set. Eye wired a lighted drumhead to the motor, we set up a track around a bakers dozen Switch's and all weekend it did loops around the pistols it honored. It ran two miles that weekend. We were disgusted to discover, from those that regularly travel the country to all the big shows, no one had mounted a large display honoring the 100th. 
Later learned we broke the attendance record for the venue.  
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Posted: 2/1/2020 5:35:57 PM EDT
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1911 shoots down Japanese fighter plane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_J._Baggett . . Grasshopper vs. Fieseler Storch - WW2's Weirdest Dogfight  Grasshopper vs. Fieseler Storch - WW2's Weirdest Dogfight |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 5:52:05 PM EDT
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something to think about Other things from the year 1911 So much has changed, and the 1911 is still a very popular handgun today. https://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/images/autos2995.jpg http://www.wright-brothers.org/Information_Desk/Just_the_Facts/Airplanes/Wright_Airplane_images/Model%20EX/Vin-Fiz-takes-off-from-Sheepshead.jpg https://fortcollinsimages.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/telephone-exch-pm1911-color-b640.jpg?w=720 http://www.telephonearchive.com/phones/assets/we/we317p/we317p-wa-300.jpg https://www.txtransportationmuseum.org/photos/col-baldwin-1911/1911-baldwin-00.jpg  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aohXOpKtns0Man! Primitive era!! Gilbert H. Stewart - b. 1878 from the March 13, 1915 shipment of 1,904 Walter G. Penfield - b. 1872 from the November 6, 1912 shipment - this pistol was at Hickam Field, Oahu - December 7, 1941 Original owner, a Major in the USAAF in 1941 with his original Mills Eagle Snap (all discontinued in 1914) rimless snaps magazine pouch, rimed snaps belt, 3 Colt Keyhole (or "Punch And Sawcut" magazines, designed to avoid the shoulder cracks seen on your Grandfathers magazine but quickly discontinued in favor of better heat treating) and its 1912 holster. (seen here with darkened ISO setting to accentuate finish contrast, not an accurate finish or color depiction) A pistol that felt the repeated concussion of Japanese carrier based bombs... 
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Posted: 2/1/2020 5:52:25 PM EDT
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1911 shoots down Japanese fighter plane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_J._Baggett . . Grasshopper vs. Fieseler Storch - WW2's Weirdest Dogfight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAf0maieLjs |
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Posted: 2/1/2020 9:25:02 PM EDT
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this thread is amazing
I’ve never heard of keyhole magazines 
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Posted: 2/1/2020 9:31:09 PM EDT
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I picked this up a while ago just to go with my USGI 1911's and their ordinance mark. It's about the size of a standard dinner plate.
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Posted: 2/1/2020 11:00:54 PM EDT
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Great stuff!!!! Keep 'em coming!!!!
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Posted: 2/2/2020 2:44:37 PM EDT
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this thread is amazing I’ve never heard of keyhole magazines This is the Type 1 Colt Magazine, immediately distinguished by its exposed base plate, all later magazines have their sides covering the base. These were quickly changed, few remain. If you have a pistol this magazine belongs to, you have a very expensive pistol. The first one eye bought without a pistol attached to it was around $400. The last one eye saw sell in 2018 was $2,500, have increased since then. But then US&S, my primary WWII Service Pistol interest, have quintupled in prime condition since the first few we obtained. Most of them did not return from the ETO, they were most often issued to the USAAF, many lost over Germany and the Axis conquest countries.  
The Colt Keyhole, or Punch & Sawcut magazine was Colts answer to the typical shoulder cracks he posted earlier. It was felt the relief of stress at the top would slow failure rates. But no, Keyhole mags were only made in 1912. It was better heat treating that proved to be the answer. Seen here in detail, the relief hole added a step and increased production time. If you have a 1913 Colt, this magazine was not shipped when new, the pistol they belong to are expensive. But remember, only 50 M1911 were actually made in 1911 and all in December.
Heat treating very is evident on this mint Springfield Armory folded base magazine from 1915. These were made with/without lanyard loops, have 2 without, far rarer but somehow not coveted by the average kleckter. 
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Posted: 2/2/2020 2:55:39 PM EDT
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Very interesting
When I learned how to field strip the old GI mags, I tried with with these old WWI mags. I found yellow dried mud inside, and wondered if it was from the European Theater
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Posted: 2/2/2020 2:56:07 PM EDT
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I picked this up a while ago just to go with my USGI 1911's and their ordinance mark. It's about the size of a standard dinner plate. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32224/IMG_2304_JPG-1259210.JPG Very Cool! This ordnance escutcheon is found throughout WWII from knives to mounts to artillery to padlocks. Along with the great Arsenal Bomb and all its forms (including the 2 very choice Bombs stamped under the firing pin stop on Waldemar S. Broberg Colts in late 1941/early 1942), these two symbols are the most often repeating United States War Production marks. The book at left tells the story of our National Arsenal WWI Springfield Armory pistols were made by our Arsenal, is NOT the SA of modern pistol production. Because the War Department Does What Its Wants, no SA pistol built from 1915 to 1917 had an Ordnance Inspector stamp (Arsenal Bomb on slide rear and receiver by magazine release button) or a 1913 "Last Patent" date on the slide, even though all SA were made during/after 1915...  
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Posted: 2/2/2020 2:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very interesting When I learned how to field strip the old GI mags, I tried with with these old WWI mags. I found yellow dried mud inside, and wondered if it was from the European Theater |
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Posted: 2/2/2020 3:45:45 PM EDT
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I picked this up a while ago just to go with my USGI 1911's and their ordinance mark. It's about the size of a standard dinner plate. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32224/IMG_2304_JPG-1259210.JPG Many examples readily found throughout the entire spectrum of Military issue: Arsenal Bomb Among hundreds of others items, are found on Service Pistols both Wars - Springfield Armory M1911 receiver and slide rather than Ordnance Inspector stamp, plus our Eagle on right side of slide 1941/1942 Colts M1911A1 under firing pin stop in 2 fonts/shapes (taken no photos of them yet, have both fonts) Ford M8 Armored Car     
Ordnance Escutcheon M63 BMG AA Mount 250rd .30 Ammo Can - Coax Mount - Tank M1 "Bright Bolt" Thompson (GEG - George E. Goll & RLB - Roy L. Bowlen stamps) Yale Ammunition Ordnance Padlocks for Armored Car/Halftrack - obtained from several states, 5 of 6 are keyed the same) Rock Island Arsenal M1917A1 .30 Water Cooled Machine Gun White M3A1 Armored Car (one of very few with its original data plate) 
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Posted: 2/2/2020 3:58:14 PM EDT
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I picked this up a while ago just to go with my USGI 1911's and their ordinance mark. It's about the size of a standard dinner plate. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32224/IMG_2304_JPG-1259210.JPG Added here due to site failure to correctly post these images Arsenal Bomb M1 "Bright Bolt" Thompson SMG - GEG is George E. Goll, RLB is Roy L. Bowlen 
Ordnance Escutcheon Remington Rand M1911A1 Yale Ammunition Padlocks with Original Keys- Armored Cars/Halftracks - 6 from different states, 5 keyed alike due to War Department Directive  
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:24:28 PM EDT
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 Attached File Attached File Attached FileReplica of a pistol I was issued in the 90s-GWOT. Top pictures are with sweetheart grips my wife made me. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:32:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:35:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:38:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2020 5:35:43 PM EDT
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Joe, I really like your modernish clone builds off of GI receivers. I find the armorer built 1911s used in service to be fascinating, and just really cool. Everybody knows about the m45, I love seeing some of the lesser known versions used by other units.
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