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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:49:18 PM EDT
I have only one, an RIA rebuild, Remington Rand (both frame and slide) from 1944.  Rebuild was likely Post War, of course.  DAMN good shooter.  I re-sprung everything critical.  Old springs are saved, of course!



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Norinco 1911 GI


The whole Norinco collection

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I know the pic sucks , but it's a Remington Rand made in 44 shoots very nice .
Link Posted: 1/26/2020 11:40:59 PM EDT
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mine is too pretty and new to post
Link Posted: 1/27/2020 12:21:06 AM EDT
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I've only got one that hasn't been modified, a WWI 1911 seen here sandwiched between an Inglis Hi Power and a French MAB P-15.

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I've also got two customized property-marked guns, a 1911 and an A1.
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I know the pic sucks , but it's a Remington Rand made in 44 shoots very nice .
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Mine's a really good shooter, too.

Lots of good old guns here.  Keep 'em coming.
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 11:19:24 PM EDT
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I got this one for my dad last Christmas
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 11:26:04 PM EDT
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1945 Remington Rand.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:13:08 AM EDT
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CMP Service Grade



RR Frame 1944
RR Slide Type 3
Post-War Barrel 1985

SA (Springfield) stamp on right side
AA (Augusta) stamp on left side
No year of rebuild markings.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 3:16:12 PM EDT
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Closest thing I have to a GI 1911.

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Another Remington Rand.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 7:05:26 PM EDT
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@wwiiwmd - Pick up the white courtesy phone...
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Dawnkee Shorn Zed!
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 9:36:43 PM EDT
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1911 from 1917.
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Another Remington Rand.
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1944 Colt.
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 9:53:21 PM EDT
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My grandfather Carried this 1911 in World War One.



It saved his ass.

He died when I was a baby, I wish I got to know him.

He gave it to his son in law, my father, telling him to give it to me on my 18th birthday.

...and that every son, down each generation would get it on his 18th birthday.

I grew up shooting it with my dad.  I wanted to master it.

He also brought home a Luger, that I didn't get until my father passed.

now they are together again.







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Much Awesome Sauce in here!!!!!!

Puts a smile on my heart, all these gorgeous guns!!!!!

How do you guys' guns run?  My 44 RR is a beast!!!! Accurate, too!!!!!  
Link Posted: 1/30/2020 11:00:31 PM EDT
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CMP gun

1918 Colt, WW2 rework
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Love me some Railroad Pistol!

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Great color 16mm color film short on UToob of these in production, WOW's (Woman Ordnance Workers, comprised 95% of US&S factory employees) stamping receivers, test firing, etc.

The only WWII pistols with blued triggers, with machining rings on barrel bushings and

only WWII service pistol to receive War Department commendation for "fit, finish and interchangeability..."


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And... ringy

so unique they're faking them... but not good enough...


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My grandfather Carried this 1911 in World War One.



It saved his ass.

He died when I was a baby, I wish I got to know him.

He gave it to his son in law, my father, telling him to give it to me on my 18th birthday.

...and that every son, down each generation would get it on his 18th birthday.

I grew up shooting it with my dad.  I wanted to master it.

He also brought home a Luger, that I didn't get until my father passed.

now they are together again.

https://i.imgur.com/zIBy8JP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NeUpcLW.jpg

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that is grand
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My grandfather Carried this 1911 in World War One.



It saved his ass.

He died when I was a baby, I wish I got to know him.

He gave it to his son in law, my father, telling him to give it to me on my 18th birthday.

...and that every son, down each generation would get it on his 18th birthday.

I grew up shooting it with my dad.  I wanted to master it.

He also brought home a Luger, that I didn't get until my father passed.

now they are together again.

https://i.imgur.com/zIBy8JP.jpg

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Superb!

Did he live to a ripe old age?

What character, what story it speaks!

The hammer, serifs and position of the rampant Colt suggests WGP stamp? Is it?
Or is it GHS?
Link Posted: 2/1/2020 1:41:19 PM EDT
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When you relic custodians examine your Service Pistols, please feel free to post questions.

These are the most documented legends of battle ever made by man.

The Reason? (as said before). In an era when the telephone, typewriter, basic automobile and icebox were crude items of the Industrial Revolution,
the 5 Patent Date M1911 was instantly recognized as the Landmark Handmade Work Of Art we know today.

We know the ancestors, patented mechanics, development history, competition, metallurgy, acceptance testing, War Department adoption, production, quantities, shipping destinations, parts changes, stocks changes, assembler stamps, inspector stamps and destinations of most of them.

At the Proving Grounds in 1911, this model renowned by many today for a periodic misfire, fired 10,000 rounds without error.

We know they are the United States Armed Forces weapon mentioned in 55 Medal Of Honor Citations, far more than any other... let that sink in... 55

Many of the stamps are known men born circa 1870 to 1885.

H = Frank Hosmer

Q = P.M. Quinlan

Unknown Assembler 2

At bottom, round-top rear sight instantly identifying a very early 1912 pistol, Hosmer Hits Twice


Link Posted: 2/1/2020 1:46:42 PM EDT
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Nearly perfect RR with my Mauser P08
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What character, what story it speaks!

The hammer, serifs and position of the rampant Colt suggests WGP stamp? Is it?
Or is it GHS?
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He lived a long life

Both my mother and father spoke very highly of him.

Is this stamp you are looking for ?
Link Posted: 2/1/2020 1:51:26 PM EDT
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Found in a barn wall after 60 years,
soaked in a bucket of solvent for a month,
a softhead mallet breaking free the slide,
it was found to cycle and shoot just fine

The ugliest Union Switch & Signal known to operate, the company logo obvious on the other side.

At the 100th Anniversary Display show year (2011) when John stayed with me, one of our Garand's had its Holbrook Device (a hold-open invention of John's) installed by the inventor where it stays to this day. On the Saturday of the Really Big Shew, Hayes and eye thought we had our fun with John Holbrook's Ugly Switch.
He's turned down countless offers to purchase this relic at "staggering" prices.
Hayes and John had concocted an OP whereby when the "bidding war" reached $4000, John would say "yes". We had a good laugh.

But both of us were ready with Rule 2


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He lived a long life

Both my mother and father spoke very highly of him.

Is this stamp you are looking for ?
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Superb!

Did he live to a ripe old age?

What character, what story it speaks!

The hammer, serifs and position of the rampant Colt suggests WGP stamp? Is it?
Or is it GHS?
@WWIIWMD

He lived a long life

Both my mother and father spoke very highly of him.

Is this stamp you are looking for ?
https://i.imgur.com/g90JzQw.jpg
Thanks kindly!

Colonel Walter G. Penfield, born 1878

first Ordnance Inspector on Colt's production s/n 1 to s/n 110000, and it once looked like this


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He lived a long life

Both my mother and father spoke very highly of him.

Is this stamp you are looking for ?
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Did he live to a ripe old age?

What character, what story it speaks!

The hammer, serifs and position of the rampant Colt suggests WGP stamp? Is it?
Or is it GHS?
@WWIIWMD

He lived a long life

Both my mother and father spoke very highly of him.

Is this stamp you are looking for ?
https://i.imgur.com/g90JzQw.jpg
Because of your pistol's year of production, it may correctly use a lanyard loop magazine which were discontinued from issue with new pistols in 1914

Of course, LL mags were found in service pistols all the way through VJ Day
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He lived a long life

Both my mother and father spoke very highly of him.

Is this stamp you are looking for ?
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Superb!

Did he live to a ripe old age?

What character, what story it speaks!

The hammer, serifs and position of the rampant Colt suggests WGP stamp? Is it?
Or is it GHS?
@WWIIWMD

He lived a long life

Both my mother and father spoke very highly of him.

Is this stamp you are looking for ?
https://i.imgur.com/g90JzQw.jpg
You might enjoy two training devices used by our War Department

Department Of The Navy colored movable transparency with "bullets" in its aluminum hard case for USMC training

and one of few surviving Cutaway relics, no two are alike


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Colonel Walter G. Penfield, born 1878

first Ordnance Inspector on Colt's production s/n 1 to s/n 110000, and it once looked like this


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What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
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What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
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Colonel Walter G. Penfield, born 1878

first Ordnance Inspector on Colt's production s/n 1 to s/n 110000, and it once looked like this


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ns9QWXt/0/5cf51520/X3/i-ns9QWXt-X3.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kqCrTJ7/0/379566ca/X2/i-kqCrTJ7-X2.jpg
@WWIIWMD

What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
The hammer pic? No stamps, its the "short wide spade" Colt hammer of your era.

On M1911 of your era, an IM of your serial number sent here gets you its shipping date, quantity in shipment and destination of shipment.

For your pistol, there is a number underneath the barrel.
Am interested in the stamp on barrel top which can be seen through the ejection port without disassembly and on top rear of barrel hood
Ordnance Inspector (WGP)
Assemblers stamps by the disconnector at top rear of receiver
Numeral on slide interior and/or other stamp

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What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
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Thanks kindly!

Colonel Walter G. Penfield, born 1878

first Ordnance Inspector on Colt's production s/n 1 to s/n 110000, and it once looked like this


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ns9QWXt/0/5cf51520/X3/i-ns9QWXt-X3.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kqCrTJ7/0/379566ca/X2/i-kqCrTJ7-X2.jpg
@WWIIWMD

What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
If yours is a WWI barrel, on the barrel top (excuse this photo) there will be a P H or H P stamp, either read parallel with bullet flight path or read perpendicular with bullet flight path. Remember, many parts were changed by Armorers, soldiers and early civilian owners without ill intent. Another challenge of deciphering parts.

One of our Thompsons is a Late War M1A1... when a close friend examined it, he was astonished- "How did you find a matching M1A1! None of these match!!" Because when cleaned, uppers were pulled out of the solvent bucket without regard to the lower and reassembled. They are so rare, didn't even bother to ask my good friend (one of the largest NFA dealers) if it matched when bought it from him back east.

Such is the case with many old pistols and fully explains why eye would go 18 months at a stretch passing on say, 12 to 20 different US&S listed on various sites. For 10 years, eye purchased every "correct" Switch offered online in the US but for each one obtained, 10 were passed over due to "problems" with this or that issue.

A basic mint WWI barrel of varying year of production can fetch $800 or more with little trouble. A first pattern barrel can exceed the cost of many pistols.

The problems with adding parts not original to the pistol are the destruction of "as found", wrecking originality, failure to match wear patterns, mismatched condition and resulting inauthentic weapon.

We don't swap parts: while acceptable in a few instances, parts changes, obliteration of UNITED STATES PROPERTY and refinishes were innocently done in decades past, some creating the occasional confounding unknowns in the Authentication process.



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That top pic looks like it started life as a Colt Commercial before entering service. Super cool, I am jelly.
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What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
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Colonel Walter G. Penfield, born 1878

first Ordnance Inspector on Colt's production s/n 1 to s/n 110000, and it once looked like this


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ns9QWXt/0/5cf51520/X3/i-ns9QWXt-X3.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kqCrTJ7/0/379566ca/X2/i-kqCrTJ7-X2.jpg
@WWIIWMD

What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek

Here are the two aspects, whorizontal and vertical of the P H and H P stamps, H is for Hosmer, P is for Proof

Each WWII pistol was fired 21 times at the factory or 3 mags of 7 rounds in rapid fire.
There is color 16mm film of this being done at the US&S factory in Swissvale.

Each WWI pistol was fired once with a high pressure Proof round


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If yours is a WWI barrel, on the barrel top (excuse this photo) there will be a P H or H P stamp, either read parallel with bullet flight path or read perpendicular with bullet flight path. Remember, many parts were changed by Armorers, soldiers and early civilian owners without ill intent. Another challenge of deciphering parts.

One of our Thompsons is a Late War M1A1... when a close friend examined it, he was astonished- "How did you find a matching M1A1! None of these match!!" Because when cleaned, uppers were pulled out of the solvent bucket without regard to the lower and reassembled. They are so rare, didn't even bother to ask my good friend (one of the largest NFA dealers) if it matched when bought it from him back east.

Such is the case with many old pistols and fully explains why eye would go 18 months at a stretch passing on say, 12 to 20 different US&S listed on various sites. For 10 years, eye purchased every "correct" Switch offered online in the US but for each one obtained, 10 were passed over due to "problems" with this or that issue.

A basic mint WWI barrel of varying year of production can fetch $800 or more with little trouble. A first pattern barrel can exceed the cost of many pistols.

The problems with adding parts not original to the pistol are the destruction of "as found", wrecking originality, failure to match wear patterns, mismatched condition and resulting inauthentic weapon.

We don't swap parts: while acceptable in a few instances, parts changes, obliteration of UNITED STATES PROPERTY and refinishes were innocently done in decades past, some creating the occasional confounding unknowns in the Authentication process.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vJ5PPpp/0/a54f3a69/O/i-vJ5PPpp.jpg

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Thanks kindly!

Colonel Walter G. Penfield, born 1878

first Ordnance Inspector on Colt's production s/n 1 to s/n 110000, and it once looked like this


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ns9QWXt/0/5cf51520/X3/i-ns9QWXt-X3.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kqCrTJ7/0/379566ca/X2/i-kqCrTJ7-X2.jpg
@WWIIWMD

What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
If yours is a WWI barrel, on the barrel top (excuse this photo) there will be a P H or H P stamp, either read parallel with bullet flight path or read perpendicular with bullet flight path. Remember, many parts were changed by Armorers, soldiers and early civilian owners without ill intent. Another challenge of deciphering parts.

One of our Thompsons is a Late War M1A1... when a close friend examined it, he was astonished- "How did you find a matching M1A1! None of these match!!" Because when cleaned, uppers were pulled out of the solvent bucket without regard to the lower and reassembled. They are so rare, didn't even bother to ask my good friend (one of the largest NFA dealers) if it matched when bought it from him back east.

Such is the case with many old pistols and fully explains why eye would go 18 months at a stretch passing on say, 12 to 20 different US&S listed on various sites. For 10 years, eye purchased every "correct" Switch offered online in the US but for each one obtained, 10 were passed over due to "problems" with this or that issue.

A basic mint WWI barrel of varying year of production can fetch $800 or more with little trouble. A first pattern barrel can exceed the cost of many pistols.

The problems with adding parts not original to the pistol are the destruction of "as found", wrecking originality, failure to match wear patterns, mismatched condition and resulting inauthentic weapon.

We don't swap parts: while acceptable in a few instances, parts changes, obliteration of UNITED STATES PROPERTY and refinishes were innocently done in decades past, some creating the occasional confounding unknowns in the Authentication process.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vJ5PPpp/0/a54f3a69/O/i-vJ5PPpp.jpg

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Barrels can go for WAY more then $800.00.

Several years ago I sold a horizontal H 1911 barrel in very nice shape for very close to 3K. The buyer was happy as hell. I likely could have sold it for more but he had a 1911 that needed that barrel and wasn't a flipper. I bought the barrel and a bunch of other parts for $50.00 years before. Barrel looked trashed but after an hour or two of scrubbing, the rifling was in exceptionally nice shape and there was no frosting.
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@WWIIWMD

IM sent on s/n

I posted pics of this 1911 several years ago on another forum.

somebody asked about the barrel, and when I sent pics, he said it was not the original.

The next day, I was driving to a USPSA match, and called my father.

He was old, and could not remember.

He said he earned an expert ribbon at Cherry Point with this gun, and had the unit armorer look it over.

He said he thinks he replaced the springs, and maybe the pitted  barrel, but wasn't sure anymore.

this was the last conversation I had with him.

a few weeks later, he ran a stop sign, and got hit by a delivery truck.

I spoke with the trooper who wrote the report and he said it was instant.

currently uploading 24 pics to IMGUR, I think I locked it up.

tempted to start an new thread on this, instead of hijacking this one, what do you guys think ????

I'll try to post some directly from my iphone, BRB
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Nah, feel free to keep it going here.  I certainly don't mind.
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[ tinfoil hat ] sadly, a leaf fell on the serial number, just as I took the pics, sorry google data mining, better luck next time  [ / tinfoil hat  ]

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Colt, 1918
Remington Rand, 1945
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Barrels can go for WAY more then $800.00.

Several years ago I sold a horizontal H 1911 barrel in very nice shape for very close to 3K. The buyer was happy as hell. I likely could have sold it for more but he had a 1911 that needed that barrel and wasn't a flipper. I bought the barrel and a bunch of other parts for $50.00 years before. Barrel looked trashed but after an hour or two of scrubbing, the rifling was in exceptionally nice shape and there was no frosting.
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Colonel Walter G. Penfield, born 1878

first Ordnance Inspector on Colt's production s/n 1 to s/n 110000, and it once looked like this


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ns9QWXt/0/5cf51520/X3/i-ns9QWXt-X3.jpghttps://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kqCrTJ7/0/379566ca/X2/i-kqCrTJ7-X2.jpg
@WWIIWMD

What should I be looking for in the 2nd photo ?

I'm going to take some new pics, are there any other markings or stamps I should post ?

Thanks

Derek
If yours is a WWI barrel, on the barrel top (excuse this photo) there will be a P H or H P stamp, either read parallel with bullet flight path or read perpendicular with bullet flight path. Remember, many parts were changed by Armorers, soldiers and early civilian owners without ill intent. Another challenge of deciphering parts.

One of our Thompsons is a Late War M1A1... when a close friend examined it, he was astonished- "How did you find a matching M1A1! None of these match!!" Because when cleaned, uppers were pulled out of the solvent bucket without regard to the lower and reassembled. They are so rare, didn't even bother to ask my good friend (one of the largest NFA dealers) if it matched when bought it from him back east.

Such is the case with many old pistols and fully explains why eye would go 18 months at a stretch passing on say, 12 to 20 different US&S listed on various sites. For 10 years, eye purchased every "correct" Switch offered online in the US but for each one obtained, 10 were passed over due to "problems" with this or that issue.

A basic mint WWI barrel of varying year of production can fetch $800 or more with little trouble. A first pattern barrel can exceed the cost of many pistols.

The problems with adding parts not original to the pistol are the destruction of "as found", wrecking originality, failure to match wear patterns, mismatched condition and resulting inauthentic weapon.

We don't swap parts: while acceptable in a few instances, parts changes, obliteration of UNITED STATES PROPERTY and refinishes were innocently done in decades past, some creating the occasional confounding unknowns in the Authentication process.

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Barrels can go for WAY more then $800.00.

Several years ago I sold a horizontal H 1911 barrel in very nice shape for very close to 3K. The buyer was happy as hell. I likely could have sold it for more but he had a 1911 that needed that barrel and wasn't a flipper. I bought the barrel and a bunch of other parts for $50.00 years before. Barrel looked trashed but after an hour or two of scrubbing, the rifling was in exceptionally nice shape and there was no frosting.
That sure cleaned up nice!

Barrels of that vintage can, their production ending in early 1912.
A certain Captain Of Industry owns US NAVY No. 501, 502, 502, the first 3 NAVY Colt's ever made. They are all 98%+. A man like him with unlimited capital sets his own market but to his credit, is preserving them for future generations.

So... you have a primo fire blued 1912 worth $80,000 or more: what would you pay for its 1 missing part? True, wear patterns will not match, but your pistol is missing a vital original and very, very scarce part.

Exposed base magazines belonging to your barrel vintage too are over $2,500 and climbing. The last one eye bought without a pistol around it was $1,000.

You wont be a bit surprised to hear of the maddening magazine release screw, the first pattern "contact lens" type without a screwdriver notch, occasionally hellish to remove, one sold for $1,000 many years ago to a fellow lacking only this part for his relic. This one on my earliest NAVY with no parts to find.



The average worn but nice "abundant" WWI barrel still hovers under a thousand depending on variables.
The astounding thing are prices for very crisp WWII High Standard barrels surpassing $500...

For several years before one of the price surges, we bought a dozen NOS HS barrel found in green and brown wax wrappers, they ranged from $80 to $110.
Now, NOS HS barrels from WWII would fetch previously unimaginable prices. But we do not sell, only monitor change.

After pal Hayes and eye spent two days discussing history while touring his World Class kleckshun (largely 1760-1945 with emphasis on The War Of Northern Aggression), not one value had been discussed. He made his millions in mail order surplus and had no walk-in traffic. He told of a friend that had brought his friend to Hayes' shops. The dude had walked from item to item repeatedly blurting out- "What's that worth? What's that worth?"
Hayes walked over unobserved to a long bank of light switches, turned them all off and proclaimed- "Uh oh, powers out, gotta close, goodbye sir!"

We looked at each other and agreed- "We don't care what its worth, only what it cost."

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Thanks! WWII High Standard, the highest production barrel of WWII

Completely acceptable for your pistol, many parts were changed, this one perhaps innocently changed prior to 1945.
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I grew up shooting it, and the Luger with my Dad.

I knew it would be mine someday, and wanted to master it.

When I turned 18, I told my dad I was gonna customize it for IPSC, like wilson combat

He said - "DON'T ! . . . YOUR GRANDFATHER DIDN'T NEED ALL THAT BULLSHIT TO KILL GERMANS,  if you want a custom 1911, buy a new one and build it up "

typical dumbshit 18 year old, like putting mag wheels on an old car.

Glad I listened.

I have the belt and holster, and when the original mags cracked, I'd throw them away.
the local army surplus store had cheap post WWII 1911 mags.

I never knew they were valuable.

Growing up, we just thought of it as an old 45, never imagined stuff like this was collectable.

It doesn't matter, I will never sell it.

I have two daughters, and no sons to pass it on to.  I hope they marry good men, and give me grandsons someday.




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I took my Dads advice, and saved up for a 1911. I started shooting IPSC, and customized this one

started out as a USGI style park'd S.A. inc.

Hallock did the sights, I checkered it, fit the magwell, trigger guts, and off to METALIFE.
It was a great shooter.

I could not afford a match barrel, so I'd buy $35 surplus barrels and have the hood and feet welded up, then fit them.



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Somewhere down in the dungeon I have a NOS unused HS barrel, was unwrapped but unmarked, no link installed. Looked, still have wrapped in an oily cloth.
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