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Posted: 11/9/2017 1:53:13 PM EDT
Took my new P-10C to the range today and it would not cycle any of my reloads, not even one. I had some about 25 rds of HST that I ran through it fine. First thing that comes to mind is my reloads are too light, but this is the same recipe that I have ran through all my 9mm and my friends 9mm with no issues to date. Could it be that the recoil spring in the gun is too tight? Most of the time it didn't even move the slide at all and the other times it was a FTE. Your thoughts?
Recipe used: 115gr X-Treme plated CFE Pistol - 5.0gr WSP primer COL - 1.130 
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Posted: 11/9/2017 11:24:37 PM EDT
[#1]
The first time I shot mine was with my mouse fart 3 gun reloads. 2.8 grains of Titegroup with a Acme 147 grain bullet. It cycled all that I put through it ,maybe 100 rounds. I did have 2 or 3 mags that didn't lock on the last round though.
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Posted: 11/9/2017 11:39:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Put 500 rounds of ammo through it, then try your reloads.
I am going with your reloads are just real lite, and you may need to come up with a beefier load. |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 11:45:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Try a lighter P-07 spring. My 160 and 165gr reloads going about 780-800fps cycle just fine.
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Posted: 11/9/2017 11:48:51 PM EDT
[#4]
More powder or lighter spring or some combination of the two.
Part of reloading is working out a load that works tits in your gun. Now you know yours doesn't and you need to adapt your recipe. 
Might try 5.3 to 5.5 grs for a 115 grs bullet. |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 12:44:46 AM EDT
[#5]
Don't forget to plunk test your reloads. You need to know the max OAL for that barrel.
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Posted: 11/10/2017 9:53:14 AM EDT
[#6]
I love this gun but what bothers me is that between me and friends, over 15 or so guns have shot my reloads with not one single issue. If this gun will not cycle them, then I think I will have to let the gun go. I've have over 2K rounds and I really don't like the idea of making a separate recipe for this gun. I did make 10rds each of 5.3gr and 5.5 last night to test just to verify its the load/spring. Plan on testing today.
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Posted: 11/10/2017 3:50:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Tested those new loads today. 10 rds of each.
All with 115gr X-Treme plated bullet, COL 1.130, CFE Pistol powder 5.3gr - just one FTE. 5.5gr - no malfunctions. I love the feel of this gun but don't care for the idea of having different loads for my 9mm handguns..... I know, I'm weird. For some reason I just can't trust this gun as a carry gun. |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 11:56:57 PM EDT
[#8]
Just put in a lighter recoil spring
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Posted: 11/11/2017 1:03:18 AM EDT
[#9]
Sorry I don't have the funds, or I would buy it from you. Mine has run like a top with light and heavy loads, jacketed and cast, very sorry to hear that. Would you be open to trying a lighter recoil spring, or you just want to get rid of it?
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Posted: 11/11/2017 12:30:44 PM EDT
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Would you be open to trying a lighter recoil spring, or you just want to get rid of it? |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 1:29:27 PM EDT
[#11]
1.13" COAL may be too long. Have you checked that? My CZ 75 PCR will not chamber certain bullets loaded over about 1.10". This is pretty common in CZ75s. Not sure it would cause your problem, though and my P09 seems much more tolerant of longer COAL.
You may also want to work your loads up a little hotter if you think you can do so safely. CZs are notorious for being oversprung. 5.0gr CFE iis also a very light load. Hogdon lists the start load with a 115gr LRN as 4.9gr, max 5.4. Start load with 115gr Gold Dot 5.3gr, max 5.9gr. Hogdon also lists a start load of 4.9gr CFE for BERB HBRN TP (had to look that one up, Berry's 124gr hollow base round nose - thick plated - interesting). |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 1:59:39 PM EDT
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Don't forget to plunk test your reloads. You need to know the max OAL for that barrel. My P-07 has a REALLY short leade i bave to load OAL shorter in my CZ . |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 2:02:39 PM EDT
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+1 My P-07 has a REALLY short leade i bave to load OAL shorter in my CZ . |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 2:49:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Didn't see you already had success with warmer loads. As mentioned, you can try a lighter recoil spring. CZs tend to be oversprung anyways. Cajun Gunworks sells replacement guide rods and springs of various weights.
You may also check for burs or other deformities anywhere the slide contacts the frame. ETA: You may also want to examine the extractor while you're at it. My P09 would FTE once it started to get the slightest bit dirty. Eventually removed the extractor and found it was very rough and had significantly raised surfaces where it pivots inside the slide. It was causing enough resistance to prevent proper ejection. Problem was cured when I polished the surface. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:42:04 PM EDT
[#15]
Here is the gun test that they appear to have had the same problem as I did. Scroll down to the "shooting results" chart and read below that.
Gun Test |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:24:13 PM EDT
[#16]
Let me save you a load of trouble, order a p-07 9mm recoil spring assembly. Your reloads should now function fine
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Posted: 11/12/2017 2:07:15 AM EDT
[#17]
This man would know. ^^^^
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Posted: 11/12/2017 3:24:58 PM EDT
[#18]
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Let me save you a load of trouble, order a p-07 9mm recoil spring assembly. Your reloads should now function fine Recoil spring |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 5:14:33 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryExactly
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Posted: 11/12/2017 9:27:46 PM EDT
[#20]
Today I was able to shoot a little more. I bought some Federal 115gr RN factory ammo to try it out. We shot 75rds of this ammo with about 7 failure to ejects and 3 or so stove pipes and twice it fired but didn't cycle the slide at all. Better than with my reloads but still not right. Waiting to hear back from CZ, but now thinking of calling it quits.
Here's the ammo I used... 
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Posted: 11/14/2017 1:17:02 AM EDT
[#21]
Nope, that should have worked - send her back.
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Posted: 11/15/2017 10:29:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Have you tried any hotter ammo? 125 or 147 gr? Federal probably overrates their velocity.
My brother's P10C feeds my homeloads which I load light. 165gr with 2.8g or titegroup. Cycles fine. These are my suppressor loads. For garbage ammo I have Winchester 124gr fmj in the white box and it feeds and cycles fine. I stopped using their 115gr garbage when it would hiccup my 20 year old Glock 19 that normally shoots everything |
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Posted: 11/16/2017 7:06:31 PM EDT
[#23]
So I have to give it to CZ customer service. I sent them an email and received two replies. Before I could respond to the email, my phone rang. It was the CZ rep that I bought my gun from. We talked for a little and now the gun is at CZ. They will run it through the wringer with several brands of ammo and do whatever it takes to make sure its good to go. I was about to just give up and sell the gun but after shooting it, when it functioned good, it has to be one of the best shooting guns I've shot. Thanks to all for the advice and comments. I'll keep you posted. I also plan on changing my recipe on my 9mm reloads.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 5:07:56 AM EDT
[#24]
That's great, and another kudos to CZ for fast service.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 2:31:47 PM EDT
[#25]
Great to hear, I've had nothing but great experience with my dealings with CZ customer support. Keep us posted OP.
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Posted: 11/29/2017 12:52:01 AM EDT
[#26]
The factory recoil spring for the cz p10c is 20 lbs. CGW makes a 15 lb spring which can be used with their stainless steel guide rod. Works very well with competition loads.
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Posted: 12/2/2017 2:53:29 PM EDT
[#27]
It's on the way back to me. The email stated that the work performed was "Adjusted breech face lead in, extractor."
Hope it works out! |
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Posted: 12/10/2017 7:48:49 PM EDT
[#28]
Today I was able to function test some rounds since I got the gun back from CZ.
First off as a control was 10rds of factory Federal 115gr fmj. Zero failures. 2nd was 5rds of my old recipe of 5.0gr just to be curious. 100% failure again...no surprise. 3rd was 30rds of 5.4gr. 100% success. No signs of high pressure. This will probably be my new recipe but I want to do a little more testing for accuracy before I set it in stone. On another note, when my gun was at CZ, I bought a Cajun Gun Works 15# spring and SS guide rod to hopefully be able to just use it for target shooting with my current inventory of the 5.0gr rounds I have. Tried to shoot 5 rounds with 100% failure. So look for it in the EE! Even though it wont shoot my current reloads, I still love this gun. It's a keeper. Thanks. |
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Posted: 12/11/2017 2:13:38 AM EDT
[#29]
You trust something with known quality control problems?
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Posted: 12/11/2017 10:27:09 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You trust something with known quality control problems? |
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Posted: 12/11/2017 5:39:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Sounds great. I love CZ, just feel cautious toward the P10C. Those light loads are fun for guns with worn out recoil springs. Can't make USPSA speeds, but great for plinking.
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Posted: 12/12/2017 5:13:36 PM EDT
[#32]
This is a simple recoil spring fix. 20lbs is ridiculous.
I run a 9lb using 147gr at 950fps on my Tacsport and a 10lb spring on my 75B. Tens of thousands of rounds through each. Buy the CGW 15lb spring (because they don't make a lighter one). It's like 6 dollars. Just my opinion. |
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Posted: 12/12/2017 6:19:16 PM EDT
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This is a simple recoil spring fix. 20lbs is ridiculous. I run a 9lb using 147gr at 950fps on my Tacsport and a 10lb spring on my 75B. Tens of thousands of rounds through each. Buy the CGW 15lb spring (because they don't make a lighter one). It's like 6 dollars. Just my opinion. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 12:49:33 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out my post about 4 posts back. I did buy a CGW 15# spring and it didn't help. So am I getting this right ?: Gun came back from CZ with stock 20lb recoil spring, and it will run with that fine. But, a 15lb spring and it won't cycle the same rounds? Having a hard time understanding that. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:28:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Short list of guns I won't buy....Kimber,CZ, Taurus
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Posted: 12/14/2017 9:06:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My bad, didn't see that. So am I getting this right ?: Gun came back from CZ with stock 20lb recoil spring, and it will run with that fine. But, a 15lb spring and it won't cycle the same rounds? Having a hard time understanding that. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 3:36:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun will not cycle my 5.0gr CFE reloads with either spring. It will work fine with factory ammo and my 5.4gr ammo. I did not bother trying the 15# spring with any other ammo other than my light loads because that was the only reason I got it. I'm sure it would have been fine with all the other. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 4:37:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Fwiw my reloads cycle fine in mine, about 4 grains titegroup and a precision Delta or Winchester 124grain fmj.. Maybe what you need is to run a faster powder, not sure where on the burn chart CPE is. I'll try it with some of the slower powders as I get around to it.
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Posted: 12/29/2017 5:51:11 PM EDT
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Short list of guns I won't buy....Kimber,CZ, Taurus |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 10:30:05 PM EDT
[#40]
I feel your pain. I have several different 9mm reloads and tried one of them today.
My P-10C wouldn't always completely cycle. Went back to the house and loaded several mags with Federal P9HST2, and it ran like a champ. A separate lot of reloads ran great for 2,000 rounds thru the same gun. |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 11:42:51 PM EDT
[#41]
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Short list of guns I won't buy....Kimber,CZ, Taurus . |
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Posted: 1/21/2018 11:50:54 PM EDT
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Tested those new loads today. 10 rds of each. All with 115gr X-Treme plated bullet, COL 1.130, CFE Pistol powder 5.3gr - just one FTE. 5.5gr - no malfunctions. I love the feel of this gun but don't care for the idea of having different loads for my 9mm handguns..... I know, I'm weird. For some reason I just can't trust this gun as a carry gun. Drop to a 16lb recoil spring if you don’t want to add 3 grains of powder |
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Posted: 1/22/2018 2:28:11 PM EDT
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Drop to a 16lb recoil spring if you don’t want to add 3 grains of powder |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 6:51:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Lube the snot out of it. My new gun is way more juicy than my first P-10.
No problems with either gun using my reloads when the slide is well lubed. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 5:15:59 PM EDT
[#45]
I need to check what the recipe was because I loaded them over a year ago but...
I took my brand new P 10 C out to try out this weekend and the only 9mm I had with me were my reloads and they cycled/ran great. Very accurate. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:07:05 PM EDT
[#46]
^^^
My reloads were 5.7gr of Silhouette with 115gr plated at 1.125" OAL. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:21:37 PM EDT
[#47]
My P10 with a 15lb spring would cycle my 115gr Bayou’s using 3.6gr Titegroup at 1.110 as well as my 95gr loads.
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