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Posted: 3/24/2021 9:19:01 PM EDT
[#1]
The whitepaper is a scientific view of thread engagement, what it is, what's required for this particular application.
Glock OEM plate and OPF-G, RMR have the same thread engagement that's necessary (both meet minimum thread engagement with a Trijicon sealing plate), while the OEM plate will loosen and shear sight to plate screws, OPF-G, RMR doesn't. The screws and thread engagement are the constant, plates are the variables. OPF-G, RMR's design that firmly holds the sight immobile is the deciding factor. There can be more thread engagement and it'd be of no use if the sight is allowed to move. Numbers don't lie, physics is immutable. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 9:28:46 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too many words, I ain't a wordsmith eta FCD is awesome LMFAO  In short, thread engagement is not everything to put your eggs in. Lots more at play. 
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Posted: 3/25/2021 2:03:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We can, but don't have any desire to make as many plates as they have models. That, and we only support sights made in the US, and countries friendly to the US. I guess that's what I meant or maybe misunderstood something you said earlier. Either way I was glad I went with the RMR. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 2:44:12 PM EDT
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I got a custom G21 slide with an MOS cut, and now I'm looking for an adapter plate, and I can't find the OEM kit for the G40 MOS in stock anywhere. Would something like the OPF-G or one of the CHPWS plates work on a large frame slide? Ideally, I would like to use the OPF-G RMR with my Holosun HE508T since this would add the most mass to the slide and help with shooting .45 SUPER through it.
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Posted: 3/27/2021 2:52:11 PM EDT
[#5]
OPF-G, RMR will work on G40. In order to accommodate the full width of the RMR, our plate is wider than the 1" G17 and G19 slide, it overhangs on both sides a bit.
On a G40 with the slide being wider, the overhang disappears. These are pics posted by another member that installed OPF-G, RMR on his G40.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileOPF-G, RMR was designed for RMR and SRO. It was tested with 508T but it was a sloppy fit, can't speak to 508T v2 as we stopped buying more H sights to test after that. |
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Posted: 3/28/2021 8:26:15 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks for the info! I ordered the part from you guys, and I'll see how the Holosun fits. If it doesn't, I do have an RMR I can put on it instead, I would just prefer to use the Holosun on this build.
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Posted: 3/29/2021 9:48:58 PM EDT
[#7]
36 pages and I just want to know who you guys reccomend for milling a GLOCK 21 for a SRO or RMR??
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Posted: 3/30/2021 10:02:04 AM EDT
[#8]
I just got my OPF-G, RMR in yesterday. Just did a dry fit last night (still waiting on RMR to arrive) and it is clearly a better fit than the Glock MOS plate.
ETA: Plate and RMR installed per the included instructions. I dig it. Seems pretty rock solid. Hope to get out and shoot / zero this weekend. |
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Posted: 3/30/2021 10:47:50 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 36 pages and I just want to know who you guys reccomend for milling a GLOCK 21 for a SRO or RMR?? Check out Jagerwerks, aTei or L&M Precision |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 5:20:22 PM EDT
[#10]
Thanks everyone for the recommendation of the Forward Controls RMR mount. Picked up my 19 MOS today and just ordered the mount and the RMR.
4 minutes from order to ship. Not bad. Looking forward to this as it’s my first pistol red dot. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 5:44:20 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks everyone for the recommendation of the Forward Controls RMR mount. Picked up my 19 MOS today and just ordered the mount and the RMR. 4 minutes from order to ship. Not bad. Looking forward to this as it’s my first pistol red dot. You’ll love how solid and well made it makes the whole system feel. |
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Posted: 4/9/2021 4:36:43 PM EDT
[#12]
Also in development: VP9, universal (both issued and commercial M17/M18) RMR mounts.
43x/48 RMRcc plate will be in testing, then production soon. Billet machined in steel, as always.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 4:00:30 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also in development: VP9, universal (both issued and commercial M17/M18) RMR mounts. 43x/48 RMRcc plate will be in testing, then production soon. Billet machined in steel, as always. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/781/IMG_6298_jpg-1898686.JPG VP9 OR owners are dying to get them. And made in steel instead of aluminum like every other company. I presume they will have fences like the Glock plate. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:43:35 AM EDT
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I think there's ample room on the HK, if so, definitely keeping the recoil fences
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Posted: 4/10/2021 7:33:53 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also in development: VP9, |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 10:58:09 PM EDT
[#16]
Just wanted to give a shout out to Roger from FCD. Today I thought I ran into a problem with the screws on my mount but I was completely wrong. No issues at all with the FCD RMR plate or screws. The issue was that the extractor depressor plunger could not be removed from the slide of my G19 Gen 5 MOS.
Roger called me personally today to talk with me about the issue I was experiencing and helped me troubleshoot it even though it had nothing to do with his awesome plate or the screws. Can't say I have ever had that kind of experience with any product I've purchased in my personal life or at work. Above and beyond customer service and a genuinely really nice guy. It seems that I may have used a little too much loctite. The screw hole on the extractor side of the slide has a tiny hole into the channel where the extractor depressor plunger channel is located. It looks like some loctite got in there through the pin sized hole where the screw threads in through the slide. I took a light to the top of the screw hole and saw the tiny bit shining through in the channel where the screw for the plate goes into the slide. I then verified the same thing on a brand new in the box Gen 5 G19 as well. Sure enough, there is a pin size hole allowing light through in the same place. I wish Glock would have found a way to screw these plates into the slide without creating a hole in this area but it's better than creating a hole in the striker channel I suppose. I never noticed this issue with VC3 when I had used that on another Glock MOS gun because it does not seem to run and I was a bit more cautious with how much I used. I cleaned out the channel and was very cautious to only use just enough thread locker, no issues so far and I'll check it again periodically. TL/DR: Roger from FCD is a great guy and cares a lot about his products and customers. I think he works 24/7/365. Don't use too much loctite or stick with VC3 when installing an MOS plate. |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 3:03:17 AM EDT
[#17]
Roger is GTG!
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Posted: 4/11/2021 8:37:50 AM EDT
[#18]
Than you sir, I learned something in the process
The trick to VC-3 is use just what's needed, for small screws like MOS plate to slide screws, a tiny pin drop is all that's required. |
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Posted: 4/18/2021 8:19:20 PM EDT
[#19]
Just wrapped the Sage Dynamics RDS Instructor class. About 1350 rounds leading up to and in the class with the Forward plate. Checked torque several times with no movement whatsoever. Super pleased.
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Posted: 4/18/2021 10:40:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Thank you
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Posted: 4/19/2021 12:18:55 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wrapped the Sage Dynamics RDS Instructor class. About 1350 rounds leading up to and in the class with the Forward plate. Checked torque several times with no movement whatsoever. Super pleased. Was the class as good as you would expect from Aaron? |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was the class as good as you would expect from Aaron? Took the same course. Yes. Aaron is a solid instructor and well worth the $. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:45:57 PM EDT
[#23]
You should have access to previous students emails with some good info on certain locitites better than the standard blue.
Well worth it.
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Posted: 4/19/2021 10:46:43 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should have access to previous students emails with some good info on certain locitites better than the standard blue. Well worth it. Dropbox FTW. |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 11:59:21 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was the class as good as you would expect from Aaron? Let me put it this way. My slot was paid for by my employer. However, if he comes back next year (says he is), I plan on going again on my own dime. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 11:56:58 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me put it this way. My slot was paid for by my employer. However, if he comes back next year (says he is), I plan on going again on my own dime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was the class as good as you would expect from Aaron? Let me put it this way. My slot was paid for by my employer. However, if he comes back next year (says he is), I plan on going again on my own dime. I am just getting in to the RDS on pistols. I would love to take one of his classes and convince my agency to allow their use. Long ways off. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 2:53:42 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am just getting in to the RDS on pistols. I would love to take one of his classes and convince my agency to allow their use. Long ways off. If you ever need an example of a RDS friendly GO, let me know. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 11:07:04 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am just getting in to the RDS on pistols. I would love to take one of his classes and convince my agency to allow their use. Long ways off. Keep pushing. Took me 5 years to get it started at my PD and now pretty much rolling it out department wide this coming year. Plates will also be required. |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 1:40:57 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep pushing. Took me 5 years to get it started at my PD and now pretty much rolling it out department wide this coming year. Plates will also be required. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am just getting in to the RDS on pistols. I would love to take one of his classes and convince my agency to allow their use. Long ways off. Keep pushing. Took me 5 years to get it started at my PD and now pretty much rolling it out department wide this coming year. Plates will also be required. Will be a big push. I messaged Marksman14 what I am up against. |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 2:17:25 PM EDT
[#30]
You'll have to do a study/testing once past admin and approval of mayor, city manager, etc. for an increase in funding for the equipment and training. It'll be easier to go the MOS route versus sending off to get milled and recoated. Aaron's white paper covers a lot of that science.
Ohhh and Safariland is the back log. Good luck! |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 2:31:14 PM EDT
[#31]
If we can be of service in any way, please let me know. It's not our thing to name drop in public, I don't know of all the agencies that authorize red dot sights on duty weapons but I do know some big ones that do (and use our plate)
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Posted: 4/22/2021 2:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we can be of service in any way, please let me know. It's not our thing to name drop in public, I don't know of all the agencies that authorize red dot sights on duty weapons but I do know some big ones that do (and use our plate) Quote HistoryQuoted: If we can be of service in any way, please let me know. It's not our thing to name drop in public, I don't know of all the agencies that authorize red dot sights on duty weapons but I do know some big ones that do (and use our plate) Quoted: You'll have to do a study/testing once past admin and approval of mayor, city manager, etc. for an increase in funding for the equipment and training. It'll be easier to go the MOS route versus sending off to get milled and recoated. Aaron's white paper covers a lot of that science. Ohhh and Safariland is the back log. Good luck! We are a state agency with a bunch of little/medium semi-independent jurisdictions. Carrying a firearm is optional and guns are personally purchased and owned. Current training is to the lowest common denominator and ranges from literal social workers to ex military/corrections and police officers. Even though the small jurisdictions are somewhat independent in some things the training and policy is controlled by the mothership at the state. Then the administration of our agency have to get it cleared by the a panel of five people above them. Its a bigger charlie foxtrot than i have seen in my 21 years of experience. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 8:01:16 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If we can be of service in any way, please let me know. It's not our thing to name drop in public, I don't know of all the agencies that authorize red dot sights on duty weapons but I do know some big ones that do (and use our plate) All our MOS guys are using your plate
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:08:34 AM EDT
[#34]
We're grateful for all the support from our friends and LE agencies, thank you guys!
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Posted: 5/1/2021 2:42:40 AM EDT
[#35]
My agency just ran our first red dot transition course. Two day course, yesterday and today, 10 students total. We're using the Glock 17MOS.
I brought a Forward Controls Design mounting plate and was pleasantly surprised that our training Sergeant had no issue with me using it. 6/10 of us had aftermarket plates and I had no issues with the Forward Controls plate, which one of the instructors enthusiastically described as "Oh ya! That's good to go dude!" when I pulled it out during setup. I certainly feel very confident with it as my mounting system on my duty weapon. Plus, I'm loving the RMR! |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:22:57 AM EDT
[#36]
OPF-G43X/48, RMRcc is in production. We're developing backup sights in conjunction as well to meet agency requirements.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:37:31 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OPF-G43X/48, RMRcc is in production. We're developing backup sights in conjunction as well to meet agency requirements. That's awesome news, will the BUIS be tritium? Any plans for a 507K adaptor plate? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 1:39:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Tritium might be optional. The agency we're working with doesn't mandate it, but I'd like to include night sight options.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 1:54:28 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OPF-G43X/48, RMRcc is in production. We're developing backup sights in conjunction as well to meet agency requirements. Your gonna make me buy a 43X MOS and stick a SRO onto aren’t you? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 1:56:11 PM EDT
[#40]
Haha
 No plans for H plates. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 2:28:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your gonna make me buy a 43X MOS and stick a SRO onto aren't you? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 2:33:49 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be an unusual combo. Small gun big optic. Yes 
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Posted: 5/8/2021 11:04:07 AM EDT
[#43]
just wanted to say thanks for answering all my questions on your product and my G40 10mm, cant wait for the plate to get here. This company is GTG!!
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Posted: 5/10/2021 12:42:06 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think there's ample room on the HK, if so, definitely keeping the recoil fences @Duffy Do you need a VP9OR slide for R&D purposes? If so you are welcome to use mine. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 6:15:53 AM EDT
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We have a slide. One of the plates is ready, working on the other one now
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:50:27 PM EDT
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@Duffy
How tight should I be tightening my RMR down with the screws provided? |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 4:23:09 PM EDT
[#47]
12 to 13 inch lb
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Posted: 5/13/2021 6:51:56 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 12 to 13 inch lb Is that both the screws attaching the plate to the gun and the RMR to the plate? |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 7:01:32 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 12 to 13 inch lb Thank you! |
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Posted: 5/15/2021 8:02:58 PM EDT
[#50]
@Duffy
got my plate from you for my Glock model 40 10mm. The fit is super tight, got it all mounted up, and could'nt be happier with it, thanks again! |
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