How well would a Tisas P08 Luger sell? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/31/2025 11:17:43 PM EDT
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| If their pricing stays within the current price-point... I'd by two! |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G: It would have to actually function. Unlike most real Lugers. True! That said, I'd buy one for a shooter. |
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Originally Posted By myitinaw: True! That said, I'd buy one for a shooter. Originally Posted By myitinaw: Originally Posted By W_E_G: It would have to actually function. Unlike most real Lugers. True! That said, I'd buy one for a shooter. So if they worked too well could one say they are not a faithful reproduction? 
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Originally Posted By Skammy: I thought it was coming a while ago I remember that thread. Pretty sure it's bookmarked in my laptop at home. Hope they are working on it. |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G: It would have to actually function. Unlike most real Lugers. And there’s the rub. If they make a true 1:1 copy, which people would want, it theoretically could suffer from the same reliability quirks. But people would blame the foreign manufacturing and poor QC, so their brand takes a hit. If they make one to be reliable, which people would want, they might have to “improve” on the design, which takes it away from being a true (interchangeable parts) copy, which people would bitch about. I don’t mind clones. I own a couple. But I want them to be 1:1 interchangeable. And since I’m not buying a Luger as a carry gun, I’m OK with it being a bit finicky. But I imagine that’s an iffy proposition for a gunmaker to embrace since it’s their capitol at risk. |
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Originally Posted By AASG: If it sold for $350 ish street price, like their other stuff, I'd buy several. The top end Tisas 1911s and 2011s go for $1K or so. A Luger requires much more quality machining, intricate cuts inside the frame and lots of QC compared to a 1911. That's why Germany replaced the P08 with the P38. |
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Originally Posted By GriswoldGuns: I would buy one even if it jammed 5% of the time. If it was reliable and had night sights, I would CCW it! You OC Lugers and Mauser's. |
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Cool as they are, I'd rather have a Mauser C96, preferably one of the magazine fed models. I'd even go through the hassle to IWB carry it. I think I posted a while back that I'd like to see a C96 clone also. It'd be nice if they offered all of these models in high polish blue and polished nickel. |
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Originally Posted By AASG: I think I posted a while back that I'd like to see a C96 clone also. It'd be nice if they offered all of these models in high polish blue and polished nickel. Originally Posted By AASG: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Cool as they are, I'd rather have a Mauser C96, preferably one of the magazine fed models. I'd even go through the hassle to IWB carry it. I think I posted a while back that I'd like to see a C96 clone also. It'd be nice if they offered all of these models in high polish blue and polished nickel. No idea why, but I've always had a thing for them- and I have no idea how you'd actually IWB carry that monster but I'd give it a try if they'd make it. |
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Originally Posted By W_E_G: It would have to actually function. Unlike most real Lugers. With proper ammunition and in good *original* condition, a P.08 Luger runs like a sewing machine. it's super smooth, very reliable and very pleasant to shoot. The 9mm P.08 Lugers are designed for standard pressure 9mm Luger ammunition, with weights at or below 124 grains. Most Luger reliability problems trace to one of four issues: - A weak recoil spring. In general, when you acquire a Luger and periodically there after, place a layer of masking tape on the ears of the receiver. The toggle will come back under recoil but should not impact the ears. If the tape is getting cut, the recoil spring is too weak for the ammunition being used. - A weak magazine spring. Some of these magazines are well over 100 years old and most others over 80 years old. Those springs are not what they used to be and they are often also corroded. - A poor condition or poor quality aftermarket magazine. Feed lip adjustment and hardness matter. - A pistol with a mix of parts. The P.08 had a high percentage of parts numbered to the gun and that reflected the higher degree of hand fitted parts involved. Today, some "correct" guns will have extractors, side plates, etc with the right 4 digit numbers but they are off other lugers with the same 4 digit numbers as a collector tries to create an "original" Luger. The problem is many of those mis matched parts were in fact properly fitted by a German armorer, while the replacement 4 digit part is not. The later commercial clones tended to have poor reliability as they were not made to the same standard of fitting. |
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Originally Posted By JamesTheScot: And there’s the rub. If they make a true 1:1 copy, which people would want, it theoretically could suffer from the same reliability quirks. But people would blame the foreign manufacturing and poor QC, so their brand takes a hit. If they make one to be reliable, which people would want, they might have to “improve” on the design, which takes it away from being a true (interchangeable parts) copy, which people would bitch about. I don’t mind clones. I own a couple. But I want them to be 1:1 interchangeable. And since I’m not buying a Luger as a carry gun, I’m OK with it being a bit finicky. But I imagine that’s an iffy proposition for a gunmaker to embrace since it’s their capitol at risk. There is nothing wrong with the original P.08 design as made by the military contractors over the years - other than it is very expensive to produce as noted above the reliability issues with the luger were acquired, not built into the design. But it is not amenable to *low cost* mass production and prior efforts to make commercial clones have not resulted in reliable pistols. |
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Originally Posted By DakotaFAL: Most Luger reliability problems trace to one of four issues: - A weak recoil spring. In general, when you acquire a Luger and periodically there after, place a layer of masking tape on the ears of the receiver. The toggle will come back under recoil but should not impact the ears.  If the toggle doesn't touch the ears, how does the knee-joint break?
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Originally Posted By backbencher: If the toggle doesn't touch the ears, how does the knee-joint break?Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DakotaFAL: Most Luger reliability problems trace to one of four issues: - A weak recoil spring. In general, when you acquire a Luger and periodically there after, place a layer of masking tape on the ears of the receiver. The toggle will come back under recoil but should not impact the ears. If the toggle doesn't touch the ears, how does the knee-joint break?Yup, that's a fundamental aspect of the action. If they make a Luger in 10mm I'll buy 2! Make it in stainless steel and I'll sell a kidney! (Obviously, I'm not a traditionalist  )
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Interestingly they're still on the company's website. Anyone hear anything more about them? Brownell's is listed as one of their distributors so maybe the site could assist in some way. I asked if these had actually gone into production and would be available via their contact us page; guess we'll see what and if anything comes of it. Maybe it'd help if they got a bunch of people requesting them. I still want a C96 too. Standard- MSRP $800 https://lkcillc.com/cm-p08-luger-pistol/ Artillery- MSRP $850 https://lkcillc.com/cm-p08-a-luger-pistol/ @0351 Update: I got a reply from the company. Guess we'll have to wait and see. They will be available first quarter sometimes provided the government is open. LKCI, LTD. 5772 Bear Hollow Road SE Newark, Ohio 43055-9464 USA Office: 740-763-0027 E-Mail: [email protected] Website: https://www.lkcillc.com/ |
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The only "unreliable" Lugers I have seen are 1917 Erfurts cracking the rear toggle link. If the gun isn't working then try a different mag, replace worn springs, and use 124gr fmj. They are very reliable guns. A shooter grade original isn't that hard to find but a clone that can be abused isn't a terrible option. |
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Interestingly they're still on the company's website. Anyone hear anything more about them? Brownell's is listed as one of their distributors so maybe the site could assist in some way. I asked if these had actually gone into production and would be available via their contact us page; guess we'll see what and if anything comes of it. Maybe it'd help if they got a bunch of people requesting them. I still want a C96 too. Standard- MSRP $800 https://lkcillc.com/cm-p08-luger-pistol/ Artillery- MSRP $850 https://lkcillc.com/cm-p08-a-luger-pistol/ @0351 Update: I got a reply from the company. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Whoa. I remember this thread from few months back. I thought we were all just day dreaming. This should be really cool! |
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Originally Posted By 0351: I'm old. What does "OC" mean? I get that you would buy it. Probably “open carry” for all sorts of weird street cred. For $800, I’d probably be into one as well. Pretty epic video game star on top of the historical relevance. 
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Originally Posted By Findsman: Probably “open carry” for all sorts of weird street cred. For $800, I’d probably be into one as well. Pretty epic video game star on top of the historical relevance. Originally Posted By Findsman: Originally Posted By 0351: I'm old. What does "OC" mean? I get that you would buy it. Probably “open carry” for all sorts of weird street cred. For $800, I’d probably be into one as well. Pretty epic video game star on top of the historical relevance. Weird street cred? If I want weird street cred I'll OC a Lego-gripped Norinco 1911. OCing a Luger is displaying art in public. |
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Originally Posted By Bounce19712: bump to keep the spark No Tisas, but.... https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/I-didn-t-think-anyone-would-do-it-but-affordable-Lugers-may-be-on-the-way-/4-219048/ |
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