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Posted: 4/24/2021 4:31:43 PM EDT
[#1]
So no different then most any other modern striker fired pistol then.............
It's possible you swiped it off while putting it in the holster. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 4:49:12 PM EDT
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Not sure about safety springs in 1911’s, I carry an M&P with no external safety.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 4:52:15 PM EDT
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As long as the safety has a positive click going on and of safe it is more likely you or your holster moved the safety. Check the holster with an empty gun.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 4:57:59 PM EDT
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You could put in a new plunger spring from Wolff or you could reshape surface "A" in the pic below to make it more difficult for the safety to move into the OFF SAFE / FIRE position.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:11:00 PM EDT
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Brownell's has a spot drill to deepen the 'hole' for the detent............
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:15:08 PM EDT
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Had this happen one time in the many years I've carried a 1911 on and off, it was on one with an ambi safety and I had been wrestling to hold one of my kids during the day. In my case I'm guessing his foot kicked the ambi safety off and I didn't hear the click due to other noise and sound. Switched back to a single sided safety and it never happened again.
Not sure what happened with yours. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:17:32 PM EDT
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I wonder if I bumped it off when I used the restroom, normal I pull the gun our of the holster and set it on the paper dispenser but this time I didn't do that. Safety still has a nice positive detent, it has an ambi safety but my holster has a full cut to protect that side. I'll keep an eye on it and if it happens again I'll try some of the mods mentioned.
I'm used to a striker fired gun with no thumb safety so no big deal as long as the trigger is covered. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:21:54 PM EDT
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Is it an ambitious safety? Ambitious safeties do this and it's why I won't carry one. If it's a single sided safety, I've never had that happen and would concern me.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:25:25 PM EDT
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I've noticed it happen in a Safariland ALS.
Not concerned. Grip safety is there and I keep my finger off the trigger until "go time." |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:48:42 PM EDT
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I was honestly scared to carry a 1911 when I started out. So I did a test. wore it a few days and the safety didn't click off. Then I wore it a few more days (chamber empty) with the safety off on purpose. Hammer never fell. then I carried it a few days with the hammer back, safety off, and a rubber band depressing the grip safety. Guess what? Hammer never fell.
since then I'm a lot more appreciative of the design. I'll sometimes check the thumb safety if I have a fall or someone slams into me but otherwise I'm fine and comfy with it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 5:52:45 PM EDT
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Drill or notch your safety deeper. So pop that lever off and get to work.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 6:03:54 PM EDT
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Replace spring at the very least, IMO.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 6:11:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it an ambitious safety? Ambitious safeties do this and it's why I won't carry one. If it's a single sided safety, I've never had that happen and would concern me. Yes it is, but I need the ambi safety because I'm left handed |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 6:15:44 PM EDT
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Way back when, like 30 years ago, when I carried a 1911 it happen to me more then once. Once I was introduced to Glocks, I never looked back.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 6:21:14 PM EDT
[#15]
Get a holster that holds the safety on. Easy with kydex.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 6:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brownell's has a spot drill to deepen the 'hole' for the detent............ The detent dimple will only tend to keep the safety off. Resistance to the safety coming off is achieved by the detent having to snap over a "corner" on the front of the safety like Steve's image shows above. The sharper the corner the more resistance it will take. It doesn't take as much alteration of the corner as you might think. Remove about 1/3 the metal you think you need to, then reassemble and test. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 6:37:25 PM EDT
[#17]
Ambi-safety was most likely the culprit.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 7:05:52 PM EDT
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So put it back on safe.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 7:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is, but I need the ambi safety because I'm left handed Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it an ambitious safety? Ambitious safeties do this and it's why I won't carry one. If it's a single sided safety, I've never had that happen and would concern me. Yes it is, but I need the ambi safety because I'm left handed Dang. Honestly there's no way to stop it then. I won't own an ambi safety 1911 because of it. I wouldnt carry a 1911 as a lefty. I respect everyone's choice to do them though. Just gotta be very careful when unhoslstering and drawing. If you draw it under stress and it's already off, that could be bad. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 7:13:45 PM EDT
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Not uncommon with ambi safeties. Flip it back to safe and move on.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 7:37:50 PM EDT
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I've had it happen twice with a BHP with an ambi safety. Not a big deal if you're aware and handle it safely anyway, but it was a surprise the first time for me.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 7:44:58 PM EDT
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My 1911 with an ambi will do that if I am driving.
I always mod my 1911 holsters with a shelf to lock the lever up now. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 8:01:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a holster that holds the safety on. Easy with kydex. Or a basic holster like an FBI tilt pancake holster with thumb snap. Even if you managed to reach the them safety and move it,....you have one additional layer preventing a discharge.. the thumb snap in front if the hammer. As long as you select a holster where you easily can un snap when you grip the gun it is of no hinderance. I have had many basic pancake holsters with thumb snaps. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 8:03:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or a basic holster like an FBI tilt pancake holster with thumb snap. Even if you managed to reach the them safety and move it,....you have one additional layer preventing a discharge.. the thumb snap in front if the hammer. As long as you select a holster where you easily can un snap when you grip the gun it is of no hinderance. I have had many basic pancake holsters with thumb snaps. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 8:14:28 PM EDT
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Happens sometimes. Not a big deal. Grip safety still makes it safe enough. I found it happened a lot more with ambi safeties. Would use the ambi safety to check often that it was still on. Didn't have much of an issue with single sided safeties.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 10:49:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm used to a striker fired gun with no thumb safety so no big deal as long as the trigger is covered. What makes you think its no big deal with a striker gun but it is with a 1911? |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 11:05:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So put it back on safe. ^^^ sums up my thoughts! |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 12:08:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes you think its no big deal with a striker gun but it is with a 1911? I guess when you don't have a manual safety you never think about it like when you have one and it gets bumped off. I do think the 1911 is the safer of the two types. |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 11:23:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or a basic holster like an FBI tilt pancake holster with thumb snap. Even if you managed to reach the them safety and move it,....you have one additional layer preventing a discharge.. the thumb snap in front if the hammer. As long as you select a holster where you easily can un snap when you grip the gun it is of no hinderance. I have had many basic pancake holsters with thumb snaps. My carry method for my 1911, enough drills with an empty gun and you won't even think about it when or if you need to draw. |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 12:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess when you don't have a manual safety you never think about it like when you have one and it gets bumped off. I do think the 1911 is the safer of the two types. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes you think its no big deal with a striker gun but it is with a 1911? I guess when you don't have a manual safety you never think about it like when you have one and it gets bumped off. I do think the 1911 is the safer of the two types. I carried it chamber empty with the hammer back and the safety off for a week. Grip safety only. The hammer never dropped. |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 12:32:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How will the hammer drop with the gun holstered? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or a basic holster like an FBI tilt pancake holster with thumb snap. Even if you managed to reach the them safety and move it,....you have one additional layer preventing a discharge.. the thumb snap in front if the hammer. As long as you select a holster where you easily can un snap when you grip the gun it is of no hinderance. I have had many basic pancake holsters with thumb snaps. It wouldn’t/shouldn’t but it is just one more layer. That said for a glock style trigger I absolutely refuse to carry in a soft leather holster. I have seen enough worn out squishy holsters pictures in arfcom AD/ND stories. That said I have a Don Hume FBI tilt belt scabbard with thumb break that I have used for 25 years. It is still perfectly sound but it isn’t a daily wear holster. Model 721 or 722 iirc, I have an old suede bianchi iwb from the eighties, It fits my 43x like a glove but I still ordered a kydex holster to use instead to give the trigger some shielding that the suede cannot. Sorry, I am not perfect but I like to think to prevent issues before they happen. The only 1911 I ever found with a bad grip safety was an issue 1911A1 that I was temporarily issued as an MP in Panama. I tried to get the the active duty armorer to swap out for another or even one of their Berettas but we didn’t have any extra 1911s and they wouldn’t issue the Beretta across units. While the 1911 failed the grip safety test by dropping with just a trigger pull it would drop the hammer. Off I went for three weeks of night shifts and did draw that bastard once in a dark stairwell on a call for a man with a knife trying to break down a door in a housing unit. With the nonfunctional grip safety I actually did carry on an empty chamber according to then current regs with the 1911. Trying to rack one in while holding a big maglite and a brick of a portable radio was a cluster.  |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 12:57:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The detent dimple will only tend to keep the safety off. Resistance to the safety coming off is achieved by the detent having to snap over a "corner" on the front of the safety like Steve's image shows above. The sharper the corner the more resistance it will take. It doesn't take as much alteration of the corner as you might think. Remove about 1/3 the metal you think you need to, then reassemble and test. Ah.....you are correct! |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 9:06:06 PM EDT
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I've had and carried 5 1911s and the only time the safety ever was disengaged in the holster was with my current rotation ambi-safety Springfield.
If it concerns you that much (and I can back up the others here that it doesn't matter on the 1911 specifically), there are holsters designed to keep the safety in the engaged position for 1911s. |
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Posted: 4/25/2021 9:16:33 PM EDT
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You say you're a lefty, just modify the ambi-safety so the normal right side lever is smaller. Just leave enough to grab onto to detail strip the gun. If you are keeping it and using it, don't worry about any resale value, and if you decide to sell it, safeties aren't all THAT expensive in the whole grand scheme of things.
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Posted: 4/25/2021 9:26:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess when you don't have a manual safety you never think about it like when you have one and it gets bumped off. I do think the 1911 is the safer of the two types. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes you think its no big deal with a striker gun but it is with a 1911? I guess when you don't have a manual safety you never think about it like when you have one and it gets bumped off. I do think the 1911 is the safer of the two types. If you think I striker fired gun is unsafe then I see why this is a big deal to you. |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 8:33:22 AM EDT
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Sometimes it's you. Bump it, rub it, not realize you pushed it when holstering.
But, sometimes it's the holster and how it fits the pistol. A loose fit allows the pistol to move around in the holster. A lack of coverage allows the safeties to be rubbed, pushed. Contact between the safeties and holster can move the safety. I carry a P07 in one of the Safariland holsters. I noticed the magazine (I know, not the safety but still a holster/pistol fit issue) coming loose when I rolled over on my right side. Had to stop that. Kept looking at it and noticed the kydex would contact the mag. release button and push it hard enough to release the magazine. I used a heat gun and screwdriver to "move" the kydex in the mag. release button area away from the button. No more mag. release issues from rolling over on my right side. Now, the safety issue. Got a new White Hat IWB holster for my P01 Omega. Right off the bat, just walking around with the pistol in the holster the holster and left side safety lever would work together to move the safety to the fire position. Again, some looking at it, a heat gun and a screw driver formed a pocket in the holster to actually keep the safety lever in the SAFE position. As long as the pistol is in the holster, the safety can't move off SAFE. |
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