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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:15:35 PM EDT
[#1]
.40 S&W has been on artificial life support since day one!
Now I can buy cheap Glock .40 S&Ws, toss the barrel and replace it to go .357 SIG |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:20:00 PM EDT
[#2]
.40 s&with just never grabbed me.
I use a 9, and want a 45. I really want a .50 going about 850 fpm. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:20:39 PM EDT
[#3]
I SAY THEY ARE RIGHT.
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:21:31 PM EDT
[#4]
When was short n weak a thing?
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:31:41 PM EDT
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I don’t mind .40 S&W. I have one in a tanfoglio along with a 9mm upper that interchanges. Downside is for same size pistol , 12 rounds in .40, 16 rounds in 9mm. Upside, in my case, the .40 is more accurate. And is an easier cartridge to hand load.
There is more bullet selection in factory 9mm, but 40 stayed on the store shelf a little longer than 9mm during this latest panic. And 40 does have higher velocities and energies compared to 9mm of similar bullet weight. And what do the gun experts predict? That the 40 is dead, and all at once all handguns and ammunition in existence suddenly melt and turn to jelly? Just like the experts predicted the death of the .357 magnum. Still a very potent and viable cartridge, just limited to a maximum of eight rounds in select revolvers. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:33:54 PM EDT
[#6]
Good thing is I can get .40 S&W cheap.
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .40 S&W has been on artificial life support since day one! Now I can buy cheap Glock .40 S&Ws, toss the barrel and replace it to go .357 SIG I love the .40. Always have. But I don't mind that others hate it. 40s are cheap now. Picked up a used G27 for $335 out the door. It's in great condish. A G26 of the same condition they wanted $450+ Anyway, why I posted was...... Can you just throw a G33 barrel in a G27 and use .357 sig? I've always loved the 357 sig for some reason. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:53:21 PM EDT
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FPNI if you can stock it and rock it
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Posted: 4/4/2020 10:31:17 PM EDT
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LOL.
Right now (i.e. during a panic) 40 S&W is a) more available and b) hasn’t appreciably increased in $ from “normal” times. Of course, if you’re buying during a panic, you’re doing it wrong. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 12:58:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing is I can get .40 S&W cheap. This. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 1:58:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think that is nothing but a bunch S - - t. They said the same thing about the 9mm at one time and don't forget 45ACP. There is no perfect wonder round. I use 9mm,45apc,10mm, and the 40S&W they are all great cartridges. Any and all thoughts are appreciated. JG10mm When did they say 9mm was going away? It's probably the most prolific pistol round ever made. 45 won't go away as long as they make 1911's. I don't think 40 will ever go away but 9mm has certainly taken a pretty good chunk of its market share and will probably continue to do so. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:01:20 AM EDT
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Carry one every day. In the last 8 years I've bought quite a few 9MM, .40 S&W and .45 acp pistols (FNS, CZ, M&P, XD) and only one shoots better groups than my .40 S&W P07. A 9MM P09.
If I'm alive 10, 15 years from now, that P07 will be on my hip. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:16:55 AM EDT
[#13]
I have always though the .40 S&W was a fine service round.
It is as effective as 9mm or .45 ACP in the real world and does a great job of splitting the difference between 9mm (more rounds vs. .45acp) and .45 (larger diameter vs. 9mm). A M&P or Glock is about the same size & weight of a M-92 or Third Gen Smith & holds the same number of rounds (15). This whole "Hate the .40" is absolute "Democrat" level of retardation. It is "just another round" of equal effectiveness as the other "service handgun rounds". All Handguns, (.380, 9mm, 357 sig, .40 S&W, 10mm, .45 acp, ect...) all have more of less the same "effectiveness" in the real world when used with similar constructed bullets & shot placement AND they all flat out SUCK compared to a Long Gun in 12 gauge or 5.56. To be clear, the .40 was never a "magic bullet", but neither is the 9mm, .357 Sig, .45 ACP or even the 10mm. We see the cycle go around and around and around, and at the end of it all, the truth remains the same. .40 is still around and will still be around for many years to come because of the very large number of handguns chambered for it in circulation. BIGGER_HAMMER  |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:22:29 AM EDT
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Still around in competitive circles, although it is dying off a bit. Personally, I picked a full size conversion kit in .40 for my SIG 320. With a few mag extensions it is easy to get a good gun to run Limited division in USPSA without spending major bucks on a 2011.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:31:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When did they say 9mm was going away? It's probably the most prolific pistol round ever made. 45 won't go away as long as they make 1911's. I don't think 40 will ever go away but 9mm has certainly taken a pretty good chunk of its market share and will probably continue to do so. In the 90s, the 9mm was considered to small & weak to be effective. It had a lot of shite dumped upon it for it's "failure" in the 1986 "FBI Miami shootout", and the Los Angeles Sheriff & Others reported poor stopping with Winchester 147 OTM 9mm (which was designed to be fired from suppressed MP-5s and didn't always open well at the lower speeds out of handguns). That perception that 9mm wasn't able to do the job in law enforcement was the whole reason that the 10mm came to the attention of the FBI, who adopted it and then realized it was WAY too much gun (Big heavy S&W 1076 in 10mm) & way too much cartridge for most agents (many agents are not 'gun fanatics' and shoot only the minimum to qualify). When the full power 10mm Loads proved excessive recoil & poor agent performance, the FBI developed the 10mm downloaded 10mm "light" rounds. (which are the ballistic equal of .40 S&W). S&W then said, hey if they want a 10mm bullet at a lower speed, we don't need to use the longer .45 ACP - 10mm format (1911 or .45-10mm 3rd gen) and we could fit that same bullet size & power into a 9mm platform. Which is where the .40 S&W came from. The .40 S&W round took off because departments in the 90's felt that 9mm was weak sauce with "proven failures to stop" and that .40 S&W was "the solution" for more "stopping power" in a more manageable pistol platform size without the drawbacks of .45 ACP (low capacity - larger frame size). BIGGER_HAMMER
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:54:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2020 8:08:29 AM EDT
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Calling someone an expert, is an opinion, and everyone should treat the words of the person as gospel? I think not.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 8:16:29 AM EDT
[#18]
There will always be calibers that are more popular than others. I like them all.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 9:48:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When was short n weak a thing? 2003 or thereabouts. Almost couldn't find a 9mm pistol back then. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the 90s, the 9mm was considered to small & weak to be effective. It had a lot of shite dumped upon it for it's "failure" in the 1986 "FBI Miami shootout", and the Los Angeles Sheriff & Others reported poor stopping with Winchester 147 OTM 9mm (which was designed to be fired from suppressed MP-5s and didn't always open well at the lower speeds out of handguns). That perception that 9mm wasn't able to do the job in law enforcement was the whole reason that the 10mm came to the attention of the FBI, who adopted it and then realized it was WAY too much gun (Big heavy S&W 1076 in 10mm) & way too much cartridge for most agents (many agents are not 'gun fanatics' and shoot only the minimum to qualify). When the full power 10mm Loads proved excessive recoil & poor agent performance, the FBI developed the 10mm downloaded 10mm "light" rounds. (which are the ballistic equal of .40 S&W). S&W then said, hey if they want a 10mm bullet at a lower speed, we don't need to use the longer .45 ACP - 10mm format (1911 or .45-10mm 3rd gen) and we could fit that same bullet size & power into a 9mm platform. Which is where the .40 S&W came from. The .40 S&W round took off because departments in the 90's felt that 9mm was weak sauce with "proven failures to stop" and that .40 S&W was "the solution" for more "stopping power" in a more manageable pistol platform size without the drawbacks of .45 ACP (low capacity - larger frame size). BIGGER_HAMMER This is true. My agencies had numerous failures with our 9mm's before we switched to the 40. After we got the 40, all the stories of bad guys taking multiple hits and running off stopped. For the bullet tech of the 90's (and prior) bigger bullets worked better. Modern bullet design has leveled the field quite a bit. After the North Hollywood shootout in '96, many LAPD Officers were asking to replace their 9mm with 45's (which was silly since the head-to-toe body armor the bad guys were wearing would defeat 40 or 45 just as easily as 9mm). Having access to Patrol Rifles has also helped the reputation of the 9mm... |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:28:55 AM EDT
[#21]
There is no logical reason to buy a .40S&W over a 9mm.
And I'm an old fuck that grew up thinking .45ACP is where it's at. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:32:58 AM EDT
[#22]
No so called experts would claim such a thing. Who are these experts OP? Admit it, that is just your wishful thinking?
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:55:07 AM EDT
[#23]
It does explain why 40S&W ammo is in low demand and readily available on the shelves of virtually all the LGS near me when everything else gets snapped up pretty quickly.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 11:01:28 AM EDT
[#24]
@Miami_JBT
Paging the Lord of Fortay The Lord of Fortay to the white courtesy phone |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 11:36:53 AM EDT
[#25]
.40 S&W was up until recently the most prolific cartridge in police service. Over 60% of American LE carried a .40 S&W and the vast majority of them were GLOCKs. .40 S&W is not going anywhere. Hell, look at all the new modern Striker Fired Pistols coming out.
Beretta, FN, HK all came out with their guns in .40 S&W and 9mm. They didn't do it in .45 ACP. The number one cartridge that is losing market space is the .45 ACP and yet it is still being made to this day. .40 S&W isn't going anywhere. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 11:46:56 AM EDT
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"They" say a lot of things.
It is still a very viable cartridge. "They" say cartridges like 10mm and .41 Magnum are viable. No doubt solid performers, but not everyone can handle them. .357 SIG is another solid performer. It struggled at a time .40 was still trying to make in roads. .45 GAP? I'm not sure anyone asked that question. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 11:57:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "They" say a lot of things. It is still a very viable cartridge. "They" say cartridges like 10mm and .41 Magnum are viable. No doubt solid performers, but not everyone can handle them. .357 SIG is another solid performer. It struggled at a time .40 was still trying to make in roads. .45 GAP? I'm not sure anyone asked that question. .40 S&W was released to the market on January 17, 1990. Before the end of that year, GLOCK already had .40 S&W chambered G22s and G23s in the hands of LE with SLED being the first agency within the nation to adopt the cartridge. Beating S&W to the punch. The .357 Sig came out in 1994 and struggled to fight an uphill battle. Because by that time, the .40 S&W was firmly being entrenched into the LE market. S&W by then had their contracts with the CHP and others. GLOCK already flooded the market by then with their .40 S&Ws. The .45 GAP was GLOCK's attempt to secure market share if the Clinton AWB was renewed. The ban wasn't, so the market collapsed for the cartridge. On paper, all the cartridges you mentioned are great. I shoot .41 Magnum, 10mm Auto, .40 S&W, and even .45 GAP. Hell, I carried .45 GAP on duty as a cop for a period. But out of them all, the .40 S&W became a market success. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 3:10:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is true. My agencies had numerous failures with our 9mm's before we switched to the 40. After we got the 40, all the stories of bad guys taking multiple hits and running off stopped. For the bullet tech of the 90's (and prior) bigger bullets worked better. Modern bullet design has leveled the field quite a bit. After the North Hollywood shootout in '96, many LAPD Officers were asking to replace their 9mm with 45's (which was silly since the head-to-toe body armor the bad guys were wearing would defeat 40 or 45 just as easily as 9mm). Having access to Patrol Rifles has also helped the reputation of the 9mm... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the 90s, the 9mm was considered to small & weak to be effective. It had a lot of shite dumped upon it for it's "failure" in the 1986 "FBI Miami shootout", and the Los Angeles Sheriff & Others reported poor stopping with Winchester 147 OTM 9mm (which was designed to be fired from suppressed MP-5s and didn't always open well at the lower speeds out of handguns). That perception that 9mm wasn't able to do the job in law enforcement was the whole reason that the 10mm came to the attention of the FBI, who adopted it and then realized it was WAY too much gun (Big heavy S&W 1076 in 10mm) & way too much cartridge for most agents (many agents are not 'gun fanatics' and shoot only the minimum to qualify). When the full power 10mm Loads proved excessive recoil & poor agent performance, the FBI developed the 10mm downloaded 10mm "light" rounds. (which are the ballistic equal of .40 S&W). S&W then said, hey if they want a 10mm bullet at a lower speed, we don't need to use the longer .45 ACP - 10mm format (1911 or .45-10mm 3rd gen) and we could fit that same bullet size & power into a 9mm platform. Which is where the .40 S&W came from. The .40 S&W round took off because departments in the 90's felt that 9mm was weak sauce with "proven failures to stop" and that .40 S&W was "the solution" for more "stopping power" in a more manageable pistol platform size without the drawbacks of .45 ACP (low capacity - larger frame size). BIGGER_HAMMER This is true. My agencies had numerous failures with our 9mm's before we switched to the 40. After we got the 40, all the stories of bad guys taking multiple hits and running off stopped. For the bullet tech of the 90's (and prior) bigger bullets worked better. Modern bullet design has leveled the field quite a bit. After the North Hollywood shootout in '96, many LAPD Officers were asking to replace their 9mm with 45's (which was silly since the head-to-toe body armor the bad guys were wearing would defeat 40 or 45 just as easily as 9mm). Having access to Patrol Rifles has also helped the reputation of the 9mm... I'm somewhat familiar with the history but even in the middle of that nonsense 9mm was still the most popular handgun caliber. Pretty sure it has been since at least the 80's here and possibly earlier. No question that 9mm had some shortcomings with old bullet technology but as we are all aware now that was pretty much across the board. If we are solely talking about calibers from a duty use standpoint 40's ruled the roost for a long time and probably still do by the numbers but if we are talking overall numbers I am not sure 40 was ever anywhere close to 9mm in popularity. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 5:46:55 PM EDT
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I think a good 40 cal 180 Gold DOT or 165 HST will take the fight out off a big 295lbs gang banger . faster than a 9 .
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Posted: 4/5/2020 6:12:26 PM EDT
[#30]
It’s days are certainly numbered as an LE service cartridge. I doubt you will see new pistols made for the round, but there were just too many .40 pistols produced for it to disappear from the ammo market.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 6:49:57 PM EDT
[#31]
40 just too close to 45 ACP. 9mm can do most
everything the 45 ACP and 40 can do in a self defense handgun. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 6:52:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's days are certainly numbered as an LE service cartridge. I doubt you will see new pistols made for the round, but there were just too many .40 pistols produced for it to disappear from the ammo market. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 6:53:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 40 just too close to 45 ACP. 9mm can do most everything the 45 ACP and 40 can do in a self defense handgun. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 6:53:42 PM EDT
[#34]
As soon as it fades someone will announce the .40 Super, with similar dimensions, and sell a ton of guns. Things move in cycles, .40 SW is never truly going away.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:03:24 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .40 S&W has been on artificial life support since day one! Now I can buy cheap Glock .40 S&Ws, toss the barrel and replace it to go .357 SIG  357SIG was never a go except that Texas DPS adopted it, and I own one. .40 ammo was always expensive and departments are abandoning it not for performance but for cost. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:03:37 PM EDT
[#36]
It's a fine cartridge and won't disappear, but 9mm does 90% of what it does with easier shootability, higher capacity, and lower cost.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:08:04 PM EDT
[#37]
I see your "the 40 is almost gone" and raise you a Covid-19 pandemic...
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:46:17 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As soon as it fades someone will announce the .40 Super, with similar dimensions, and sell a ton of guns. Things move in cycles, .40 SW is never truly going away.  |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 9:33:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More new models are being made in .40 S&W than .45 ACP right now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's days are certainly numbered as an LE service cartridge. I doubt you will see new pistols made for the round, but there were just too many .40 pistols produced for it to disappear from the ammo market. Facts. I attended an FBI ballistics briefing and the poor performance of .45 ACP through barriers was astounding. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 9:43:10 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Facts. I attended an FBI ballistics briefing and the poor performance of .45 ACP through barriers was astounding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's days are certainly numbered as an LE service cartridge. I doubt you will see new pistols made for the round, but there were just too many .40 pistols produced for it to disappear from the ammo market. Facts. I attended an FBI ballistics briefing and the poor performance of .45 ACP through barriers was astounding. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:38:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except barrier penetration like auto glass. .40 S&W smokes 9mm and .45 ACP at that. X2 I carry .40. Have for 11 years. I never wanted to carry anything else. I have guns in all calibers if needed. G22 / G27 |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 1:29:07 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When was short n weak a thing? 1994-2004 |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 10:21:07 AM EDT
[#43]
Locally, .40 S&W was among the last of the pistol calibers to remain on the shelf at Walmart, even at the clearance prices.
I should have bought some for the .40 S&W Glock my wife may inherit some day, just to have, but I didn't. If that Glock ever comes our way, there is a 99% chance it will go into the safe, never to be fired. We have 9mm and .45 ACP handguns. The .40 is of zero interest to us... .40 S&W will continue to be made because there are a lot of handguns out there in this caliber, but I can not see any reason why it would ever increase in popularity. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 8:59:10 AM EDT
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40 ammo sales strong during current panic.
9mm is good; I've carried a Glock 19, my wife still does. 147 HST is a good self defense bullet. Yet, I've got a Glock 23 IWB. Let's use the cliche about all handguns suck... If they do why pick the minimum? Maybe there is a slight potential advantage in a slightly larger bullet, hedge the odds. 9mm is the minimum caliber carried by uniform LE. Why go with the minimum? Did LE abandon 40 in favor of 9mm because 9mm was perceived as better? No. More like perceived as "good enough" and factor officers that are not "into" shooting and/or "small stature". If a nationwide AWB with arbitrary and stupid 10 round limit is ever a thing, I predict that demand for 40 will increase. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 9:42:17 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 40 ammo sales strong during current panic. 9mm is good; I've carried a Glock 19, my wife still does. 147 HST is a good self defense bullet. Yet, I've got a Glock 23 IWB. Let's use the cliche about all handguns suck... If they do why pick the minimum? Maybe there is a slight potential advantage in a slightly larger bullet, hedge the odds. 9mm is the minimum caliber carried by uniform LE. Why go with the minimum? Did LE abandon 40 in favor of 9mm because 9mm was perceived as better? No. More like perceived as "good enough" and factor officers that are not "into" shooting and/or "small stature". If a nationwide AWB with arbitrary and stupid 10 round limit is ever a thing, I predict that demand for 40 will increase. The G22 held 15rds. The G23 held 13rds. The Sig P229 and P226 held 12rds. The HK USP held 13rds and the USP Cpompact held 12rds. The Beretta 96 and S&W 4006 held 11rds. The G37 in .45 GAP was a G17/G22 sized gun that held exactly 10rds of ammo. Their entire logic behind it was "if you are limited to 10rds, then have the biggest bullet possible". That is why during the AWB, the 1911 and single stack .45 ACP DA/SA guns gained popularity. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 10:03:11 AM EDT
[#46]
2 of the most listed reasons for 9 over 40 I see is "capacity", and, "9 is just about as good with modern constructed bullets".
My G23 holds only 2 less rds than a G19 and I want my carry gun to be more decisive with ANY type bullet I may have to use. What if hollow points or expanding bullets get outlawed? Or even, what if the new super bullet you're carrying doesn't perform as advertised for whatever(dozens) reason? One other reason I see 9 supposedly beats 40 is in controllability. Not a problem for ME anyway. I don't fault anyone for what they carry. I'll stick to my 40 for EDC off duty. As an aside, we are switching to 9mm where I work for duty guns. I won't feel undergunned with it by any stretch. I can put them where I need to when I have to. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 10:18:43 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope.... Honestly, GLOCK was hedging their bets on the Clinton AWB being renewed in 2004 and they hedged their bets with the .45 GAP. Why? Because people were pissed off even with .40 S&W being limited. The G22 held 15rds. The G23 held 13rds. The Sig P229 and P226 held 12rds. The HK USP held 13rds and the USP Cpompact held 12rds. The Beretta 96 and S&W 4006 held 11rds. The G37 in .45 GAP was a G17/G22 sized gun that held exactly 10rds of ammo. Their entire logic behind it was "if you are limited to 10rds, then have the biggest bullet possible". That is why during the AWB, the 1911 and single stack .45 ACP DA/SA guns gained popularity. Glock 26/27 made in response to 94 AWB first; I was among those that bought both not long after they were introduced. I have a Glock 38 and 39 as well. The 38 is alright, I never warmed up to the 39 much. If I were under a 10 round limit, the 38 would be an acceptable choice, it was originally designed for 10 rounds or less. Glock 30SF holds 10 rounds 45 acp and was designed for it; I'd take 10 rounds 45 acp over 8 rounds 45 GAP. 45 GAP might gain some popularity if a nationwide AWB ever happened but 40 (and 45 acp) would benefit more. A Glock 23 with a arbitrary and stupid 10 round mag? Nope, no thanks. Glock 27? Yes, it was made for 10 rounds or less. Shield 40 fits that too. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 11:56:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: 2 of the most listed reasons for 9 over 40 I see is "capacity", and, "9 is just about as good with modern constructed bullets". My G23 holds only 2 less rds than a G19 and I want my carry gun to be more decisive with ANY type bullet I may have to use. What if hollow points or expanding bullets get outlawed? Or even, what if the new super bullet you're carrying doesn't perform as advertised for whatever(dozens) reason? One other reason I see 9 supposedly beats 40 is in controllability. Not a problem for ME anyway. I don't fault anyone for what they carry. I'll stick to my 40 for EDC off duty. As an aside, we are switching to 9mm where I work for duty guns. I won't feel undergunned with it by any stretch. I can put them where I need to when I have to. Statements like this are pretty common. The problem is that other than barrier penetration 40 has pretty much no advantage over 9mm. It isn’t a little better it’s the same. People tried making the same argument about 45 being “a little bit better” but when it comes to testing and actual terminal results the advantage is non existent. Every caliber has its positives and negatives but of the main 3 9mm seems to be the clear choice but so many are stuck with the bigger is better mentality. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 1:30:54 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Statements like this are pretty common. The problem is that other than barrier penetration 40 has pretty much no advantage over 9mm. It isn’t a little better it’s the same. People tried making the same argument about 45 being “a little bit better” but when it comes to testing and actual terminal results the advantage is non existent. Every caliber has its positives and negatives but of the main 3 9mm seems to be the clear choice but so many are stuck with the bigger is better mentality. You are definitely oh so correct about my choice being based on my mentality. I base my opinions on worst case scenarios, not ideal. And, I know my opinions and choices may not always be the best for anyone else. I still stubbornly cling to 7.62 NATO even though 5.56 will be "adequate" for 99.5% of any situation. I don't want people splitting my gear over my rotting corpse because I was in one of the other 5% of situations. If I had to island hop with my Marine Corps predecessors, I would of humped a 10 pound Garand or Thompson with less ammo than a M1 carbine weighing 5 pounds with more ammo. Also, in hindsight I see that I actually deviated from the OPs original query. So to answer that. No. I believe 40 S&W is here to stay. *caveat. I am not a gun expert and there is not a Holiday Inn within 50 miles of me. |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 8:15:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love the .40. Always have. But I don't mind that others hate it. 40s are cheap now. You’re not alone... |
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