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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: SF got Glock 19's because they wanted Glock 19's. http://www.defensereview.com/glock-19-g19-compact-9mm-combat-tactical-pistol-why-us-special-forces-sf-adopted-it-a-little-history/ That article really doesn't go into how a MIPR or transfer of government property would work. Essentially its just a wordy way of saying that since SOF units are Title X supported by two different entities, those entities have separate and different procurement processes. So, I can totally believe that USSOCOM found out about DHS or DOD sourced pistols and had them transferred onto their property logs and thence issued. Doubly so if someone wrote a JUON stating that A) we need a compact 9mm pistol B) we found out entity X is sitting on 10000 of them C) can you please source these from entity X? During the standup of Iraqi security forces, there were all sorts of COTS pistol purchases made, including Smith, Glock, Walther and Sig. ETA: I never have seen any combined number of how many or what types of COTS pistols were sourced for partner force issue, or how many we retained or resold. I know for example that at least two CA and one PSYOP unit were carrying P99s through multiple pumps in Iraq. |
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1: That article really doesn't go into how a MIPR or transfer of government property would work. Essentially its just a wordy way of saying that since SOF units are Title X supported by two different entities, those entities have separate and different procurement processes. So, I can totally believe that USSOCOM found out about DHS or DOD sourced pistols and had them transferred onto their property logs and thence issued. Doubly so if someone wrote a JUON stating that A) we need a compact 9mm pistol B) we found out entity X is sitting on 10000 of them C) can you please source these from entity X? During the standup of Iraqi security forces, there were all sorts of COTS pistol purchases made, including Smith, Glock, Walther and Sig. ETA: I never any combined number of how many or what types of COTS pistols were sourced for partner force issue, or how many we retained or resold. I know for example that at least two CA and one PSYOP unit were carrying P99s through multiple pumps in Iraq. Don't forget the Ruger P95 from Armor branch procurement. CD |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1: ETA: I never have seen any combined number of how many or what types of COTS pistols were sourced for partner force issue, or how many we retained or resold. I know for example that at least two CA and one PSYOP unit were carrying P99s through multiple pumps in Iraq. There were definitely a lot of different pistols out there. I remember back in 2005, one of our young officers that was working with a PRT and SF team in Ninewa was carrying what I believe was a Sig SP2022 (it was a polymer frame Sig, and I think that was the model that was around in 2005). He didn't have a pistol and was participating in engagements with locals, so the team he was working with loaned it to him for the deployment. |
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Originally Posted By Warlord2: The HKs weren't that bad from a maintenance prospective. Most of the issues came from the .40 155gr, it literally beat the guns to death. Even though both the P2000 and P229 were both tested to 10K rounds without failure with the original parts, nothing can promote the longevity of the pistol more that replacing the recoil spring. Unless I'm forgetting something, the only large scale problem I recall was CBP Air and Marine with a saltwater corrosion issue. A small number of the Customs G19s had a barrel drop issue which lead to a distinctive type of failure to feed. Glock supplied numerous magazine iterations, each with a different magazine follower angle. These were designated by a dot and then a series of single numbers on the back of the magazine. This fix was still in progress after the formation of DHS. |
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Here are pics from a celebrity/SF charity shoot. You can see one is a Glock 34 with Holosun, others are standard with Delta Point. Attached File Attached File |
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Does anyone remember CPT. Chang passing out the Glock 18’s at K2? I snagged 2 for my ODA prior to our trip to J-bad! We had to return them, but they were fun while we had them. Does anyone remember learning w only had 5k of 9mm at K2? Yeah, that was my ODA that bogarted it! 18Z50 |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/A0C3666E-2207-4825-A74E-ADF5756F193E_jpe-1803551.JPG Fucking hot |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/A0C3666E-2207-4825-A74E-ADF5756F193E_jpe-1803551.JPG That’s so awesome. Seeing some shots of the older setups is neato. Not sure how to make this show but here’s a shot of Mike Glovers threaded g22 with AAC can https://www.instagram.com/p/CKWkEZBLwMG/?igshid=12abz40qyved3 [instagram] https://www.instagram.com/p/CKWkEZBLwMG/?igshid=12abz40qyved3 [/instagram] Looks to be the same setup from earlier in the thread with the Dawson night sights and G22AAC code |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/A0C3666E-2207-4825-A74E-ADF5756F193E_jpe-1803551.JPG I’m betting that’s a G35 and G22 |
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Originally Posted By Wyominer: I'm betting that's a G35 and G22 It does make me wonder if the 34/35 slide was thrown onto the frame and if it's mismatched. Definitely got me wanting a six second mount again. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/A0C3666E-2207-4825-A74E-ADF5756F193E_jpe-1803551.JPG Is that an XVL2 on the 6SM? Also looks like it has Crimson Trace grips on it... |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Could be 34s and a 17. No real way of knowing unless we get more info from the guy who took it. It does make me wonder if the 34/35 slide was thrown onto the frame and if it's mismatched. Definitely got me wanting a six second mount again. Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By Wyominer: I'm betting that's a G35 and G22 It does make me wonder if the 34/35 slide was thrown onto the frame and if it's mismatched. Definitely got me wanting a six second mount again. Reason I’m leaning on the 35,22 is based on what Pressburg has said about 17s with kkm comps not cycling reliably. |
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Maybe, but we do know 17s are used. JSOC: Attached File |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Maybe, but we do know 17s are used. JSOC: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/B241E989-D5A1-446B-BDC0-D8354BBF9B52_jpe-1804708.JPG What brand of grip attachment is that? |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Maybe, but we do know 17s are used. JSOC: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/B241E989-D5A1-446B-BDC0-D8354BBF9B52_jpe-1804708.JPG Do you know what timeframe JSOC/CAG went from 22/35s to 17s |
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Originally Posted By Boom_Stick: What brand of grip attachment is that? Originally Posted By Boom_Stick: Originally Posted By LsuJon: Maybe, but we do know 17s are used. JSOC: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/B241E989-D5A1-446B-BDC0-D8354BBF9B52_jpe-1804708.JPG What brand of grip attachment is that? Chuck Pressburg 3D printed his own, it honestly looks like his |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/B0B9E401-943D-4F2A-A73D-17DC647809E8_jpe-1826578.JPG Quick everyone start grabbing up the Strike Eagles for their clone builds! |
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Neat thread, lots of cool info. My first exposure to Glock in the .mil was when I was helping some Army dude clean out the bed of truck (Hilux) and saw .40 casings in the bed. I was like "dude you shooting .40?", "yup" was the answer and he had a G22 on his hip. I could take a wild guess who he was working for. With other Army cats carrying Glock 19's and seeing the breakage on 226's I was sold on Glock during that time frame. Sold my Sig Sauers and haven't looked back. |
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Originally Posted By gwood188: Quick everyone start grabbing up the Strike Eagles for their clone builds! Originally Posted By gwood188: Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/B0B9E401-943D-4F2A-A73D-17DC647809E8_jpe-1826578.JPG Quick everyone start grabbing up the Strike Eagles for their clone builds! Yeah, that picture's getting saved for the next Strike Eagle bashing thread in GD 
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Originally Posted By Eames: I also see a heavily milled Glock slide in frame. We're assuming that is SF gear? |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Its an SF case, wether that glcok is his personal idk. Seems like a stretch to be allowed a personal firearm even for socom, but idk. Maybe CD could comment on that. He (the guy who is issued the case) did state that upper was built for them and is a .223 wilde so maybe they also acquired the glocks the same way. Not a standard Glock or upper. No clue on the issue CD |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Eames: I also see a heavily milled Glock slide in frame. We're assuming that is SF gear? Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Not a standard Glock or upper. No clue on the issue Note that it also appears to be a Gen 5 frame, modified. Ambi slide release, modified trigger guard, and "gas pedal" cut on the frame (I think that's the term for it). |
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Note that it also appears to be a Gen 5 frame, modified. Ambi slide release, modified trigger guard, and "gas pedal" cut on the frame (I think that's the term for it). |
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Originally Posted By Ahab: I bet those Gen 5 Glock 17s in this thread with Deltapoint Pros are actually Glock 17 MOS3 models.. milled by Glock specifically for the DPP.. Are you saying they're Gen 3? Cause... No. |
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Originally Posted By monkeypunch: He's guessing they are new Gen 5 G17s with the MOS3 factory cut. Ah. Gotcha. What's MOS3? ETA: found a CHPWS IG post on it. What's the deal with it? Commercial availability? I've been wanting a G17.5. Live to get my hands on this setup. |
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Yes this exactly. You can see in a couple pics that they aren’t MOS models I.e. with multiple baseplates. I wondered who did the milling but now reading about the “MOS3” I.e. “deltapoint specific milling” being a Glock product done for a military contract... I think that’s what we’ve been seeing in those pics of Gen 5 G17s with Deltapoints. Originally Posted By monkeypunch: He's guessing they are new Gen 5 G17s with the MOS3 factory cut. |
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Originally Posted By Ahab: Yes this exactly. You can see in a couple pics that they aren’t MOS models I.e. with multiple baseplates. I wondered who did the milling but now reading about the “MOS3” I.e. “deltapoint specific milling” being a Glock product done for a military contract... I think that’s what we’ve been seeing in those pics of Gen 5 G17s with Deltapoints. When I saw the MOS3, I assumed it was done for a military contract. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/B0B9E401-943D-4F2A-A73D-17DC647809E8_jpe-1826578.JPG Interesting, looks like a Zev slide in there... |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/56A28E06-5590-4A3A-8D1D-4728307EFEB1_jpe-1860309.JPG Good picture, thanks for sharing Jon |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/56A28E06-5590-4A3A-8D1D-4728307EFEB1_jpe-1860309.JPG What I notice is that it looks like all the g19's have the beavertail/filler piece. M4 stocks are now tier 1 again. 
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Those would be a mod added by the operator most likely. Probably doesn’t like the Glock geometry Attached File |
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Originally Posted By demoMouse: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/427499/CEB6BA61-6C6F-48F4-BA80-EE7A7BEB2FA5_jpe-1864044.JPG Reminds me of the days when we mounted M68s to our 240Bs |