[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 320 SELF FIRING (Page 2 of 2)
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If they had gone with the P250, they wouldn't have had this issue. It only goes off after a loooong trigger pull and sometimes not even then. Attached File |
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Quoted: So much emotion, Even to the point of posting the Airman’s picture in an attempt to provoke an emotional response. That is just Disgraceful. I am retiring from the Army after 34 years of service, 14 years as a competitor and smalls arms trainer, and 8 years experience with the P320/M17. I have trained several thousand Soldiers on the M17 platform over the years and seen it take all kinds of abuse. I have seen parts break, I have seen rear sights come off, and I have seen my fair share of Negligent discharges by Privates, Sergeants, and even a 2 Star General. I have seen all the videos, heard all the stories, and read more than my fair share of completely biased and ignorant posts on both sides. Is there an issue? I am not convinced yet. It is tragic that a U.S. Airmen lost his life, hell it’s tragic when anyone is injured from a firearms related incident. But the loss or injuries sustained does not prove a mechanical defect. Some of the most respected Professional Gunsmiths in the industry are right now tearing this thing apart and trying to find out if there is an actual mechanical defect in the P320 mechanism and if so would try to work with Sig to fix the problem. But thats not good enough for the Living room commandos and 50 round a month “competitive shooters” on these boards. Fact is, there is a group of people on this board and many others who really don’t care if there is an actual problem, they just want to up their post counts by calling people “Sig Shills” or “Fanboys”, and that’s fine. Live on the boards all you want, trust rumors and made up stories by people trying to cover down on their careers because of making a mistake, or having a momentary lapse of attention. I will trust my experiences and wait for the professionals to complete their studies and exhaust every possible scenario to determine an actual cause. I will also wait for the AF to complete their investigation on the Airmen’s death. After that I will decide the fate of my M17s and M18s moving forward. Fact is, I don’t care either way. Yes, I really enjoy shooting the M17, it is absolutely one of my favorite guns, but if there is a mechanical issue I want it discovered so a it can be remedied. Thank you @Bruce Gray and @Sig Guy for your efforts. Grayguns Cp Disgraceful to post the Airman's service photo? You think I'm doing this to pad my post count? Jesus, pal, I started the Tech Index thread two months ago to index the flood of tests and videos coming in so WE WOULDN'T HAVE A SERVICE PHOTO TO POST! |
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The only "fix" for the SIG p320 is the shredder. Seriously, I wouldn't even keep one around as a range toy. Here is the best technical analysis of the issues surrounding the p320 that I have seen. The best part is this YouTuber (although a SIG fan), uses a Glock as a comparison when discussing the particulars of the fire control systems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq_Te7IGHWw&list=WL&index=1&t=2s This will also make it clear to you why SIG has refused to offer any "fixes" to the military and why they will never offer any fixes. It's because the p320 design is so horrendous it is not "fixable". The p320 is totally the modern day equivalent of the WWII era Japanese Type 94 Nambu pistol; considered by many to be the worst, most dangerous pistol ever designed. |
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Quoted: The only "fix" for the SIG p320 is the shredder. Seriously, I wouldn't even keep one around as a range toy. Here is the best technical analysis of the issues surrounding the p320 that I have seen. The best part is this YouTuber (although a SIG fan), uses a Glock as a comparison when discussing the particulars of the fire control systems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq_Te7IGHWw&list=WL&index=1&t=2s This will also make it clear to you why SIG has refused to offer any "fixes" to the military and why they will never offer any fixes. It's because the p320 design is so horrendous it is not "fixable". The p320 is totally the modern day equivalent of the WWII era Japanese Type 94 Nambu pistol; considered by many to be the worst, most dangerous pistol ever designed. At least the safety on the type 94 actually prevented it firing by blocking the sear. It doesn’t appear that the 320 safety does that. So the type 94 may be safer lol |
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Quoted: At least the safety on the type 94 actually prevented it firing by blocking the sear. It doesn’t appear that the 320 safety does that. So the type 94 may be safer lol Quoted: Quoted: The only "fix" for the SIG p320 is the shredder. Seriously, I wouldn't even keep one around as a range toy. Here is the best technical analysis of the issues surrounding the p320 that I have seen. The best part is this YouTuber (although a SIG fan), uses a Glock as a comparison when discussing the particulars of the fire control systems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq_Te7IGHWw&list=WL&index=1&t=2s This will also make it clear to you why SIG has refused to offer any "fixes" to the military and why they will never offer any fixes. It's because the p320 design is so horrendous it is not "fixable". The p320 is totally the modern day equivalent of the WWII era Japanese Type 94 Nambu pistol; considered by many to be the worst, most dangerous pistol ever designed. At least the safety on the type 94 actually prevented it firing by blocking the sear. It doesn’t appear that the 320 safety does that. So the type 94 may be safer lol 
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I feel bad about the SIG 320 issues (mainly for owners) because I'm a real SIG fan.... with the caveat that I don't like striker fired guns. All my SIGs are hammer fired and are rock solid reliable and accurate. I do own other manufacturers pistols but they're hammer fired also. |
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Quoted: I feel bad about the SIG 320 issues (mainly for owners) because I'm a real SIG fan.... with the caveat that I don't like striker fired guns. All my SIGs are hammer fired and are rock solid reliable and accurate. I do own other manufacturers pistols but they're hammer fired also. Yeah I am kind of the same. I like my Rattler LT, and eventually want a Spear in 277. But Sig as a company is in a bad spot and they need to own up to their f ups with the P320. Instead they double down on the gun being 'safe.' |
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Quoted: Yeah I am kind of the same. I like my Rattler LT, and eventually want a Spear in 277. But Sig as a company is in a bad spot and they need to own up to their f ups with the P320. Instead they double down on the gun being 'safe.' Same. Own a Rattler, and a MCX Spear LT. Love everything in my P365 line. Have a flux raider that's amazing. I just hate how the company has handled all this, they're making it near impossible to support. |
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Quoted: Jesus, keep drinking that Kool-Aid, bro… Quoted: Quoted: Own them, shoot them, and/or carry them will confidence. DO NOT believe all of the hype and fallacies you are seeing. Jesus, keep drinking that Kool-Aid, bro… Funny you should say that. I drank some more Kool-Aid yesterday and picked up another P320.  Attached File |
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Quoted: P320’s were mediocre guns even before one ND’d and killed someone. Buying one now knowing they have issues is just dumb. I tend to disagree with you. I will not own a firearm unless it is dependable and of good quality. Of all 62 of my SIG pistols, 23 of them are P320s (one of which I just got yesterday). I have no issues with them. |
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Quoted: I tend to disagree with you. I will not own a firearm unless it is dependable and of good quality. Of all 62 of my SIG pistols, 23 of them are P320s (one of which I just got yesterday). I have no issues with them. Whatever mental gymnastics you need. Whether simply holding a P320 in hand or shooting one - for 10 years now there’s absolutely nothing about them that has ever been quality to me. |
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Quoted: I tend to disagree with you. I will not own a firearm unless it is dependable and of good quality. Of all 62 of my SIG pistols, 23 of them are P320s (one of which I just got yesterday). I have no issues with them. Quoted: Quoted: P320’s were mediocre guns even before one ND’d and killed someone. Buying one now knowing they have issues is just dumb. I tend to disagree with you. I will not own a firearm unless it is dependable and of good quality. Of all 62 of my SIG pistols, 23 of them are P320s (one of which I just got yesterday). I have no issues with them. I've never been mugged. I guess those people who all claim to be mugged are making excuses? 
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It is time for Sig to buy a Saddle.  Someone calls you a horse...Lucky Number Slevin |