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Posted: 1/27/2021 6:44:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw their artists' animated fold back. Doesn't shrink the mast height. Real-life Blackhawks: https://s.hdnux.com/photos/57/53/25/12498293/11/gallery_medium.jpg https://media.defense.gov/2013/Feb/04/2000079014/780/780/0/130202-A-WZ553-140.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did you see how the blades retract? https://s.hdnux.com/photos/57/53/25/12498293/11/gallery_medium.jpg https://media.defense.gov/2013/Feb/04/2000079014/780/780/0/130202-A-WZ553-140.JPG Just like how the VH-3s have to have their powertrain significantly wrenched on to fly anywhere, thus the VH-60s are used significantly more often away from home, these are going to be a bitch. But someone will wave their hands and say "but self deploy!!!" and they'll be accepted anyway despite the unstated need for more C-17 flights rather than self-deploying. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 6:47:31 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are these doors?  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/marineoneisawhat-1799476.jpg |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 6:51:16 PM EDT
[#3]
That video looks like cutscenes from some has been lame ass RTS game  |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:07:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Looks like a lot of PORK to me......
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:11:54 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks a little like an AH56 Cheyenne chopper. What's old is new again. How much more developed would it be if the Cheyenne had been funded? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:18:10 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are these doors? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/marineoneisawhat-1799476.jpg Exhaust ports. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:40:03 PM EDT
[#7]
Replace the POS you can't stand up in with another, more complicated POS you can't stand up in. Sounds grate!
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:42:17 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are these doors? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/marineoneisawhat-1799476.jpg Heat Escapes |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:44:23 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 years from now maybe after R&D. It’s real, and the R&D has been in process for over 10 years.. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:17:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does the "SEALs chopter" look like? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like the SEALs chopter in Osama raid. Ugly yes. But better in every aspect from the UH-60. The White house should go with this instead of the VH-92A What does the "SEALs chopter" look like? Like a UH-60 and an RAH-66 had a baby. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:39:18 PM EDT
[#11]
I requested to see Igor's office last time I was there.
They obliged. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:42:36 PM EDT
[#12]
Just what we need.
Spend baby spend!!! |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:50:35 PM EDT
[#13]
If they really want to revolutionize helicopters, why not adapt the Fenestron/Fantail design to the main rotor?
Ducted fan blades offer better performance, and it would almost eliminate the risk of hitting objects with the rotor tips. Fenestron:  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:56:10 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a ugly bitch But it flies so good I'm on top of it. - Buckcherry |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:59:17 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they really want to revolutionize helicopters, why not adapt the Fenestron/Fantail design to the main rotor? Ducted fan blades offer better performance, and it would almost eliminate the risk of hitting objects with the rotor tips. Fenestron: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__74__jpeg-1799846.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__75__jpeg-1799847.JPG |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:00:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they really want to revolutionize helicopters, why not adapt the Fenestron/Fantail design to the main rotor? Ducted fan blades offer better performance, and it would almost eliminate the risk of hitting objects with the rotor tips. Fenestron: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__74__jpeg-1799846.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__75__jpeg-1799847.JPG Lift to weight ratio... Kharn |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:20:51 PM EDT
[#17]
Chy-na gonna help build it?
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:38:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:41:20 PM EDT
[#19]
 Sikorsky-Boeing DEFIANT X Revealed DEFIANT X is purposefully designed for the U.S. Army’s Future Long Range Air Assault competition. First flight March 2019. The competition -  Bell V-280 Valor -- First Flight |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:47:28 PM EDT
[#20]
We need something like the HIND..
Something that can fight if need be. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:48:46 PM EDT
[#21]
The fuck does this mean? I couldn’t understand what terminology they were using talking about hover.
 Attached File |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:50:42 PM EDT
[#22]
Looks like a piece of crap. And lookin' cool is half of aerodynamics.
Gimme a Blackhawk any day over that garbage |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:54:11 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lift to weight ratio... Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If they really want to revolutionize helicopters, why not adapt the Fenestron/Fantail design to the main rotor? Ducted fan blades offer better performance, and it would almost eliminate the risk of hitting objects with the rotor tips. Fenestron: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__74__jpeg-1799846.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__75__jpeg-1799847.JPG Lift to weight ratio... Kharn But they did it in Avatar!  Attached File There's a very specific single shroud design I'm thinking of, but for the life of me can't remember which movie or video game it is from. The weight and rigidity of the shroud would be at odds with each other. Weight is a definite factor, but denting a shroud to where it contacts the rotor tips could be catastrophic. Vibration and flex would also be issues, I presume. I just think there has to be a better way than giant exposed rotors. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:55:35 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fuck does this mean? I couldn’t understand what terminology they were using talking about hover. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164368/7E98B6FF-84C1-48F4-9CD2-437EE150EC06_jpe-1799948.JPG Air density at high temps and elevation? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:04:58 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they really want to revolutionize helicopters, why not adapt the Fenestron/Fantail design to the main rotor? Ducted fan blades offer better performance, and it would almost eliminate the risk of hitting objects with the rotor tips. Fenestron: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__74__jpeg-1799846.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72701/OIP__75__jpeg-1799847.JPG The efficiency of a ducted rotor disappears at speeds about 65 mph when drag of the shroud takes over. Besides the weight, they are a bad idea. The rotor diameter must be as large as possible to move the greatest mass of air possible. Move large masses at low speed with propellers and rotors, move small masses at high speed with turbines. The tail rotor is parallel to the free stream, and the shroud adds a bit of safety, so it's an acceptable compromise. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:33:32 PM EDT
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They will have a hard time finding a replacement for such an awesome helicopter, known as the Jayhawk H60 in the Coast Guard. Will the new bird hold 30 people?
"In December 2000 a dramatic rescue took place 200 miles off the coast of Virginia. The cruise liner SeaBreaze I suffered an engine failure during a storm and soon began taking on water. One US Coast Guard HH-60J Jayhawk helicopter rescued 26 crewmembers. The helicopter, with 26 rescued sailors aboard, combined with its own four crewmen, set a new record for the most people aboard a single H-60." |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:45:00 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fuck does this mean? I couldn't understand what terminology they were using talking about hover. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164368/7E98B6FF-84C1-48F4-9CD2-437EE150EC06_jpe-1799948.JPG Elevation and temperature reduce capability. If you can hover with a payload of x pounds at sea level on a cool day, then on a hot day or at higher elevation you might only be able to carry a fraction of that. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 12:02:26 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a performance requirement. Hover at 6,000ft elevation on a 95degF day. Elevation and temperature reduce capability. If you can hover with a payload of x pounds at sea level on a cool day, then on a hot day or at higher elevation you might only be able to carry a fraction of that. I did see the Valor fly last time I was in TX. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 12:22:54 AM EDT
[#29]
That thing looks complicated as hell to work on.
As much as I may despise working on a Blackhawk at times it's less complicated than that thing. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 12:24:56 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a performance requirement. Hover at 6,000ft elevation on a 95degF day. Elevation and temperature reduce capability. If you can hover with a payload of x pounds at sea level on a cool day, then on a hot day or at higher elevation you might only be able to carry a fraction of that. Got it thanks! |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 12:29:49 AM EDT
[#31]
Fuck yeah, been waiting for quad turbo encabulators!
Merica!!!! B |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 11:00:26 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It poops from there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What are these doors? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/marineoneisawhat-1799476.jpg You're ok, I guess Quoted: Exhaust ports. Quoted: Heat Escapes Gotta say I'm real disappointed in you two though 
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Posted: 1/28/2021 11:24:39 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Army has over 2,000 blackhawks. No way you can replace 2,000 $15m blackhawk with a $50-100m fancy aircraft, there just isn't money for it. A lot of pockets get a green lining just to study or consider a product, even if there was never a plan to make it come to fruition. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 1:14:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They'll go full Comanche and "capability-add" it to death.  Sounds like damn near every army aviation program for the past couple decades. Having dealt with a few defense contractors, my biggest takeaway was that the movie The Pentagon Wars needs to be moved from the comedy genre to documentary. “We’ve had some astounding successes.” “Such as?” “That’s classified!” |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 1:16:27 PM EDT
[#35]
 SB1 Defiant Reaches Beyond 100 kts There are videos and pictures of the prototype out there. LM’s Flickr has some nice ones |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 1:18:04 PM EDT
[#36]
Trying to get Wussia to spend money it doesn't have? Heck, we don't have either.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 1:19:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And a few billion in Just what I was thinking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 20 years from now maybe after R&D. And a few billion in Just what I was thinking. FTFY |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 1:28:54 PM EDT
[#38]
6000ft, 95F. Hot and high requirement.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 1:46:11 PM EDT
[#39]
If you vent the exhaust down instead of to the rear then you can use it to sandblast your landing sites right down to bedrock.
Or, vent the exhaust to the sides and put the intake on the bottom. That way you can suck up soil and spray it out each side to obscure your landing site. Plus, if you land in a crowd you can blow the shirts off the hot bitches and marvel at the titties. I should have become an engineer. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 1:55:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And a few billion in cost overruns... Just what I was thinking. A few BILLION?!?! Dude you don't dream big enough. We can drop a trillion and not miss it these days. Spent $3 trillion in Iraq and got nothing for it. Or was it $2 trillion??? See what i mean! |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:01:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like damn near every army aviation program for the past couple decades. Having dealt with a few defense contractors, my biggest takeaway was that the movie The Pentagon Wars needs to be moved from the comedy genre to documentary. “We’ve had some astounding successes.” “Such as?” “That’s classified!” A former business associate of mine was a test pilot on RAH-66. According to him (who ought to know, he flew the damn thing), it was an incredible bird... they just couldn't stop making it more expensive and heavier.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:15:23 PM EDT
[#42]
In the video it spends a good bit if time operating in modern western cities.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:27:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The White house should go with this instead of the VH-92A Um, disagree. Then it will be another 20 years before POTUS gets a new ride. As if the base helicopter was bad enough, it's all the gee whiz tech that has to be integrated.  |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:34:48 PM EDT
[#44]
V280 faster and doesn’t look like a dolphin with missing chromosomes
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:51:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: V-22 Osprey all the things As a novice outside observer, I have always LOVED the V-22. But as it is, the basic design for the V-22 is now more than 30 years old, and the Blackhawk is around 50 years old. So the V-22 has that much more life in it, but I seriously doubt that the Army will buy any to replace the Blackhawk (even if they could or should). As per usual, people are trying to buy "leaps" ahead in capability, which will spend exactly as many years in development hell as it takes to become the only remaining option. Somewhere along the way, someone will ask what about the V-22 production line, and it will have been shut down 5 years before to free up money for the new shiny thing. As for the Defiant vs Valor debate, I wonder about the range. I haven't seen hard figures on that. If I had to guess, I would assume that the V-280 is the more efficient configuration. If the justifications for "Future Long Range" actually remain erm... long range... then it seems to me the V-280 makes much more sense for the Asia Pacific and Africa, where that's a serious factor. The air transportability fight has always amused me. Even though the Air Force has over 220 C-17s, and however many C-5s, I really don't think they give more of a shit than they are absolutely required to by Congress to move the Army around, and the fuzzy math of actually arriving with a meaningful amount of combat power on a given day has always left me scratching my head (Stryker, anyone?). Considering we don't yet have a C-17 replacement to match a new Army utility helo, don't be surprised if the "self deploying" capability gets harped on (and then later almost never used). People who are actually expert in keeping things in the sky, feel free to educate me. Dollah dollah bills y'all. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:52:16 PM EDT
[#46]
camanche looking
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Posted: 1/28/2021 2:53:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Defiant X could be the name of an anime series. Keep your hands where we can see them soy boys.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:10:45 PM EDT
[#48]
The Xiden administration will cancel the program.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:23:02 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Xiden administration will cancel the program. The program to watch is the Block 3 F-18E/F. The CFT was canned, and that means the airplane won't follow F-35's on long range strikes. On the other hand, the fleet is turning into high time aluminum oxide. The SLM rework is a mess, and I doubt it will improve. . |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 3:44:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The program to watch is the Block 3 F-18E/F. The CFT was canned, and that means the airplane won't follow F-35's on long range strikes. On the other hand, the fleet is turning into high time aluminum oxide. The SLM rework is a mess, and I doubt it will improve. . Lol. Navy will have no problem dumping more and more $s into the FRC to rebuild them. |
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