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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:45:10 PM EDT
these craft can hover and have some sort of anti gravity drive, yet they have huge pointless wings. lookin at you starwars
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:47:25 PM EDT
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Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:48:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Where else are you gonna hang weapons?
Duh. 
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:50:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. Quoted: Where else are you gonna hang weapons? Duh. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:54:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: these craft can hover and have some sort of anti gravity drive, yet they have huge pointless wings. lookin at you starwars https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271151/star_jpg-2799163.JPG Star Wars (EU canon pre-Disney, the only canon that I care about) was pretty clear on things like the X-Wing, or it's predecessor the Z95 Headhunter, being multi role and useful in the atmosphere. Of course with their tech level even things like a TIE fighter were capable in the atmosphere but it certainly gave the X-wing even more of an edge than it already had. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. they can hover and their thrust to weight ratio is through the roof. they don't need help from wings |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:56:38 PM EDT
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Starfury from Babylon 5 is an exception to that rule
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:57:11 PM EDT
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what are you gonna shape it like ? A cube ?
I prefer a battleship 
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:57:51 PM EDT
[#8]
I was just thinking about what a space battle would actually look like
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starfury from Babylon 5 is an exception to that rule https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/98/c7/3d98c737f31a525cbd222f978b744dd0.jpg 4 wings dude. Just sayin' |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what are you gonna shape it like ? A cube ? a sphere is more efficient with volume. borg are dumb |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 8:59:46 PM EDT
[#11]
You only know a sliver of the environments those things fly in. I don't know if I would be so certain.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:00:21 PM EDT
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You are forgetting the leverage any kind of reaction thrusters would have. The further out from the center of mass they are the greater force they have. This is also beneficial as less reaction mass is needed to perform any kind of rotation.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:00:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starfury from Babylon 5 is an exception to that rule https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/98/c7/3d98c737f31a525cbd222f978b744dd0.jpg The fact that they actually utilized Newtonian physics and portrayed it correctly was one of the cool things about B5. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:00:59 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just thinking about what a space battle would actually look like The Expanse probably got it closer than most sci-fi. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what are you gonna shape it like ? A cube ? [Borg] You will be assimilated for that question. [/Borg] |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:01:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where else are you gonna hang weapons? Duh. height over bore too much. maybe that's why they miss so much? droid aiming tech is horrible in that universe |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:01:50 PM EDT
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Do you even atmospheric flight OP? Even the space shuttle had wings
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: a sphere is more efficient with volume. borg are dumb Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: what are you gonna shape it like ? A cube ? a sphere is more efficient with volume. borg are dumb If it's going through atmosphere, it may have antigravity but it's still got to deal with friction, so it has to be streamlined. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:02:28 PM EDT
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Nerds wondering about nerdy things.
Nerd thread !  |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:03:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they can hover and their thrust to weight ratio is through the roof. they don't need help from wings Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. they can hover and their thrust to weight ratio is through the roof. they don't need help from wings I thought that the S-Foils on the X-Wing supposed to be heat sinks, at least according to the true and correct EU canon. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just thinking about what a space battle would actually look like  Battlestar Galactica | Best Space Battles |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:04:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they can hover and their thrust to weight ratio is through the roof. they don't need help from wings No matter what I'd think more aerodynamic efficiency would always be desirable. And most canon star wars airships/spaceships had ludicrously slow speeds outside of hyperspace. The millennium falcon might make the Kessel run in 12 parsecs, but canon top atmospheric speed was only 1200 kilometers per hour. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that they actually utilized Newtonian physics and portrayed it correctly was one of the cool things about B5. I appreciated that as well. If I remember correctly they didn’t have explosion noises in space either |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought that the S-Foils on the X-Wing supposed to be heat sinks, at least according to the true and correct EU canon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. they can hover and their thrust to weight ratio is through the roof. they don't need help from wings I thought that the S-Foils on the X-Wing supposed to be heat sinks, at least according to the true and correct EU canon. let's be honest, that's just super fan talk about trying to justify dumb and pointless designs they probably have an excuse for the exposed, single control station, window bridge design on the super star destroyers |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:25:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought that the S-Foils on the X-Wing supposed to be heat sinks, at least according to the true and correct EU canon. heat sinks in a vacuum???? |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's going through atmosphere, it may have anti-gravity but it's still got to deal with friction, so it has to be streamlined. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: what are you gonna shape it like ? A cube ? a sphere is more efficient with volume. borg are dumb If it's going through atmosphere, it may have anti-gravity but it's still got to deal with friction, so it has to be streamlined. Depends on your PSB*, really. Good enough reaction-less drive/anti-gravity and you you don't need to aerobrake when descending from orbit. Force-fields could be used to direct air around your craft as sort of virtual streamlining. There's all sorts of possibilities when you don't have to deal with grubby reality.  * Pseudo-Scientific Bullshit. A handy term I got from Jon at GZG lo these many years ago. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:30:51 PM EDT
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OP might be shocked to learn how many helicopters have "wings."
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:31:37 PM EDT
[#30]
It's sci-fi entertainment, not a reality show.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:31:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. Not with antigrav/lifter tech. Still makes no sense. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:33:25 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not with antigrav/lifter tech. Still makes no sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. Not with antigrav/lifter tech. Still makes no sense. Nothing about those wings suggests they are designed to provide lift. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:34:56 PM EDT
[#33]
Like the StarFury, the Colonial Vipers used thrusters (see BSG post above).
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:35:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: heat sinks in a vacuum???? |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:35:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what are you gonna shape it like ? A cube ? I prefer a battleship https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0455/4269/products/yamato.jpg?v=1425319110 where would we put the wave motion gun? |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starfury from Babylon 5 is an exception to that rule https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/98/c7/3d98c737f31a525cbd222f978b744dd0.jpg The SA-26 Thunderbolt Star Fury was capable of both atmospheric and space flight |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:39:49 PM EDT
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The 'wings' also get the thrusters out away from the center of gravity, improving manuverability, decreasing thruster size and reaction mass consumption.
And with a lot of the Star wlWars ships, as stated they were used to radiate excess heat. Tie series has the shield/shurtzen things on the sides for the same reason. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:40:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like the StarFury, the Colonial Vipers used thrusters (see BSG post above). I suppose you're talking the new show, as the old series was ridiculous with flight controls - even referenced "braking flaps." |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:41:19 PM EDT
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Quote Historyi stand corrected 
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:42:11 PM EDT
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Yes, a purple haired “lady” who “leads” her last rebels into a battle that loses half of her fighters or … maybe the final straw for me, Leia getting blown up and floating around in space and somehow flying back into a ship from space with no protection to somehow live (mind you, she’s dead in real life and this is the perfect way to finish her path in the series, but no … lets somehow make her defy all laws of nature and keep her alive so we can CGI her in to finish the movies).
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:45:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, a purple haired “lady” who “leads” her last rebels into a battle that loses half of her fighters or … maybe the final straw for me, Leia getting blown up and floating around in space and somehow flying back into a ship from space with no protection to somehow live (mind you, she’s dead in real life and this is the perfect way to finish her path in the series, but no … lets somehow make her defy all laws of nature and keep her alive so we can CGI her in to finish the movies). https://media1.tenor.com/images/cce98e0d01c720b6a4f697761721e526/tenor.gif?itemid=14607839 I'm Mary Poppins y'all! |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:46:08 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. Fuck, wouldnt they have to begin life in some planet's atmosphere? Gotta get through the air to get to.....nothing. 
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:46:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: what are you gonna shape it like ? A cube ? I prefer a battleship https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0455/4269/products/yamato.jpg?v=1425319110 I like how the space battleship has a wake reducing bulbous bow. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:48:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Spacecraft often take off, land and fly on planets. Planets often have atmosphere in which wings are very useful.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:50:04 PM EDT
[#45]
Harken: Seems odd you'd name your ship after a battle you were on the wrong side of.
Mal: May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:53:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing about those wings suggests they are designed to provide lift. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both of those enter atmosphere, so wings do make sense. Not with antigrav/lifter tech. Still makes no sense. Nothing about those wings suggests they are designed to provide lift. 
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:54:10 PM EDT
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None of those "wings" are airfoils or lift producing. Drag inducing appendages, or as posted above heat sinks or increase second moment of inertia.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:54:43 PM EDT
[#48]
Star Wars came out in May, 1977 and it took you 46 years to notice?
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:55:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where else are you gonna hang weapons? Duh. Those weapons look like toilet brushes. |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 9:57:11 PM EDT
[#50]
OP has never heard of solar wind.
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