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Posted: 6/28/2023 1:00:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:51:24 PM EDT
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Lithuania is purchasing 2 more nasams systems for the AFU and they are supposed to be delivered in the next 3 months.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 5:19:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 7:22:40 PM EDT
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 https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-patriot-kill-marks-hint-that-it-downed-aircraft-inside-russia So, daemon734 was right and Ukraine is indeed using Patriots to shoot down $20k Iranian drones. Edited to add:  Along with cheap ass glide bombs. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 7:34:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/07/03/Patriot.Bryansk.7.3.23.jpeg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1200 https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-patriot-kill-marks-hint-that-it-downed-aircraft-inside-russia So, daemon734 was right and Ukraine is indeed using Patriots to shoot down $20k Iranian drones. Edited to add: https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/07/03/Patriot7.3.23Top.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1200 Along with cheap ass glide bombs. The correct question is not "how much does the offensive weapon cost?" It's "How much is the defended asset worth?" If a $20K drone or cruise missile destroys a patriot radar, or oil refinery, would it have been smarter to shoot it down with whatever can do the job? Probably. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 7:48:33 PM EDT
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What ADA asset does the US intend to deploy to protect airspace from drones and how much does it cost?
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Posted: 7/3/2023 7:53:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What ADA asset does the US intend to deploy to protect airspace from drones and how much does it cost? Yes. We shut down the global economy, for 18 months, over the common cold. "if it saves just one life." You asked a logical question, but you are living in clown world now. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 7:55:23 PM EDT
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Imagine if the Covid money had been used for national defense. The Lockheed press release would be coming tomorrow for the 200,000th PAC-5 interceptor.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The correct question is not "how much does the offensive weapon cost?" It's "How much is the defended asset worth?" If a $20K drone or cruise missile destroys a patriot radar, or oil refinery, would it have been smarter to shoot it down with whatever can do the job? Probably. That is true, but those DALs Aare going to have a hell of a time staying defended if 25% of Patriots are burned on OWAs. It seems to consistently be a "tomorrow problem", but tomorrow will actually come one day. At some point there has to be a tear line both for them and for us. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is true, but those DALs Aare going to have a hell of a time staying defended is 25% of Patriots are burned on OWAs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The correct question is not "how much does the offensive weapon cost?" It's "How much is the defended asset worth?" If a $20K drone or cruise missile destroys a patriot radar, or oil refinery, would it have been smarter to shoot it down with whatever can do the job? Probably. That is true, but those DALs Aare going to have a hell of a time staying defended is 25% of Patriots are burned on OWAs. That's showbiz baby. Don't like it? Try playing more / better offense. A swift and vigorous transition to attack-the flashing sword of vengeance-is the most brilliant point of the defensive. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:20:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's showbiz baby. Don't like it? Try playing more / better offense. Quote HistoryQuoted: That's showbiz baby. Don't like it? Try playing more / better offense. That's our plan, doesn't seem to be working for everyone. Quoted: What ADA asset does the US intend to deploy to protect airspace from drones and how much does it cost? The Raytheon Coyote at $15K a pop. It was also layered with NASAMs in CENTCOM to burn older A2A missiles, but the few that were made ended up in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Raytheon Coyote at $15K a pop. It was also layered with NASAMs in CENTCOM to burn older A2A missiles, but the few that were made ended up in Ukraine. We have tens of thousands of them and sufficient launchers to cover a 2000km front? Nice. Interesting about NASAMs though, I’ve never been able to find a public reference to the US using them anywhere but DC. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 8:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have tens of thousands of them and sufficient launchers to cover a 2000km front? Nice. Interesting about NASAMs though, I’ve never been able to find a public reference to the US using them anywhere but DC. Not yet, no. You said intend to deploy. We intend to do a lot of things, its the doctrinal answer we aren't fully prepared for yet. We barely have enough to cover Iraq and Syria. We had NASAMs systems in CENTCOM but moved them to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's our plan, doesn't seem to be working for everyone. US ADA be like  
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Posted: 7/3/2023 9:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not yet, no. You said intend to deploy. We intend to do a lot of things, its the doctrinal answer we aren't fully prepared for yet. We barely have enough to cover Iraq and Syria. We had NASAMs systems in CENTCOM but moved them to Ukraine. Seems like the army got caught again being fucked up like Polio. |
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Posted: 7/7/2023 5:56:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2023 10:48:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2023 11:15:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2023 11:16:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2023 2:43:04 PM EDT
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Not surprising. Russia is shifting attacks to cities that don’t have Patriot batteries.
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Posted: 8/3/2023 3:57:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/6/2023 6:03:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:14:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as "procurement" vs "production"...your statement that it has all started to increase and the output is there will be true....in several years. It absolutely is not correct now at all. Production rates for a lot of these complex systems was already low for years. Covid dropped most production to nothing and it still hasn't recovered. Waving money at it and writing contracts didn't magically solve that problem. A friend from childhood works for one of the high tech defense contractors. He told me that DoD sent a purchase order for something like 1000 per month. They currently produce approximately 30 per.....year. And the last few years have been assembly of parts in stock. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:32:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, more of my money will be sent to them Trickle down theory...got to grease the politicos on both ends first. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:33:23 AM EDT
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born with an unusual condition... palms on both sides of his hands
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:35:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/07/03/Patriot.Bryansk.7.3.23.jpeg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1200 https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-patriot-kill-marks-hint-that-it-downed-aircraft-inside-russia So, daemon734 was right and Ukraine is indeed using Patriots to shoot down $20k Iranian drones. Edited to add: https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/07/03/Patriot7.3.23Top.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1200 Along with cheap ass glide bombs. It's not like they're paying for them...and we get rid of ours and buy new stuff from our own MIC Buy Ratheon I guess..not like Ike didn't give us a heads up...and Vietnam was really never about "winning"... imo |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:51:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What in the fuck do your Grindr pen pals have to do with Pakistani Anza 2 MANPADs? You were buying Pakistani SAM's? Neato. You are the great value lord of war. Your irrelevant personal armored vehicle experience aside, everyone else whose job it is to look at them says they are shit. Even though you had a stroke and confused SAMs with AFV's, I can still reasonably assure you I have a LOT more time in Ukrainian armored vehicles than you do, especially considering your time is sitting at zero. 5 systems in 18 months eh? I guess your definition of quick is much different than mine, as well as your thoughts on the impact 5 systems will have on anything 18 months from now. I don't have to, because they already burned up their non-strategic systems shooting them at Shaheds. It's not a problem anymore when you have nothing left. Nuttier than a big dump of squirrel shit.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:51:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not surprising. Russia is shifting attacks to cities that don’t have Patriot batteries. What? That's something a war monger would do. Not peace loving russia. LIES |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 7:52:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that speculation, open source or oversharing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't have to, because they already burned up their non-strategic systems shooting them at Shaheds. It's not a problem anymore when you have nothing left. Is that speculation, open source or oversharing? Scott Ritter, McDumpshit or his pals from RT told him that. So it MUST be true. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 10:50:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDetailed and informative. Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 11:07:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/6/2023 11:23:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thankfully Raytheon is expanding patriot production 200% from 5 to 12 units per year. So one a month. 2 different sources on the missiles, one says 160 a year that's being doubled and another says 500 per year and going to 550 by the end of 2023. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What expertise do you bring to this discussion? It's certainly not in English, nor logic. What's been argued is that our magazines are low, and frankly that's pretty well known and has been for six months or better since the SECNAV brought it up publicly. Thankfully Raytheon is expanding patriot production 200% from 5 to 12 units per year. So one a month. 2 different sources on the missiles, one says 160 a year that's being doubled and another says 500 per year and going to 550 by the end of 2023. Orders for something is not the same as production of same Raytheon production staff is thin on the ground and a lot of institutional knowledge has retired. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 11:24:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I checked poland and the UK were snagging 100-200 containers monthly. Source? |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 11:40:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Orders for something is not the same as production of same Raytheon production staff is thin on the ground and a lot of institutional knowledge has retired. You'll notice all of the sources on increased production use terms such as "anticipates", "plans to", "aims to", etc. Everybody is just hoping the supply and skilled labor problems will all subside in time for contract deadlines to be met, which are typically years out anyway. https://leehamnews.com/2023/01/25/ge-raytheon-report-orders-surges-but-labor-and-supply-chain-headwinds/ |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 8:24:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 8:50:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2023 8:59:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey have a lot of plans. The Army plans on standing up SHORAD too. In reality the Army continues to shrink. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 9:03:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have a lot of plans. The Army plans on standing up SHORAD too. In reality the Army continues to shrink. Yeah, I was running the math in my head a couple days ago trying to figure out how this is viable |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 9:04:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because I am in contact with some folks in the Ukrainian army who are in an artillery battery. They have 109s and Krabs. Dude I hope you are reporting these foreign contacts when you fill out your security clearance paperwork. You are, right? |
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