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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:33:56 PM EDT
[#1]
Because they are the ones who like to get their shit pushed in?
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:34:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Projecting what they want.
Note: reality and dreams are two different things. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:34:35 PM EDT
[#3]
The Democrats lost the last civil war they were in. It took a civil war to get the Bolsheviks in charge. It was the same with the red Chinese. They have a blueprint.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:35:05 PM EDT
[#4]
Because if you try to have your state peaceably leave their bullshit the left will send people to kill you.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:35:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they are the ones who like to get their shit pushed in? My man! 
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:36:13 PM EDT
[#6]
lol
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:36:50 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It took a civil war to get the Bolsheviks in charge. It was the same with the red Chinese. They have a blueprint. And there it is If they pass the feel a buster buster, then they can probably avoid it Or whatever What might happen is they push so hard the right reacts with guns, then after that short lived shitshow happens we can move on to the real communism. Unfortunately for the "fuck around and findout" and "send bachelors" crowd they know that's all you got and how you're gonna come. It's a losing move. And then after you lose it'll give them the reason to gut or get rid of the 2A. Or whatever Unlike the right they have multiple approaches going on at the same time to get what they want. Look at voting for example. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:37:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they are the ones who like to get their pushed in?  |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:38:24 PM EDT
[#9]
It will allow them the pass legislation that otherwise would be outrageous.
Nobody I know has ever remotely suggested that as a solution to America's problems. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:39:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As much as that gives people the warm and fuzzies to say and think, this conflict is not going to be clean, short, or even remotely easy. I never made any of those claims. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:40:04 PM EDT
[#11]
FPNI!
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:41:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:42:20 PM EDT
[#13]
They are trying to work themselves into a frenzy hoping it will help the mental illness affecting most of them
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:42:34 PM EDT
[#14]
The Left wants to gin up the idea of a civil war to justify government preemptively coming after those who they feel might fight against what they wish to do. It’s not to recruit, it’s a tactic of building consensus that we are all enemies that the gov needs to eliminate. Just a guess, but that’s my read on it.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:42:36 PM EDT
[#15]
who you callin' rabble, you blue scumbelly.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:42:39 PM EDT
[#16]
They told us why, because they want to shred the constitution.
If they get a civil war they can become the petty tyrants they've always wanted to be. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:42:58 PM EDT
[#17]
For an excuse to propose gun roundup most likely.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:43:33 PM EDT
[#18]
DC was boarded up on election night 2020 and it wasnt because they thought the right would storm the white house that night if trump lost
fuck em |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:44:45 PM EDT
[#19]
because they've spent decades infiltrating the military, and they feel ready.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:44:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:46:54 PM EDT
[#21]
I find it as odd as all the guys on the right who talk about secession. What's the meaning of that Gettr logo and the meaning of the word?
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:48:20 PM EDT
[#22]
Still sore about losing the first one?
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:49:10 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Left wants to gin up the idea of a civil war to justify government preemptively coming after those who they feel might fight against what they wish to do. It’s not to recruit, it’s a tactic of building consensus that we are all enemies that the gov needs to eliminate. Just a guess, but that’s my read on it. This. It's right out of both the Commie and Nazi playbook. You have to dehumanize and demonize your chosen scapegoat first, and sow fear of that group among everyone else, so the following genocides have some kind of evil and twisted "legitimacy" to them. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:49:42 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Projecting what they want. Note: reality and dreams are two different things. This is the issue. They want a civil war but they don’t think they’ll be fighting it. Or they don’t want to be. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:50:05 PM EDT
[#25]
They can talk that shit right now because the Commander in Chief is a Democrat
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:52:26 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And there it is If they pass the feel a buster buster, then they can probably avoid it Or whatever What might happen is they push so hard the right reacts with guns, then after that short lived shitshow happens we can move on to the real communism. Unfortunately for the "fuck around and findout" and "send bachelors" crowd they know that's all you got and how you're gonna come. It's a losing move. And then after you lose it'll give them the reason to gut or get rid of the 2A. Or whatever Unlike the right they have multiple approaches going on at the same time to get what they want. Look at voting for example. Lol. You think guns are the only weapons? |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:53:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They can talk that shit right now because the Commander in Chief is a Democrat If they pass the voter BS that will probably be all you get after. Or Maybe some weak RINO they can blame. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 8:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. You think guns are the only weapons? They aren’t even the best ones. Who grows the food? Guess what blue centers of power aren’t going to get any of? Goodluck with that. Any chance .gov will just come take your land? Luckily we have plenty of illegals that will be more than happy to work it if it means they stay fed. Or maybe they'll just work the 87000 acres Gates bought. Or whatever |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:02:11 PM EDT
[#29]
From one of the linked articles;
https://web.archive.org/web/20220114215831/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/next-us-civil-war-already-here-we-refuse-to-see-it What the American left needs now is allegiance, not allyship. It must abandon any imagined fantasies about the sanctity of governmental institutions that long ago gave up any claim to legitimacy. Stack the supreme court, end the filibuster, make Washington DC a state, and let the dogs howl, and now, before it is too late. The moment the right takes control of institutions, they will use them to overthrow democracy in its most basic forms; they are already rushing to dissolve whatever norms stand in the way of their full empowerment. Notice the central thing aimed at by all these actions: Crush federalism. Make it impossible to have any representation for anyone not like the left. It's inquisitorial bigotry. Note that the word "democracy" is nearly if not fully void of any meaning - it simply refers to any governmental power structure that gives the left power. The attempts to make the government more democratic (in the old sense - mob rule, literally, he with the most noses counted wins) are inherently anti-representation. Anyone not with the mob is crushed. "Do it now, before it's too late" - this is marcus's pre-censorship. It's not that published media and already made public comments should be censored ... no, it's that people shouldn't even be allowed to publish or say things in the first place. This is literally "crush dissent." |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:03:59 PM EDT
[#30]
When the left talks about fixing the government it's "revolution". But when the right talks about it, it's "insurrection".
OP is absolutely right, we need to get back to a system where the states have sovereignty and are "united" for common defense, economic prosperity, and shared infrastructure. And we need to fix immigration. Deport everyone that entered illegally, along with their children, pause legal immigration for 10 years, and when we start it back up, it's a merit based system where the most intelligent and wealthy people who can prove they can support their families are allowed in. No more national or ethnic quotas. And we need a new 2A. "All free Americans shall make, transfer, own, carry and use any weapons they choose, free from restriction, regulation or taxation." |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:08:00 PM EDT
[#31]
I think they are worried about losing the election and trying to provoke a cause if they don't win -i f they don't win an election (fairly or unfairly by cheating) they will claim its time to take it by force - they only believe in their freedom of choice and ideas - so much for their tolerance.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:08:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When the left talks about fixing the government it's "revolution". But when the right talks about it, it's "insurrection". OP is absolutely right, we need to get back to a system where the states have sovereignty and are "united" for common defense, economic prosperity, and shared infrastructure. And we need to fix immigration. Deport everyone that entered illegally, along with their children, pause legal immigration for 10 years, and when we start it back up, it's a merit based system where the most intelligent and wealthy people who can prove they can support their families are allowed in. No more national or ethnic quotas. And we need a new 2A. "All free Americans shall make, transfer, own, carry and use any weapons they choose, free from restriction, regulation or taxation." |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:10:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While we're wishing for things end welfare. If we did that, we might not need to work so hard at fixing immigration. Many would self-deport. Also, we speak English. I'd immediately stop all government publications and services in any other language. This will create a lot of private sector translator and facilitator jobs, which will be good for the economy. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:11:43 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If we did that, we might not need to work so hard at fixing immigration. Many would self-deport. Also, we speak English. I'd immediately stop all government publications and services in any other language. This will create a lot of private sector translator and facilitator jobs, which will be good for the economy. You might have my vote. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:12:01 PM EDT
[#35]
Say something enough times it often becomes true
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:24:14 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Democrats lost the last civil war they were in. It took a civil war to get the Bolsheviks in charge. It was the same with the red Chinese. They have a blueprint. You're correct that they have a blueprint, but it's not a proletarian style revolution like the ones you mentioned. Read about things like 'the long march through the institutions,' the Frankfurt School and the creation of critical theory, psychoanalysis, etc. The left realized they didn't have to win with guns, and that a global proletarian revolution wasn't going to happen, so they won by playing the long game through shaping culture, institutions, and politics. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:25:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/01/07/why-is-the-left-suddenly-talking-about-a-second-civil-war-n440042 Why is the left suddenly talking about a second Civil War? John Sexton Jan 07, 2022 3:25 PM ET Just a few months ago the Atlantic published a piece claiming that there was a group of conservatives preparing for a new civil war because the country was now so divided between the conservative right and the woke left. Since then, it seems the left is eagerly picking up on the civil war theme. A few days ago the Guardian published a piece titled "The next US civil war is already here we just refuse to see it." The author of the piece has just written a book predicting a civil war is coming soon. The United States today is, once again, headed for civil war, and, once again, it cannot bear to face it. The political problems are both structural and immediate, the crisis both longstanding and accelerating. The American political system has become so overwhelmed by anger that even the most basic tasks of government are increasingly impossible At this supreme moment of crisis, the left has divided into warring factions completely incapable of confronting the seriousness of the moment. There are liberals who retain an unjustifiable faith that their institutions can save them when it is utterly clear that they cannot. Then there are the woke, educational and political elites dedicated to a discourse of willed impotence. Any institution founded by the woke simply eats itself see TimesUp, the Women's March, etc becoming irrelevant to any but a diminishing cadre of insiders who spend most of their time figuring out how to shred whoever's left. They render themselves powerless faster than their enemies can The United States needs to recover its revolutionary spirit, and I don't mean that as some kind of inspirational quote. I mean that, if it is to survive, the United States will have to recover its revolutionary spirit. The crises the United States now faces in its basic governmental functions are so profound that they require starting over. The founders understood that government is supposed to work for living people, rather than for a bunch of old ghosts. And now their ghostly constitution, worshipped like a religious document, is strangling the spirit that animated their enterprise, the idea that you mold politics to suit people, not the other way around. I'm condensing this longer argument down to just three short paragraphs but I'm doing that because I think it gives you a sense of the beginning, middle and end of an argument that is gaining traction on the left. The war is here. The right is ready for it but the left is not. We need to burn down everything (including the Constitution) and start over because it's the only way. An even simpler summary might be: Panic now and then start the revolution. Yesterday over at Politico, John Harris sounded a note of caution about the rush to declare a new civil war. Normally, he pointed out, people fight a civil war over some great, irreconcilable issue. But what's the issue now? The real Civil War was about slavery at the start, to restrict its territorial expansion, by war's end to eliminate it entirely. Capitalists opposed to the New Deal knew why they loathed FDR he was fundamentally shifting the balance of power between public and private sectors and FDR knew, too: "They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred." The unrest of the 1960s was about ending segregation and stopping the Vietnam War. Only in recent years have we seen foundation-shaking political conflict both sides believing the other would turn the United States into something unrecognizable with no obvious and easily summarized root cause. What is the fundamental question that hangs in the balance between the people who hate Trump and what he stands for and the people who love Trump and hate those who hate him? This is less an ideological conflict than a psychological one A country that can have a civil war with no one really knowing what the conflict is about is one in which the muscles of governance are pitifully atrophied. The fact that there's no clear reason suggests this fringe idea is being adopted for some other reason. The very idea of a return to meaningful federalism - the federal government NOT being the spanish inquisition (I am not being hyperbolic with that comparison) that gets to tell all the people in different states how to live their lives in detail - stops them from getting their "progress." Federalism being re-born and vital again is what they will fight against. They are not grown up enough to live with people who are not like them. Finally, yesterday NY Times opinion columnist Michelle Goldberg also wrote about the next civil war, looking at various arguments and concluding a shooting war isn't likely but some kind of lower-level conflict seems inevitable. Goldberg herself notes the odd phenomenon of this topic going from the farthest fringes of the left and right to the pages of major papers in remarkably short time: it's absurd to treat civil war as a foregone conclusion, but that it now seems distinctly possible is still pretty bad. The fact that speculation about civil war has moved from the crankish fringes into the mainstream is itself a sign of civic crisis, an indication of how broken our country is. The sort of civil war that Walter and Marche worry about wouldn't involve red and blue armies facing off on some battlefield. If it happens, it will be more of a guerrilla insurgency. If Goldberg isn't fully convinced the war is coming, her commenters seem much more confident. A few samples:
Each of these comments has been upvoted many hundreds of times. These aren't just fringe voices, these are the best responses as voted on by readers of the NY Times. It's hard to draw a simple conclusion from the comments except that few of them seem to think the civil war talk is overblown. Many think things will get worse before they get better. It's hard not to see that as a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. To the degree Democrats and progressives convince themselves they need to get ready to fight a war, either to save democracy for the sake of some revolution to take us beyond our current democracy, it's difficult to see how the temperature and tone comes down. Tell people over and over that democracy is about to fail and revolution is the only option and some will believe it and begin to act accordingly. My own take is that all of this agita is about the fact that Democrats know they could lose a bunch of upcoming elections. They can't face that possibility so they're increasingly claiming the process is rigged and we're already at war. But as I said before, Democrats losing doesn't mean democracy has failed or civil war is at hand. It just means Democrats are unpopular and in a democracy, unpopular things can be made to go away. We need to plan to force our localities and states to become able to live without being on the federal dole. If we don't, states trying to make it where we can be not a raging leftist are going to get smacked in the face with a baseball bat by the feds. That doesn't have to happen. We are in the honeymoon phase re: pushing back at the state level. The left is going to try and end that asap. The Left knows they are losing big time. They will lose the House, Senate, a couple more governorships, then Pedo Joe and the Ho will get jammed up big time and that is if Pedo Joe makes it much past the mid terms. The Left will then go insane, problem for them is many of us know they will. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:25:35 PM EDT
[#38]
The absolute ignorance and isolation the chattering class on the left lives in is staggering:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220117005131/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/opinion/america-civil-war.html Walter argues that civil wars have predictable patterns, and she spends more than half her book laying out how those patterns have played out in other countries. They are most common in what she and other scholars call “anocracies,” countries that are “neither full autocracies nor democracies but something in between.” Warning signs include the rise of intense political polarization based on identity rather than ideology, especially polarization between two factions of roughly equal size, each of which fears being crushed by the other. Instigators of civil violence, she writes, tend to be previously dominant groups who see their status slipping away. “The ethnic groups that start wars are those claiming that the country ‘is or ought to be theirs,’” she writes. This is one reason, although there are violent actors on the left, neither she nor Marche believe the left will start a civil war. As Marche writes, “Left-wing radicalism matters mostly because it creates the conditions for right-wing radicalization.” It's absolutely amazing that they think this (the emphasis added part). They (the left) perceive that in 2022 they are going to become the previously dominant force. In fact, in the rest of the article, the author alludes to this very clearly by saying that some are saying america could become a right wing country, if not dictatorship by 2025. The author has literally hung herself on her own rope and not realized it. It doesn't matter that the outcome of 2022 is unknown - what matters is that the left part of the oligarchy *perceives* that they will lose power. The left owns the institutions in this country lock, stock, and barrel, they control ALL the commanding heights. They ARE the dominant group who see their status slipping away. The only thing stopping the federal level from going raging insane right now are two senators who want to get re-elected and they know for a fact they can end that in an instant with a rules change. The only thing holding them back is themselves, not anyone else. Yet they are fearful. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:28:04 PM EDT
[#39]
They have to get what ever agenda in before the 2024 elections. They know they are going to lose power for the next 8 years.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:30:03 PM EDT
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Realizing that - despite their most recent efforts - a largely armed USA will not accept the yoke of communism... The Globalists will have no choice but to either nuke or EMP the USA to accomplish their Globalist ambitions.
Edit: Even crashing the economy won't be enough.... |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:30:04 PM EDT
[#41]
That's what the democraps want, with them in office, and a civil war, the u.n. gets involved, guns get taken away, we lose our constitutional rights, boom, were Russia.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:32:45 PM EDT
[#42]
"the process is rigged and we're already at war."
This is already the case, and it hasn't been the Right persecuting and cancelling people about race, gender, baking cakes, getting the jab, and mean things from 30 years ago as-interpreted now. The question is, can we gin up enough [well justified] rage over a million infractions to actually do something about the Left's conquest of our country, or are we going to continue to mostly just roll over. 
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:33:08 PM EDT
[#43]
They want it.
I don't think the stateside commies would be a problem though. It's the Chinese, russkie, cuban and south American commies that would dogpile on us once we got started |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:33:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have to get what ever agenda in before the 2024 elections. They know they are going to lose power for the next 8 years. We have to keep making sure nobody on any side can cheat in elections in order for that to have any chance of happening. The fact that they're screaming to the high heavens that this is wrong-bad-evil don't do it just makes it more obvious which side benefits from election fraud the most. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:35:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryJust a few months ago the Atlantic published a piece claiming that there was a group of conservatives preparing for a new civil war I mean, you can find advocates of civil war in about 3 minutes on arfcom. Hell just scroll up. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:35:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: because they've spent decades infiltrating the military, and they feel ready. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:43:45 PM EDT
[#47]
The left have always been the bomb throwers, that's why. Who was in the streets burning cities? Who were the ones tearing down statues? Who is pushing all this Covid panic? Who is calling for fundamentally changing America? It's the left. If there is going to be a second civil war, it most certainly will be started by the left.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:43:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Because they know we are moving toward a national divorce for irreconcilable differences, yet the left want to maintain absolute power over citizens' every action.
We have been in a cold war for at least a decade. It is more a revolution than civil war, as half of America wants the freedoms, government and rule of law promised by the Constitution. The left doesn't. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:47:29 PM EDT
[#49]
They will not survive what they desire!
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Posted: 1/17/2022 9:47:49 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they know we are moving toward a national divorce for irreconcilable differences, yet the left want to maintain absolute power over citizens' every action. We have been in a cold war for at least a decade. It is more a revolution than civil war, as half of America wants the freedoms, government and rule of law promised by the Constitution. The left doesn't. It dates much further back than that. The left has been here, subverting our society and infiltrating our institutions since the early 20th century. Freud and his disciples arrived in the very early 20th century, military intelligence was warning of the threat posed by Marxism as early as the 1920s, and the Frankfurt School arrived just before WW2. We've been headed on this trajectory for quite some time, it's just that it became so painfully obvious in the last decade or so that the mainstream right could no longer ignore it. |
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