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Posted: 2/14/2021 3:33:52 AM EDT
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The four types of dogs you mention have, at some point, been the popular "badass/super dangerous dog" in the media.
Dobermans in the 80s. Hell, I still remember Zeus and Apollo from Magnum PI. Good luck. Dobies are great dogs. |
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Posted: 2/14/2021 3:42:03 AM EDT
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I think the list also is a de facto screening tool for the renters, not the dogs alone.
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Posted: 2/14/2021 9:13:36 AM EDT
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That list is too short. People in 1 BR apartments should not have any dog bigger than 10 pounds. OP might be the exception that actually has and spends the time and energy to train a larger breed. But since apartment owner has no idea who is renting year to year it's a good policy to restrict pet size IMO.
I had a roommate years ago that brought home a dobie pup. No warning or discussion. Had two problems with it. First, we both traveled for business. When the dog was a pup if he traveled the dog would cry non-stop. I could not stop it. It was very much bonded to he alone. Neighbors were not pleased. Second, I brought home a date when my room mate was gone and was cuddling in front of the fireplace and damn dog kept licking her ankles. I tried telling it that was my job but he would not stop. He was cock blocking me  |
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Posted: 2/14/2021 9:51:30 AM EDT
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Two thoughts:
1) People that know nothing about dogs make up those lists. 2) People living in a 1 bedroom apartment have no business owning a Doby. |
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Posted: 2/14/2021 10:03:29 AM EDT
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Get a dobe, don’t crop it’s ears or cut of the tail and just call it some kind of hound dog. No one will no the difference.
The dog takes on a completely harmless look w/o this classic features and people just awesome they are as gentle as they look with tails and regular dog ears... |
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Posted: 2/14/2021 10:23:50 AM EDT
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I was attacked by a Huge doberman when I was a kid, been nervous around them ever since. Also had multiple bad incidents with Chows.
Grandpa had an old Chow that would let me in the gate and be friendly. When I'd try to leave after riding the horses, he'd meet me at the gate trying to bite me. I kept a piece of metal pipe stuck in the fence by the gate to keep him off. After a near miss once where he was letting me pet him, then 2 minutes later trying to grab my leg, I told Grandpa "If you ever want to get rid of him I'd like to have him." Grandpa asked why, I told him I'd chain the dog to a pine tree and beat him to death with a claw hammer. I was happy when the dog died. Like the poster above said, cropping the ears and tail makes them look meaner. My red pit has a long tail and floppy ears and she's been a sweetheart baby to everyone for 7 or 8 years now. UPS and Fedex and USPS people have spoiled her rotten. |
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Posted: 2/14/2021 7:40:15 PM EDT
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Breed restrictions in and of themselves are not based on reality. Dobermans, pit bulls, and rottweilers are the breeds "everyone knows" are mean fighting dogs that will kill any babies that get near them for no reason.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 7:52:23 PM EDT
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I have two Dobermans. The only dogs I’ve been bit by were a Chow and Lab-mix.
Find another apartment complex. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:00:31 PM EDT
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FWIW, dobermans are one of the few breeds of dogs that were bred originally to be aggressive toward humans. That being said, they really don't stand out in terms of bites, severe bites, fatalities, etc.. Like almost everything else, HOAs are FOS.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:02:13 PM EDT
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Because when I was in elementary school a guy on my dirt road had two of them. Every day they would charge the fence. Barking and slobbering gnashing their teeth trying to kill me. I still hate that breed.
I got the last laugh. I married his granddaughter. We are divorced now.* I also called your apt manager and had them added to the list when i found out you were moving there. *this part is true |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:03:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Breed restrictions in and of themselves are not based on reality. Dobermans, pit bulls, and rottweilers are the breeds "everyone knows" are mean fighting dogs that will kill any babies that get near them for no reason. Hell, when we had our first kid, we had people ask us "What are you going to do with your dogs now?", and our dogs were certainly not the "typical" breeds. Some people just think all dogs are baby killers, especially dogs that aren't coffee-cupped size. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:09:10 PM EDT
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Find another apartment
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The four types of dogs you mention have, at some point, been the popular "badass/super dangerous dog" in the media. Dobermans in the 80s. Hell, I still remember Zeus and Apollo from Magnum PI. Good luck. Dobies are great dogs. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:34:38 PM EDT
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Dobermans were very popular as guard dogs /attack dogs.
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Posted: 2/15/2021 8:57:26 PM EDT
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FPNI
Dobes were the 1980’s pit bull. Completely undeserving of it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2021 10:22:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2021 11:21:01 PM EDT
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Buy a house, then get a dobie.
Snakes also make good apartment pets. They are quiet, non-destructive, and take up very little space. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:32:25 AM EDT
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When the breed was developed in the late 1800s, their sole purpose was to be a personal protection dog. That has since been bred out of them and it's actually difficult to find one that can do that work now. They were the bad dog back in the 70s/80s before rottweilers and now pit bulls. If you do get one be very careful screening breeders, they have a lot of health problems that need to be screened for that the backyard breeder on craigslist won't bother testing for.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 7:41:48 PM EDT
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We have had at least 8 in our married life. we love them and they love us. And UPS spoiled some of them, one would go into fits hunting his ball when he saw the brown truck coming. We had 1 white dobie, out of a litter that had 3 more whites.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 7:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a dobe, don’t crop it’s ears or cut of the tail and just call it some kind of hound dog. No one will no the difference. The dog takes on a completely harmless look w/o this classic features and people just awesome they are as gentle as they look with tails and regular dog ears... Came to suggest the same. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 7:59:09 PM EDT
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Is the owner a boomer who grew up in the 70s?
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Posted: 2/21/2021 8:13:48 PM EDT
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Get a note from your doctor saying that's it's your emotional support animal.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 8:17:55 PM EDT
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You don’t have a Doberman...you have a “mixed breed”
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Posted: 2/21/2021 8:39:30 PM EDT
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The doberman gang, duhhh
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Posted: 2/21/2021 8:45:54 PM EDT
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Doby put a hole through my hand when I was 4-5 yo. It was my fault I reached through the fence to pet it. Banning dogs because "scary" is stupid.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 8:51:20 PM EDT
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I've yet to hear mine growl. He's my little guys 105 pound shadow and hands down one of the best dogs I've ever had. His health is rapidly declining and this house and family won't be the same without him.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 8:53:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buy a house, then get a dobie. Snakes also make good apartment pets. They are quiet, non-destructive, and take up very little space. They (snakes) don't do as well on a leash as a dog, but you don't have to feed them as often as fish. Some nice dobies in the thread so far. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 8:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two thoughts: 1) People that know nothing about dogs make up those lists. 2) People living in a 1 bedroom apartment have no business owning a Doby. Insurance companies make up those lists based on who got paid when bit.  |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That list is too short. People in 1 BR apartments should not have any dog bigger than 10 pounds. OP might be the exception that actually has and spends the time and energy to train a larger breed. But since apartment owner has no idea who is renting year to year it's a good policy to restrict pet size IMO. I had a roommate years ago that brought home a dobie pup. No warning or discussion. Had two problems with it. First, we both traveled for business. When the dog was a pup if he traveled the dog would cry non-stop. I could not stop it. It was very much bonded to he alone. Neighbors were not pleased. Second, I brought home a date when my room mate was gone and was cuddling in front of the fireplace and damn dog kept licking her ankles. I tried telling it that was my job but he would not stop. He was cock blocking me seriously. eta: size, energy and trainability aren't related. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:22:45 PM EDT
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Weimaraner
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Posted: 3/2/2021 5:20:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: especially dogs that aren't coffee-cupped size. I've seen more aggressive tiny dogs, than larger ones. One chihuahua, got punted across the room, as it wouldn't stop biting at the back of my leg, as I was walking across the room. He bit a bit too hard and went flying. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 8:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 200lb English mastiffs make good apartment dogs. seriously. eta: size, energy and trainability aren't related. Provided the dog can live in a confined space and has an owner that properly socializes it and exercises it - I really have no problem with ANY breed. Dogs are innately good. Bad owners are the problem and sometimes it just means people who don't properly train their pet and create an aggressive animal by accident. The risk of a larger dog not getting enough exercise with neighbors so close is real. I suspect on average though larger dogs need more space than smaller ones. There is one other factor and that is if an animal does become aggressive I really don't give a darn if it's a chihuaha. Not like it's gonna rip little Timmy's face off. |
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Posted: 3/16/2021 9:39:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dobermans were very popular as guard dogs /attack dogs. This. They also were common police dogs. In the 80's I adopted a retired police doberman. Awesome dog and amazing skills but would eat people on command. I had to be aware of the limits with her. |
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Posted: 3/16/2021 10:03:49 PM EDT
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 A dog helps his owner who is afraid of a snake |
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Posted: 3/18/2021 4:52:10 AM EDT
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OP here...
The responses have been SO valuable, thank you all. It's so encouraging to see your personal examples of pups and good boys. I'll cut to the chase. I've made some consolations in my approach. Due to my current renting situation, the TOTAL shit-storm that is the current home buyers market in my area, and the immediate need to re-sign my lease, I've decided that a gundog would be more appropriate for me at this time. My desire continues to find a dog that is trainable, energetic, and sociable. In recent weeks I've become obsessed with the Hungarian Vizsla. The ultimate mountain-biking dog, and the also-ultimate "velcro dog." Since I recently got word that I work from home until fall (and then after that, it's 2 days in 3 days out), I feel that now is the time. (Also, my office is 2 minutes from home, if indeed we actually go back to the office.) Hoping to make this work. |
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Posted: 3/18/2021 9:57:59 PM EDT
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I worked with a Border Patrol Vizsla, great breed if that sample was any inclination.
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Posted: 3/19/2021 3:28:17 PM EDT
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Probably because Doberman were the "scary" dog breed of the 70's and into the 80's until pit bulls and, to a lesser degree, Rottweilers took over the number one fear position and along with that, the (I own a scary dog) popularity contest.
When I was a youngster if someone owned a "scary" dog, it was a Doberman. "Guard" dogs were usually German shepherds. Into the late 80's that began to change as people learned about these mean, super scary, vicious fighting dogs that were the king of vicious dogs...the pit bull. That kind of reputation makes some people want one and they became super popular and super notorious. I would guess whoever wrote that list of no-go dogs is either someone is 60 plus years old or googled the list of most common scary dogs or some such garbage. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 2:44:08 PM EDT
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They need a lot of attention, if you work and they are alone all day, you may not get the experience you are hoping for
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Posted: 4/25/2021 5:42:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need a lot of attention, if you work and they are alone all day, you may not get the experience you are hoping for OP here. Thank you. I'm prepared to give this dog everything it needs physically and mentally. I work from home and even if/when I do go into the office, I'm 2 minutes away. Currently working through several books and am researching across 8 topics of planning so that I'm prepared with the right tools, toys, methods, routine, and activities. By the way, I've been reserved a Vizsla puppy as of last weekend. T-minus 7 weeks until the mayhem begins 
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Posted: 4/25/2021 7:31:17 AM EDT
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Op. Get ready to walk several miles everyday.
My vizsla ran 3-7 miles a day when she was a pup. Now she is 11 and mostly lays on the couch. If you dont excercise them they get very mischievous. |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 10:58:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: I have been researching getting a Doberman as my first dog. Live in a 1-bedroom apartment and I think I'm up for the active lifestyle that a Doberman needs. From my research so far, I'm really attracted to the qualities of intelligence, loyalty, size, and outdoors-acuity that Dobermans seem to have. However, Dobies are listed on my apartment's breed restriction list, along with Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, and "Wolf Hybrid." Is this a case of black = evil? Are their scary representations in horrid 80s action flicks giving them a bad rap? Are they the AR-15 ("black rifle bad") of the dog world? Or am I wrong and they're a problematic breed for apartment dwellers like me... Thanks ahead of time. Because, based on insurance industry statistics (I.e. claims & payouts) they rank in the top 10 like German shepards, akitas, etc. https://www.propertycasualty360.com/2015/10/07/10-dog-breeds-most-often-blacklisted-by-home-insur/?slreturn=20210326105456 |
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Posted: 4/26/2021 10:01:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Insurance companies make up those lists based on who got paid when bit. This is my experience. Own a multifamily building and our insurance company said no to Dobies, Pits, Chows, Rotts, and GSD. I had the same insurance company for a rental house I owned. They sent someone out to do a random walk-around one day and a chow happened to be in the yard. I get a letter a week later saying my coverage had been dropped. Needless to say, I was pissed. I called and raised hell with the insurance company and they claimed that a "dangerous breed" was living on the property. They quickly back-pedaled when I informed them the house had been empty for a month and I was in the middle of doing some renovations. Some owners will also go with the "Fab 5" list just out of concern for liability. It may be from a position of ignorance but they just don't want to roll the dice. In reality, it is usually about the pit bulls more than any of the others. Maybe German Shepards, too, but, not allowing them just eliminates a huge potential source of headaches, usually other tenants whining about how they feel unsafe around such a killer animal. Lots of people are stuck in the Miami Vice mindset where Dobermans and Rottweilers are blood-thirsty protectors of drug dealers. The liability isn't just from bites but also jumpy idiots who might fall down a flight of stairs to get away from that evil beast that would sooner lick you to death that even nibble on your finger. The landlord is usually first or second on the lawsuit paperwork. |
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Posted: 7/19/2021 11:22:14 PM EDT
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Because people are retarded. It' s a boogyman de jour in early 80s. media crap. Not any more dangerous than any other dog-great dog if somewhat fragile. BUt I m sure you didn't mean "doberman"- it must be a black lab mix lol.
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Posted: 7/23/2021 5:06:14 AM EDT
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As an aside, if you anticipate going back to the office, take the time to accustom your dog to extended periods of time alone before that day comes.
It can be a huge shock for them to go from someone around all day to alone for hours at a time, and dogs who are especially Velcro in nature do not make that adjustment well. Train early, train often. |
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Posted: 7/23/2021 6:27:03 AM EDT
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I know nothing about Vizlas off to Google
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Posted: 7/23/2021 6:30:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the last laugh. I married his granddaughter. We are divorced now.* *this part is true Um, who got the last laugh? |
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Posted: 7/23/2021 7:34:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2021 8:00:20 AM EDT
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I’ve had 6 Vizslas. 2 in my back seat now. You made the best choice.
Need a lot of exercise. Don’t like being alone. Do not take harsh correction. Great upland bird dogs. Like boats and water but get cold fast. |
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Posted: 7/23/2021 8:55:00 AM EDT
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 Remo Williams - Dogs scene |
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