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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:29:55 PM EDT
 Why do they still do this? They can cause rare functional issues. It adds parts and expense to manufacture. It's been almost 20 years since the AWB sunset. Their agreement to put the locks in was 4 presidential administrations ago. "Pre-lock" is literally an advertising term for use S&W revolvers. Why hasn't management for S&W just stopped putting these in? |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:30:45 PM EDT
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Because they are that thing betwixt a womans legs that men lust after.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:36:21 PM EDT
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Their marketing folks have to know that the locks are hugely unpopular.
Just a guess, but maybe they are worried about liability if they remove a "safety feature" that they previously deemed necessary to add. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:36:53 PM EDT
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California handgun roster
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:37:09 PM EDT
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Probably all tooling now has this feature and would cost millions to backtrack to old tooling.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:38:31 PM EDT
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Wonder if anyone ever actually uses that lock.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:39:49 PM EDT
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To give their buyers something to remove after purchase.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably all tooling now has this feature and would cost millions to backtrack to old tooling. It's a hole. You just have to change the gcode to not drill it. It would actually save an operation in the milling of the frame, and save someone from having to put the lock in. Unless the hole is like forged in or something. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:40:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if anyone ever actually uses that lock. Liberals that just bought their first handgun, yes. They probably also use that shitty cable lock every gun comes with too 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:42:01 PM EDT
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They were bought by the company that makes that lock.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:42:17 PM EDT
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Because they are in the business of selling guns and some areas require locks.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just a guess, but maybe they are worried about liability if they remove a "safety feature" that they previously deemed necessary to add. I’m going with this. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:42:29 PM EDT
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It's funny, for me, it's honestly not a big deal. I've never used the lock, and never had it cause any malfunction. I dunno, I really don't even notice 'em.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:43:55 PM EDT
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They are a large corporation.
Large corporations have their agenda. Satisfying their customers or making a truly great product is usually very low on their agenda. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:44:32 PM EDT
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Smith & Wesson was bought by the lock company.
They are putting revolvers on their locks, not locks on their revolvers. Now you know. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m going with this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just a guess, but maybe they are worried about liability if they remove a "safety feature" that they previously deemed necessary to add. I’m going with this. +1. Though having it on there is not a guarantee that someone won’t sue them frivolously anyways. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if anyone ever actually uses that lock. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:55:44 PM EDT
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I removed the lock on mine and installed the plug.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:01:11 PM EDT
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Heard a rumor the performance center variants may not come with the locks??
 Would be nice if they’d at least make it an option...kind of like the thumb-safety on the M&P shields? Stupid as it sounds, I’d pay more for one without the lock even though one would think it’s cheaper to build’em without it...  |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:04:09 PM EDT
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Or you could buy perfection, in the form of a G19
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:06:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liberals that just bought their first handgun, yes. They probably also use that shitty cable lock every gun comes with too My brother is one of those guys. Every conversation I have with him about guns I have to bite my tongue. He was just showing me this expensive cabinet with locks on it he bought to store his ammo in. Something like a 500 dollar cabinet. Just for ammo. He's in CA so maybe there is a law that says it has to be locked up, but still. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:08:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or you could buy perfection, in the form of a G19 Yeah, they must be perfect by now, what with them being on their 5th revision of perfect. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To give their buyers something to remove after purchase. It would be nice if they would have put them on the hammer like taurus. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:10:56 PM EDT
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Are they still putting the safety warning billboards on the sides ?
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, they must be perfect by now, what with them being on their 5th revision of perfect. Per. Feck. Shun. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:12:46 PM EDT
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It's been a while, but i think either 10 or 12 states require it.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:15:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been a while, but i think either 10 or 12 states require it. They require that the lock be part of the gun itself? None of their semi autos have locks, do they? |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:15:44 PM EDT
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To give me something to drill out is all I get out of it. I bought a Mk III and had fun drilling out the lock, removing the mag. safety and loaded chamber indicator. I swear the trigger's a bit smoother and it's easier to take down now.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:16:53 PM EDT
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Civil liability.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:18:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were bought by the company that makes that lock. Came to post this. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:25:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or you could buy perfection, in the form of a G19 They didn't? Okay, cool. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:27:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Came to post this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They were bought by the company that makes that lock. Came to post this. Yep. READ ALL ABOUT IT! Saf-T-Hammer purchased S&W in 2002 for $15 Million. Think about that Only $15 Million for one of the biggest names ever in the firearms industry! We could have easily found 30 ARFCOMMERS who would have been “in” on a group buy.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:30:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When did Glock start making wheelguns? They didn't? Okay, cool. get with the times grandpa |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:33:27 PM EDT
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lawyer-proofing
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:35:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://justapewreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/BFF3F9A4-80B2-4D1A-80F1-2F6ED334661B-1024x913.jpeg Why do they still do this? They can cause rare functional issues. It adds parts and expense to manufacture. It's been almost 20 years since the AWB sunset. Their agreement to put the locks in was 4 presidential administrations ago. "Pre-lock" is literally an advertising term for use S&W revolvers. Why hasn't management for S&W just stopped putting these in? Can anyone point me to a place that makes the delete kit for that shit? Hopefully one that doesn’t want an addressed envelope with a check in it? (That dude is kind of odd (but somewhat understandably)) For a .460 if size matters 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:35:58 PM EDT
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Lawyers.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:39:22 PM EDT
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Surprised that by now they haven’t invented and installed a discrete non visible lock.
Well I’m not that surprised. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:41:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lawyer-proofing OK. I've seen this a few times in the thread now. Here's the thing about legal liability... The vast majority of guns that s&w make don't have locks. None of their semi autos have them (that I'm aware of). None of their rifles have them. Also, as far as optics related to them being a public company, Ruger is also a public company. They had locks in some of their pistols are one point. And I think they still may in some models. But several models no longer have internal locks. It hasn't hurt their stock price at all. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: get with the times grandpa Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When did Glock start making wheelguns? They didn't? Okay, cool. get with the times grandpa To start, this is thread about revolvers and Glock does not make revolvers. You had nothing to add to the discussion so you interjected with "mah glock perrfeckshun". Spare us, we've heard it all before. Anyway, my choice of striker-fired handgun is the VP9 which was designed and bulit in this century. Glock "Let's just let 3rd party do our innovation for us" continues resting on their laurels while the rest of the gun industry cuts into their shrinking market share. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To give me something to drill out is all I get out of it. I bought a Mk III and had fun drilling out the lock, removing the mag. safety and loaded chamber indicator. I swear the trigger's a bit smoother and it's easier to take down now. You literally drilled it out? |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 3:48:45 PM EDT
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I have a 638 J-frame in my pocket right now. It has the lock, which I pretty much ignore. Still wish it didn't have one.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:13:24 PM EDT
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Laughs in no dash.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:16:15 PM EDT
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I don't know, but they should know that I'll never buy one with a lock. I think Ruger makes a better revolver anyway.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:21:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Came to post this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They were bought by the company that makes that lock. Came to post this. never mind, discussed in a later post for a deal from 2001 |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their marketing folks have to know that the locks are hugely unpopular. Just a guess, but maybe they are worried about liability if they remove a "safety feature" that they previously deemed necessary to add. I would go with this. First guy that leaves out a gun that a kid finds would open them up for a lawsuit. They do make " collectable" j frames occasion that i lock free i believe. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 4:50:32 PM EDT
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https://www.originalprecision.com/original-precision.html
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:10:50 PM EDT
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They sign an agreement with the government. (Clinton administration)
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:16:55 PM EDT
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Because the company that bought S&W from the British after the Clinton debacle in 2000 was Saf-T-Hammer. The company that designed and made the locks in the first place. Also the locks makes it legal for sale in California, which is a huge market.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They sign an agreement with the government. (Clinton administration) |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 5:20:29 PM EDT
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Because of one of the thorns in the side of America...PHUCKING LAWYERS!
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