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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:39:49 PM EDT
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It probably would have if not for technology. Just needed another quarter of a million years.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:40:45 PM EDT
[#2]
It allowed ugly people to fuck
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:42:25 PM EDT
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I read somewhere that the water-living ancestors of modern land animals had far better vision. When they became land animals, their eyesight had to slowly adjust, and it's still not as good.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:43:51 PM EDT
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Nearsightedness is a degenerative disease. I got well past reproductive age before it mattered.
Just my guess |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:44:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Glasses
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:46:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nearsightedness is a degenerative disease. I got well past reproductive age before it mattered. Just my guess Mine started at about ten years old. I’m now into my thirties and it’s getting worse every year. Does it eventually stop? At what point do I become blind? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:48:27 PM EDT
[#7]
Our ability to do fine, up close work. We were worth protecting.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:48:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: the doctor? Mentioned that if this was 400 years ago, I’d be lion food. If I had an eye doctor who didn't know the history of eye glasses or the geographical location of lions in the world, I would find an eye doctor who had an education. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:49:10 PM EDT
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I’m going to guess it used to be a lot rarer back when camouflaged predators actively weeded out that mutation. But now, that gene left unabated, half of us are blind af.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:50:23 PM EDT
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Because Fauci wasn't in charge of that derpartment.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:51:44 PM EDT
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When humanity was really being pressured in the Darwinian sense average life expectancy was 45 or so. Most people don't really have any degenerative effects on vision before that.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When humanity was really being pressured in the Darwinian sense average life expectancy was 45 or so. Most people don't really have any degenerative effects on vision before that. Mine started about 10 years old. As did my mom’s |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:54:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:56:52 PM EDT
[#14]
I still get boners.
Sometimes when I don't want them. Hope that helps OP. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:13:41 PM EDT
[#15]
Communication.
"Hey blindy, you see that thing over there?" -"No" "Well, it's a lion, be careful!" 
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:14:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Eyesight is overrated.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:20:14 PM EDT
[#17]
Bump. I’m serious my eyesight is terrible. Contacts are a -9 and getting worse in my 30s. Why is this still a thing in 2021?
At what point will it level off, if ever? What happens if it gets to -20? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:21:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still get boners. Sometimes when I don't want them. Hope that helps OP. I lost. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:23:35 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bump. I’m serious my eyesight is terrible. Contacts are a -9 and getting worse in my 30s. Why is this still a thing in 2021? At what point will it level off, if ever? What happens if it gets to -20? Your vision becomes inverted and starts to get better like Benjamin button disease |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:24:08 PM EDT
[#20]
Do you have children OP?
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have children OP? No and I do not want them. Insert evolution joke here I guess, but it has nothing to do with my eyesight |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:28:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nearsightedness is a degenerative disease. I got well past reproductive age before it mattered. Just my guess Good point. I didn't "need" glasses until I was about 20 or so. I started getting nearsighted at 16, but I managed fine for the most part without glasses until I went to college. In evolutionary history, I would have likely reproduced before my eyesight became an issue. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:29:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: I can’t see more than 4 inches away from my face. Was getting my eye exam done recently and the doctor? Mentioned that if this was 400 years ago, I’d be lion food. My contacts are like -9. It brings up a good point. Why hasn’t evolution weeded this out? Because nothing does anything like the equivalent of changing from a fish into a cat, or even a cat into a dog. Mutations stick within boundaries. Besides that, even if you buy the irrational evolution story, it (evolution) is definitionally directionless. It doesn't give a rip about external conditions. For all you know, it never muates the eyeballs, and even if it did, what forces it to have to eliminate nearsightedness? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:31:16 PM EDT
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I recently had cataract surgery in both eyes to replace lenses. Developed aggressive subcapsular cataracts in my mid 50s, 6 months later was in tough shape. What was 20/50 now a little better than 20/20.
Keep thinking if I had been born 100 years ago I would be done. Don't know what surgical options you have OP. Go find out. Life changing. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:31:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because nothing does anything like the equivalent of changing from a fish into a cat, or even a cat into a dog. Mutations stick within boundaries. Besides that, even if you buy the irrational evolution story, it (evolution) is definitionally directionless. It doesn't give a rip about external conditions. For all you know, it never muates the eyeballs, and even if it did, what forces it to have to eliminate nearsightedness? I’m really struggling to understand the first part of your post. My thought is, if people can’t see they die. Over thousands of years? (Idk how long humans have existed) those with this issue wouldn’t have been able to reproduce and therefore it would have died out |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:32:58 PM EDT
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The human race is hard to peg in the Darwin sense of “survival of the fittest.” As a general rule, our human nature to take care of people and also our monogamous tendencies doesn’t allow a culling of the herd or 1-2 dominant traits/breeding pairs to take over. In nature, if you are a nearsighted deer, you probably don’t live to pass on your genes. As a human, just because you nearsighted we as a society want to take care of you and you will eventually have a chance to breed since we tend to pair off.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:33:15 PM EDT
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the same reason there are still stupid people. not enough time, and countering factors such as technologies (glasses, eye surgery) that keep them alive even though they're blind or stupid. if we didnt form societies and work together it'd be a pretty big problem. however you can still be very productive with bad vision doing something like sweeping the cave, sharpening a knife, or teaching children.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:33:49 PM EDT
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Because humans take care of each other. The oldest skull ever discovered of an elderly hominid is over 2 million years old, he was very old and didn't even have teeth anymore for years but still lived long enough to be taken care of by other members of his tribe.
 https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/06/science/some-see-roots-of-compassion-in-a-toothless-fossil-skull.html |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:35:33 PM EDT
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i think us blind mole people evolved to see things up close better (which i can, anyways, up close shit is super duper clear) so we could invent science and teh modern world. we are heroes.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:37:28 PM EDT
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IDK. I am very nearsighted. Not too worried about it. Our intelligence overcame it IMO.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:38:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m really struggling to understand the first part of your post. My thought is, if people can’t see they die. Over thousands of years? (Idk how long humans have existed) those with this issue wouldn’t have been able to reproduce and therefore it would have died out Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because nothing does anything like the equivalent of changing from a fish into a cat, or even a cat into a dog. Mutations stick within boundaries. Besides that, even if you buy the irrational evolution story, it (evolution) is definitionally directionless. It doesn't give a rip about external conditions. For all you know, it never muates the eyeballs, and even if it did, what forces it to have to eliminate nearsightedness? I’m really struggling to understand the first part of your post. My thought is, if people can’t see they die. Over thousands of years? (Idk how long humans have existed) those with this issue wouldn’t have been able to reproduce and therefore it would have died out Mutations that change one form of life into another = mechanism of / a definition of evolution. If you haven't noticed, even completely ignoring the very real issues with observation ... we have never observed one form of life changing into another. The fact that we can't make a hard and fast decision on what constitutes why we call, say, a cat a cat and differntiate it from a dog ... only complicates this. TL:DR - there's no reason to believe the story of evolution is true, and even if it was, the way it's told means there's no reason to expect it to ever get rid of any particular problem. It's quite literally just random chance. ----- That aside? I could have sworn we got more farsighted as we got older? Maybe I got that backwards, but I usually see people wishing their arms were longer and longer as they got older. If that's true (ask your eye doc) ... some chance maybe you start getting more farsighted as you age, counter-acting your nearsighted problem? In human terms, eyeballs are pretty complex organs. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:39:33 PM EDT
[#32]
Because the ones with it sent out the ones with lower IQ to scout ahead and get ambushed.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:41:01 PM EDT
[#33]
Evolution....
 In this thread we learn about eye anatomy-and who doesn’t understand what it actually takes to see...at all. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:49:58 PM EDT
[#34]
Because near sighted people developed extraordinary other senses and skills to overcome these problems, as well as generally having much larger penises.
Could somebody let me know if I misspelled anything? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:53:48 PM EDT
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Probably wasn't a prevalent back in the day, before AC and indoors all the time, and screens and reading.
By the time you're vision starts crapping out when you're older, you've already bred and help insure the success of your next generation. Old age vision is not a trait that prevent procreation. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nearsightedness is a degenerative disease. I got well past reproductive age before it mattered. Just my guess No, presbyopia, the need for reading glasses, is age-related. “Near-sighted” means different things to lay people. For some it means “can’t see near,” and others “can only see near.” Myopia, -9 diopters in an eye, usually starts in childhood and you can only see stuff near you. Presbyopia or “old age eyes” occurs when your lens loses its ability to focus near, so bifocal become the norm for us old, myopic “near sighted” folks. Why hasn’t evolution removed Sickle Cell, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc, etc, etc… They’re part of the human condition. ETA: what i want to know is why a Braille menu is required on a drive through restaurant. ADA be damned—should a blind person needing Braille be holding up the line? Shouldn’t they call in their order? Drive-through IS Fast Food! |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:00:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: I can't see more than 4 inches away from my face. Was getting my eye exam done recently and the doctor? Mentioned that if this was 400 years ago, I'd be lion food. My contacts are like -9. It brings up a good point. Why hasn't evolution weeded this out? Spending too much time in doors and not getting enough sunlight as a child is one of those factors.  Are Humans Slowly Losing Their Eyesight? | The Nearsightedness Epidemic |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:01:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Stevejg1 thread
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:02:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Maybe it is a more modern problem caused by staring at close objects too much.
Maybe it is a disease (like diabetes) caused by diet. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:02:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bump. I’m serious my eyesight is terrible. Contacts are a -9 and getting worse in my 30s. Why is this still a thing in 2021? At what point will it level off, if ever? What happens if it gets to -20? Terrible is relative OP. Mine is -17.25.  We are not solo creatures, but social ones. We have always had others that could help us along the way. Only reason I could think. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine started at about ten years old. I’m now into my thirties and it’s getting worse every year. Does it eventually stop? At what point do I become blind? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nearsightedness is a degenerative disease. I got well past reproductive age before it mattered. Just my guess Mine started at about ten years old. I’m now into my thirties and it’s getting worse every year. Does it eventually stop? At what point do I become blind? Son, you sound like the kind of guy... 
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:05:41 PM EDT
[#42]
Right: 8
Left: 8.5 I often wonder what would it be like if society broke down. Try to make remaining contacts last, or just put on glasses 
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:08:55 PM EDT
[#43]
We evolved to spread genetic material. Evolution doesn't give a fuck what happens when you're thirty.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:09:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Son, you sound like the kind of guy... Dude for all my faults I can’t control my failing eyes |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:10:12 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It allowed ugly people to fuck
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:10:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Terrible is relative OP. Mine is -17.25. We are not solo creatures, but social ones. We have always had others that could help us along the way. Only reason I could think. -17.25??? Holy crap. When did it start, how long has it been stable? Can you get contacts that strong? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:14:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: I can’t see more than 4 inches away from my face. Was getting my eye exam done recently and the doctor? Mentioned that if this was 400 years ago, I’d be lion food. My contacts are like -9. It brings up a good point. Why hasn’t evolution weeded this out? Those who were nearsighted found ways to cope with it - and didn't have an offsetting ability/skill - were eliminated. Why do you think librarians/engineers/STEM types have a higher density of physical deficiencies like near sightedness? Nearsighted people with intelligence were favorably selected for reproduction while nearsighted people without intelligence were not. So if its the year 1500 and the Catholic church wants a big building built, the nearsighted person can design it, but the nearsighted person won't survive the Catholic church's (king's) wars in the middle east. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:16:03 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bump. I’m serious my eyesight is terrible. Contacts are a -9 and getting worse in my 30s. Why is this still a thing in 2021? At what point will it level off, if ever? What happens if it gets to -20? It varies from person to person, but usually things worsens as you get older, but there are exceptions. There are exercises that can potentially slow it, but do you really have an hour every day to dedicate to looking at different things at different distances over and over to strengthen your eyes? I ordered lenses for a -12, +2, ~60, +2.5, -7 prism down -6 prism out (with a similar for the other eye) a few weeks ago. It’s amazing what you can correct these days. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We evolved to spread genetic material. Evolution doesn't give a fuck what happens when you're thirty. Age is a factor, but a lot of people get nearsighted before turning ten years old, so its not always the factor. If you would get nearsighted only after age 40 it didn't matter 100+ years ago but if you got nearsighted between ages 6-10 100+ years ago you had to have some abilities/intelligence that offset that physical deficiency. If you didn't your chances of reproduction were less. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:18:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nearsightedness is a degenerative disease. I got well past reproductive age before it mattered. Just my guess I've been nearsighted for over 40 years. I started wearing glasses at 13. I still have the same prescription I had 40 years ago. -1.5 |
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