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Posted: 1/4/2019 11:51:43 AM EDT
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Oh, I went way beyond war dialing. I mean, uh... what were we talking about? When I turned 18 I made a decent bonfire. While I was ultimately a white hat, I was also really, really curious and systems back then were very, very insecure. One amusing anecdote that I can share, by far the biggest phreak I knew ended up being a pretty high profile journalist on the right. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:00:37 PM EDT
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Read this book, if you haven't already.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:02:43 PM EDT
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Before my time but same shit with the telecoms, not sure on statutes of limitation on that shit nor the wisdom of admitting to felonies in public.
I can say were lots of default passwords set on critical shit back in the day. Helped me learn junos and why udp is kinda cool. Still the most powerful tool for defeating secure systems is a phone , work order system access, and social engineering. Suzie in accounting or help desk can do powerful stuff. Bar none people are the weak link. Sadly all that stuff is prosecuted felonies now. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:12:55 PM EDT
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1985 NW NJ Kids in my neighborhood would have loved to have gone geek/hacker/Crunchmeister...we had no skilz.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 12:54:36 PM EDT
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A really great book is Kevin Mitnick's "The Art Of Deception."
He's 13 years older than me. A fair amount of the methods in his book were already around when he came on the scene. But he certainly did push the envelope and really brought social engineering to a new height. My first computer was an S100 bus system built with wire wrap components on a wooden backplane. And it worked. 2K of RAM and a 8k eprom with tiny basic. My first language was a Motorola assembler. Basic was a huge step forward. On another note, the statute of limitations should have run out on that stuff a looooong time ago. Even if you publicly announce your activities, it's non-sworn and those records are long gone. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 2:01:31 PM EDT
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I remember one guy getting really pissed when his phone number was listed as a local bbs access line in a print flyer, he'd *69 anyone that called him and yell for a while, then do it again. I wonder how much his bill was from all those charges, because everyone on the board posted laughing about his behavior.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 9:25:45 PM EDT
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On a party line, no less. 
At 0300 on a Friday night: "File downloading...95%...96%...97%...>CLICK-CLACKBEEP BEEP BEEP<"  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Holy cow. The acoustic coupler!!! 
At 0300 on a Friday night: "File downloading...95%...96%...97%...>CLICK-CLACKBEEP BEEP BEEP<" |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:00:21 PM EDT
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I remember reading bbs posts of people who had figured out how to create active telephone accounts in the 555-5xxx series of numbers. Back in those days the exchange was a word-"whitney"- was 94-so whitney36452 was dialed as 9436452.. the 555 exchange was (and still is)used for phone company stuff. The letters are JKL and no word starts with those letters. Just for shits and giggles try dialing 555 555 5555. See what you get. What I liked most, was getting into a pedestal or cabinet as a kid, with a homemade butt set, and figure out which pair went to which place, then using the telco ringback number to retrieve the telephone number of the pair. Does anyone remember what the name of that box linemen carried around in the 90's that would interface with whatever came after COSMOS? I'd like to research it more, now that the internet is more fleshed out lol |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:03:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Z-Modem Recovery!! |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:06:34 PM EDT
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I will never forget Procom, N81 and com ports at 3600. I was a bit late for 300... ETA; And XModem, ZModem.... Programs came either in a cartridge, or you bought a modified tape player and got programs on tape. My first computer is what people now would call a 'zero client'. It was a Wyse terminal I BRB, I'm gonna see if the interwebs has a picture of my first 'laptop'... |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:19:58 PM EDT
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I remember machine fun with some insecure SMTP servers back in the day. I was amused by some of the emails I sent. The recipient, a friend of mine, was not.
And the good old days of insecure unix trust relationships based on an incorrect premise. 
I am sad I did not live in the earlier days. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:22:49 PM EDT
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wish I was that leet. did run an adult BBS out of my parents basement though.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:26:07 PM EDT
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A really fun novel about the early days of computing is "The Adolescence of P-1" by Thomas J Ryan.
After reading a Scientific American article on game theory outlining how to teach matchboxes to play tic-tac-toe,[1] he becomes interested in using artificial intelligence techniques to crack systems. After manually cracking the university's 360, he sets aside a portion of memory to experiment in, calling it "P-1" Hilarity ensues. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:27:39 PM EDT
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Looked like this:
Weighed about 20 pounds. No battery. Honestly thought it was a portable typewriter and the dude was trying to rip me. But I was king fucking dick for a LONG time with that, it solved certain 'problems' with using my home phone line... Until I got a portable, handheld telephone with no wires. (I'd hand that thing to pretty girls and encourage them to call their Moms and tell them they'd be home late...) |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:38:04 PM EDT
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I remember machine fun with some insecure SMTP servers back in the day. I was amused by some of the emails I sent. The recipient, a friend of mine, was not.
And the good old days of insecure unix trust relationships based on an incorrect premise.
I am sad I did not live in the earlier days. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 10:47:10 PM EDT
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I remember machine fun with some insecure SMTP servers back in the day. I was amused by some of the emails I sent. The recipient, a friend of mine, was not.
And the good old days of insecure unix trust relationships based on an incorrect premise.
I am sad I did not live in the earlier days.   
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Posted: 1/4/2019 11:10:00 PM EDT
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Back in 82/83 SC had a system called COIN, it was dial up on a Apple IIc in the Guidance counselor's office. The idea was you answered yes or no to questions and it helped pick a career path for you based on your interests. It was a 1-800 number that you called into and put the phone handset into the modem.
Well COIN also had a menu item for resumes. My friend Tommy and I went home and one bored Friday evening we called COIN using my Atari 800 with my modem. It worked, after messing around with the career stuff we opened resumes. Well they were editable. We changed our teachers resumes into all kinds of stupid stuff. Some teachers graduated from made up schools, others we gave petty theft as personal skills etc. We never got caught and it stayed that way for a long time because we checked back in the following weeks. Obviously they did not look at the resume section very often if at all. Back in the day, there was NO security, none. |
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Posted: 1/4/2019 11:12:23 PM EDT
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I stumbled across a conference line setup war dialing in 1983. I just happen to be listening to my modem chug through some basic code I had modified when I heard something automaticity pick up. The next number did the same thing, and so did four more, but no carrier. If I hadn’t been listening at the time I’d have never known.
The next day after school I dialed one of the numbers and was connected into a live conference. I quietly hung up. Later I tried again and was connected but nobody was on, or so I thought. Just as I was about to hang up I heard so papers shuffle! The conference lines connected into an office automatically and somebody was in there. My friends and I enjoyed those conference lines in the evenings for a few months. You’d just kept calling the 6 numbers until you got a free line and we’re connected to the crew. Crazy stuff in those days. Eventually they were disconnected. I suspect the cleaning crew or someone working late heard us. Zero security. If I had cared I could have listened in to that business all I wanted. Heck, it was a 703 exchange, it could have been a three letter agency.
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Posted: 1/4/2019 11:19:28 PM EDT
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I may have caused some mischief with sub7 back in the day
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Posted: 1/4/2019 11:27:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2019 11:30:50 PM EDT
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I'm (relatively) old when it comes to personal microcomputing history. I was here for Word and Windows 1.0. My first commercially produced home microcomputer had no hard drive, had 64 megabytes of RAM memory, had no mouse, no modem and had no monitor, but an adapter so you could watch it on the same tv your little brother wanted to play Atari on... lol ps trivia: Word and Excel as GUI applications were introduced first on Macintosh. Excel was then known as "Multiplan". |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 1:19:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 64MB of RAM? even the i286 could only address 16MB. it was the 32bit i386 that eventually allowed >64MB addressing. ps trivia: Word and Excel as GUI applications were introduced first on Macintosh. Excel was then known as "Multiplan".
64k. KILObytes. And, I may have had the VIC-20 prior to that... |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 1:23:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many good memories of ARPANET. I confess I had a ton of Radio Shack stuff including a dtmf setup. Also built an analog dialer that simulated cradle dialing. Slower than digital but it completely bypassed caller id. Haven't thought about this stuff in years. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 2:11:03 AM EDT
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Fact. I still have like two somewhere boxed up. One permanently changed, and one with a switch to go back and forth. 
Just a crystal change and a few components. All of which were available at Radio Snack on the other side of the aisle. TYCOM |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 2:13:30 AM EDT
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Yeah, let's not be posting felonies, guys. CoC#4 still applies, even if the statute of limitations doesn't.
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Posted: 1/5/2019 2:20:04 AM EDT
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Press 1 for English, press 2 for...gibberish. I have absolutely no idea what anything in this threads means. But, I was probably busy adulting during those exciting times. This sounds like the former. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 2:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's two groups here most likely to post with no context and demonstrable lack of awareness of a world outside of their bubble - computer geeks and Texans. This sounds like the former. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 2:22:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2019 2:36:08 PM EDT
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Kermit? I miss Kermit. I was transferring CAD files to our VAX at 1200 baud with xmodem so they could be plotted on a pen plotter. The good ol' days. When 38.4 modems came out we were overjoyed. One of my colleagues got rid of a DOS computer this year. He maintained it since it was the only way to read out some of the ancient instruments we still had in service. We still have lots of equipment that uses RS232 serial ports. The really enlightened systems use 422/485. For the last 10 years we've had to train new hires on serial ports. Most young people have never seen one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Commodore 128d with 1650 modem. Was given a list of local BBS systems. Dialed number on the the phone and then unplugged the headset to plug it in to 1650 modem. Red light came one and terminal program started to scroll text at 300 baud. Wish i could remember the name of the terminal program. That was pretty much a turning point in my life. Things were never the same. Phrack, 2600 and all the other "mags", xmascon, etc. Radio shack dialers that could redbox with the change of a crystal (allegedly). Interesting time to be young. Went to defcon 25 and 26 and will likely go to 27 this year. For anyone that wants to feel the spirit of a "hacker" culture I recommend defcon. I was transferring CAD files to our VAX at 1200 baud with xmodem so they could be plotted on a pen plotter. The good ol' days. When 38.4 modems came out we were overjoyed. One of my colleagues got rid of a DOS computer this year. He maintained it since it was the only way to read out some of the ancient instruments we still had in service. We still have lots of equipment that uses RS232 serial ports. The really enlightened systems use 422/485. For the last 10 years we've had to train new hires on serial ports. Most young people have never seen one. Anybody that doesn't know about serial ports doesn't know *anything* about computers. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 6:41:01 PM EDT
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As a kid I built a redbox from scratch, used some 555 ics and an opamp. Schematic from 2600 or phrack, don't remember which.
Many years later, by mistake, I discovered Tracfone parameter manipulation. I did some research and found I wasn't the first guy to stumble across it, but I must have been close! |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 6:52:37 PM EDT
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Yes, I not only know what this is, I've used one. 
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/images/large/64/31/product-96431.jpg I have a vague memory of him doing a lot of this stuff in the 1980's. I was too young to do it and by the time I became off age to do it in the late 80's I had lost interest in it. |
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Posted: 1/5/2019 7:14:27 PM EDT
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Read this book, if you haven't already. https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347560225l/98607.jpg Tsutomu Shimomura |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:12:16 AM EDT
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I had one: http://www.phonelosers.org/images/redbox.gif Just a crystal change and a few components. All of which were available at Radio Snack on the other side of the aisle. TYCOM Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fact. I still have like two somewhere boxed up. One permanently changed, and one with a switch to go back and forth. http://www.phonelosers.org/images/redbox.gif Just a crystal change and a few components. All of which were available at Radio Snack on the other side of the aisle. TYCOM Black boxing |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 1:21:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2019 2:48:45 PM EDT
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A fun thread with some names I haven't thought of in a while.
rexecd is entertained. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 11:31:06 PM EDT
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Read this book, if you haven't already. https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347560225l/98607.jpg Tsutomu Shimomura
There is some debate about how much Markoff and Shimomura twisted the story. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 11:38:41 PM EDT
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A fun thread with some names I haven't thought of in a while. rexecd is entertained. My first programming class in college was C++. We were learning on HP-UX boxes. This was most folks first introduction to unix and almost certainly to vi. First day of the "lab" as we were all pounding away on mechanical keyboards while computers hummed away in the background. An occasional "shit" following by one very annoyed motherf*****r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a fist smacking the desk. vi giveth and vi taketh away. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 11:45:49 PM EDT
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Considering Draper is into young boys to the point he either has to be escorted or flat out banned from the cons, that's... a weird coincidence. Thread legit: this was when computing was actually fun. And phreaking was straightforward. sigh Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had every issue of 2600 as .pdf files. Gave them to my son along with my Captain Crunch whistle and a lot of interesting toolkit software. Sigh. The good old days. Thread legit: this was when computing was actually fun. And phreaking was straightforward. sigh 
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Posted: 1/6/2019 11:53:06 PM EDT
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It's all fun and games until mom gets the phone bill Was also the reason I didn't get into war dialing. Anything outside our small town would have been long distance. |
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Posted: 1/6/2019 11:57:40 PM EDT
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Im 57 and even more lost ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am 47. I have no idea what any of this means. Or totally ignorant of the nerd stuff back then. |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 1:04:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. She got pissed when I was a kid calling CompuServe long distance, $400 that month. I didn't realize there was a local number also til then. Was also the reason I didn't get into war dialing. Anything outside our small town would have been long distance. Quote HistoryQuoted: This. She got pissed when I was a kid calling CompuServe long distance, $400 that month. I didn't realize there was a local number also til then. Was also the reason I didn't get into war dialing. Anything outside our small town would have been long distance. Quoted: I'm friends with him personally, known him since around 2001, worked together for a few years on different projects. He's a strange dude for sure, but he's not into boys. All the crap surrounding the myth is just to get rid of him because no one can deal with him when hes around. He does these strange like yoga workout exercises and prefers to workout with other people, it's just a really fucking strange self made routine, like a mix between wresting, yoga and dancing. He offered a few times, I declined and laughed. I do have an original bluebox I got from Woz though. https://i.imgur.com/SlunI9L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium I have to say, I had only heard rumors and innuendo, but when that reporter came out with the 'healing massage' story or whatever, then some of the con holders banned him, I kinda figured, knowing nerds, if *they* started turning on him over his personal peccadilloes, there must be something to it. A woz-built box is HIGHLY cool, though |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 1:32:41 AM EDT
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Mine too. One freaking town over... toll charges apply. lol hence the need to bluebox.. Wow. This place never fails to amaze. I have to say, I had only heard rumors and innuendo, but when that reporter came out with the 'healing massage' story or whatever, then some of the con holders banned him, I kinda figured, knowing nerds, if *they* started turning on him over his personal peccadilloes, there must be something to it. A woz-built box is HIGHLY cool, though Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This. She got pissed when I was a kid calling CompuServe long distance, $400 that month. I didn't realize there was a local number also til then. Was also the reason I didn't get into war dialing. Anything outside our small town would have been long distance. Quoted: I'm friends with him personally, known him since around 2001, worked together for a few years on different projects. He's a strange dude for sure, but he's not into boys. All the crap surrounding the myth is just to get rid of him because no one can deal with him when hes around. He does these strange like yoga workout exercises and prefers to workout with other people, it's just a really fucking strange self made routine, like a mix between wresting, yoga and dancing. He offered a few times, I declined and laughed. I do have an original bluebox I got from Woz though. https://i.imgur.com/SlunI9L_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium I have to say, I had only heard rumors and innuendo, but when that reporter came out with the 'healing massage' story or whatever, then some of the con holders banned him, I kinda figured, knowing nerds, if *they* started turning on him over his personal peccadilloes, there must be something to it. A woz-built box is HIGHLY cool, though The guy is brilliant though, his book came out a year ago and is probably worth a read.
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Posted: 1/7/2019 8:30:04 AM EDT
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A German buddy of mine posted this on his FB. I immediately thought of this thread:
 Teens stumped by rotary phone | New York Post
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Posted: 1/7/2019 8:40:26 AM EDT
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My first semester of college (1984) this guy, we'll call him "Steve", shows up with a Commodore Pet or something, and a modem. He boasts that his dad works for AT&T, and he has "secret long distance codes" that will let him dial up around the world "for free". Well, he must have done some serious porn snooping, because at the end of the semester he got a bill from AT&T for $4,300-some-odd dollars. We learned later that he was forced to pay it, and Daddy stopped paying for "Steve" to attend college. |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 8:42:01 AM EDT
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1985 NW NJ Kids in my neighborhood would have loved to have gone geek/hacker/Crunchmeister...we had no skilz. We probably know the same people. |
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Posted: 1/7/2019 9:19:05 AM EDT
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Yep and it was usually a public library running a Microvax/VMS.
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Posted: 1/7/2019 9:26:55 AM EDT
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This thread just proves some of you have been basement dwellers for a very very long time
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Posted: 1/7/2019 9:39:32 AM EDT
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Like it was yesterday. Waited till everyone was in bed, dialed those seven magic digits, waited for the tones, disconnected the handset, plugged the cord into my VicModem.....
"Connected at 300 Baud"
Ripco BBS out of chicago I was running a C64 at the time. Upgraded to a 1200 baud modem and the text flew across the screen so fast I couldn't keep up
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Posted: 1/7/2019 10:07:29 AM EDT
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48k modem fun
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Posted: 1/7/2019 11:40:16 PM EDT
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The only computer porn in 1984 was ascii. You didn't know where to look. ....  hm. You may be right. I mean, that's what ARPANET was designed for, right? lol No freeloading: arguably First actual picture ever transmitted, using the 1st edition of photoshop  They were the admin pool and others who formed a band or something at CERN (I think) |
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