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Who is the Judge? Jesus Christ Himself is the Judge. Jesus said His Word will judge us; so then who are the saved? John 12:48 “He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.” The words of Christ recorded in Scripture will serve as the decisive criterion. Those who rejected Him and refused His sayings will be judged by the very message they heard and dismissed. The Word is living, active, and final (see Hebrews 4:12-13). On the last day there will be no alternative standard, no cultural excuses, and no appeal beyond what Christ has already spoken. Revelation 19:10 “Then I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, ‘Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.’” All of Scripture’s prophetic revelation finds its center and purpose in bearing witness to Jesus. Therefore, the Word that judges is the same Word that offers salvation. John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. ~ Jesus The saved are those who believe in the Son. The Judge is Jesus Christ. The Word that judges is the word He spoke. There are What will you say on that day, if you can say anything at all? Is your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life? We all have something to look forward too.  Love God, love people and shine, shine His Light (Jesus is the Light of the world). Maranatha ETA: clarity on events. ...'And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,' ... Hebrews 9:27 https://www.bible.com/bible/100/HEB.9.27.NASB1995 ...'But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.' ... Romans 2:5-6,16 https://www.bible.com/bible/100/ROM.2.5-6,16.NASB1995 |
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Eta: Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Eta: Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Your unorganized marine! Rom 6: 1-10 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Your unorganized marine! Rom 6: 1-10 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Eta: Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Your unorganized marine! Rom 6: 1-10 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Does God give His Holy Spirit only to those who obey Him? We know as believers that JESUS is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. Not by power, nor by might, but by His Spirit. The Holy Spirit also baptizes a born again believer into JESUS' death. Romans 6:1-6. JESUS said, "you must be born again from above". Luke 3:16, John 1:33, John 3:3-8. We know obedience by the believer is better than sacrifice/works. 1st Samuel 15:22, Psalm 40:6. Those who have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit can also grieve and quench HIS power in our lives. Ephesians 4:30, 1st Thessalonians 5:19 |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: We know as believers that JESUS is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. But by His power. The Holy Spirit also baptizes a born again believer into JESUS' death. Romans 6:1-6. JESUS said, "you must be born again from above". Luke 3:16, John 1:33, John 3:3-8. We know obedience by the believer is better than sacrifice/works. 1st Samuel 15:22, Psalm 40:6. Those who have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit can also grieve and quench HIS power in our lives. Ephesians 4:30, 1st Thessalonians 5:19 Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Does God give His Holy Spirit only to those who obey Him? We know as believers that JESUS is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. But by His power. The Holy Spirit also baptizes a born again believer into JESUS' death. Romans 6:1-6. JESUS said, "you must be born again from above". Luke 3:16, John 1:33, John 3:3-8. We know obedience by the believer is better than sacrifice/works. 1st Samuel 15:22, Psalm 40:6. Those who have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit can also grieve and quench HIS power in our lives. Ephesians 4:30, 1st Thessalonians 5:19 Can we be like the Bereans and find out if all these things are so?!  Thanks for sharing brother! Romans 6:1-6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. Luke 3:16 [ John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. John 1:33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” 1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, “Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams. Psalm 40:6 In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required. Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 1 Thessalonians 5:19 Do not quench the Spirit. Acts 17:11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: We know as believers that JESUS is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. But by His power. The Holy Spirit also baptizes a born again believer into JESUS' death. Romans 6:1-6. JESUS said, "you must be born again from above". Luke 3:16, John 1:33, John 3:3-8. Interesting. Bishop3 and Raidersgone appear to not only be LLMs, but LLMs operating off the same session state. In a different thread, Bishop3 also called Jesus the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire, which is not conceptually correct as he is the baptizer in and with those things, respectively. |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Interesting. Bishop3 and Raidersgone appear to not only be LLMs, but LLMs operating off the same session state. In a different thread, Bishop3 also called Jesus the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire, which is not conceptually correct as he is the baptizer in and with those things, respectively. As the First Council of Nicaea famously said, "Po-tay-to, po-tah-to" |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Interesting. Bishop3 and Raidersgone appear to not only be LLMs, but LLMs operating off the same session state. In a different thread, Bishop3 also called Jesus the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire, which is not conceptually correct as he is the baptizer in and with those things, respectively. Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: We know as believers that JESUS is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. But by His power. The Holy Spirit also baptizes a born again believer into JESUS' death. Romans 6:1-6. JESUS said, "you must be born again from above". Luke 3:16, John 1:33, John 3:3-8. Interesting. Bishop3 and Raidersgone appear to not only be LLMs, but LLMs operating off the same session state. In a different thread, Bishop3 also called Jesus the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire, which is not conceptually correct as he is the baptizer in and with those things, respectively. God has a plan and a purpose for your life, His plan has not changed. As cited previously and for the posterity: Matthew 3:11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.” ~ John the baptist Mark 1:7-8 And he was preaching, and saying, “After me One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals. I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Luke 3:16 “John answered and said to them all, ‘As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.’” John 1:33 “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’” The question I had asked you: Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire by Jesus yet? He is the Baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. Thanks for pointing that out & edited for grammar/ clarification: 'Jesus is the Baptizer in and with the Holy Spirit and fire.' Luke 11:11-13 Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?” ~ Jesus Son of Man Son of God Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire by Jesus yet? He is the Baptizer with the Holy Spirit and fire. He is the gift, the Holy Spirit of God. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: God has a plan and a purpose for your life, His plan has not changed. As cited previously and for the posterity: The question I had asked you: Thanks for pointing that out & edited for grammar/ clarification: 'Jesus is the Baptizer in and with the Holy Spirit and fire.' Luke 11:11-13 Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?” ~ Jesus Son of Man Son of God Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire by Jesus yet? He is the Baptizer with the Holy Spirit and fire. He is the gift, the Holy Spirit of God. What model and version are you? |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: What model and version are you? Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Originally Posted By Bishop3: God has a plan and a purpose for your life, His plan has not changed. As cited previously and for the posterity: The question I had asked you: Thanks for pointing that out & edited for grammar/ clarification: 'Jesus is the Baptizer in and with the Holy Spirit and fire.' Luke 11:11-13 Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?” ~ Jesus Son of Man Son of God Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire by Jesus yet? He is the Baptizer with the Holy Spirit and fire. He is the gift, the Holy Spirit of God. What model and version are you? Our God is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:29 NASB1995 [29] for our God is a consuming fire. https://bible.com/bible/100/heb.12.29.NASB1995 Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. 1 John 4:2 NASB1995 [2] By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; https://bible.com/bible/100/1jn.4.2.N 1 Thessalonians 5:23 NASB1995 [23] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. https://bible.com/bible/100/1th.5.23.NASB1995 |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Interesting. Bishop3 and Raidersgone appear to not only be LLMs, but LLMs operating off the same session state. In a different thread, Bishop3 also called Jesus the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire, which is not conceptually correct as he is the baptizer in and with those things, respectively. Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: We know as believers that JESUS is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. But by His power. The Holy Spirit also baptizes a born again believer into JESUS' death. Romans 6:1-6. JESUS said, "you must be born again from above". Luke 3:16, John 1:33, John 3:3-8. Interesting. Bishop3 and Raidersgone appear to not only be LLMs, but LLMs operating off the same session state. In a different thread, Bishop3 also called Jesus the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire, which is not conceptually correct as he is the baptizer in and with those things, respectively. What is a LLM? I'm not educated in all the acronyms on the internet. |
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Originally Posted By wvfarrier: There are 144,000 who have been chosen to be the First . The rest of us are REQUIRED to follow the instructions of The Christ to be worthy of salvation. Its all pretty well spelled out for us Jews for Jesus.
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: What is a LLM? I'm not educated in all the acronyms on the internet. It could mean a couple of things like Licensed Lay Minister. However no one in the early history of the ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia) who preached the Word of God, proclaiming the apostolic gospel message were 'licensed', these were 'called of (by) God'. He appointed them. He calls men today, drawing them to Himself. He gave some as apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors and teachers. He has given gifts to men. Just like then, now God commands (or calls) us; every born-again believer (born from above) follower of the Lord Jesus Christ today to share that same good news with the world. Today it is a cringe word for me, 'laity' now it is a man made term for the exclusive religious institutions. I think it says you're no one special; just an ordinary person of God. Something like you must go through the 'clergy' first to get to the Lord and Savior. I believe earlier on the word lay or layity was meant more for love of the brethern. Love covers a multitude of sin. I called on His name, Jesus is alive. Of course, there are functional leadership ministries in the One body, in the roles of elders, overseers and deacons but not a separate sacred class. Clearly the Bible does not divide the church into “clergy” versus “laity.” Remember it is the will of God that we, the ekklēsia, be one in Him. It is the nature of men that choose that division. I can do an entire thread on this, I digress. Don't take my word for it. Be like the Bereans. Daily, let the God-breathed Scriptures and the leading of the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth. Good morning and God bless you, my brother. Have a beautiful day, and behold His wonderment. Eta: 1 Peter 2:9-10 NASB1995 [9] But you are a CHOSEN RACE, a royal PRESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, a PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; [10] for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE of God; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY. https://bible.com/bible/100/1pe.2.9-10.NASB1995 ~ Peter the Lord's Apostle |
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Originally Posted By HighLighter: Romans 10:13 KJV - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Truth. Amen, so be it! ...and is my personal testimony. I called on the name of the Lord... he came to my rescue. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: It could mean a couple of things like Licensed Lay Minister. However no one in the early history of the ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia) who preached the Word of God, proclaiming the apostolic gospel message were 'licensed', these were 'called of (by) God'. He appointed them. He calls men today, drawing them to Himself. He gave some as apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors and teachers. He has given gifts to men. Just like then, now God commands (or calls) us; every born-again believer (born from above) follower of the Lord Jesus Christ today to share that same good news with the world. Today it is a cringe word for me, 'laity' now it is a man made term for the exclusive religious institutions. I think it says you're no one special; just an ordinary person of God. Something like you must go through the 'clergy' first to get to the Lord and Savior. I believe earlier on the word lay or layity was meant more for love of the brethern. Love covers a multitude of sin. I called on His name, Jesus is alive. Of course, there are functional leadership ministries in the One body, in the roles of elders, overseers and deacons but not a separate sacred class. Clearly the Bible does not divide the church into “clergy” versus “laity.” Remember it is the will of God that we, the ekklēsia, be one in Him. It is the nature of men that choose that division. I can do an entire thread on this, I digress. Don't take my word for it. Be like the Bereans. Daily, let the God-breathed Scriptures and the leading of the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth. Good morning and God bless you, my brother. Have a beautiful day, and behold His wonderment. Eta: 1 Peter 2:9-10 NASB1995 [9] But you are a CHOSEN RACE, a royal PRESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, a PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; [10] for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE of God; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY. https://bible.com/bible/100/1pe.2.9-10.NASB1995 ~ Peter the Lord's Apostle GOD bless you this day also my brother. I see many in these days that have taken their religion education from seminary or TV or wherever to their job at a church building. I guess believing they are now qualified to teach and run it like some worldly corporation, with the leader and others in leadership being offended by one another and quitting their calling, does one quit a calling?. Other places that have abused children and that organization transfers them to other locations. I can't believe this is the body/church of the LORD JESUS. If so many Jews failed the test in JESUS' time on earth, how much more in the last days? Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit (of a man), and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of GOD. II Peter 1:1-11. Speaks to this. GOD The HOLY SPIRIT is the circumciser of the heart and HE is the gifts giver. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone:I see many in these days that have taken their religion education from seminary or TV or wherever to their job at a church building. I guess believing they are now qualified to teach and run it like some worldly corporation... The quality of the man in the position has very little to do with how educated they are or not. I have seen many educated and uneducated misuse their positions for personal gain and pleasure. I have also seen many educated and uneducated be faithful stewards of what had been entrusted to them. If your point was that religious education is a sure corrupter and a dangerous source of corruption, you are speaking out of ignorance. True religious education, covering theology, church history, exegetical speaking, etc, prepares men to serve as faithful shepherds who will protect their congregations. That said, there are religious educational institutions that teach corrupted doctrine, and they are easy to identify. Quality always comes down to the person. |
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Originally Posted By monadh: The quality of the man in the position has very little to do with how educated they are or not. I have seen many educated and uneducated misuse their positions for personal gain and pleasure. I have also seen many educated and uneducated be faithful stewards of what had been entrusted to them. If your point was that religious education is a sure corrupter and a dangerous source of corruption, you are speaking out of ignorance. True religious education, covering theology, church history, exegetical speaking, etc, prepares men to serve as faithful shepherds who will protect their congregations. That said, there are religious educational institutions that teach corrupted doctrine, and they are easy to identify. Quality always comes down to the person. You missed my point. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Today it is a cringe word for me, 'laity' now it is a man made term for the exclusive religious institutions. I think it says you're no one special; just an ordinary person of God. Something like you must go through the 'clergy' first to get to the Lord and Savior. I believe earlier on the word lay or layity was meant more for love of the brethern. Love covers a multitude of sin. I called on His name, Jesus is alive. Of course, there are functional leadership ministries in the One body, in the roles of elders, overseers and deacons but not a separate sacred class. Clearly the Bible does not divide the church into “clergy” versus “laity.” Remember it is the will of God that we, the ekklēsia, be one in Him. It is the nature of men that choose that division. I can do an entire thread on this, I digress. Ministerial obligations are precisely the difference between clergy and laity. It is vocational. The clergy serves the laity. Do you go into this weird "class struggle" nonsense when St. Peter calls some 'shepherds' and the rest 'the flock?' |
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I read that verse as Jesus is judging the judge of this world. The “him” is the judge previously mentioned. The Prince of this world will be cast down .etc You left off the convenient parts of those verses As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. |
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Originally Posted By Tech-Com: I read that verse as Jesus is judging the judge of this world. The “him” is the judge previously mentioned. The Prince of this world will be cast down .etc You left off the convenient parts of those verses As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. Originally Posted By Tech-Com: I read that verse as Jesus is judging the judge of this world. The “him” is the judge previously mentioned. The Prince of this world will be cast down .etc You left off the convenient parts of those verses As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. Thank you for the commentary. Yes sir, Jesus was sent to save us! He didn't come to judge the world. See John 3:17 John 3:17 NASB1995 [17] For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.3.17.NASB1995 John 12:31 NASB1995 [31] Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.12.31.NASB1995 For some context: John 12:46-48 NASB1995 [46] I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness. [47] If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.12.46-48.NASB1995 Wasn't the enemy judged at the cross? The shed blood of Jesus is on the mercy seat. He Himself is our propitiation (hilasterion). Once and for all. Eta: 1 John 2:2 NASB1995 [2] and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. https://bible.com/bible/100/1jn.2.2.NASB1995 Thank you. I'm not jumping to disagree with you. However, If I stand corrected please point it out in the Scriptures for me. All of Scripture’s prophetic revelation finds its center and purpose in bearing witness to Jesus. Therefore, the Word that judges is the same Word that offers salvation. At the cross Jesus settled it once and for all with His shed blood. Through His death, burial and resurrection. Redemption was made once and for all. Acts 10:40-43 NASB1995 [40] God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible, [41] not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. [42] And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead. [43] Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” https://bible.com/bible/100/act.10.40-43.NASB1995 He is alive, Jesus is Lord. Eta: Jesus said this to his disciples about the gift of the Holy Spirit. John 16:7-11 NASB1995 [7] But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.  And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; [9] concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; [10] and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; [11] and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.16.7-11.NASB1995 When exactly was the adversary judged? He is a defeated enemy. We have the victory in Christ Jesus. Was it before the foundation of the world? |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You missed my point. Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By monadh: The quality of the man in the position has very little to do with how educated they are or not. I have seen many educated and uneducated misuse their positions for personal gain and pleasure. I have also seen many educated and uneducated be faithful stewards of what had been entrusted to them. If your point was that religious education is a sure corrupter and a dangerous source of corruption, you are speaking out of ignorance. True religious education, covering theology, church history, exegetical speaking, etc, prepares men to serve as faithful shepherds who will protect their congregations. That said, there are religious educational institutions that teach corrupted doctrine, and they are easy to identify. Quality always comes down to the person. You missed my point. Very possible. Please clarify your point that I missed |
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Originally Posted By monadh: Very possible. Please clarify your point that I missed Originally Posted By monadh: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By monadh: The quality of the man in the position has very little to do with how educated they are or not. I have seen many educated and uneducated misuse their positions for personal gain and pleasure. I have also seen many educated and uneducated be faithful stewards of what had been entrusted to them. If your point was that religious education is a sure corrupter and a dangerous source of corruption, you are speaking out of ignorance. True religious education, covering theology, church history, exegetical speaking, etc, prepares men to serve as faithful shepherds who will protect their congregations. That said, there are religious educational institutions that teach corrupted doctrine, and they are easy to identify. Quality always comes down to the person. You missed my point. Very possible. Please clarify your point that I missed You stated if my point is religious education is a sure corrupter and a dangerous choice that I was speaking out of ignorance. I was referring to what I see in these last days just in my walk the last passing fast 35+ years. See Matthew 7:15-20 and Luke 6:43-49. You shall know them by their fruits. How or if are they being led by the Holy Spirit. So, what is the heart of the matter? The "heart", circumcised by The HOLY SPIRIT, or still remaining uncircumcised. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You stated if my point is religious education is a sure corrupter and a dangerous choice that I was speaking out of ignorance. I was referring to what I see in these last days just in my walk the last passing fast 35+ years. See Matthew 7:15-20 and Luke 6:43-49. You shall know them by their fruits. How or if are they being led by the Holy Spirit. So, what is the heart of the matter? The "heart", circumcised by The HOLY SPIRIT, or still remaining uncircumcised. Then we were saying the same thing. It gets down to the man himself. You bringing up religious education at the start of your post appeared to point fingers at the education itself. Absolutely there are men who, by virtue of their education, believe they are highly qualified to lead. There are also others who cut out the educational process entirely and believe they are qualified to lead based on their pride. It always gets down to the man. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: When exactly was the adversary judged? He is a defeated enemy. We have the victory in Christ Jesus. Was it before the foundation of the world? Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By Tech-Com: I read that verse as Jesus is judging the judge of this world. The “him” is the judge previously mentioned. The Prince of this world will be cast down .etc You left off the convenient parts of those verses As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. When exactly was the adversary judged? He is a defeated enemy. We have the victory in Christ Jesus. Was it before the foundation of the world? Within the generation Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24, made possible with the blood of Christ and His elect witnesses. They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.”(Revelation 12:11-12) |
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Originally Posted By monadh: Then we were saying the same thing. It gets down to the man himself. You bringing up religious education at the start of your post appeared to point fingers at the education itself. Absolutely there are men who, by virtue of their education, believe they are highly qualified to lead. There are also others who cut out the educational process entirely and believe they are qualified to lead based on their pride. It always gets down to the man. Originally Posted By monadh: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You stated if my point is religious education is a sure corrupter and a dangerous choice that I was speaking out of ignorance. I was referring to what I see in these last days just in my walk the last passing fast 35+ years. See Matthew 7:15-20 and Luke 6:43-49. You shall know them by their fruits. How or if are they being led by the Holy Spirit. So, what is the heart of the matter? The "heart", circumcised by The HOLY SPIRIT, or still remaining uncircumcised. Then we were saying the same thing. It gets down to the man himself. You bringing up religious education at the start of your post appeared to point fingers at the education itself. Absolutely there are men who, by virtue of their education, believe they are highly qualified to lead. There are also others who cut out the educational process entirely and believe they are qualified to lead based on their pride. It always gets down to the man. It always comes down to is a man called by GOD and gifted for the call by the HOLY SPIRIT? All else is in vain. |
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Originally Posted By Tech-Com: Within the generation Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24, made possible with the blood of Christ and His elect witnesses. They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.”(Revelation 12:11-12) Originally Posted By Tech-Com: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By Tech-Com: I read that verse as Jesus is judging the judge of this world. The “him” is the judge previously mentioned. The Prince of this world will be cast down .etc You left off the convenient parts of those verses As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. When exactly was the adversary judged? He is a defeated enemy. We have the victory in Christ Jesus. Was it before the foundation of the world? Within the generation Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24, made possible with the blood of Christ and His elect witnesses. They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.”(Revelation 12:11-12) Thank you for your response. Yes, Amen. Matthew 24:34-35 ESV [34] Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. [35] Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.24.34-35.ESV Matthew 24:44 ESV [44] Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.24.44.ESV 1 Corinthians 15:22-26 ESV [22] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. [23] But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. [24] Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. [25] For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy to be destroyed is death. https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.15.22-26.ESV We are born into the Kingdom of God. Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords. Psalm 110:1 ESV [1] The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.110.1.ESV (see Matthew 22:44, Mark 12:36, Luke 20:42 and Acts 2:34-35) |
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When we are led by the Spirit and proclaim or speak the truth to the world are we judging them? To know Jesus and to make Him known. To be His witnesses. ..."You are the Christ the Son of the living God." ~ Peter the Lord's Apostle Acts 1:4-8 NASB1995 [4] Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; [5] for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” [6] So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” [7] He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority; but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”https://bible.com/bible/100/act.1.4-8.NASB1995 Jesus He is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. Jesus Christ is Lord. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: When we are led by the Spirit and proclaim or speak the truth to the world are we judging them? To know Jesus and to make Him known. To be His witnesses. ..."You are the Christ the Son of the living God." ~ Peter the Lord's Apostle Acts 1:4-8 NASB1995 [4] Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; [5] for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” [6] So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” [7] He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority; but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”https://bible.com/bible/100/act.1.4-8.NASB1995 Jesus He is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and fire. Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen. Abide in the LORD JESUS in His HOLY SPIRIT. He tells us in John chapter 15. Without Him we can do nothing. |
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What do the Scriptures say about the Judgment? John 5:22-27 NASB1995 [22] For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, [23] so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. [24] “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. [25] Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. [26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; [27] and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.5.22-27.NASB1995 ~ Jesus the Son of Man These events are recorded (written) in the Scripture: The judgment seat of Christ (for believers), and at Christ's return the judgment of the nations (sheep and goats) then the great white throne judgment (for the unsaved dead). The judgment seat of Christ (for all believers); this is an evaluation of works for reward or loss of reward - not condemnation. Believers are already justified by their faith in Christ and will not face the wrath of God. 2 Corinthians 5:10 NASB1995 [10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. https://bible.com/bible/100/2co.5.10.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Romans 14:10-12 NASB1995 [10] But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. [11] For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.” [12] So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.14.10-12.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Believers "do not come into judgement" in the sense of condemnation (see John 5:24; Romans 8:1) Romans 8:1 NASB1995 [1] Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.8.1.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle At Christ's return He judges the living nations, He separates the sheep from the goats. Matthew 25:31-33, 46 NASB1995 [31] “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. [32] All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [33] and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. [46] These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.25.31-46.NASB1995 ~ Jesus the Son of Man Then... after 1000 years (millennium) or is that a day? The great white throne, the final judgment of the unsaved dead. This is the final judgment of condemnation. People are judged according to their deeds recorded in the books. Those whos names are not in the Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15 NASB1995 [11] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. [12]And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. [14] Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. [15] And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. https://bible.com/bible/100/rev.20.11-15.NASB1995 ~ John the Lord's Apostle Jesus Christ is the Judge in all of these (see John 5:22-27). Then, the issue for eternal destiny is whether a person has received the testimony of Jesus; the spirit of prophecy by faith. --- I had known of the two judgment events (bema seat) and great white throne until again recently and during Bible study have learned more about the living nations at His coming. Hmm. Death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire too. ...Also the devil, he's thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and false prophet were... they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (see Revelation 20:10). --- I need more work on the end or last things, I haven't arrived yet. Psalms 25:4-5 NASB1995 [4] Make me know Your ways, O Lord; Teach me Your paths. [5] Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; For You I wait all the day. https://bible.com/bible/100/psa.25.4-5.NASB1995 In being honest with myself and while examining the Scriptures, I tremble at the revelation of His Word and I am humbled by the Truth. Jesus preached this message, 'repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand'. Acts 17:31 NASB1995 [31] because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”... https://bible.com/bible/100/act.17.31.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Do you personally identify with His death, burial and resurrection? I called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord. Zero in, make Love your aim! |
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John 5: 38-40 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Everyone should know and study the Bible, But until you repent of your sin, (Understanding that your in sin and need a Saviour) And make a heartfelt plea to the Lord Jesus Christ to save you. If you do not do that, then you don't understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ, who was the Word made Flesh. |
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I'm holding on tight to God and He's got me by the right hand. He is a very present help in time of trouble (I could tell you of some times of trouble) I called on the name of the Lord and He saved me. Be enCOURAGEd today my brother. Isaiah 41:10 ESV [10] fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand. https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.41.10.ESV ~ Isaiah the LORD's prophet Psalm 139:7 ESV [7] Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? https://bible.com/bible/59/psa.139.7.ESV The 'good news' message! O LORD, he who has an ear let him hear; in the strong name of Jesus. John 3:16-18 ESV [16] “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. [18] Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.3.16-18.ESV ~ Jesus the Son of God John 3:36 ESV [36] Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.3.36.ESV ~ Jesus the Son of Man John 5:24 ESV [24] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.24.ESV ~ Jesus Son of Man Son of God John 14:6 ESV [6] Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.14.6.ESV ~ Jesus Son of Man Son of God Acts 4:12 ESV [12] And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” https://bible.com/bible/59/act.4.12.ESV ~ Peter the Lord's Apostle Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.2.8-9.ESV ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Romans 10:9-10 ESV [9] because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.10.9-10.ESV ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle John 1:12 ESV [12] But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.1.12.ESV ~ John the Lord's Apostle The Scriptures establish that the saved are those who personally believe, receive & trust in Jesus Christ. Faith includes acknowledging who He is (the Son of God who died for sins and rose again) and relying on Him alone for forgiveness and eternal life. Jesus Christ died for my sin personally. He is who He says He is. He is alive. I trust Him. Love God, love people, shine His Light. Maranatha |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: John 5: 38-40 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Everyone should know and study the Bible, But until you repent of your sin, (Understanding that your in sin and need a Saviour) And make a heartfelt plea to the Lord Jesus Christ to save you. If you do not do that, then you don't understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ, who was the Word made Flesh. Yes, amen. So be it! Jesus, He is Faithful and True. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 ESV [3] ...For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, [4] that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, ... https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.15.3-4.ESV ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle There is forgiveness in his name. Acts 10:43 ESV [43] To him (Jesus) all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” https://bible.com/bible/59/act.10.43.ESV ~ Peter the Lord's Apostle |
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You have to understand the context: who was Jesus addressing? It wasn't Christians - that won't become available until the Day of Pentacost. He was addressing Israel - the Bride of Christ. We are the Body of Christ. Jesus wasn't addressing us. Originally Posted By Bishop3: Does God give His Holy Spirit only to those who obey Him? Yes. If you believe Romans 10:9 - confess Jesus as your Lord and believe God raised him from the dead then you are absolutely saved. You are born again as a three part being of body, soul and spirit. |
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Originally Posted By wvfarrier: There are 144,000 who have been chosen to be the First . The rest of us are REQUIRED to follow the instructions of The Christ to be worthy of salvation. Its all pretty well spelled out for us Those 144,000 will be chosen from among the twelve tribes of Israel - the Bride of Christ. Again, we are the Body of Christ. |
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Originally Posted By SCR556: Those 144,000 will be chosen from among the twelve tribes of Israel - the Bride of Christ. Again, we are the Body of Christ. A study of the Bride and the Body of JESUS the Christ seems in order. Does the parable of the 10 virgins with their lamps and oil tell us something we need on this? Matthew 25:1-13. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: What do the Scriptures say about the Judgment? John 5:22-27 NASB1995 [22] For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, [23] so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. [24] “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. [25] Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. [26] For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; [27] and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.5.22-27.NASB1995 ~ Jesus the Son of Man These events are recorded (written) in the Scripture: The judgment seat of Christ (for believers), and at Christ's return the judgment of the nations (sheep and goats) then the great white throne judgment (for the unsaved dead). The judgment seat of Christ (for all believers); this is an evaluation of works for reward or loss of reward - not condemnation. Believers are already justified by their faith in Christ and will not face the wrath of God. 2 Corinthians 5:10 NASB1995 [10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. https://bible.com/bible/100/2co.5.10.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Romans 14:10-12 NASB1995 [10] But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. [11] For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.” [12] So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.14.10-12.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Believers "do not come into judgement" in the sense of condemnation (see John 5:24; Romans 8:1) Romans 8:1 NASB1995 [1] Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.8.1.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle At Christ's return He judges the living nations, He separates the sheep from the goats. Matthew 25:31-33, 46 NASB1995 [31] “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. [32] All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [33] and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. [46] These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.25.31-46.NASB1995 ~ Jesus the Son of Man Then... after 1000 years (millennium) or is that a day? The great white throne, the final judgment of the unsaved dead. This is the final judgment of condemnation. People are judged according to their deeds recorded in the books. Those whos names are not in the Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15 NASB1995 [11] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. [12]And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. [14] Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. [15] And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. https://bible.com/bible/100/rev.20.11-15.NASB1995 ~ John the Lord's Apostle Jesus Christ is the Judge in all of these (see John 5:22-27). Then, the issue for eternal destiny is whether a person has received the testimony of Jesus; the spirit of prophecy by faith. --- I had known of the two judgment events (bema seat) and great white throne until again recently and during Bible study have learned more about the living nations at His coming. Hmm. Death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire too. ...Also the devil, he's thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and false prophet were... they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (see Revelation 20:10). --- I need more work on the end or last things, I haven't arrived yet. Psalms 25:4-5 NASB1995 [4] Make me know Your ways, O Lord; Teach me Your paths. [5] Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; For You I wait all the day. https://bible.com/bible/100/psa.25.4-5.NASB1995 In being honest with myself and while examining the Scriptures, I tremble at the revelation of His Word and I am humbled by the Truth. Jesus preached this message, 'repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand'. Acts 17:31 NASB1995 [31] because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”... https://bible.com/bible/100/act.17.31.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Do you personally identify with His death, burial and resurrection? I called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord. Zero in, make Love your aim! Yes, this is very sobering and humbling. Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living GOD. When JESUS comes again as spoken in 2Thessalonians chapters 1 and 2. The apostle finishes to the believer with 2:16-17 Now our Lord JESUS Christ Himself, and GOD, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and establish you in every good word and work. |
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Originally Posted By SCR556: Those 144,000 will be chosen from among the twelve tribes of Israel - the Bride of Christ. Again, we are the Body of Christ. Originally Posted By SCR556: Originally Posted By wvfarrier: There are 144,000 who have been chosen to be the First . The rest of us are REQUIRED to follow the instructions of The Christ to be worthy of salvation. Its all pretty well spelled out for us Those 144,000 will be chosen from among the twelve tribes of Israel - the Bride of Christ. Again, we are the Body of Christ. Where in the Scripture is this distinction, 'the bride of Christ' and the body of Christ? In Scripture the ἐκκλησία ekklēsia (called out assembly, church) is repeatedly called the body of Christ. Is the word ekklēsia ever specifically applied to the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation? 'For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.' Ephesians 5:23-32 https://www.bible.com/bible/100/EPH.5.23-32.NASB1995 'For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin. ' 2 Corinthians 11:2 https://www.bible.com/bible/100/2CO.11.2.NASB1995 'Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’ ” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.” ' Revelation 19:7-9 https://www.bible.com/bible/100/REV.19.7-9.NASB1995 'And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” ' Revelation 21:2,9 https://www.bible.com/bible/100/REV.21.2,9.NASB1995 It is my current understanding that the Scriptures present the church (ekklēsia, called out assembly) as both the body of Christ and His bride/wife. Good morning. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Where in the Scripture is this distinction, 'the bride of Christ' and the body of Christ? In Scripture the ἐκκλησία ekklēsia (called out assembly, church) is repeatedly called the body of Christ. Is the word ekklēsia ever specifically applied to the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation? Originally Posted By Bishop3: Where in the Scripture is this distinction, 'the bride of Christ' and the body of Christ? In Scripture the ἐκκλησία ekklēsia (called out assembly, church) is repeatedly called the body of Christ. Is the word ekklēsia ever specifically applied to the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation? Part of the distiction is to whom each book is addressed. Jesus came first for the lost sheep of Israel. Israel being the servants of God. They are the Bride of Christ. After Pentacost, it was available to get born again as sons of God and joint heirs with Christ - in the Church Epistles (addressed to us as born again believers) we are called the Body of Christ. 'For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church... This is simply presenting the marriage as an anology of the relationship a husband and wife have using Jesus as an example. The emphasis here is on the marriage relationship. Revelation isn't addressed to us but to the twelve tribes after the gathering together. |
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Originally Posted By monadh: There will be a lot of people surprised and disappointed to hear this new truth Originally Posted By monadh: Originally Posted By SCR556: Revelation isn't addressed to us but to the twelve tribes after the gathering together. There will be a lot of people surprised and disappointed to hear this new truth The Book of Revelation itself is addressed to His bondservants and the seven churches in Asia. It is a message for the churches. What, do you believe that the called-out assembly in Asia were all Israelites and there were no gentiles? Now, Jesus, he is a Jewish rabbi. Do you read the Scriptures from right to left? I want to understand what your perspective or views are on the things of God? Does Love still fulfill the Law? If I stand corrected, please help me. God is Love. There is no favoritism with Him! 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ' Galatians 3:28 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle https://www.bible.com/bible/100/GAL.3.28.NASB1995 I think it was maybe this morning during some prayer/ reflection with my Father, the word 'bondservant' was on my mind and in my heart. Yes, you must be born again to see the Kingdom of God. I am His bondservant; I belong to Him. Help me to understand what you might be asserting? Here are some Scriptures we can examine together: 'For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. ' John 1:17 ~ John the Lord's Apostle https://www.bible.com/bible/100/JHN.1.17.NASB1995 ' “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.' Matthew 5:17 https://www.bible.com/bible/59/MAT.5.17.ESV ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God 'For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. ' Romans 10:4 https://www.bible.com/bible/59/ROM.10.4.ESV ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle (Footnote: Or goal.) Christ is the telos (end/goal/culmination) of the Law with respect to righteousness, not the Law itself. Attached File 'So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,' ... Galatians 3:24-25 https://www.bible.com/bible/59/GAL.3.24-25.ESV ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle 'To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. ' 1 Corinthians 9:21 https://www.bible.com/bible/59/1CO.9.21.ESV ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle 'Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.' ... Galatians 6:2 https://www.bible.com/bible/59/GAL.6.2.ESV ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle You might want to write out a list of the laws or other I am to keep up with. I'll start with two: 'One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” ' Matthew 22:35-40 https://www.bible.com/bible/100/MAT.22.35-40.NASB1995 ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God Remember, His yoke is easy and His burden is light... some ignorant men might want to put a yoke on you that is not the Lord's. Christ is our yokefellow (true companion or partner in the work). Test all things, hold on to what is good. Thank you for your engagement, I have a lot to learn about the things of God. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: The Book of Revelation itself is addressed to His bondservants and the seven churches in Asia. It is a message for the churches. Originally Posted By Bishop3: The Book of Revelation itself is addressed to His bondservants and the seven churches in Asia. It is a message for the churches. Are you part of any of the churches in Asia? The Church Epistles are addressed to the chuch in each specific city...and those who are in Christ Jesus (or some variation thereof). The Book of Revelation is prophesy relating to events that follow the gathering together - the Wrath. We are spared from the Wrath and so this book does not apply to us and it cannot be rightly divided until that time. There are a few things in this book we can get info from (like the birthdate of Jesus Christ), but overall this book applies to the next administration (dispensation). What, do you believe that the called-out assembly in Asia were all Israelites and there were no gentiles? Now, Jesus, he is a Jewish rabbi. Do you read the Scriptures from right to left? I want to understand what your perspective or views are on the things of God? Does Love still fulfill the Law? If I stand corrected, please help me. Really wish I could - but I can't and anyone who says he can is a liar. II Pet. 1:21 commands us not to privately interpret (i.e. guess) at the meaning of any scripture. Outside iof a few verses, anything I could offer would be guess. God is Love. There is no favoritism with Him! 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ' Galatians 3:28 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Galations is written to us so this applies to us. I think it was maybe this morning during some prayer/ reflection with my Father, the word 'bondservant' was on my mind and in my heart. Yes, you must be born again to see the Kingdom of God. I am His bondservant; I belong to Him. Help me to understand what you might be asserting? Here are some Scriptures we can examine together: 'For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. ' John 1:17 ~ John the Lord's Apostle Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, we benefit from God's grace because of Jesus Christ's accomplishments. ' “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.' Matthew 5:17 ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God 'For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. ' Romans 10:4 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle All of these verses tie in together to emphasize that key point. (Footnote: Or goal.) Christ is the telos (end/goal/culmination) of the Law with respect to righteousness, not the Law itself. 'So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,' ... Galatians 3:24-25 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle In KJV, guardian is translated as schoolmaster - I'll have to research it but I believe it is the better descriptor. 'To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. ' 1 Corinthians 9:21 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Paul knew how to relate to people. 'One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” ' Matthew 22:35-40 ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God By this time, there were about 900 laws that the children of Israel were burdened with (which started with just 10 commandments). Jesus Christ brilliantly summed up all of those laws into just two commandments. Remember, His yoke is easy and His burden is light... some ignorant men might want to put a yoke on you that is not the Lord's. Christ is our yokefellow (true companion or partner in the work). Test all things, hold on to what is good. This is a great paradox! By adhering to God's Word (perceived by the natural man as a burden) we actually attain tremendous freedom! Thank you for your engagement, I have a lot to learn about the things of God. As do we all. As do we all. |
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Originally Posted By SCR556: Are you part of any of the churches in Asia? The Church Epistles are addressed to the chuch in each specific city...and those who are in Christ Jesus (or some variation thereof). The Book of Revelation is prophesy relating to events that follow the gathering together - the Wrath. We are spared from the Wrath and so this book does not apply to us and it cannot be rightly divided until that time. There are a few things in this book we can get info from (like the birthdate of Jesus Christ), but overall this book applies to the next administration (dispensation). Really wish I could - but I can't and anyone who says he can is a liar. II Pet. 1:21 commands us not to privately interpret (i.e. guess) at the meaning of any scripture. Outside iof a few verses, anything I could offer would be guess. Galations is written to us so this applies to us. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, we benefit from God's grace because of Jesus Christ's accomplishments. The Law was written to keep man in a redeemable state until Christ came to fulfill the Law. All of these verses tie in together to emphasize that key point. In KJV, guardian is translated as schoolmaster - I'll have to research it but I believe it is the better descriptor. Paul knew how to relate to people. By this time, there were about 900 laws that the children of Israel were burdened with (which started with just 10 commandments). Jesus Christ brilliantly summed up all of those laws into just two commandments. This is a great paradox! By adhering to God's Word (perceived by the natural man as a burden) we actually attain tremendous freedom! As do we all. As do we all. Originally Posted By SCR556: Originally Posted By Bishop3: The Book of Revelation itself is addressed to His bondservants and the seven churches in Asia. It is a message for the churches. Are you part of any of the churches in Asia? The Church Epistles are addressed to the chuch in each specific city...and those who are in Christ Jesus (or some variation thereof). The Book of Revelation is prophesy relating to events that follow the gathering together - the Wrath. We are spared from the Wrath and so this book does not apply to us and it cannot be rightly divided until that time. There are a few things in this book we can get info from (like the birthdate of Jesus Christ), but overall this book applies to the next administration (dispensation). What, do you believe that the called-out assembly in Asia were all Israelites and there were no gentiles? Now, Jesus, he is a Jewish rabbi. Do you read the Scriptures from right to left? I want to understand what your perspective or views are on the things of God? Does Love still fulfill the Law? If I stand corrected, please help me. Really wish I could - but I can't and anyone who says he can is a liar. II Pet. 1:21 commands us not to privately interpret (i.e. guess) at the meaning of any scripture. Outside iof a few verses, anything I could offer would be guess. God is Love. There is no favoritism with Him! 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ' Galatians 3:28 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Galations is written to us so this applies to us. I think it was maybe this morning during some prayer/ reflection with my Father, the word 'bondservant' was on my mind and in my heart. Yes, you must be born again to see the Kingdom of God. I am His bondservant; I belong to Him. Help me to understand what you might be asserting? Here are some Scriptures we can examine together: 'For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. ' John 1:17 ~ John the Lord's Apostle Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, we benefit from God's grace because of Jesus Christ's accomplishments. ' “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.' Matthew 5:17 ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God 'For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. ' Romans 10:4 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle All of these verses tie in together to emphasize that key point. (Footnote: Or goal.) Christ is the telos (end/goal/culmination) of the Law with respect to righteousness, not the Law itself. 'So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,' ... Galatians 3:24-25 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle In KJV, guardian is translated as schoolmaster - I'll have to research it but I believe it is the better descriptor. 'To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. ' 1 Corinthians 9:21 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Paul knew how to relate to people. 'One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” ' Matthew 22:35-40 ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God By this time, there were about 900 laws that the children of Israel were burdened with (which started with just 10 commandments). Jesus Christ brilliantly summed up all of those laws into just two commandments. Remember, His yoke is easy and His burden is light... some ignorant men might want to put a yoke on you that is not the Lord's. Christ is our yokefellow (true companion or partner in the work). Test all things, hold on to what is good. This is a great paradox! By adhering to God's Word (perceived by the natural man as a burden) we actually attain tremendous freedom! Thank you for your engagement, I have a lot to learn about the things of God. As do we all. As do we all. What I long for is daily communion with Him, the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank God for His Holy Spirit. Galatians 3:28 NASB1995 [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. https://bible.com/bible/100/gal.3.28.NASB1995 The gift (charis) of God, who can recieve it? Do we recieve the gift of our salvation by faith or is it attained by our good works, deeds or intentions? Salvation is a free gift. How do you recieve any gift? How do you receive anything from God? I called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus saves! The revelation of the cross. Jesus personally died for my sin, was buried and rose again on the third day. His shed blood was for forgiveness of sins once and for all. Now, is that enough or is my relationship/fellowship with God based on my performance. When I do sin (I hate sin); thank God, He has given us an advocate in His Son Jesus Christ. That relationship/ fellowship with God is only through Him (the Lord Jesus Christ). We are to grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord and walk out (daily taking up our cross) our own salvation in Him. He gives us new Life. Christ in you, the hope of glory. 1 John 1:9 NASB1995 [9] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. https://bible.com/bible/100/1jn.1.9.NASB1995 1 John 2:1-2 NASB1995 [1] My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; [2] and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. https://bible.com/bible/100/1jn.2.1-2.NASB1995 He did it. Jesus died for my sin. I received His forgiveness by faith. Thank you Lord for your unspeakable gift of salvation. 2 Corinthians 9:15 NASB1995 [15] Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift! https://bible.com/bible/100/2co.9.15.NASB1995 Romans 6:23 NASB1995 [23] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.6.23.NASB1995 God gives freely; He demonstrates His own love towards us... Romans 5:8 NASB1995 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.5.8.NASB1995 Yes, Christ died for sinners. I trust Him. Ephesians 2:8-9 NASB1995 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [9] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. https://bible.com/bible/100/eph.2.8-9.NASB1995 Ephesians 2:11-16 NASB1995 [11] Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— [12] remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [13] But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. [14] For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, [15] by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, [16] and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. https://bible.com/bible/100/eph.2.11-16.NASB1995 Good morning.  |
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Originally Posted By monadh: There will be a lot of people surprised and disappointed to hear this new truth Originally Posted By monadh: Originally Posted By SCR556: Revelation isn't addressed to us but to the twelve tribes after the gathering together. There will be a lot of people surprised and disappointed to hear this new truth Mostly because it’s not true. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Does God give His Holy Spirit only to those who obey Him? @Bishop3 How can I tell if I am obeying what Jesus said to do. If you read the threads you, and others, post one would believe you need a doctorate in theology and ME history to understand the Bible. I do read quite a few of your posts trying to figure them out. And it is in those that I see even the most learned here do not agree with many biblical ideas. So, how is an ignorant layman such as my self supposed to find salvation if those talking about salvation cannot always agree on the path. |