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We hate communists, right?

Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists?

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I mean, FJB. But let’s be real.

What should our phased and flexible response options be?  How does GD think we should posture?

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Here are a few ideas:

Sanction the oligarchs including Putin directly.

Reinforce Eastern European NATO nations; expand NATO (Sweden, Finland… anyone else??).

Get Germany and France in line.

Lock Russia out of swift.

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I think we should pull all of our shit out of the rest of the world.  Fortify the fuck out of our defenses.  Build an economy around our own production and resources and mind our own fucking business.  With our nuke supply nobody will ever invade or attack us.  We just need to be more self sufficient.

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We hate communists, right?

Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists?

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I think we should pull all of our shit out of the rest of the world.  Fortify the fuck out of our defenses.  Build an economy around our own production and resources and mind our own fucking business.  With our nuke supply nobody will ever invade or attack us.  We just need to be more self sufficient.

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We hate communists, right?

Until it’s time to actually bring some hate to the communists?

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Put 50k troops in The Ukraine

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Ask Russia to pay off our national debt then let them have the Ukraine.

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Fund and supply Ukraine so they can maintain an active insurgency against Russia that is simply unbearable for Russia long term. Bleed Russia dry. Then flood eastern Europe with men and equipment so that the very thing Putin seems to fear most (US troops in the region) comes to pass on a grand scale. And cut them off at the ankles with sanctions for good measure. We can't go kinetic on the bastards over Ukraine. But we should do pretty much anything short of that. Now, if they actually try to pull any shit with any NATO member nation, then we need to immediately do to them what we did to the Wagner Group contractors in Syria. Squash those fuckers like bugs.

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We should do nothing.

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I don't see a clear win here.

The moment the US commits to war in Ukraine, I see China rolling into Taiwan. If we commit in Taiwan, Russia is probably steam-rolling in Ukraine. If we commit to both, I think we lose a lot of Americans and both countries fall to Russia and China.

If we do nothing, both countries fall to bad people. Not that either are perfect on their own. Losing Taiwan means we're completely dependant on China for microchips, unless that has changed. Losing Ukraine means Russia has more access to the oil pipeline there (name escapes me) and the EU is at Russia's mercy for a considerable percentage of their oil.

ANNEX I
[Original: English and Russian]
Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s
Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear
Weapons

Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America,
Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation
of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear
weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end
of the cold war, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in
nuclear forces,
Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to
Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on
Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty
and the existing borders of Ukraine;

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to
refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be
used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the
Charter of the United Nations;

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to
Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on
Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed
to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights
inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind;

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to
seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to
Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the
Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an
act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear
weapons are used;

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of
Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclearweapon
State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons,
except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent
territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association
or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State;

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event
a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

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Can we just once since 1950 stop being the world's top cop?