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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:18:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think only LE members have access to the secure areas of this site? I assume that also includes spouses in many cases. Other than that, staff. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:19:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cant speak for all cops on here. But it definitely didnt look good for a site rep to be suggesting that to the local body in an open forum. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:19:35 AM EDT
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He's advocating for the elimination of the reasonable officer standard. That's not a good idea for law enforcement or the nation. It would make judging an officers actions in a use of force incident entirely arbitrary and subject to politics even more than it currently is. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can look at anytime. Nothing prevents or tracks them from just browsing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:24:09 AM EDT
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They can look at anytime. Nothing prevents or tracks them from just browsing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think there was one ban over listgate. The whistleblower who let everyone know about it. Nothing prevents or tracks them from just browsing. But to your point, if a cop wants to send a really private message use teletype (or whatever your official messaging is called these days). If a military member wants to then send an encrypted email or just go to SIPR. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:24:33 AM EDT
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He's advocating for the elimination of the reasonable officer standard. That's not a good idea for law enforcement or the nation. It would make judging an officers actions in a use of force incident entirely arbitrary and subject to politics even more than it currently is. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:28:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: except "reasonable officer" has been stretched to make stuff that is unreasonable to an "average person of ordinary prudence" reasonable to any officer who is well-coached enough to say "was that wrong? I didn't think it was wrong. You see, 15 years ago my FTO told me that was OK..." 
Shit has to stop somewhere. These things used to be one off rare cases. But in Fort Worth we got two in recent memory and Dallas just convicted a cop for it. SHIT HAS TO STOP. Killing people in their own houses like that is bullshit. Being critical of it in not COP HATE, it is FREEDOM LOVE. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:30:05 AM EDT
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I see a day soon where every thread critical of police is locked with the system message "STOP RESISTING!!"
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:32:50 AM EDT
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I see a day soon where every thread critical of police is locked with the system message "STOP RESISTING!!" 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:34:33 AM EDT
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except "reasonable officer" has been stretched to make stuff that is unreasonable to an "average reasonable person of ordinary prudence" reasonable to any officer who is well-coached enough to say "was that wrong? I didn't think it was wrong. You see, 15 years ago my FTO told me that was OK..." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's advocating for the elimination of the reasonable officer standard. That's not a good idea for law enforcement or the nation. It would make judging an officers actions in a use of force incident entirely arbitrary and subject to politics even more than it currently is. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:36:01 AM EDT
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Why? Is not going to the legislative body not the proper, legal method to affect change to laws/policy/procedures that cops are using that are inherently putting innocent people in jeopardy of death or serious injury? How is that cop hate? Why would not all cops want to make everyone safer when they are around? Or do all cops feel that innocent law abiding citizens dying at the hands of official laws/rules/procedures is no big deal and nothing to be concerned about? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Cant speak for all cops on here. But it definitely didnt look good for a site rep to be suggesting that to the local body in an open forum. @VooDoo3dfx Perhaps they might want to consider that some municipal officials, whose duties include oversight of a department, are already here and paying attention to the prevailing attitudes? 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:37:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would suspect that staff has access but would expect that they don't wade in unless they have a particular reason to. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:40:37 AM EDT
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And yet it took an honest cop to step forward and share the info with the general forum and the outrage of the forum to finally get it shutdown...supposedly...Oh and the guy that stepped forward...banned a half hour later.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They can look at anytime. Nothing prevents or tracks them from just browsing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:41:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the whole point of the thing, was it not? Only POST certified LE. I assume that also includes spouses in many cases. Other than that, staff. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:41:20 AM EDT
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They can see anything that's posted. They also can post there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I would suspect that staff has access but would expect that they don't wade in unless they have a particular reason to. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:42:21 AM EDT
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So, any thread that mentions members in secure forums is forbidden? What if those threads are negative in nature towards those members mentioned? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: They can look at anytime. Nothing prevents or tracks them from just browsing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:42:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @AKSnowRider @VooDoo3dfx Perhaps they might want to consider that some municipal officials, whose duties include oversight of a department, are already here and paying attention to the prevailing attitudes? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:43:59 AM EDT
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Becoming? He absolutely WAS anti police, from the moment he was granted moderator status he was clearly against officers on the forum. It was the worst choice the owners have made in elevating someone to moderator status, in my opinion. And for that...…….BOOM...…….he was removed from Staff. That just doesn't sit well with me TC...…..not that what I think means a hill of beans but it just plain doesn't sit well with me that he is banned from Staff for being anti LEO to an extent that I assume can be argued as to the level of "anti-LEO". He was never cited for posting abusive, threatening or below the belt insults at the LEO's here according to krpind but he was removed from Staff because he was too anti LEO. Oh well...…….what I think isn't that important but I am a bit disappointed FWIW. YMMV. Quoted:
What everyone should do is send a link of this thread to your local Senator and reps and point at the posts made by the cops here and ask them for protections via actual laws that prevent the use of a completely unreasonable standard that is being used under the guise of a reasonable officer. The reasonable officer standard is a court case. It can be superseded by actual legislation of the states. I mean if these guys are serious, and not trolling, if for any reason the police have a reason to be at our home, we are in grave danger of being killed for no reason other than wanting to protect our loved ones from danger. That seems like a legitimate reason for a new law to me. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:44:53 AM EDT
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If you mention content from any of the limited access forums on GD you're going to have a bad day. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:45:46 AM EDT
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And yet it took an honest cop to step forward and share the info with the general forum and the outrage of the forum to finally get it shutdown...supposedly...Oh and the guy that stepped forward...banned a half hour later.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They can look at anytime. Nothing prevents or tracks them from just browsing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:46:10 AM EDT
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Thats not what I asked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you mention content from any of the limited access forums on GD you're going to have a bad day. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:48:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was eluding to site staff. The IT guy at your agency possibly has or can acquire higher access (if he so chose to use it) than the boss. I'm not really following your point though. It's a problem Staff have access to the LE forum? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:49:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, any thread that mentions members in secure forums is forbidden? What if those threads are negative in nature towards those members mentioned? And like all things American, once found out why not expose it to the light and makes sure it was clearly disinfected? Let me ask you this...is the DOJ/FBI/CIA and all those other liberal controlled agencies that are functioning against the will of voters/rule of law/Constitution also a closed door secret society that should be allowed to continue and be protected or should it be brought out into the light and let all of society see it for what it truly is? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:50:20 AM EDT
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I see a day soon where every thread critical of police is locked with the system message "STOP RESISTING!!" 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:50:37 AM EDT
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Technically he wasn't a cop anymore at that point, he had posted in GD that he got fired. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:53:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Racism and porn would improve the site? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:54:42 AM EDT
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I suppose it would depend on did it involve nefarious planning to get certain members banned/A-rocked...if it wasn't for something nefarious, why would it need to be hidden behind closed forums? And like all things American, once found out why not expose it to the light and makes sure it was clearly disinfected? Let me ask you this...is the DOJ/FBI/CIA and all those other liberal controlled agencies that are functioning against the will of voters/rule of law/Constitution also a closed door secret society that should be allowed to continue and be protected or should it be brought out into the light and let all of society see it for what it truly is? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So, any thread that mentions members in secure forums is forbidden? What if those threads are negative in nature towards those members mentioned? And like all things American, once found out why not expose it to the light and makes sure it was clearly disinfected? Let me ask you this...is the DOJ/FBI/CIA and all those other liberal controlled agencies that are functioning against the will of voters/rule of law/Constitution also a closed door secret society that should be allowed to continue and be protected or should it be brought out into the light and let all of society see it for what it truly is? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was there any proof that any of that happened? Banned or A rocked? I must have missed that post from Signal. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:01:19 AM EDT
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This is about to blow up again amirite?
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:04:55 AM EDT
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Ah that's why a few years back I had a shitload of cop descend on me for my thread where I got harassed by one in lake Forrest..
Interesting, I must have been on the list even though I don't hate cops. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:05:47 AM EDT
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I think it was a mistake to start forums for guys in particular lines of work. It segregates and splits the membership instead of forcing everyone to get along.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:06:20 AM EDT
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Just a simple question. Let me set up a poll. (Found the button.  ) |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:07:23 AM EDT
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This is about to blow up again amirite? https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT9DPJVjlYHwWsZRxm/giphy.gif 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:08:11 AM EDT
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I think it was a mistake to start forums for guys in particular lines of work. It segregates and splits the membership instead of forcing everyone to get along. ETA: I know you know. Posting for the benefit of newer members who may be reading. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:08:14 AM EDT
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Ah that's why a few years back I had a shitload of cop descend on me for my thread where I got harassed by one in lake Forrest.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:08:18 AM EDT
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As I posted in the other thread..... "I have been here for over 15 years. In all that time, some folks gripped about GD Moderation. I have never been a Moderator in GD. But I have not seen any deterioration of the quality of the moderation in GD. I have seen some mistakes, but they are rare and if serious, Staff will correct them. And I have not seen ANY changes from the sale to Brownell's, or use of a new site hosting. Not a single thing. Some of you guys are just getting upset for nothing. This is still the best firearms related site on the net." |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:10:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are either willfully ignorant to the current situation or are flat out lying. You should seriously reconsider your poor choices today. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:11:48 AM EDT
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So every cop in the cop forum is an active duty cop? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Technically he wasn't a cop anymore at that point, he had posted in GD that he got fired. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/AR15.com-Secure-Officer's-Forum |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:13:59 AM EDT
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Ah that's why a few years back I had a shitload of cop descend on me for my thread where I got harassed by one in lake Forrest.. Interesting, I must have been on the list even though I don't hate cops. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:17:26 AM EDT
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You can have access if you're retired but not if you were fired or resigned. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/AR15.com-Secure-Officer's-Forum 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:20:35 AM EDT
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I think it was a mistake to start forums for guys in particular lines of work. It segregates and splits the membership instead of forcing everyone to get along. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:21:59 AM EDT
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Just wait until we make the Masonic forum secret.
All you metric system using punks are going on our list. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:22:28 AM EDT
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Skater scum. I still have tha hoodie
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:23:25 AM EDT
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I remember that. "You were a grown man wearing skateboarding attire, you were just ASKING for negative police attention!" |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:25:43 AM EDT
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I think it was a mistake to start forums for guys in particular lines of work. It segregates and splits the membership instead of forcing everyone to get along. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:27:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont think suggesting people here contact their politicians and point them to posts made on here by LEOs really was a good idea coming from a representative of the website. YMMV. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:27:29 AM EDT
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I think the only cop that didn't pile on me was VooDoo3dfx, he actually gave me some advice Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I remember that. "You were a grown man wearing skateboarding attire, you were just ASKING for negative police attention!" Having talked to him outside of Arf, guy's exceptionally calm and put together, very rational person |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:27:37 AM EDT
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I think the only cop that didn't pile on me was VooDoo3dfx, he actually gave me some advice
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:27:41 AM EDT
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Criticism of individual officers is often construed as cop hate around here. In many cases, purposely conflated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that is "cop hate" in a cops mind? Does every cop on this forum feel that is "cop hate"? Legit Criticism of LE is something I encourage. Same as criticism of the Military, Dog Catchers, Mayoral Offices, and any other form of Government. I had no problem ripping apart the City of Miami Beach PD when they violated State Statutes and detained lawful gun owners exercising their rights. I posted numerous threads about it, the issue of LE culture in FL, etc.... But the thing with the Ft Worth thread that I noticed is this. 1. The Cop Bashers drown out any meaningful discussion of the investigation. We have LE members that honestly are looking at it as an investigation. They agree it is fucked up, but they're trying to go over law, policy, and how it all applies to the investigation. 2. A few TBL guys also drown out any meaningful criticism of LE in that thread. Basically, the mirror opposite of the Cop Bashers. I've personally stayed out of that thread as a member because adding my opinion is like farting in a manure factory. The smell doesn't change and nothing of value was added anyways since it is full of shit already. Another issue is that folks with differing opinions really are being labeled as trolls when they're not. Plus the migration of some 4Chan style posting is also causing problems with the Edge Lords trying to one up each other. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:29:42 AM EDT
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I don't disagree. All I was saying is if that was a serious suggestion and not the sarcasm as I took it to be, I don't agree with the tactic. There is plenty of room on this site to respectfully disagree. I have been hooting and hollering in defense of krpind all over this site. Until more evidence is shown, I think he was treated unfairly, while the TROLL who will not be named by me, appears to have just walked away. No edits to his trolls or anything, apparently. Keep whining and calling me names in every thread you enter. It reminds me of a scorned 13 year old girl and I love that I reside in your head rent free. Grown men should be able to debate an issue....immature little girls call people names when their argument is ineffective. |
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