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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:08:53 PM EDT
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I've been reading up on them and their history. Their track record is pretty damn impressive to say the very least. I'm currently reading a book on the Raid at Entebbe |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:10:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trained with, bUt never worked with. What would you like to know from a very limited exposure. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:10:54 PM EDT
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Pics of IDF hotties? Fuck any other potential question |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:12:23 PM EDT
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Israelis trained us how to use MAPATS,if that counts.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:13:12 PM EDT
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My eldest son attended the Israeli Counter-Terrorist School,, at Mitkan Adam, when he was in the USMC. He visits this forum often, and has some great pics.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:13:38 PM EDT
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My dad was with them in 1948.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:13:43 PM EDT
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At one time I was going to join due to proven Jewish lineage. But no way I was doing Hebrew.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:14:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:15:03 PM EDT
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I have done some K9 training with the IDF. Interesting group. They can party.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:15:38 PM EDT
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I see them at Red Flag, casual conversations mostly. Guys are easy to bs with, females are easy to look at.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:16:13 PM EDT
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IDF's are much smaller. I mostly like to work on MDF's, mostly.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:16:30 PM EDT
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@BrandonP |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:17:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:25:54 PM EDT
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IDF girls are hot. That's all I've got
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:28:37 PM EDT
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If you are talking about the war fighting ability, the IDF is a solid meh....
They are closed to a citizen militia than a western military. They had been fighting mostly inbreed goat-puckers and being so small of a place, no logistic to speak of. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:29:31 PM EDT
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My dad was with them in 1948. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:32:21 PM EDT
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Sold some tech to them. They pay well.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:36:51 PM EDT
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When it means that your entire nation and it's population will likely die if you lose, it is a great motivator to win.
For those so inclined, please pray for peace in Israel. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:38:47 PM EDT
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I have worked with two guys that served in the IDF. They were both Americans.
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:41:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is a great movie The Last King of Scotland  The Last King of Scotland | #TBT Trailer | 20th Century FOX |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:48:07 PM EDT
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I took care of an IDF commando who was injured while training US Army soldiers. He fell on the from a rope ?fast rope? and broke a bunch of bones. Helicopter was involved, but I’m not savvy on terms. The men/his commandos protecting him had UZIs under the suit coats in the hospital. I never felt safer in an inner city hospital. Dudes who can shoot appropriately armed. Seems normal to me, but some of the doctors & RNs were nervous about them....”what if they decide to start shooting?”
Our Jewish senior trauma surgeon said to be more worried about the psychos who might bomb a hospital to kill a hero, not the men protecting him. The commando was apparently quite famous in Israel & was involved in Entebbe. He was a nice, regular guy. I wish I remembered his name. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:48:25 PM EDT
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IDF's are much smaller. I mostly like to work on MDF's, mostly. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 10:49:07 PM EDT
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Something to look at while we wait for something interesting
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Posted: 11/26/2019 11:15:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2019 11:32:23 PM EDT
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There is a member @BrandonP on here who served in the IDF.
This thread contains discussions from him about his experience along with KISS Israeli rifles and IDF girls. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 11:39:37 PM EDT
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I've been reading up on them and their history. Their track record is pretty damn impressive to say the very least. I'm currently reading a book on the Raid at Entebbe What are you trying to ask? Couple observations: The line unit guys I dealt with were typically "meh". Not great, not bad, lot of difference from one to another in terms of competency and quality. Sayeret Matkal and Yamas guys were great across the board, but really frustrating for some of my colleagues due to a lack of understanding as to why they would do some of the things they would. Outside of Israel I have worked with both Shabak and Mossad a few times. Shabakniks are generally very competent, though I disagree with their methods in some instances- and I wasn't always sure when they were trying to fuck with me and when they just genuinely weren't sure what was going on. Mossad guys were...really difficult to get anything done with. They insisted on doing things their way, constantly, and so did we. But neither of us were in our own country, so we didn't really have the ability to just put our foot down. Also pretty sure they were convinced I'm actually Russian, and only possibly Jewish, so that also didn't help.
Oh, and all of their special guys were in far better shape than I'd expect of many folks in the US military outside of SOCOM or SOC units. |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 11:44:50 PM EDT
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I got that one!
Duh... meant to quote the IDF vs MDF post |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 11:50:18 PM EDT
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Off topic a little. The Israelis did a raid on his airport This is a great movie The Last King of Scotland  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_W7PC6NnN4Quote HistoryQuoted:
Off topic a little. The Israelis did a raid on his airport This is a great movie The Last King of Scotland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_W7PC6NnN4 |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 11:50:56 PM EDT
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I have worked with them operationally both inside and outside the military. What are you trying to ask? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been reading up on them and their history. Their track record is pretty damn impressive to say the very least. I'm currently reading a book on the Raid at Entebbe What are you trying to ask? |
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Posted: 11/26/2019 11:54:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do they rate and why have they had the success they've had Just a little more though; They are really good at SOF stuff, but overall, honestly, they are a pretty JV team. Think of it this way: The US military is an NFL team. The IDF is a pretty good NCAA team. They have a few players that could be NFL, but by and large aren't going to make it into football after college. Thing is, all their enemies for the most part might as well be recreational club teams. So IDF spanks the shit out of them and looks good doing it. Easy enough? |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 12:02:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just updated my first response with some thoughts. Just a little more though; They are really good at SOF stuff, but overall, honestly, they are a pretty JV team. Think of it this way: The US military is an NFL team. The IDF is a pretty good NCAA team. They have a few players that could be NFL, but by and large aren't going to make it into football after college. Thing is, all their enemies for the most part might as well be recreational club teams. So IDF spanks the shit out of them and looks good doing it. Easy enough? |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 12:09:01 AM EDT
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When I was in the Danish Army, I visited a friend of mine in Israel, who was in the IDF. Myself and a Swedish buddy (who was in the Swedish Army at the time) were allowed to basically just wander onto an army base, and we met up with my friend, and spent the day there. Myself and my Swedish buddy were completely and utterly shocked at the complete lack of order and discipline. Now, if these soldiers had been hard core SOF or something, maybe - but these were conscripts. Some of the stories our Israeli friend told us about training were mind-boggling. The lack of attention to detail, safety and basic military discipline seemed - quite honestly - inconsistent with a modern military.
It was very eye-opening, and it really emphasized just how shitty their Arab opponents have been. 
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Posted: 11/27/2019 12:09:55 AM EDT
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Is this because they don't travel around the world and are more of a defense force for their small territory? |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 12:18:33 AM EDT
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I met one that was working security detail at a hockey game during the '88 Olympics.
She was nothing less than fascinating and tried very hard to explain the Israeli position in the ME, talked quite a lot about Munich. I could tell she was quite hardened and squared away. Just something about her said "Don't fuck with me". Stood up at the railing with her for an entire period overlooking the arena. She answered all my questions as best as she could and was happy to chat. That game gave me new found respect for Israel. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 6:07:00 AM EDT
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This thread delivers
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Posted: 11/27/2019 6:48:03 AM EDT
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I’m “friends” with a former IDF IAF helicopter pilot, now with the airlines.
Extremely anal rententive, risk averse pilot. HUGE anti-gun Leftist. Hates Conservative America yet lives a very comfortable life in this country. Not a huge defender of Israel. There’s a word for that type of person... I do what I can to avoid him. I’m sure he’s an anomaly among the IDF types. TC |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 6:52:42 AM EDT
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I've hosted them at Bragg. The rule is never leave them in an office by themselves. More than once the Israelis have been caught going through desks and file cabinets. I will say that their version of CQB is different than our version.
Pro tip: Much like the Egyptian 777 you don't want to be rescued by Israeli Yamam. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:06:46 AM EDT
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If you are talking about the war fighting ability, the IDF is a solid meh.... They are closed to a citizen militia than a western military. They had been fighting mostly inbreed goat-puckers and being so small of a place, no logistic to speak of. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:14:51 AM EDT
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Very cool, any stories Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My dad was with them in 1948. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:20:09 AM EDT
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They have a track record of 70 years being undefeated |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:32:08 AM EDT
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They have a track record of 70 years being undefeated |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:38:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the people who fought in the 50s and 60s had a far different mentality than the soft conscripts of today. I think Israel isn't that tough anymore.. but like others have said their opponents are a bunch of inbred retards who probably get confused which end of the rocket the rocket comes out of. As I mentioned 2006 was an eye opener for Israel. Are there still goat herder engagements? Yes, occasionally but the the real threat is Iran's presence in the region, Lebanon and Syria, both in terms of IRGC QF as well as surrogates (LH). Iran is a serous threat. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:42:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Israel is up against Iran through their surrogates, Lebanese Hezbollah. As I mentioned 2006 was an eye opener for Israel. Are there still goat herder engagements? Yes, occasionally but the the real threat is Iran's presence in the region, Lebanon and Syria, both in terms of IRGC QF as well as surrogates (LH). Iran is a serous threat. Do you think there's any Iranians actually fighting with them directly giving them actual aid beyond just equipment? I look at some of the pics of their hotties in uniform and don't really see any of them holding off the Hezbollah horde. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think Iran's proxy puppet gets much formal training? Or just basic small arms small squad stuff at best? Do you think there's any Iranians actually fighting with them directly giving them actual aid beyond just equipment? I look at some of the pics of their hotties in uniform and don't really see any of them holding off the Hezbollah horde. Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think Iran's proxy puppet gets much formal training? Or just basic small arms small squad stuff at best? Do you think there's any Iranians actually fighting with them directly giving them actual aid beyond just equipment? I look at some of the pics of their hotties in uniform and don't really see any of them holding off the Hezbollah horde. Following that incursion the Israelis had a massive come to Jesus, re-evaluating their tactics, conscript training and a host of other things. Some open source data... Ground war
An Israeli soldier tosses a grenade into a Hezbollah bunker IDF Caterpillar D9N armored bulldozers destroy a Hezbollah bunker. War map, "Hezbollah Defensive System in Southern Lebanon", 2006 Hezbollah engaged in guerrilla warfare with IDF ground forces, fighting from well-fortified positions, often in urban areas, and attacking with small, well-armed units. Hezbollah fighters were highly trained, and were equipped with flak jackets, night-vision goggles, communications equipment, and sometimes with Israeli uniforms and equipment. An Israeli soldier who participated in the war said that Hezbollah fighters were "nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians. They are trained and highly qualified. All of us were kind of surprised."[150] During engagements with the IDF, Hezbollah concentrated on inflicting losses on the IDF, believing an unwillingness to absorb steady losses to be Israel's strategic weakness.[151] Hezbollah countered IDF armor through the use of sophisticated Iranian-made anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs). According to Merkava tank program administration, 52 Merkava main battle tanks were damaged (45 of them by different kinds of ATGM), missiles penetrated 22 tanks, but only 5 tanks were destroyed, one of them by an improvised explosive device (IED). The Merkava tanks that were penetrated were predominantly Mark II and Mark III models, but five Mark IVs were also penetrated. All but two of these tanks were rebuilt and returned to service.[122] The IDF declared itself satisfied with the Merkava Mark IV's performance during the war. Hezbollah caused additional casualties using ATGMs to collapse buildings onto Israeli troops sheltering inside.[122] As a result, IDF units did not linger in any one area for an extended period of time.[150] Hezbollah fighters often used tunnels to emerge quickly, fire an anti-tank missile, and then disappear again.[150] On 19 July a force from the Maglan special forces unit seized a fortified Hezbollah dugout adjacent to the Shaked post; two IDF soldiers and five Hezbollah operatives were killed in the battle.[152] |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:52:10 AM EDT
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I have worked with two guys that served in the IDF. They were both Americans. In order for him to d that they wanted him to give up his US citizenship. It was a 'hard no' from him so they switched him to their medical corps. He's now an anesthesiologist running his own group here in the states, pulling down HUGE $ per year
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:53:23 AM EDT
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The Israelis have three things going for them...
Western tactics Backs against the wall Western tech When you combine these three things, they are a major force in the middle east. I also know a few of their special forces guys and they are indeed bad ass with a shoot first, ask questions later attitude. My family (girls) that are in the army are just doing their time to get out. They will not be career militarily. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 7:56:21 AM EDT
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IDF's are much smaller. I mostly like to work on MDF's, mostly. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 8:14:28 AM EDT
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The Israelis have three things going for them... Western tactics Backs against the wall Western tech When you combine these three things, they are a major force in the middle east. I also know a few of their special forces guys and they are indeed bad ass with a shoot first, ask questions later attitude. My family (girls) that are in the army are just doing their time to get out. They will not be career militarily. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 8:20:34 AM EDT
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Those hot girls you see and adore are a big part of the Israeli Army problems. A lot of these girls become instructors - shooting instructors, tank instructors, all kinds of instructors. But what are their qualifications? Are they life-long hardened experienced soldiers? No, they are girls just out of high school who completed a quick course on how to be an instructor. They are passing their lack of knowledge to the combat troops that will actually need the skills in the field. It is a bad system. Then the soldiers reach their unit, they have to learn from more experienced folks how to actually do things. Many never do learn. Israel would be much better off having a solid NCO corps who can pass real-world knowledge to the conscripts.
Lack of discipline, use of private cell phones on duty, parents who interfere in military affairs - all of that contributes to reducing IDF's fighting capability. That being said, Israeli reservists who have many years of deployments and drills under their belts are a very formidable fighting force. They might not have the latest issued equipment, they look like a ragtag bunch when mobilized, but they are experienced and motivated. They are the backbone of Israeli military. |
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Posted: 11/27/2019 8:36:53 AM EDT
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I suppose that depends on what you mean by undefeated. They got their shit pushed in by LH during the 2006 (?) Lebanon incursion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have a track record of 70 years being undefeated |
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