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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:04:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "On here". I've seen people treat vendors here as if they were Jim Jones throwing in some Kool-aid with their AR accessory order. Despite outward appearance I'm not attacking the Church or its membership, simply stating what is abundantly obvious. I'm not taking it as an attack. Mike Kennedy and Jenny Wilson are also members of The Church. The Church isn't going to endorse one over the other because of their religion. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:04:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Mittens used his 2002 winter Olympics success and his religion to dupe Utahans into voting for him under the false pretense that he was a Republican. It only happened once, and Mittens had made his left leaning stance abundantly clear to Utah voters, who voted 58.1% for Trump over Biden's 37.6% in the last election. Meanwhile we are finally getting Constitutional Carry and hopefully a preemption law refusing to enforce federal gun laws that aren't in line with state gun laws which has already passed the House. Romney is not in line with our values and he doesn't represent the majority of us. He is NOT Utah and shouldn't be used as an indicator of what Utah believes.  So begs the question will he be re-elected come next time? If yes then Utah is Romney. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:04:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just saying that either my stake is locked out and they don't share that info with us, or you're incorrect. Having been the subject of an ongoing influence operation, coercion and general pressure from family members that continue to participate in the Church in an effort to steer me away from Trump, I'll just say that I suspect your experience does not comport with that of others, in much the same way that mine does not. I am 115% certain that those same family members were and continue to be all in for Willard due entirely to his religious orientation. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:06:20 PM EDT
[#4]
utAh iZ NOt roMneY...
Also Utah; 2018 Primary:  2018 General: 
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:06:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having been the subject of an ongoing influence operation, coercion and general pressure from family members that continue to participate in the Church in an effort to steer me away from Trump, I'll just say that I suspect your experience does not comport with that of others, in much the same way that mine does not. I am 115% certain that those same family members were and continue to be all in for Willard due entirely to his religious orientation. Not to shift topics, but are you saying that your Church family members are anti-Trump? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:06:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's certainly not biblical in any possible way. You can look all this stuff up. They look ridiculous, which of course invites ridicule. But there's more to it. Catholics are ridiculed all the time for having ashes on Ash Wednesday, Jews for any number of things. The underwear is reported to have magical powers to protect the wearer from harm. This, coupled with the fact that it's indeed underwear, in addition to how it looks is what makes it hands down the easiest religious ridicule target to hit of them all. Garments dont have magical powers nor is it doctrine that they have magical powers regardless of what the relief society wants to teach. And I wish mens garments were as compatible with clothes as women's are. As it is they are physically the same as wearing boxers and an undershirt. Big whoop. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not buying the "we got duped" line. His record as governor of Massachusetts was not exactly stellar. His record with the 2002 Olympics is stellar, and his endorsement from Trump was stellar. So here we are now. But you got Harry Reid, so... |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not taking it as an attack. Mike Kennedy and Jenny Wilson are also members of The Church. The Church isn't going to endorse one over the other because of their religion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "On here". I've seen people treat vendors here as if they were Jim Jones throwing in some Kool-aid with their AR accessory order. Despite outward appearance I'm not attacking the Church or its membership, simply stating what is abundantly obvious. I'm not taking it as an attack. Mike Kennedy and Jenny Wilson are also members of The Church. The Church isn't going to endorse one over the other because of their religion. LOL, of course not. They will however shun any candidate who is not a member of the Church, and insomuch as the Church is the driving political force in the State, the Church is by proxy choosing their political representation. Let's pretend Willard is a Baptist, would he be elected or not? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to shift topics, but are you saying that your Church family members are anti-Trump? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Having been the subject of an ongoing influence operation, coercion and general pressure from family members that continue to participate in the Church in an effort to steer me away from Trump, I'll just say that I suspect your experience does not comport with that of others, in much the same way that mine does not. I am 115% certain that those same family members were and continue to be all in for Willard due entirely to his religious orientation. Not to shift topics, but are you saying that your Church family members are anti-Trump? Many of them yes. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: utAh iZ NOt roMneY... Also Utah; 2018 Primary: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/B3A937DA-8AA0-4337-9FB2-5343C6CA46F7-1839535.jpg 2018 General: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/8290C071-DE02-46B3-95A8-B3339496C9EC-1839539.jpg And? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:14:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, of course not. They will however shun any candidate who is not a member of the Church, and insomuch as the Church is the driving political force in the State, the Church is by proxy choosing their political representation. Let's pretend Willard is a Baptist, would he be elected or not? Get a Baptist to successfully run the 2002 Olympics, be a former state Governor, and get Trumps endorsement and we will see. Why didn't The Church want Jenny Wilson or Mike Kennedy? Especially Jenny Wilson who is a Democrat. Instead of fuckstick mittens who is a closet democrat. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:15:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: utAh iZ NOt roMneY... Also Utah; 2018 Primary: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/B3A937DA-8AA0-4337-9FB2-5343C6CA46F7-1839535.jpg 2018 General: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/8290C071-DE02-46B3-95A8-B3339496C9EC-1839539.jpg And? That despite all the games youre playing, Romney won both in a landslide. Clearly Utah’s values line up with his. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:15:58 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to shift topics, but are you saying that your Church family members are anti-Trump? My church going family doesn't like Trump either. That's not surprising. They aren't fond of his serial adultery. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:16:31 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That despite all the games youre playing, Romney won both in a landslide. Clearly Utah’s values line up with his. What was the platform of Wilson and Kennedy? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:20:34 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: utAh iZ NOt roMneY... Also Utah; 2018 Primary: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/B3A937DA-8AA0-4337-9FB2-5343C6CA46F7-1839535.jpg 2018 General: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/8290C071-DE02-46B3-95A8-B3339496C9EC-1839539.jpg /thread Seriously. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a Baptist to successfully run the 2002 Olympics, be a former state Governor, and get Trumps endorsement and we will see. Why didn't The Church want Jenny Wilson or Mike Kennedy? Especially Jenny Wilson who is a Democrat. Instead of fuckstick mittens who is a closet democrat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL, of course not. They will however shun any candidate who is not a member of the Church, and insomuch as the Church is the driving political force in the State, the Church is by proxy choosing their political representation. Let's pretend Willard is a Baptist, would he be elected or not? Get a Baptist to successfully run the 2002 Olympics, be a former state Governor, and get Trumps endorsement and we will see. Why didn't The Church want Jenny Wilson or Mike Kennedy? Especially Jenny Wilson who is a Democrat. Instead of fuckstick mittens who is a closet democrat. I already answered that. He is/was perceived as best for their business. You guys keep trotting out "muh Olympics" as if the entirety of all other events is entirely eclipsed by that one single action. BUT then you dodge the question which doesn't surprise me. If Willard was a Baptist would he have been elected? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:28:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't exactly do that by myself, can I? Couldn't do it with ALL the UT guys on the forum. When has it even been done last in ANY state? That kinda contradicts the premise of the original post, doesn't it? If this is true "He is NOT Utah and shouldn't be used as an indicator of what Utah believes" then the above doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What was the platform of Wilson and Kennedy? Kennedy's gun stance is light years better than Romneys. Guess that's not important in Utah. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:39:15 PM EDT
[#19]
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:40:23 PM EDT
[#20]
Yes, but will Utah elect anyone who is NOT a LDS?
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:45:37 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Many of them yes. Interesting. My ward is mostly pro-Trump. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:48:45 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just as San Francisco and Los Angeles are not California, but haters gonna hate. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:52:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Figures this would just turn into yet another Mormon-bashing thread.
Seriously, who gives a fuck about another man's underwear preferences?  Anyway, fuck Mittens. Like many have said, we'll know the truth when Romney comes up for reelection. Hope he votes for gun control when all that comes down and seals his political fate here.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 3:54:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. My ward is mostly pro-Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Many of them yes. Interesting. My ward is mostly pro-Trump. How would you know that if those conversations you maintain do not occur, did not occur? Seriously, it's not difficult to drive sentiment or apply influence to drive political decisions, and in a community that shows a great deal of respect for their religious leaders the outcome is entirely predictable. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:01:59 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How would you know that if those conversations you maintain do not occur, did not occur? Seriously, it's not difficult to drive sentiment or apply influence to drive political decisions, and in a community that shows a great deal of respect for their religious leaders the outcome is entirely predictable. Because I'm perfectly capable of looking at people's lawn signs and seeing their social media posts. Q didn't tell me. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:10:12 PM EDT
[#26]
Put it another way...
Why did Romney come to Utah to run for the Senate? I don't think he was a resident prior to the run. He may of had property, but I don't think he lived here year round. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:12:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif Is Gov Northam Virginia? Does he speak for all the people who were at that big 2A rally? Is VA expanding on gun rights and pushing against fed domination? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:15:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put it another way... Why did Romney come to Utah to run for the Senate? [denzel]BOOM[/denzel] |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:15:27 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: Mittens used his 2002 winter Olympics success and his religion to dupe Utahans into voting for him under the false pretense that he was a Republican. It only happened once, and Mittens had made his left leaning stance abundantly clear to Utah voters, who voted 58.1% for Trump over Biden's 37.6% in the last election. Meanwhile we are finally getting Constitutional Carry and hopefully a preemption law refusing to enforce federal gun laws that aren't in line with state gun laws which has already passed the House. Romney is not in line with our values and he doesn't represent the majority of us. He is NOT Utah and shouldn't be used as an indicator of what Utah believes.  |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:18:09 PM EDT
[#30]
Yes it is, unless you convince the church to dump him, he will be your senator.
Mormons will follow whatever the church tells them. I lived in UT for 4 years as a non Mormon. This is a true fact for UT |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:23:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because I'm perfectly capable of looking at people's lawn signs and seeing their social media posts. Q didn't tell me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How would you know that if those conversations you maintain do not occur, did not occur? Seriously, it's not difficult to drive sentiment or apply influence to drive political decisions, and in a community that shows a great deal of respect for their religious leaders the outcome is entirely predictable. Because I'm perfectly capable of looking at people's lawn signs and seeing their social media posts. Q didn't tell me. So the apolitical local church members who do not endorse any particular candidate, nor do they discuss it within the Ward or Stake put up signs in their yards to serve what purpose? Could a Stake President or Priest or Bishop putting a political candidates sign in their yard be considered by anyone a reflection of the Church or an endorsement by the Church? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:27:16 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the apolitical local church members who do not endorse any particular candidate, nor do they discuss it within the Ward or Stake put up signs in their yards to serve what purpose? Quote HistoryQuoted: So the apolitical local church members who do not endorse any particular candidate, nor do they discuss it within the Ward or Stake put up signs in their yards to serve what purpose? I never said local church members don't discuss political candidates. Church members aren't apolitical. The Church is apolitical. There is a difference. I said if Church leaders privately directed endorsement of candidates, as was claimed, they forget to tell my stake. I think it's a bogus claim. Could a Stake President or Priest or Bishop putting a political candidates sign in their yard be considered by anyone a reflection of the Church or an endorsement by the Church? This is one of the silliest things I've seen in quite some time. That said, I don't recall ever seeing my Bishop or Stake President with a political sign in their yard. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:27:30 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Could a Stake President or Priest or Bishop putting a political candidates sign in their yard be considered by anyone a reflection of the Church or an endorsement by the Church? LOL, whatever your family circumstances may be, you are so woefully uninformed about the church that you should just stop posting about it. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:35:40 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: utAh iZ NOt roMneY... Also Utah; 2018 Primary: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/B3A937DA-8AA0-4337-9FB2-5343C6CA46F7-1839535.jpg 2018 General: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/8290C071-DE02-46B3-95A8-B3339496C9EC-1839539.jpg Yep, but the UT Romney deniers don't want to see that shit because they were the problem unless they sat out the primary for some reason. Maybe they were tired.  How the blue fuck they could choose Carpetbagger Reek over staunch 2A supporter and physician Mike Kennedy defies logic.  From what little I looked into it Kennedy was a far and away better choice than Reek....They must have a very low bar for what passes for "rock star" in UT. 
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:39:37 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is, unless you convince the church to dump him, he will be your senator. Mormons will follow whatever the church tells them. I lived in UT for 4 years as a non Mormon. This is a true fact for UT Whatever you say bud. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:41:50 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So begs the question will he be re-elected come next time? If yes then Utah is Romney. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:56:02 PM EDT
[#37]
GD's Romney Derangement Syndrome never ceases to amaze me.
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:57:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD's Romney Derangement Syndrome never ceases to amaze me. I wonder why he gets more attention than Susan Collins et al? |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 4:58:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, whatever your family circumstances may be, you are so woefully uninformed about the church that you should just stop posting about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Could a Stake President or Priest or Bishop putting a political candidates sign in their yard be considered by anyone a reflection of the Church or an endorsement by the Church? LOL, whatever your family circumstances may be, you are so woefully uninformed about the church that you should just stop posting about it. You're right, local church leaders don't have any influence at all over the membership, and Willard would have been elected because of the Olympics, and it is just purely coincidental that all candidates are LDS. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:00:13 PM EDT
[#40]
bet he gets reelected
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:02:16 PM EDT
[#41]
Yet the voters of Utah put him in office and they'll do it again.
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:02:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever you say bud. They didn't vote for Romney because he is a cocksucking RINO. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:03:31 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right, local church leaders don't have any influence at all over the membership, and Willard would have been elected because of the Olympics, and it is just purely coincidental that all candidates are LDS. First, it's not unusual that candidates in a state with an overwhelming density of any segment would be from that segment. Second, not all the candidates were practicing Latter-day Saints. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:04:20 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder why he gets more attention than Susan Collins et al? A few of us dared to question Cruz's political acumen in the matter of Cancun. We were called Democrats and trolls. Just for the record. [Re: Collins. At least she has an excuse. Her state gets more Democrat every year. She only clings to the seat by a slim margin, mostly contingent on her not offering too big a target to the leftists who never stop trying to pick her off.] |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:04:51 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder why he gets more attention than Susan Collins et al? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD's Romney Derangement Syndrome never ceases to amaze me. I wonder why he gets more attention than Susan Collins et al? he's the only GOP senator to vote to impeach/remove last year, plus we're all still mad at him for letting obama getting re-elected in 2012 |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:05:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, but the UT Romney deniers don't want to see that shit because they were the problem unless they sat out the primary for some reason. Maybe they were tired. How the blue fuck they could choose Carpetbagger Reek over staunch 2A supporter and physician Mike Kennedy defies logic. From what little I looked into it Kennedy was a far and away better choice than Reek....They must have a very low bar for what passes for "rock star" in UT. I can understand why they would want to disassociate themselves from him. But anyone who thinks that Romney is somehow an outlier from Utah in general has divorced themselves from reality. He won his Utah elections in a landslide, and will continue to do so until he retires. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:26:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD's Romney Derangement Syndrome never ceases to amaze me. Romney IS deranged and deserves every heckle and nasty comment made about him. I'm just trying to say it doesn't mean everyone with a Utah address (or even the majority) deserve it too. Utah's government is moving in a generally positive direction while Mittens wanders way out in left field and occasionally runs over, takes a shit infront of the pack, giggles and trots back to his far left position. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:36:52 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How would you know that if those conversations you maintain do not occur, did not occur? Seriously, it's not difficult to drive sentiment or apply influence to drive political decisions, and in a community that shows a great deal of respect for their religious leaders the outcome is entirely predictable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many of them yes. Interesting. My ward is mostly pro-Trump. How would you know that if those conversations you maintain do not occur, did not occur? Seriously, it's not difficult to drive sentiment or apply influence to drive political decisions, and in a community that shows a great deal of respect for their religious leaders the outcome is entirely predictable. Because he knows with perfect certainty YOUR motivations... He knows YOUR life experiences... He knows MY motivations and life experiences too. And if they don't comport with HIS motivations and life experiences or his preconceived ideas about you... YOU are the liar. Don't you dare claim otherwise. :) |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:37:16 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cuomo is not New York. But y'all still hate us regardless I like yous guys that stay up there. The ones that move down here, not so much. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 5:41:08 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because he knows with perfect certainty YOUR motivations... He knows YOUR life experiences... He knows MY motivations and life experiences too. And if they don't comport with HIS motivations and life experiences or his preconceived ideas about you... YOU are the liar. Don't you dare claim otherwise. :) OR I'm perfectly capable of reading and talking to my friends. |
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