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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:14:44 PM EDT
Amazing how the USAF is doing what the Army won't.
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/4771656/2018-air-force-defender-challenge 
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:17:26 PM EDT
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails?
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:17:45 PM EDT
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're mimicing SOCOM and going URGI. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:19:20 PM EDT
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:21:57 PM EDT
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Not an upgrade, they went shopping at Cabela's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They're mimicing SOCOM and going URGI. 
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:21:58 PM EDT
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Here is one of the pics from the link
I like the upgrades myself.  
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:23:04 PM EDT
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails? A decent upgrade and is more or less what SOCOM is upgrading their M4s to. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:23:05 PM EDT
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:23:43 PM EDT
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I see a mawl and leup mk6 on an urgi? Maybe a reapir in there too?
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:24:35 PM EDT
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My understanding. Better barrel profile, gas system, free floating barrel, possibly lighter weight due to the rail and barrel profile. A decent upgrade and is more or less what SOCOM is upgrading their M4s to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails? A decent upgrade and is more or less what SOCOM is upgrading their M4s to. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:27:13 PM EDT
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:30:52 PM EDT
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Here is one of the pics from the link I like the upgrades myself. https://i.imgur.com/MQ0go85.jpg |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:32:13 PM EDT
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They're also wanting to upgrade (and it appears they're now testing) a bunch of new accessories as well. LPVO, updated WMLs, BE Meyers MAWL, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails? A decent upgrade and is more or less what SOCOM is upgrading their M4s to. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read something about a new coating for BCGs for SOCOM as well. Seems like the USAF is going in the right direction. Army should follow whatever SOCOM does. USMC should as well. M27 seems to function just fine but is an awkward jack of all trades gun. Heavy for a carbine, accurate but not that accurate for the weight, and not all that special for volume of fire. Oh well, maybe the Army will still go this route. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:38:02 PM EDT
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Lol there’s like 87 dudes in the airforce the carry rifles anyway.
In reality all these slick upgrades and replacements don’t mean shit until the army unfucks it’s rifle qual and complete and utter lack of marksmanship training. The overwhelmingly large majority of the army only shoots 60 rounds a year if they even qual once a year. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:42:27 PM EDT
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Amazing how the USAF is doing what the Army won't. https://www.dvidshub.net/image/4771656/2018-air-force-defender-challenge https://cdn.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/photos/1809/4771656/1000w_q95.jpg USAF has always been all about try to have the latest and greatest tech - always upgrade and look forward. Didn't the USAF initially buy the M16 before the Army? I guess the Army is still comfortable following their lead. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:47:47 PM EDT
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Here is one of the pics from the link I like the upgrades myself. https://i.imgur.com/MQ0go85.jpg |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:47:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding. Better barrel profile, gas system, free floating barrel, possibly lighter weight due to the rail and barrel profile. A decent upgrade and is more or less what SOCOM is upgrading their M4s to. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not an upgrade, they went shopping at Cabela's.
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:26:32 PM EDT
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Some pictures from the July 2018 USAF Security Forces Worldwide Symposium where weapons upgrades/improvements and timelines were discussed.
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:33:27 PM EDT
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How many infantryman does the AF have vs the Army.
It's not really a question. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:38:25 PM EDT
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I see colored Magpul shit, what are the upgrades? the rails?
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:38:37 PM EDT
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Here is one of the pics from the link I like the upgrades myself. https://i.imgur.com/MQ0go85.jpg |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:43:24 PM EDT
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so theyre gertting urgi's?
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:43:57 PM EDT
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So still M4 with a few different rails or free-floated? That M79 is sweet by the way
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:49:18 PM EDT
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Lol there’s like 87 dudes in the airforce the carry rifles anyway. In reality all these slick upgrades and replacements don’t mean shit until the army unfucks it’s rifle qual and complete and utter lack of marksmanship training. The overwhelmingly large majority of the army only shoots 60 rounds a year if they even qual once a year. 
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:57:23 PM EDT
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We just got new M4's.
Sooo.... When I retire in a while (long while) we will have brown shit on them that's not rust. Sweet. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:57:48 PM EDT
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Lol there’s like 87 dudes in the airforce the carry rifles anyway. In reality all these slick upgrades and replacements don’t mean shit until the army unfucks it’s rifle qual and complete and utter lack of marksmanship training. The overwhelmingly large majority of the army only shoots 60 rounds a year if they even qual once a year. Back to your regularly scheduled crayon eating. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:58:55 PM EDT
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This makes me happy.
My fingerprints all over this. Ask me anything S/F |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:58:58 PM EDT
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This is awesome news. I wish big Army could join suit but due to cost (how many rifles would need to be overhauled) combined with a history of bad decision making in this niche sector, I don't see it happening. I hope it does though. While the M4 RAS still works great it is dated, and USASOC testing of the midlength gas system proves its superiority in barrel longevity, as does CHF. Plus Mk16 rail. You can't go wrong there
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:00:22 PM EDT
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The M4 isn’t broken. This is all superfluous.
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:02:06 PM EDT
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This is awesome news. I wish big Army could join suit but due to cost (how many rifles would need to be overhauled) combined with a history of bad decision making in this niche sector, I don't see it happening. I hope it does though. While the M4 RAS still works great it is dated, and USASOC testing of the midlength gas system proves its superiority in barrel longevity, as does CHF. Plus Mk16 rail. You can't go wrong there Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is awesome news. I wish big Army could join suit but due to cost (how many rifles would need to be overhauled) combined with a history of bad decision making in this niche sector, I don't see it happening. I hope it does though. While the M4 RAS still works great it is dated, and USASOC testing of the midlength gas system proves its superiority in barrel longevity, as does CHF. Plus Mk16 rail. You can't go wrong there Quoted:
The M4 isn’t broken. This is all superfluous. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:02:07 PM EDT
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The M4 isn’t broken. This is all superfluous. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:02:43 PM EDT
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Vortex optic?.....interesting
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:03:10 PM EDT
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id love to see the URG-I be widespread issued Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is awesome news. I wish big Army could join suit but due to cost (how many rifles would need to be overhauled) combined with a history of bad decision making in this niche sector, I don't see it happening. I hope it does though. While the M4 RAS still works great it is dated, and USASOC testing of the midlength gas system proves its superiority in barrel longevity, as does CHF. Plus Mk16 rail. You can't go wrong there
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:04:16 PM EDT
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Vortex optic?.....interesting |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:09:16 PM EDT
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This is awesome news. I wish big Army could join suit but due to cost (how many rifles would need to be overhauled) combined with a history of bad decision making in this niche sector, I don't see it happening. I hope it does though. While the M4 RAS still works great it is dated, and USASOC testing of the midlength gas system proves its superiority in barrel longevity, as does CHF. Plus Mk16 rail. You can't go wrong there It's sad, but soldiers in the conventional Army truly do not have any voice, nor do their proponents. S/F |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:10:10 PM EDT
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How many infantryman does the AF have vs the Army. It's not really a question. Looks like the AF will have better rifles because they took action instead of all talk. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:10:33 PM EDT
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id love to see the URG-I be widespread issued |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:10:40 PM EDT
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Vortex optic?.....interesting |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:11:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will never happen. See previous post. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:11:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:12:09 PM EDT
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The Garand isn't broken either. Time goes on advancements are found and should be adopted. This is the right call by the USAF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The M4 isn’t broken. This is all superfluous. In this day and age, a non floated AR is antiquated and to continue using one in many cases is lunacy. S/F |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:12:42 PM EDT
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All the better to guard airplanes with
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:13:05 PM EDT
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I figured they would still have A1s.
When I went to Afghanistan in 2002 the AF personnel had M16A1s. They thought our M4s with M68s and PAQ-4C/PEQ-2As were something they should have and we laughed. What they had looked adequate for what they were doing in my book. Nothing I've seen since has changed my mind. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:13:34 PM EDT
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The graphic implies a M4 has a performance of of 20" @100 meters/109 yards, (Presumably using ball ammo)..? Is this an realistic comparison of performance?
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:13:38 PM EDT
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Vortex optic?.....interesting S/F |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:16:35 PM EDT
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All the better to guard airplanes with How about nuclear weapons? Should we use modern tools to defend those? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:17:09 PM EDT
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This makes me happy. My fingerprints all over this. Ask me anything S/F Also, will their guns use bolts with a new coating, possibly the Picatiny DSL coating? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 8:18:09 PM EDT
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I figured they would still have A1s. When I went to Afghanistan in 2002 the AF personnel had M16A1s. They thought our M4s with M68s and PAQ-4C/PEQ-2As were something they should have and we laughed. What they had looked adequate for what they were doing in my book. Nothing I've seen since has changed my mind. |
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