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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Trump should be hounding Congress to roll back all of Obama's diesel regulations...make diesel cheaper than gas again. That's about the only way they could turn things around. Prices cannot fall with diesel this high. The corn being harvested for all of next year will have the high fuel costs of this year built into the price. This is correct. So many don't understand this |
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Originally Posted By AttachedFile: That would be why I said Massie-tards. Critical thinking isn't your thing. https://i.postimg.cc/qqKxZ6h7/Screenshot-20260912-153256-Chrome.jpg Originally Posted By AttachedFile: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By AttachedFile: the Massie-tards blocked tariffs. Does the House have only a +1 majority and Massie as the sole Republican NO vote able able to kill every bill? That would be why I said Massie-tards. Critical thinking isn't your thing. https://i.postimg.cc/qqKxZ6h7/Screenshot-20260912-153256-Chrome.jpg |
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Originally Posted By Glock031: TDS is getting all hot, wet and worked up in this thread. They better hope things don't go sideways.  Things have already gone sideways because of Trump fluffers One trend I see on X is the most vocal supporters of this nonsense are ultra MAGA women. It has an eerie overlap with Stockholm syndrome. |
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Originally Posted By Glock031: TDS is getting all hot, wet and worked up in this thread. They better hope things don't go sideways. Just wondering why you think people being critical of Trump will cause things to go sides? Do you think Trump is that weak and fragile that he will fail if everyone doesn't white knight for him? |
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Originally Posted By LowEx: I Said it back in 2015/2016, if the Republican party is foolish enough to vote for him in the primaries, then we deserve what we get. The vast majority of this site did exactly that. Everything that followed has been easily predictable - though I'll admit it's probably gone better than I expected. Anyone who couldn't see this coming from Trump back when he started agitating in '08 was a moron. The republican presidential primary is very flawed. An open field then the winner is the one person who is a little more popular than the entire rest of the field. It absolutely should be whittled down to the 2 or 3 most popular candidates against each other, not against 12 other people. Whoever shows up with a few more hard-core supporters, wins. The overall most popular candidate does not win, because the votes are split. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Just wondering why you think people being critical of Trump will cause things to go sides? Do you think Trump is that weak and fragile that he will fail if everyone doesn't white knight for him? Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By Glock031: TDS is getting all hot, wet and worked up in this thread. They better hope things don't go sideways. Just wondering why you think people being critical of Trump will cause things to go sides? Do you think Trump is that weak and fragile that he will fail if everyone doesn't white knight for him? I would say people are criticizing Trump because 1) we think things have already gone a little “sideways” and/or 2) we’re worried things are about to go “sideways” in the midterms. In 2018, I didn’t think the Republicans really did anything to justify the blue wave. The Democrats still don’t have any answers and they don’t deserve to benefit from the GOP’s incompetence, but at least this time around I can understand the unhappiness with the GOP’s job performance. |
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Originally Posted By NN300BLK: I would say people are criticizing Trump because 1) we think things have already gone a little "sideways" and/or 2) we're worried things are about to go "sideways" in the midterms. In 2018, I didn't think the Republicans really did anything to justify the blue wave. The Democrats still don't have any answers and they don't deserve to benefit from the GOP's incompetence, but at least this time around I can understand the unhappiness with the GOP's job performance. Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By Glock031: TDS is getting all hot, wet and worked up in this thread. They better hope things don't go sideways. Just wondering why you think people being critical of Trump will cause things to go sides? Do you think Trump is that weak and fragile that he will fail if everyone doesn't white knight for him? I would say people are criticizing Trump because 1) we think things have already gone a little "sideways" and/or 2) we're worried things are about to go "sideways" in the midterms. In 2018, I didn't think the Republicans really did anything to justify the blue wave. The Democrats still don't have any answers and they don't deserve to benefit from the GOP's incompetence, but at least this time around I can understand the unhappiness with the GOP's job performance. Exactly. In 2018 not much had changed for the better but things didn't get worse. This time, other than the border security, federal gun rights, and the stock market, pretty much everything has gotten worse. My US House race is now tied, it is most likely going to flip D. So damn right I am going to be critical of the events that have led to that being possible. Uncle Trump better get his ass to my district, campaign, and throw $30 million towards my US Reps race to make sure it doesn't flip. I doubt he does any of those and then I get a liberal Dem Rep.  The saying "It is the economy stupid" still applies and the daily economy for the working class sucks! Even if Trump issued $5,000 before the election most people would say their daily life sucks given chuck steak is now $11.00 a pound and gas is over $4.00 a gallon. Here are the issues the Dem candidate for my House district is running on: End the Trade War and Get Costs Down for Kentucky Families Stop Endless Wars in the Middle East Root Out Corruption and Restore Integrity to Government Rebuild the American Dream - People who work full-time should make enough money to feed their families and pay their bills. Strengthen Our Schools and Invest in the Next Generation Commonsense Immigration Reform - ICE is out of control right now; one need look no further than their killings of two Americans Make Healthcare Affordable for Everyone Commonsense Regulation for AI and Data Centers Let women make their own healthcare decisions - abortion What is the Republican candidate running on? The fuck if I know? I didn't even remember his name until I looked it up. He has done a shit job campaigning. The biggest part of his website is "SEND ME MONEY". Then it rambles about healthcare. Take someone unfamiliar with politics and the Democrat wins hands down just in presentation of ideas. We are so cooked. |
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Originally Posted By Alwaysright: All I know is im shopping for NODS, and waiting for my sweet DJT freedom bucks.  Stack that together with your DOGE Dividend & Trump Tariff bucks & you'll certainly have some awesome thermals. Bigger_Hammer 
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: What is the Republican candidate running on? The fuck if I know? I didn't even remember his name until I looked it up. He has done a shit job campaigning. The biggest part of his website is "SEND ME MONEY". Then it rambles about healthcare. Let me guess, did he promise they're going to "Repeal and replace Obamacare"? ETA: I just looked at the website for the R here running for Senate. He doesn't have anything on his site about the issues. 52 days until the election and his site shows zero campaign events scheduled. |
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Originally Posted By DDalton: If he's like half the people that ran in our primary, he's just repeating "I'll work in lockstep with President Trump to accomplish his goals." Gee, not really selling yourself, there, bud. That's exactly what the guy I mentioned in the above post is like. Almost his whole campaign is just "I'm endorsed by Trump". When he does say something other than that he says something dumb that gets used in ads against him. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Trump should be hounding Congress to roll back all of Obama's diesel regulations...make diesel cheaper than gas again. That's about the only way they could turn things around. Prices cannot fall with diesel this high. The corn being harvested for all of next year will have the high fuel costs of this year built into the price. 
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Exactly. In 2018 not much had changed for the better but things didn't get worse. This time, other than the border security, federal gun rights, and the stock market, pretty much everything has gotten worse. My US House race is now tied, it is most likely going to flip D. So damn right I am going to be critical of the events that have led to that being possible. Uncle Trump better get his ass to my district, campaign, and throw $30 million towards my US Reps race to make sure it doesn't flip. I doubt he does any of those and then I get a liberal Dem Rep. The saying "It is the economy stupid" still applies and the daily economy for the working class sucks! Even if Trump issued $5,000 before the election most people would say their daily life sucks given chuck steak is now $11.00 a pound and gas is over $4.00 a gallon. Here are the issues the Dem candidate for my House district is running on: End the Trade War and Get Costs Down for Kentucky Families Stop Endless Wars in the Middle East Root Out Corruption and Restore Integrity to Government Rebuild the American Dream - People who work full-time should make enough money to feed their families and pay their bills. Strengthen Our Schools and Invest in the Next Generation Commonsense Immigration Reform - ICE is out of control right now; one need look no further than their killings of two Americans Make Healthcare Affordable for Everyone Commonsense Regulation for AI and Data Centers Let women make their own healthcare decisions - abortion What is the Republican candidate running on? The fuck if I know? I didn't even remember his name until I looked it up. He has done a shit job campaigning. The biggest part of his website is "SEND ME MONEY". Then it rambles about healthcare. Take someone unfamiliar with politics and the Democrat wins hands down just in presentation of ideas. We are so cooked.Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By Glock031: TDS is getting all hot, wet and worked up in this thread. They better hope things don't go sideways. Just wondering why you think people being critical of Trump will cause things to go sides? Do you think Trump is that weak and fragile that he will fail if everyone doesn't white knight for him? I would say people are criticizing Trump because 1) we think things have already gone a little "sideways" and/or 2) we're worried things are about to go "sideways" in the midterms. In 2018, I didn't think the Republicans really did anything to justify the blue wave. The Democrats still don't have any answers and they don't deserve to benefit from the GOP's incompetence, but at least this time around I can understand the unhappiness with the GOP's job performance. Exactly. In 2018 not much had changed for the better but things didn't get worse. This time, other than the border security, federal gun rights, and the stock market, pretty much everything has gotten worse. My US House race is now tied, it is most likely going to flip D. So damn right I am going to be critical of the events that have led to that being possible. Uncle Trump better get his ass to my district, campaign, and throw $30 million towards my US Reps race to make sure it doesn't flip. I doubt he does any of those and then I get a liberal Dem Rep. The saying "It is the economy stupid" still applies and the daily economy for the working class sucks! Even if Trump issued $5,000 before the election most people would say their daily life sucks given chuck steak is now $11.00 a pound and gas is over $4.00 a gallon. Here are the issues the Dem candidate for my House district is running on: End the Trade War and Get Costs Down for Kentucky Families Stop Endless Wars in the Middle East Root Out Corruption and Restore Integrity to Government Rebuild the American Dream - People who work full-time should make enough money to feed their families and pay their bills. Strengthen Our Schools and Invest in the Next Generation Commonsense Immigration Reform - ICE is out of control right now; one need look no further than their killings of two Americans Make Healthcare Affordable for Everyone Commonsense Regulation for AI and Data Centers Let women make their own healthcare decisions - abortion What is the Republican candidate running on? The fuck if I know? I didn't even remember his name until I looked it up. He has done a shit job campaigning. The biggest part of his website is "SEND ME MONEY". Then it rambles about healthcare. Take someone unfamiliar with politics and the Democrat wins hands down just in presentation of ideas. We are so cooked.Andy Barr now using his daughter and making himself look like a village idiot also. While Charles Booker hits on the issues. |
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Originally Posted By Hostile1: This is correct. So many don't understand this Originally Posted By Hostile1: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Trump should be hounding Congress to roll back all of Obama's diesel regulations...make diesel cheaper than gas again. That's about the only way they could turn things around. Prices cannot fall with diesel this high. The corn being harvested for all of next year will have the high fuel costs of this year built into the price. This is correct. So many don't understand this What diesel regulations? |
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When I posted this over on du with a troll account, it triggered everybody and I got instantly kicked. I'm sure it will trigger and uncover all the du plants that are here. I don't really give a shit what happens to anyone outside of my family. Right now my family is doing just fine. We are thriving. I'll concern myself with spending time with them and loving them. My tds dad sends me "zomg the sky is falling trump!" emails weekly. Its literally killing him. Wish he would take a week off from the gay and retarded news and go outside. |
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Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Yep, we are the US consumers/taxpayers and sometimes the importer. Trump gets the American people to pay the tariffs, but because the import gets the bill instead of the average person, the average Joe writes it off as inflation. Then when Joe gets a check for 5k he thanks President Trump instead of realizing that 5k cost him more than he got back. Like I said a “great deal.” (That last part is sarcasm.) Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Trump thinks we are taking in 21 trillion in tariff money.
Uh... ignoring the obvious inaccuracy of that figure, tariffs are paid for by the US importer who likely passes most or all of that additional cost down to the US consumer/taxpayer; so, Trump is claiming that he's taking in 21T in tariffs by effectively taxing the US taxpayer and paying back 1T as a thank you only if Republicans win the midterms. What a deal.  The fuck? The people paying these massive tariffs are me, and you. Americans are paying them. I'm starting to get a little dizzy trying to keep up with the money that I am paying, then getting back as a gift or bribe, then paying again. Yep, we are the US consumers/taxpayers and sometimes the importer. Trump gets the American people to pay the tariffs, but because the import gets the bill instead of the average person, the average Joe writes it off as inflation. Then when Joe gets a check for 5k he thanks President Trump instead of realizing that 5k cost him more than he got back. Like I said a “great deal.” (That last part is sarcasm.) People forget or dont understand that tariffs are not really supposed to be paid by the consumer. Its a business tool, and the business importing should hit back on suppliers for reduced cost. You are arfcom and import aluminum billets or trigger guards manufactured in china or canada. The tariff raises price of those by 25%. Its now a price increase on your supplies. I am the billet maker or trigger guard supplier in china. You come at me for a reduction so your domestic inputs stay the same, or way less that 25%. I want to keep your business so i drop 12% or more. and/or you start trying to source other billets or trigger guards at a cheaper price elsewhere to. That keeps the prices much lower than the 25% and puts overseas/exporter money into uncle sams pocket. Now if arfcom is lazy and just wants to pass the cost on to the consumer, its up to the consumer to start looking at other sellers for trigger guards or billets cheaper. Eventually, most of the tariff should be put on the exporter. Dont support lazy business. |
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Could someone please explain to brain damaged grandpa that OTHER Countries do not pay Tariffs Only American Companies & American Workers & American Customer pay those Tariffs. Tariffs are nothing but a TAX on AMERICANS. Trump is taking money out of the pockets of Americans while our Retarded Grandpa in Chief & his band of sycophantic idiots cheer on Tariff stupidity. JFC! Bigger_Hammer Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Trump thinks we are taking in 21 trillion in tariff money.
Could someone please explain to brain damaged grandpa that OTHER Countries do not pay Tariffs Only American Companies & American Workers & American Customer pay those Tariffs. Tariffs are nothing but a TAX on AMERICANS. Trump is taking money out of the pockets of Americans while our Retarded Grandpa in Chief & his band of sycophantic idiots cheer on Tariff stupidity. JFC! Bigger_Hammer Only a lazy business lays down and passes the complete tariff. I wont stand for it, i will source elsewhere for products that are cheaper. Its not instant but pressure needs to be put on the business importing. Or, you can just reward a business for not being a business. I’m in business and will shop my suppliers, and have in the last 28 years. |
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Originally Posted By MattyMattel: What diesel regulations? Originally Posted By MattyMattel: Originally Posted By Hostile1: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Trump should be hounding Congress to roll back all of Obama's diesel regulations...make diesel cheaper than gas again. That's about the only way they could turn things around. Prices cannot fall with diesel this high. The corn being harvested for all of next year will have the high fuel costs of this year built into the price. This is correct. So many don't understand this What diesel regulations? Taking it down to 15 ppm of sulfur. Even off road refined down. It reduces sulfur that acted as a lubricant too. But now, all the damn diesels have dpf’s or scr systems that would instantly be fucked if we regular sulfur diesel in, so not an option. |
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Originally Posted By DDalton: If he's like half the people that ran in our primary, he's just repeating "I'll work in lockstep with President Trump to accomplish his goals." Gee, not really selling yourself, there, bud. All the candidates in Texas were two issues (1) The Republican was going to stop Texans from being ruled by "Sharia Law" ... I'm glad they will bravely "stop" some Saudi sheik with a scimitar from beheading me for sipping a Shiner on a sizzling summer 🍺 (Rofl2) (2) And how absolutely, totally & completely they would be subservient to the person of Donald Trump. Bigger_Hammer
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Originally Posted By AttachedFile: The conversation is about tariffs via EO, which happened because democrats and the principaled tards voted against tariffs. Try to keep up or go back to the kids table. Originally Posted By AttachedFile: Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By AttachedFile: Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By WildBoar: $5000 DOGE checks - vapor $2000 Tarrif checks - vapor Now a $5000 check? Surely this time it will happen lol I don't support any of those but any idiot that believes him is lost at this point. This makes the Republicans look weak as Hell that they need to bribe people to pay for them in order to win. And most people se its another bullshit promise. People see Trump for what he has become. No sane person believes anyone is getting a $5,000 check let alone a $5.00 when his last promises vaporized. People remember. Speaking of the $2,000 tariff checks. Dems always block it then play like they didn't have anything to do with it. They will try to block the $5,000 checks then blame Trump for not sending them out.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-09-11_at_17-28-23__15__S-3825982.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-09-11_at_17-28-40__15__S-3825983.JPG The businesses that sued the Trump Admin got SCOTUS to overturn the liberation day tariffs. Not everything on Twitter is true… Also, if Trump never used an EO to raise those tariffs in the first place, none of those businesses would have gotten those refunds and that money would have stayed in the US consumers’ pockets. Same goes for the $5000 “dividends.” It’s unnecessary redistribution of wealth. So pretty much the same point. Democrats blocked tariffs. So the Heavily Conservative SCOTUS are "Democrats" ...  Trump improperly abused Executive Orders to grossly exceed a law passed for EMERGENCY usage of Tariffs for his idiotic trade war. SCOTUS called it correctly. Bigger_Hammer The conversation is about tariffs via EO, which happened because democrats and the principaled tards voted against tariffs. Try to keep up or go back to the kids table. LOL Tariffs are for 'tards. ETA - principled 
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Originally Posted By boolzi: Only a lazy business lays down and passes the complete tariff. I wont stand for it, i will source elsewhere for products that are cheaper. Its not instant but pressure needs to be put on the business importing. Or, you can just reward a business for not being a business. I’m in business and will shop my suppliers, and have in the last 28 years. A business owner should frequently be "shopping" suppliers to ensure adequate supply capacity & price stability (or hopefully price reductions that can be passed on to customers or off set price increases on other components). However there are numerous situations were there is absolutely NO "domestic alternatives" for businesses to "switch" suppliers. Bigger_Hammer
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BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!!
BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!!
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Originally Posted By boolzi: Taking it down to 15 ppm of sulfur. Even off road refined down. It reduces sulfur that acted as a lubricant too. But now, all the damn diesels have dpf’s or scr systems that would instantly be fucked if we regular sulfur diesel in, so not an option. Originally Posted By boolzi: Originally Posted By MattyMattel: Originally Posted By Hostile1: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Trump should be hounding Congress to roll back all of Obama's diesel regulations...make diesel cheaper than gas again. That's about the only way they could turn things around. Prices cannot fall with diesel this high. The corn being harvested for all of next year will have the high fuel costs of this year built into the price. This is correct. So many don't understand this What diesel regulations? Taking it down to 15 ppm of sulfur. Even off road refined down. It reduces sulfur that acted as a lubricant too. But now, all the damn diesels have dpf’s or scr systems that would instantly be fucked if we regular sulfur diesel in, so not an option. Diesel engine manufacturers won't remove the emissions systems, knowing full well that the political winds will shift in a few years and those same systems will be required again. I hate 'em, but those same manufacturers did themselves no favors faking up the EPA tests. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Amazon said they were going to pass the tariff on to the consumer and they were going to spell it out on the bill the price increase was for the tariffs. Amazon owner immediately got called to the Whitehouse for a meeting. Got called to the Whitehouse for a meeting? lol Also, Amazon is publicly traded, not privatly owned. |
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Originally Posted By MattyMattel: Diesel engine manufacturers won't remove the emissions systems, knowing full well that the political winds will shift in a few years and those same systems will be required again. I hate 'em, but those same manufacturers did themselves no favors faking up the EPA tests. That’s the way I see it too, all that investment costs to develop cleaner burning engines are sunk costs, they’re not going anywhere. Sure auto start/stop maybe will go away but DEF/Regen systems/ cylinder deactivation isn’t going away. IMO the choice for consumers is to look really hard at hybrid and full EV’s to break the cycle. Not really a choice for commercial and heavy haul folks at this point. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: My wife and I both have made more money, both at work and in the market, under Trump than under any other president. And yes I know it's all relative with inflation and whatnot, but we are still overall way way way way ahead. What industry do you work in? |
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: A business owner should frequently be "shopping" suppliers to ensure adequate supply capacity & price stability (or hopefully price reductions that can be passed on to customers or off set price increases on other components). However there are numerous situations were there is absolutely NO "domestic alternatives" for businesses to "switch" suppliers. Bigger_Hammer Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By boolzi: Only a lazy business lays down and passes the complete tariff. I wont stand for it, i will source elsewhere for products that are cheaper. Its not instant but pressure needs to be put on the business importing. Or, you can just reward a business for not being a business. I’m in business and will shop my suppliers, and have in the last 28 years. A business owner should frequently be "shopping" suppliers to ensure adequate supply capacity & price stability (or hopefully price reductions that can be passed on to customers or off set price increases on other components). However there are numerous situations were there is absolutely NO "domestic alternatives" for businesses to "switch" suppliers. Bigger_Hammer So starting the tariffs are not a quick fix but consumerism will prevail. Personally I am for anything that forces domestic production. I’m not for choking people out financially all at once, and it involves some financial burden and political changed. But learning that we are at the mercy of China for heparin and penicillin based antibiotics is eye opening. Add in magnets and those 3 things could send us to a bad place if cut off. I think sourcing raw materials globally should be our base line, products should mostly be domestic made. Globalism is never fair and never secure. We start of using shithole countries for free labor and no epa, then we create superpowers that can effectively end us. |
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Originally Posted By boolzi: People forget or dont understand that tariffs are not really supposed to be paid by the consumer. Its a business tool, and the business importing should hit back on suppliers for reduced cost. You are arfcom and import aluminum billets or trigger guards manufactured in china or canada. The tariff raises price of those by 25%. Its now a price increase on your supplies. I am the billet maker or trigger guard supplier in china. You come at me for a reduction so your domestic inputs stay the same, or way less that 25%. I want to keep your business so i drop 12% or more. and/or you start trying to source other billets or trigger guards at a cheaper price elsewhere to. That keeps the prices much lower than the 25% and puts overseas/exporter money into uncle sams pocket. Now if arfcom is lazy and just wants to pass the cost on to the consumer, its up to the consumer to start looking at other sellers for trigger guards or billets cheaper. Eventually, most of the tariff should be put on the exporter. Dont support lazy business. Originally Posted By boolzi: Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By NN300BLK: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Trump thinks we are taking in 21 trillion in tariff money.
Uh... ignoring the obvious inaccuracy of that figure, tariffs are paid for by the US importer who likely passes most or all of that additional cost down to the US consumer/taxpayer; so, Trump is claiming that he's taking in 21T in tariffs by effectively taxing the US taxpayer and paying back 1T as a thank you only if Republicans win the midterms. What a deal. The fuck? The people paying these massive tariffs are me, and you. Americans are paying them. I'm starting to get a little dizzy trying to keep up with the money that I am paying, then getting back as a gift or bribe, then paying again. Yep, we are the US consumers/taxpayers and sometimes the importer. Trump gets the American people to pay the tariffs, but because the import gets the bill instead of the average person, the average Joe writes it off as inflation. Then when Joe gets a check for 5k he thanks President Trump instead of realizing that 5k cost him more than he got back. Like I said a “great deal.” (That last part is sarcasm.) People forget or dont understand that tariffs are not really supposed to be paid by the consumer. Its a business tool, and the business importing should hit back on suppliers for reduced cost. You are arfcom and import aluminum billets or trigger guards manufactured in china or canada. The tariff raises price of those by 25%. Its now a price increase on your supplies. I am the billet maker or trigger guard supplier in china. You come at me for a reduction so your domestic inputs stay the same, or way less that 25%. I want to keep your business so i drop 12% or more. and/or you start trying to source other billets or trigger guards at a cheaper price elsewhere to. That keeps the prices much lower than the 25% and puts overseas/exporter money into uncle sams pocket. Now if arfcom is lazy and just wants to pass the cost on to the consumer, its up to the consumer to start looking at other sellers for trigger guards or billets cheaper. Eventually, most of the tariff should be put on the exporter. Dont support lazy business. That’s assuming the foreign manufacturer has good margins or doesn’t have a better opportunity. I’m going to treat it as example 1 and example 2. Example 1: Aluminum billet. There are a lot of places to buy aluminum raw stock, but more importantly there are a lot of uses for aluminum raw stock. They have no shortage of buyers for aluminum. Example 2: Trigger Guards. I doubt trigger guards alone are keeping their lights on. They may be better off closing down those production lines than accept lower margins. There are many industries where the exporter likely absorbed some of the cost, but the overall price went up. When the price of foreign produced goods go up, domestic goods follow. |
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Originally Posted By Ulster: https://i.postimg.cc/52SQRdqL/Screenshot-2026-09-09-225433.png To incentivize voters to cast ballots for Republicans, President Trump used his convention speech to promise a dividend of $5,000 to every adult citizen if the Republican Party maintains control of Congress in the midterm election. "If the Republicans win, you win with us and you get $5,000," he said. "It will be called the Trump dividend, congratulations." Trump did not provide details about where the money would come from or the legality of his promise. According to the most recent Census data, it could cost $1 trillion or more to provide these payments. Trump promises $5,000 dividend in convention speech, but only if Republicans win If he does it, will we have a thread discussing what gun you're buying with the taxpayer's money that was redistributed to you to pay you for voting how our political patron wanted us to?  Decent on some things, good on a tiny few, and then sometimes, spectacularly dumb. It would be so good if our fedgov was shrunk down to the point where nobody cared who president was because the fedgov didn't matter outside of wartime. |
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Originally Posted By Hostile1: This is correct. So many don't understand this Originally Posted By Hostile1: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Trump should be hounding Congress to roll back all of Obama's diesel regulations...make diesel cheaper than gas again. That's about the only way they could turn things around. Prices cannot fall with diesel this high. The corn being harvested for all of next year will have the high fuel costs of this year built into the price. This is correct. So many don't understand this I suspect it would take years to undo that, and the refineries would have to be able to turn those production pipelines and processes back on, and if they assessed the risk of the next junta coming into the white house as undoing it all, they'd (rightly) say "nope, not wasting the resources to do it on something that the feds can just taksies-backsies on." |
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Originally Posted By boolzi: So starting the tariffs are not a quick fix but consumerism will prevail. Personally I am for anything that forces domestic production. I’m not for choking people out financially all at once, and it involves some financial burden and political changed. But learning that we are at the mercy of China for heparin and penicillin based antibiotics is eye opening. Add in magnets and those 3 things could send us to a bad place if cut off. I think sourcing raw materials globally should be our base line, products should mostly be domestic made. Globalism is never fair and never secure. We start of using shithole countries for free labor and no epa, then we create superpowers that can effectively end us. Originally Posted By boolzi: Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By boolzi: Only a lazy business lays down and passes the complete tariff. I wont stand for it, i will source elsewhere for products that are cheaper. Its not instant but pressure needs to be put on the business importing. Or, you can just reward a business for not being a business. I’m in business and will shop my suppliers, and have in the last 28 years. A business owner should frequently be "shopping" suppliers to ensure adequate supply capacity & price stability (or hopefully price reductions that can be passed on to customers or off set price increases on other components). However there are numerous situations were there is absolutely NO "domestic alternatives" for businesses to "switch" suppliers. Bigger_Hammer So starting the tariffs are not a quick fix but consumerism will prevail. Personally I am for anything that forces domestic production. I’m not for choking people out financially all at once, and it involves some financial burden and political changed. But learning that we are at the mercy of China for heparin and penicillin based antibiotics is eye opening. Add in magnets and those 3 things could send us to a bad place if cut off. I think sourcing raw materials globally should be our base line, products should mostly be domestic made. Globalism is never fair and never secure. We start of using shithole countries for free labor and no epa, then we create superpowers that can effectively end us. You realize some businesses go to supply houses that buy goods in bulk from distributors, right? If you go to McMaster-Carr and look at some of their screws, they’ll have like 10 possible countries of origin listed. |
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Why all you DJT and republican haters keeping your Trump tax cuts? Enjoying your 2A freedoms? I'm making more money now than ever. Aren't you? I will live to see your next leftwing communist tyrant. I hope all you TDS and liberal communist suffer worse under that tyrant then the rest of us. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: When I posted this over on du with a troll account, it triggered everybody and I got instantly kicked. I'm sure it will trigger and uncover all the du plants that are here. I don't really give a shit what happens to anyone outside of my family. Right now my family is doing just fine. We are thriving. I'll concern myself with spending time with them and loving them. My tds dad sends me "zomg the sky is falling trump!" emails weekly. Its literally killing him. Wish he would take a week off from the gay and retarded news and go outside. Imagine having TDS to the point that you make troll accounts on Democrat websites Then tell other people to go outside. Originally Posted By Glock031: Why all you DJT and republican haters keeping your Trump tax cuts? Enjoying your 2A freedoms? I'm making more money now than ever. Aren't you? I will live to see your next leftwing communist tyrant. I hope all you TDS and liberal communist suffer worse under that tyrant then the rest of us. Imagine having TDS to the point that you derive joy out of seeing your fellow countrymen suffer. Wow. |
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Originally Posted By boolzi: People forget or dont understand that tariffs are not really supposed to be paid by the consumer. Its a business tool, and the business importing should hit back on suppliers for reduced cost. You are arfcom and import aluminum billets or trigger guards manufactured in china or canada. The tariff raises price of those by 25%. Its now a price increase on your supplies. I am the billet maker or trigger guard supplier in china. You come at me for a reduction so your domestic inputs stay the same, or way less that 25%. I want to keep your business so i drop 12% or more. and/or you start trying to source other billets or trigger guards at a cheaper price elsewhere to. That keeps the prices much lower than the 25% and puts overseas/exporter money into uncle sams pocket. Now if arfcom is lazy and just wants to pass the cost on to the consumer, its up to the consumer to start looking at other sellers for trigger guards or billets cheaper. Eventually, most of the tariff should be put on the exporter. Dont support lazy business. That's fantasy. The cost always works down to the final payer. The final payer is always the consumer. Businesses that try and eat the cost or spread it at the wholesale level will get their cookies taken by everyone that doesn't. Niel boortz, back when he was on the air, was obnoxious and wrong about a whole bunch of things, but one of the things he wasn't wrong about is that all taxes are paid by individuals. You cannot undo this, it is effectively a law of reality. Cost, btw, is not the price. Prices should be shaped by costs, but they are not the same thing. Cost of a thing is the loss of opportunity you incurred to get that thing. When you realize this and start tracking things as they move through the system, the false idea that you can isolate the costs from consumers comes into clear view. |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Imagine having TDS to the point that you make troll accounts on Democrat websites Then tell other people to go outside. Imagine having TDS to the point that you derive joy out of seeing your fellow countrymen suffer. Wow. It's not joy. It's payback. You TDS communist want us to suffer under a leftist tyrant by default of your actions. I'm just hoping all you TDS suffer worse under that leftist tyrant. I no longer consider yous fellow country men. No way more like adversary's. |
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trump heard the malcontents in this thread and is removing tariffs on… world wide rockstar |
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Originally Posted By Extorris: That's exactly what the guy I mentioned in the above post is like. Almost his whole campaign is just "I'm endorsed by Trump". When he does say something other than that he says something dumb that gets used in ads against him. Originally Posted By Extorris: Originally Posted By DDalton: If he's like half the people that ran in our primary, he's just repeating "I'll work in lockstep with President Trump to accomplish his goals." Gee, not really selling yourself, there, bud. That's exactly what the guy I mentioned in the above post is like. Almost his whole campaign is just "I'm endorsed by Trump". When he does say something other than that he says something dumb that gets used in ads against him. Trump controls the election purse and is demanding campaigns highlighting how awesome he is with a 33% approval rating. He’s only exacerbating the uphill battle these candidates face. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: Yea... if you follow Peoples Pundit at all.. you know things are not looking good. My initial thought that this will be reminiscent of the Dems 2010 losses is looking more realistic than anything else. That’s a fair assessment as Trump is to the Republicans as Obama was to the democrats for these midterms. |
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Originally Posted By Glock031: Why all you DJT and republican haters keeping your Trump tax cuts? Enjoying your 2A freedoms? I'm making more money now than ever. Aren't you? I will live to see your next leftwing communist tyrant. I hope all you TDS and liberal communist suffer worse under that tyrant then the rest of us. Yes and I’m paying much more too. |
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Originally Posted By Glock031: It's not joy. It's payback. You TDS communist want us to suffer under a leftist tyrant by default of your actions. I'm just hoping all you TDS suffer worse under that leftist tyrant. I no longer consider yous fellow country men. No way more like adversary's. This is hilarious. Who is the communists? Your guy, who already set a record deficit, wants to give every single person $5,000 if people vote how he wants. You are "thriving" yet for some reason you want that government handout even though it will hurt you and your family long term due to inflation. That is some true MAGA stuff right there. George Washington would be so proud of us. And you call others leftists for being against handouts? And you think your favorite New York, lifelong democrat actually cares about your guns after saying "take the guns first, due process later"? MAGA lost the plot years ago, but this is pure hilarity. Some of you people are just living in bizzarro world. edit: maybe this is satire, if so then good job 
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Originally Posted By Glock031: It's not joy. It's payback. You TDS communist want us to suffer under a leftist tyrant by default of your actions. I'm just hoping all you TDS suffer worse under that leftist tyrant. I no longer consider yous fellow country men. No way more like adversary's. Just so I'm clear here: Calling out Trump for promising $5K in DOGE payments (didn't/won't happen), $2K in tariff repayments (didn't/won't happen), $1K in ACA refunds (didn't/won't happen), and now a $5K bonus to voters if a bunch of Republicans win in the midterms (won't happen), we're now your adversaries, and no longer your countrymen? Ooooookay then.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
--RWR, 1964
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Originally Posted By Gloftoe: Just so I'm clear here: Calling out Trump for promising $5K in DOGE payments (didn't/won't happen), $2K in tariff repayments (didn't/won't happen), $1K in ACA refunds (didn't/won't happen), and now a $5K bonus to voters if a bunch of Republicans win in the midterms (won't happen), we're now your adversaries, and no longer your countrymen? Ooooookay then. If you criticize the government handout then you're a socialists commie RHINO! 
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Originally Posted By Glock031: Why all you DJT and republican haters keeping your Trump tax cuts? Enjoying your 2A freedoms? I'm making more money now than ever. Aren't you? I will live to see your next leftwing communist tyrant. I hope all you TDS and liberal communist suffer worse under that tyrant then the rest of us. Aren't you the one who posted that you wish that "Conservatives are rounded up & sent to Concentration camps"? Bigger_Hammer |
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BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!!
BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT SHOUTING "HOLY $H!T...WHAT A RIDE"!!