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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So question for you railroaders. Say you have one of these super long ass trains. Your in the lead locomotive. Something happens to a car back say at toward the rear of train. How the heck do you know that say....a car derails etc...alarms etc? I know this may sound dumb....just curious... Air line separation causes alarms and the train to go into emegency braking. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:08:05 PM EDT
[#2]
They should start charging someone $500 every 15 minutes for all that pollution. This is orange mans fault.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should start charging someone $500 every 15 minutes for all that pollution. This is orange mans fault. It is Tempe, though. 
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:13:18 PM EDT
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As I said before there was a minorderailment with a local on that EXACT same spot a month ago....I guarantee you the company just put a bandaid in it and pressed on...
The people currently making decisions at UPRR have zero or near zero actual RR ground level experience, when PSR was implemented they escorted all those folks out of HQ... Practices and behavior that would have gotten me fired 2 years ago for being unsafe are now encouraged... |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:18:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So question for you railroaders. Say you have one of these super long ass trains. Your in the lead locomotive. Something happens to a car back say at toward the rear of train. How the heck do you know that say....a car derails etc...alarms etc? I know this may sound dumb....just curious... The train stops moving for one reason or another and then you get to go back and find out why. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I said before there was a minorderailment with a local on that EXACT same spot a month ago....I guarantee you the company just put a bandaid in it and pressed on... The people currently making decisions at UPRR have zero or near zero actual RR ground level experience, when PSR was implemented they escorted all those folks out of HQ... Practices and behavior that would have gotten me fired 2 years ago for being unsafe are now encouraged... Why do you think there was so much train separation? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats gonna do wonders for lumber prices. Not even a drop in the bucket. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:26:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you think there was so much train separation? With regards to this current derailment? or? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:45:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Surprised they didn't try to get another locomotive out there and pull that tail end stuff back off the bridge (last cars are over land). Now the freight car full of lumber is fully involved, will likely spread to the tank cars behind it. Since it it is in the middle of the lake they have no way to fight it. There were already two engines on the north side, so they were able to pull the other cars free. I'm guessing they had to wait until they could either decouple the cars or they were sure the cars they were going to pull off it weren't smouldering. In addition to this train bridge, the bridge for the passenger light rail is only about 30 feet from where the fire was hottest. I'm guessing that will be shut down for awhile until they can be sure that the heat didn't damage that bridge too. 
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you think there was so much train separation? If you mean the current deralment, I have no Idea, but I'd wonder if the bridge collapse may have caused some pull towards the collapse. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:50:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ... that railroad bridge is 108 years old In the 70's when I was in high school we used to walk out on that bridge then crawl out under it to drink beer and wait for a train to pass over us. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:51:34 PM EDT
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I got nothing except fuck.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 1:51:44 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the 70's when I was in high school we used to walk out on that bridge then crawl out under it to drink beer and wait for a train to pass over us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... that railroad bridge is 108 years old In the 70's when I was in high school we used to walk out on that bridge then crawl out under it to drink beer and wait for a train to pass over us.  Eighties. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:03:15 PM EDT
[#14]
Wow. The gal that was riding her bike under the bridge when the train derailed. Yikes.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:05:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats gonna do wonders for lumber prices. My team will sell $180,000 in lumber this week. There are around 8,000 places in the country you can buy lumber. Lumber prices won’t be affected. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. The gal that was riding her bike under the bridge when the train derailed. Yikes. Pretty heavily used bike/walking path.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:13:22 PM EDT
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That line goes west out here through buckeye but they abandoned it in the 90's. Wonder if they regret that now or if they can reroute traffic elsewhere?
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... that railroad bridge is 108 years old |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That line goes west out here through buckeye but they abandoned it in the 90's. Wonder if they regret that now or if they can reroute traffic elsewhere? While not completely 'abandoned' it's not maintained enough to run above 10mph so they just store stuff out there. That fatal Amtrak derailment in the early 90's was an excuse for SP (Pre UP) to stop most maintinance, AMTRAK would love it to reopen so they can get into phx and pop back out at wellton and into Cali. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:28:36 PM EDT
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I know a couple of guys in college that walked to the center of that bridge. Then got on the outside of it on the steel girders as a train went by. Whole thing shakes and vibrates. Dumb and scary
This is a mess I bet not easy to clean up. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:29:58 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With regards to this current derailment? or? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why do you think there was so much train separation? With regards to this current derailment? or? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:30:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a couple of guys in college that walked to the center of that bridge. Then got on the outside of it on the steel girders as a train went by. Whole thing shakes and vibrates. Dumb and scary This is a mess I bet not easy to clean up. That bridge by the Santa Cruz boardwalk was scarier. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:35:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DAMN! I live 2500 miles from there! Yep, right around the continent from me too. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 2:45:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. The gal that was riding her bike under the bridge when the train derailed. Yikes. was she interviewed? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:12:07 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So question for you railroaders. Say you have one of these super long ass trains. Your in the lead locomotive. Something happens to a car back say at toward the rear of train. How the heck do you know that say....a car derails etc...alarms etc? I know this may sound dumb....just curious... The air dumps and the train goes into emergency and stops, and then some unlucky bastard has to get out and hoof it along the length of the train to find out what happened. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The air dumps and the train goes into emergency and stops, and then some unlucky bastard has to get out and hoof it along the length of the train to find out what happened. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So question for you railroaders. Say you have one of these super long ass trains. Your in the lead locomotive. Something happens to a car back say at toward the rear of train. How the heck do you know that say....a car derails etc...alarms etc? I know this may sound dumb....just curious... The air dumps and the train goes into emergency and stops, and then some unlucky bastard has to get out and hoof it along the length of the train to find out what happened. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:21:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WAS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... that railroad bridge is 108 years old Won't make 109 |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:40:24 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So question for you railroaders. Say you have one of these super long ass trains. Your in the lead locomotive. Something happens to a car back say at toward the rear of train. How the heck do you know that say....a car derails etc...alarms etc? I know this may sound dumb....just curious... The air dumps and the train goes into emergency and stops, and then some unlucky bastard has to get out and hoof it along the length of the train to find out what happened. yea...walking a 14000' train....between Yuma and Gila Bend at noon....always a treat. You can't hump enough water |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:46:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2186.1 from there. Maybe go for a drive this aft to check it out since I'm much closer than you are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DAMN! I live 2500 miles from there! 2186.1 from there. Maybe go for a drive this aft to check it out since I'm much closer than you are. Come visit. It is also near the intersection where the self-driving Uber got a confirmed kill. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:47:30 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Come visit. It is also near the intersection where the self-driving Uber got a confirmed kill. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: DAMN! I live 2500 miles from there! 2186.1 from there. Maybe go for a drive this aft to check it out since I'm much closer than you are. Come visit. It is also near the intersection where the self-driving Uber got a confirmed kill. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:53:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the 70's when I was in high school we used to walk out on that bridge then crawl out under it to drink beer and wait for a train to pass over us. Hey! Us too. THS '82. We partied more towards Hardy back then. But 4 Wheeled almost every weekend around there. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:54:44 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey! Us too. THS '82. We partied more towards Hardy back then. But 4 Wheeled almost every weekend around there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the 70's when I was in high school we used to walk out on that bridge then crawl out under it to drink beer and wait for a train to pass over us. Hey! Us too. THS '82. We partied more towards Hardy back then. But 4 Wheeled almost every weekend around there.  |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:56:10 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That bridge by the Santa Cruz boardwalk was scarier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know a couple of guys in college that walked to the center of that bridge. Then got on the outside of it on the steel girders as a train went by. Whole thing shakes and vibrates. Dumb and scary This is a mess I bet not easy to clean up. That bridge by the Santa Cruz boardwalk was scarier. Where was that? In Tempe? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 3:59:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where was that? In Tempe? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know a couple of guys in college that walked to the center of that bridge. Then got on the outside of it on the steel girders as a train went by. Whole thing shakes and vibrates. Dumb and scary This is a mess I bet not easy to clean up. That bridge by the Santa Cruz boardwalk was scarier. Where was that? In Tempe? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 4:04:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Remember the pedestrian bridge on College Ave over the Superstition Freeway?
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Posted: 7/29/2020 4:11:44 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember the pedestrian bridge on College Ave over the Superstition Freeway? Ha! I do. Lived there in ‘87. Phoenix was a very different place.  Just had a layover in Tempe at the Courtyard, Sunday. Those tracks run right past the hotel. Had dinner at the Tee-Pee with my daughter. Yum! TC |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 4:18:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, I used to live 150 yards from there.  Me too. Right up by Papago Park. We must have been neighbors. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 4:19:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely pushing the intermodal guys to 10k trains, the buzzword measurement of the day is UPT (Units per train) though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! We have been hearing that the ultimate goal is for the majority of trains to be 10,000 ft now. Definitely pushing the intermodal guys to 10k trains, the buzzword measurement of the day is UPT (Units per train) though. Seems like they are no longer applying the super train idea to just intermodal or grain empties. We have been seeing consistent 120 to 150 car mixed freight almost daily. One was 180 recently. Reefers, boxes, lumber, tanks. DP in the middle, EOT or another DP on the rear sometimes. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 4:42:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple years ago a a huge cargo train derailed here in Tucson aound Twin Peaks and I-10. Monsoon season, there was a flash flood loaded with so much debris it knocked that fucker right off the tracks. It was insane The video of the locomotive hydroplaning/swimming was quite impressive! |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 4:45:28 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha! I do. Lived there in '87. Phoenix was a very different place. Just had a layover in Tempe at the Courtyard, Sunday. Those tracks run right past the hotel. Had dinner at the Tee-Pee with my daughter. Yum! TC Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remember the pedestrian bridge on College Ave over the Superstition Freeway? Ha! I do. Lived there in '87. Phoenix was a very different place. Just had a layover in Tempe at the Courtyard, Sunday. Those tracks run right past the hotel. Had dinner at the Tee-Pee with my daughter. Yum! TC
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Posted: 7/29/2020 4:50:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you mean the current deralment, I have no Idea, but I'd wonder if the bridge collapse may have caused some pull towards the collapse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why do you think there was so much train separation? If you mean the current deralment, I have no Idea, but I'd wonder if the bridge collapse may have caused some pull towards the collapse. Yes, this incident. The separation between the the detached rear of the train and the derailed head of the train seems significant. I was wondering if there was some reason the crew might have made a cut there to do some industry work or set out a bad order or something. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 5:14:11 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, this incident. The separation between the the detached rear of the train and the derailed head of the train seems significant. I was wondering if there was some reason the crew might have made a cut there to do some industry work or set out a bad order or something. @Boomer Are you talking about physical separation? IE, the two parts of the train being on opposite sides of the bridge? Because that was not the case when the accident occurred. The train cars that were still on the bridge appear to have been moved away after the accident, presumably so they wouldn't catch fire or fall into the lake if more of the bride collapsed. Video just after the accident showed that the north side of the train (the non-collapsed side of the lake) had two engines on it, so it could have been moved as soon as safe. Before:  After: 
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Posted: 7/29/2020 5:33:25 PM EDT
[#43]
is there an alternate train route for N-S travel while the bridge is being repaired?
also the inspiration for building sky scrapers came from train bridges |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 5:53:33 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: is there an alternate train route for N-S travel while the bridge is being repaired? also the inspiration for building sky scrapers came from train bridges Not for a quick Phoenix-Tucson route. If the map I'm looking at is accurate, which is questionable, than I would guess most stuff going in/out of state is from Cali. Looks like everything from Cali, going to Phoenix or Tucson, will need to be routed through Yuma. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 6:06:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, this incident. The separation between the the detached rear of the train and the derailed head of the train seems significant. I was wondering if there was some reason the crew might have made a cut there to do some industry work or set out a bad order or something. Thats a northbound train and the bridge collapse is on the south end of the bridge. Do you have any information that says there is a derailment at any point other than the bridge? The head end did not derail AFAIK but I'll ask. it's been abut 6 weeks since I've been over it and barring an unusual situation no work is done at that point, there is a s/o track just south but typically only used for work equipment and rarely for that. A local DID have a rail flop over on the bridge due to rotten ties a month ago...I'm sure managment only allowed a bandaid fix. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 6:09:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: is there an alternate train route for N-S travel while the bridge is being repaired? also the inspiration for building sky scrapers came from train bridges ehhh...Tucson to Phx, no. BN services PHX from the north. The only other UP route would be from Wellton Az east into Phx. They used to run AMTRAK and freight that way but quit running it as a main in the mid 90's after a bad AMTRAK derailment |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 6:40:49 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, right around the continent from me too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DAMN! I live 2500 miles from there! Yep, right around the continent from me too. I can practically see the smoke from New Hampshire. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 7:21:49 PM EDT
[#48]
 Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 7:22:34 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: was she interviewed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow. The gal that was riding her bike under the bridge when the train derailed. Yikes. was she interviewed? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:04:20 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The air dumps and the train goes into emergency and stops, and then some unlucky bastard has to get out and hoof it along the length of the train to find out what happened. I gotcha....makes sense w airlines, read other posts above saying same. Thanks |
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