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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:12:42 AM EDT
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3nyears ago I bought a 3 bed 1 bath rental property for 54k. No way I'd buy a tiny house for 40k, lol. What a ripoff! Its a shed with plumbing and electric. About ten years ago I bought a 12x16 storage barn kit for 2k and built my own loft in it, ran electric for a small workshop and finished the interior, plus added a wood stove, shelves, window ac and a full length counter on one side and I was less than 4k all in. You could build a badass tiny home and probably get enough solar to run it for under 30k easy.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:41:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I would rather build a shed with an apartment inside I've seen that done before and the owner was pleased. He would walk out of his front door and into his shop. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:43:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: So I'm thinking of buying a tiny home (1 bed, 1 bath, 400 SF) with plumbing, AC, insulation, finished inside and out, brand new, with front porch and kitchen and shower stall. This is not one of those tiny homes on a trailer or wheels. It will be on a pier and beam foundation. Total cost, around $40K. I got an empty lot in the city worth about $30K. But you can set it on your own land wherever. Good idea for a cheap homestead? The house is only about 14' x 26' Would you go for something like this? Obviously not for a family, but single person or couple. https://i.ibb.co/jDXQjNy/Screenshot-2.png https://i.ibb.co/BwZdtww/Screenshot-5.png https://i.ibb.co/1sw78Z1/Screenshot-6.png https://i.ibb.co/pKrCZsX/Screenshot-7.png A small pre-fab home could work, but I think the right decision isn't based on "could I live in that much space?", but instead "is this the best investment I can make, given what I have"?. You already have the land, that's good. Is it paid for? Are you located in an area with rising home values? Are builders available in your area, or can you do some of the work yourself? You are going to spend more for a site-built house, and you may build more house than YOU need, but unless you plan to live there forever, the hope is that you can sell it later for a profit. If you spend $40k "cash", yes you won't have a mortgage, but it may not appreciate like a "real" house would. The example you posted looks nice for "builder grade", but I would be concerned with having enough insulation to be comfortable and keep your utility costs down, the quality of the materials, and so on. If that $40k turns into a pile of crap in 10 years, are you still coming out ahead in comparison to your original alternatives? I don't view housing as either pure expense, or a pure investment. It depends entirely on the market in which you plan to live. If I was forced to live in Seattle where a house was unobtainable, then I would never leverage myself for an insane amount, I would live in someone's back yard in a tiny house and try to minimize the expense. In other more rational markets though, it may make more sense to build a proper house. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:52:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are other better designs that will give you more interior volume, a more useful loft, or scale into a bigger structure. ETA, that's a prefab, or build on site? If you're gonna build it on site, build something better with the materials. Links? Only site I really like for building plans is countryplans.com But I like the idea of scaling into a bigger structure over time. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 4:01:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m into tiny houses and I want one eventually but the best part is high end fixtures. I can do Italian marble countertops since I’d only need 6 square feet of it. LOL JFC you gots that 6' sq italian Marble but nowhere indoors to store anything. Nor do you own an appreciating asset. "But dat Carrera doh!" 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 4:02:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually really like some of shipping containers homes. I’ve yet to see a tiny home I’d consider livable. Of course the wife and I have a 4k sf house and 40x40 shop.  The OPs Shed is better than what they are offeringb here for a shipping container house: https://www.relevantbuildings.com/structure-type/all/ |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 4:25:29 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I often lament the cost of living around here. Then I see shit like this and think maybe it's not so bad. Quote HistoryQuoted: I often lament the cost of living around here. Then I see shit like this and think maybe it's not so bad. I've never seen roads in populated areas anywhere near that bad in Oregon. Apparently the state spends its road money better. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:31:26 AM EDT
[#8]
Absolutely would but I already live in a 750sqft house that is mostly unused.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:36:15 AM EDT
[#9]
Build back better and into poverty
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:40:19 AM EDT
[#10]
That would be fucking perfect on a 20+ acres steak in West Texas.
I could die a happy happy man in that |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 6:58:03 AM EDT
[#11]
The inside of that looks amazing honestly.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:11:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: So I'm thinking of buying a tiny home (1 bed, 1 bath, 400 SF) with plumbing, AC, insulation, finished inside and out, brand new, with front porch and kitchen and shower stall. This is not one of those tiny homes on a trailer or wheels. It will be on a pier and beam foundation. Total cost, around $40K. I got an empty lot in the city worth about $30K. But you can set it on your own land wherever. Good idea for a cheap homestead? The house is only about 14' x 26' Would you go for something like this? Obviously not for a family, but single person or couple. https://i.ibb.co/jDXQjNy/Screenshot-2.png https://i.ibb.co/BwZdtww/Screenshot-5.png https://i.ibb.co/1sw78Z1/Screenshot-6.png https://i.ibb.co/pKrCZsX/Screenshot-7.png It looks nice, of course I would want a large garage to put everything in. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:14:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Becareful of pier foundations... It's not that they aren't suitable, but insurance can be a huge issue if they will cover it at all. Still haven't found any for mine yet... May be different in your area. Why do insurance companies not like pier foundations? I have plans to build a 20’ x 24’ house on concrete piers this year if things work out. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:28:24 AM EDT
[#14]
I'm seriously considering this. Currently live in a huge house. Last heating bill got me to thinking. I mapped out how much of the house is actually useful for living and it's not much. The rest of the space is redundant or just more walking between areas I'm actually using.
A huge percentage of the space is just storing crap I don't really need. Another big chunk of it is stuff that could go into a garage or be done outside if it wasn't so goddamn cold and snowing. 1000sq feet sounds about right for the family. Shed for storage and a garage for the cars. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:34:19 AM EDT
[#15]
A house that small would get old real quick, no way I could live in that
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:38:15 AM EDT
[#16]
That would be amazing as a second home/cabin on property.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:46:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL JFC you gots that 6' sq italian Marble but nowhere indoors to store anything. Nor do you own an appreciating asset. "But dat Carrera doh!" Can’t do it now because I have young kids and stockpile diapers and shit. But really as a single dude how much shit do you need? Do a bidet so not much TP use. Keep 3 dish towels and don’t do paper towels. I already only wear like 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants, I could get rid of a ton of what I have. Get a shed for tools and some storage and that’s about it |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:49:39 AM EDT
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Since I'm on the older side, I am not a fan of lofts or stairs. I can
see me falling out of the loft especially since I have to get up a couple of times each night to pee. My knees also would complain. No more stairs for me. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:26:28 AM EDT
[#19]
Put on a lot in CA and poof, it's a $300,000 house.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:39:34 AM EDT
[#20]
My mom has a spare lot next to her house that I could put two, maybe three of those on and for much less than 40K a unit. Getting approval from the town might be tricky unless I greased some palms for a variance.....But wait, if I said I was going to rent them out to "recent Hispanic immigrants" I should be in like Flint....I'm sure there's some federal program I could take advantage of to defer the costs even more.
Maybe even install a small coin machine laundry and make money on that end too. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:24:54 AM EDT
[#21]
You could even put one of those up as a bunkhouse for guests on your main property, to give them a little more privacy.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:26:18 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would fo. Make it 100% off grid too. this is my thinking would be a good vacation off grid cabin in the woods setup |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:28:34 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy has anger issues....and a bad potty mouth. so whats his username here? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:29:29 AM EDT
[#24]
i knew op was a socially awkward virgin
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:39:19 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the same money, I don't know why I would want to if I could just have the thing delivered, with a warranty. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:57:04 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3nyears ago I bought a 3 bed 1 bath rental property for 54k. No way I'd buy a tiny house for 40k, lol. What a ripoff! Its a shed with plumbing and electric. About ten years ago I bought a 12x16 storage barn kit for 2k and built my own loft in it, ran electric for a small workshop and finished the interior, plus added a wood stove, shelves, window ac and a full length counter on one side and I was less than 4k all in. You could build a badass tiny home and probably get enough solar to run it for under 30k easy. Quite a few folks don't want 3 bedrooms. I'm happy with one. I have no use for more than that. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:22:54 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, I was unclear. I meant that you can spend $40K on a tiny house or for the same money purchase land, tools, and supplies; then build a larger, better built cabin. Since you built it, you can easily repair or expand as you go. I just looked at a wooded two acres, driveway and homesite already cleared, 3 bedroom septic already installed, a concrete pad for a camper (or base for an outbuilding), and a new metal workshop. $15K. That would leave $25K for cabin build. Depends where you are. Around me in Georgia I can't touch a piece of land for near what you're talking about paying. I've been looking 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:44:29 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Get a pre-fab metal building or a shipping container. Shipping containers would look ghetto, but they are cheap, tough, and easily secured. Just dont make the mistake of buying a metal building to live in. Friend of mine did that. Cost him $8000 to have the inside spray-foamed (he's in a very cold climate), then he basically had to build a house within a house as he framed the inside and built a second story inside. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:41:25 AM EDT
[#29]
I like the idea of smaller easier to take care of especially as you get older. I don't agree with a new mobile home I had rather have a smaller space with 2x6 walls and more insulation. I would also shop people to stick build onsite if going the shed route. My personal retirement plan is a 24 foot all aluminum cargo trailer converted to tiny house. Setup to be off grid and ideally have a couple small pieces of land to move it around according to the seasons.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:48:44 AM EDT
[#30]
400 sf is fucking small.
Would be cool for a hunting cabin though. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:06:32 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quite a few folks don't want 3 bedrooms. I'm happy with one. I have no use for more than that. her daughter, hubby and grandkids want to stay over. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:09:01 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if could afford it (comma) this would be my forever house: https://www.houseplans.net/uploads/plans/24058/elevations/51210-1200.jpg?v=0 Looks neat! |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:14:23 PM EDT
[#33]
... where you gonna store guns & ammo?
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:14:51 PM EDT
[#34]
The Amish build log cabin trailers for about $10k. You'd have to do your own interior, wiring and plumbing.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:25:56 PM EDT
[#35]
It's actually looks pretty nice inside. Having to climb that ladder into the loft to sleep every night would get old pretty quick though.
Seems like it would have a very limited market if you're planning to sell or rent it. It would make a nice weekend cabin for one or two people. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:51:38 PM EDT
[#36]
Hell I'm thinking of buying several of these and making a community of them on some land, to prepare for the out-of-state immigrants if Texas secedes.
I'll sell them for $175K each. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 1:28:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can’t do it now because I have young kids and stockpile diapers and shit. But really as a single dude how much shit do you need? Do a bidet so not much TP use. Keep 3 dish towels and don’t do paper towels. I already only wear like 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants, I could get rid of a ton of what I have. Get a shed for tools and some storage and that’s about it Precisely. Once I got out of the "stuff" mindset life became a hell of a lot easier. All of my belongings aside from my car fit in a 10X15 storage unit with a lot of room to spare. And I have a bunch of hobbies. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 1:30:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Precisely. Once I got out of the "stuff" mindset life became a hell of a lot easier. All of my belongings aside from my car fit in a 10X15 storage unit with a lot of room to spare. And I have a bunch of hobbies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can’t do it now because I have young kids and stockpile diapers and shit. But really as a single dude how much shit do you need? Do a bidet so not much TP use. Keep 3 dish towels and don’t do paper towels. I already only wear like 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants, I could get rid of a ton of what I have. Get a shed for tools and some storage and that’s about it Precisely. Once I got out of the "stuff" mindset life became a hell of a lot easier. All of my belongings aside from my car fit in a 10X15 storage unit with a lot of room to spare. And I have a bunch of hobbies. Minimalist living is liberating. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 1:58:14 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Minimalist living is liberating. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can’t do it now because I have young kids and stockpile diapers and shit. But really as a single dude how much shit do you need? Do a bidet so not much TP use. Keep 3 dish towels and don’t do paper towels. I already only wear like 5 shirts and 2 pairs of pants, I could get rid of a ton of what I have. Get a shed for tools and some storage and that’s about it Precisely. Once I got out of the "stuff" mindset life became a hell of a lot easier. All of my belongings aside from my car fit in a 10X15 storage unit with a lot of room to spare. And I have a bunch of hobbies. Minimalist living is liberating. Absolutely. The place I just bought it going to look pretty bare due to my lack of furniture
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Posted: 1/27/2021 2:46:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell I'm thinking of buying several of these and making a community of them on some land, to prepare for the out-of-state immigrants if Texas secedes. I'll sell them for $175K each. Hey now. Wife wants to move back to Texas beginning of next year. How about cutting a fellow arfcomer a better deal. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:02:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Minimalist living is liberating. If/when I end up moving somewhere else, I'm going to get rid of a TON of shit. Were I to do something like the house I'm now imagining, I'll have a big size garage and some storage capacity, but I don't want to fill it up. I joke from time to time that the best thing that could happen to me is my house burning down. I'd get tons of money from the insurance, rebuild a better house and then only replace the things I absolutely need. I'd definitely stick to minimalism. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:10:29 PM EDT
[#42]
I'd rather build a shop with a fire-rated demising wall and apartment on one end.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:13:21 PM EDT
[#43]
If I ever get some land to mess around with that is exactly what I'd put on it.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:22:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a spot for a stacked W/D. The key is to have a separate structure just for storage - shipping container, metal bldg, shed, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a spot for a stacked W/D. The key is to have a separate structure just for storage - shipping container, metal bldg, shed, etc. Quoted: There is a spot for a stacked W/D. The key is to have a separate structure just for storage - shipping container, metal bldg, shed, etc. In that case, a shed with living quarters is way more bang for the buck, and one less structure to maintain. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:27:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Its cool but no room for reloading bench. 400 sq ft - wow, I think I'd go stir crazy. I have 2200 Sq ft and I still have to gather up shit periodically and take it to the recycle dump just to maintain my sanity.
Maybe we'll catch you on an episode of "Hoarders" one night.... |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:32:21 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: Quite a few folks don't want 3 bedrooms. I'm happy with one. I have no use for more than that. Quoted: Just dont make the mistake of buying a metal building to live in. Friend of mine did that. Cost him $8000 to have the inside spray-foamed (he's in a very cold climate), then he basically had to build a house within a house as he framed the inside and built a second story inside. I haven't done much construction work, but I could competently frame and finish an existing structure. I could not build a house from the ground up. I personally wouldn't want to live in a shouse (shed house), but it is a great option and can be very cost effective. There is a thread here about it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:33:04 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Build back better and into poverty lol yeah, this is going to be the future for a lot of people once biden's "climate czar" starts running amok (ie john kerry). |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:40:50 PM EDT
[#48]
If I were a single guy I would do something like that.
Except it would be inside of a 10,000 Sq foot shop. Up on a mezzanine, with a fire pole that goes to the first level. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 5:47:34 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I were a single guy I would do something like that. Except it would be inside of a 10,000 Sq foot shop. Up on a mezzanine, with a fire pole that goes to the first level. *stripper pole |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:27:33 PM EDT
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