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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:28:58 PM EDT
I recently came across a Krugerrand and to me it looks off a little. It's the 1979 and next to a 1983 for comparison.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:31:42 PM EDT
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Brag thread
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:34:08 PM EDT
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How do they compare on a scale?
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:35:24 PM EDT
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The 1979 coin just looks like it needs to be cleaned.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:37:50 PM EDT
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1979s color completly looks what I normaly see BUT a lot depends on the kind of camera/lighting
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:37:58 PM EDT
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Possibly exposed to mercury?
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:38:21 PM EDT
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I'd have the 79 tested. It looks very wrong.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:38:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:40:19 PM EDT
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Look at the missing detail on the springbok.
I'd be very suspicious. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:40:28 PM EDT
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Weigh it. It should be 33.93grams
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:41:33 PM EDT
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Could be the light but looks rough and off-color, not coppery enough, I'd rather have a different one even if real. Have it tested for sure, pawn shops will do it if you don't have a local coin guy
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:43:29 PM EDT
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Lots of details look different.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:43:32 PM EDT
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Details are missing.. its most likely a fake.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:43:36 PM EDT
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Aside from color, there's some serious differences in the minting.
Whether or not this means anything, I don't know. I know bubkus about coins. But if you take a look at where the hind legs cross, you'll see a glaring difference. Another more subtle difference is Johnny Faceonacoin's chin. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:47:51 PM EDT
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That 79 looks to light to be fine gold! Also the striking image is total shit.
That looks like more 14k gold color. See if it sticks to a magnet. You may want to go to a local pawn shop and have test it. Just say you’re interested in borrowing some money on it. Go to a large pawn shop that will have the right equipment to test gold coins and bars. . If they pass on it, you will know it is fake. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:48:49 PM EDT
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Looks fucky for sure - where did you get it?
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Posted: 3/4/2022 12:50:54 PM EDT
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Do they weigh the same?
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:03:22 PM EDT
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The landscape below the springbok, and the lifted hind leg of the animal is missing much detail beyond what a worn die would exhibit. At one troy ounce it should weigh in at 31.103 grams, or 480 grains. Go to a coin website like APMEX and pull up photos of a 1979 Rand. Much different than your photo.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:08:29 PM EDT
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Study how the tail on the '79 is different. Could be phake.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That 79 looks to light to be fine gold! Also the striking image is total shit. That looks like more 14k gold color. See if it sticks to a magnet. You may want to go to a local pawn shop and have test it. Just say you’re interested in borrowing some money on it. Go to a large pawn shop that will have the right equipment to test gold coins and bars. . If they pass on it, you will know it is fake. Could be gold plated tungsten. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:12:10 PM EDT
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The antlers are very different.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:14:11 PM EDT
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My Dad had one of those on a gold chain.
"Dad.....take that off....you look silly." |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:17:54 PM EDT
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It should weigh 33.93g you can tell quickly by the weight if it is off.
I have three Krugerrands buried in a lock box in my safe the suspect one looks very suspect of being a fake. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The antlers are very different. The entire face of the animal is very different, but dies do wear out...are they capable of reproducing the exact same configuration from older coins? Maybe I missed it, is the '79 a known genuine coin? This is the problem with gold as storage of value in the apocalypse. With the Chinese (who else?) known to be flooding the market with these things, are you handing over a cow for one? I wouldn't. How liquid will they actually be when it takes specialized knowledge and equipment to verify the content, and the closest assessment facility is hell-and-gone? |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:27:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire face of the animal is very different, but dies do wear out...are they capable of reproducing the exact same configuration from older coins? Maybe I missed it, is the '79 a known genuine coin? This is the problem with gold as storage of value in the apocalypse. With the Chinese (who else?) known to be flooding the market with these things, are you handing over a cow for one? I wouldn't. How liquid will they actually be when it takes specialized knowledge and equipment to verify the content, and the closest assessment facility is hell-and-gone? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The antlers are very different. The entire face of the animal is very different, but dies do wear out...are they capable of reproducing the exact same configuration from older coins? Maybe I missed it, is the '79 a known genuine coin? This is the problem with gold as storage of value in the apocalypse. With the Chinese (who else?) known to be flooding the market with these things, are you handing over a cow for one? I wouldn't. How liquid will they actually be when it takes specialized knowledge and equipment to verify the content, and the closest assessment facility is hell-and-gone? I am no expert but dies do wear. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:35:36 PM EDT
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What do you mean by “came across”. Did you buy it?
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be gold plated tungsten. This, made in china. Years ago they got caught bootlegging gold plated tungsten bars. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:40:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am no expert but dies do wear. From what I've read, a wearing-die just produces a less "crisp" strike, and muddies some of the detail. That Krug has very different caricature... No expert, but that damn sure doesn't look like die wear. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:44:07 PM EDT
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Can’t tell from the pic but does the ‘79 color look right? It should NOT look like Gold jewelry for example.
Someone tried to sell me a fake Krugerrand. I knew in an instant from the true Gold color it was a fake. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:44:49 PM EDT
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Great, now I have to go dig out my krugerrand and check it.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:44:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I've read, a wearing-die just produces a less "crisp" strike, and muddies some of the detail. That Krug has very different caricature... No expert, but that damn sure doesn't look like die wear. Yep. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:45:24 PM EDT
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The legs on the Springbok looks the worst. Also, the rim is irregular on that side.
Eta- I just spent the last 5 minutes looking at pictures online. Interestingly, none of the known fakes had that detail where the leg fades out as it crosses the other. The color, and the lack of detail on the flank of the springbok, and the ground, certainly indicates a fake though. Provident always has them for less than 5% over Spot, free shipping, no tax. Why would anyone buy one on the street? |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:46:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can’t tell from the pic but does the ‘79 color look right? It should NOT look like Gold jewelry for example. Some one tried to sell me a fake Krugerrand. I knew in an instant from the true Gold color it was a fake. Yeah Krugerrand have a higher copper content. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:50:30 PM EDT
[#33]
I have always thought those are cool.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:56:28 PM EDT
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I'll go check. I'll have to sort through a bag of them. I keep it in the glovebox of my 2nd Lamborghini. It'll take me like 15 minutes to walk to the garage from my hot tub in the living room though. So gimme a sec.
#0.01%erProblemsAmIRight? 
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:58:53 PM EDT
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Stuff like this is why I invested in a set of Fisch detectors. Checks diameter, thickness, and weight. Those catch the majority of fakes. https://www.thefisch.com
The other check is sound. Gold coins have a unique sound that the tungsten clones do not. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:59:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah Krugerrand have a higher copper content. WTF? For real? I guess they have to alloy the gold with something because pure gold is so soft, but how much would less than 1% change the overall color? I bought a fair amount of Baht gold in Thailand in the late 80s, and looked at even more in some of Bangkok's upscale jewelers. It had a buttery soft color, shiny, but very distinct from 14 or 18 karat jewelry. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 2:07:25 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire face of the animal is very different, but dies do wear out...are they capable of reproducing the exact same configuration from older coins? Maybe I missed it, is the '79 a known genuine coin? This is the problem with gold as storage of value in the apocalypse. With the Chinese (who else?) known to be flooding the market with these things, are you handing over a cow for one? I wouldn't. How liquid will they actually be when it takes specialized knowledge and equipment to verify the content, and the closest assessment facility is hell-and-gone? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The antlers are very different. The entire face of the animal is very different, but dies do wear out...are they capable of reproducing the exact same configuration from older coins? Maybe I missed it, is the '79 a known genuine coin? This is the problem with gold as storage of value in the apocalypse. With the Chinese (who else?) known to be flooding the market with these things, are you handing over a cow for one? I wouldn't. How liquid will they actually be when it takes specialized knowledge and equipment to verify the content, and the closest assessment facility is hell-and-gone? Somehow, people all throughout human history, were able to verify purity, and this was with every Nation intentionally debasing their coins from time to time. Yes, people are getting stoopider and spooopider, but the successful vendors who Have stuff to trade or sell, are generally smarter than average. For a small purchase, they just collect shavings on a scale. People are far more resourceful than you could possibly imagine. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 2:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF? For real? I guess they have to alloy the gold with something because pure gold is so soft, but how much would less than 1% change the overall color? I bought a fair amount of Baht gold in Thailand in the late 80s, and looked at even more in some of Bangkok's upscale jewelers. It had a buttery soft color, shiny, but very distinct from 14 or 18 karat jewelry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah Krugerrand have a higher copper content. WTF? For real? I guess they have to alloy the gold with something because pure gold is so soft, but how much would less than 1% change the overall color? I bought a fair amount of Baht gold in Thailand in the late 80s, and looked at even more in some of Bangkok's upscale jewelers. It had a buttery soft color, shiny, but very distinct from 14 or 18 karat jewelry. The Krugerrand does in fact contain 1 troy ounce of gold, so the coin weighs more than ~.99 gold coins. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 2:31:05 PM EDT
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There’s a ton of fakes on aliexpress. I wouldn’t buy anything I couldn’t test on a sigma machine
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Posted: 3/4/2022 2:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought everyone knew that the Krugerrand wasn't 100% gold. It's 22-karat, or about 92%. The Krugerrand does in fact contain 1 troy ounce of gold, so the coin weighs more than ~.99 gold coins. By "everyone" I assume you mean gold bugs. I highly doubt anyone outside that realm has a clue, including me, and I actually do some light reading on the subject from time to time. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 2:52:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brag thread Neither of those look like mine. All 500 of mine have that bronze tint to them |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 3:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By "everyone" I assume you mean gold bugs. I highly doubt anyone outside that realm has a clue, including me, and I actually do some light reading on the subject from time to time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought everyone knew that the Krugerrand wasn't 100% gold. It's 22-karat, or about 92%. The Krugerrand does in fact contain 1 troy ounce of gold, so the coin weighs more than ~.99 gold coins. By "everyone" I assume you mean gold bugs. I highly doubt anyone outside that realm has a clue, including me, and I actually do some light reading on the subject from time to time. Krugerrand on Wiki |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 3:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By "everyone" I assume you mean gold bugs. I highly doubt anyone outside that realm has a clue, including me, and I actually do some light reading on the subject from time to time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought everyone knew that the Krugerrand wasn't 100% gold. It's 22-karat, or about 92%. The Krugerrand does in fact contain 1 troy ounce of gold, so the coin weighs more than ~.99 gold coins. By "everyone" I assume you mean gold bugs. I highly doubt anyone outside that realm has a clue, including me, and I actually do some light reading on the subject from time to time. “Crown Gold”. Look it up on Wikki. It was used in nearly all gold coinage, and was everyday common knowledge up until very recently. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 3:44:58 PM EDT
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OP, did you Buy it? From where?
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Posted: 3/4/2022 4:14:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll go check. I'll have to sort through a bag of them. I keep it in the glovebox of my 2nd Lamborghini. It'll take me like 15 minutes to walk to the garage from my hot tub in the living room though. So gimme a sec. #0.01%erProblemsAmIRight? THIS is the way |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 4:17:57 PM EDT
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The color is right, but the lighting makes it look too yellow. Dimensionally, it is correct. I don't have a scale to check it. It's the details in the coin that concern me. Could it have been polished? It's too washed out to be a worn die I think.
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Posted: 3/4/2022 4:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The color is right, but the lighting makes it look too yellow. Dimensionally, it is correct. I don't have a scale to check it. It's the details in the coin that concern me. Could it have been polished? It's too washed out to be a worn die I think. If it's plated tungsten the weight will be almost identical. There are assaying devices that should be able to tell the difference without destructive testing. |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 4:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I've read, a wearing-die just produces a less "crisp" strike, and muddies some of the detail. That Krug has very different caricature... No expert, but that damn sure doesn't look like die wear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am no expert but dies do wear. From what I've read, a wearing-die just produces a less "crisp" strike, and muddies some of the detail. That Krug has very different caricature... No expert, but that damn sure doesn't look like die wear. Agreed |
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Posted: 3/4/2022 4:30:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2022 5:21:22 PM EDT
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Dude on the back must have gotten a facelift and nose job.
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