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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:25:24 AM EDT
The Vz. 61 Skorpion is easily my favorite Czech gun. It’s always had such a cool factor to it.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:26:07 AM EDT
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This is your least tarded thread. Feel good about being right OP.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:28:05 AM EDT
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I agree! I've built three of them and they're all very fun.
I should probably build more while they're still relatively cheap and parts/mags are still available. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:28:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: The Vz. 61 Skorpion is easily my favorite Czech gun. It’s always had such a cool factor to it. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/YO0ej2398ZGqBec47wBEhF1aO7w=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/DXWHKPJVINF7NIU7RVVWAWTTPY.jpg  Attached FileCool but not the coolest. You may like it, but their CZ 25 is a better design, Bren 805 806 CZ 75 etc. Even the Bren gun..... |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:31:20 AM EDT
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Very funny little toys, especially with a brace, too bad .32acp is pricy. I wish .380 or 9x18 surplus kits were available.
I did snag one of the .22lr conversion kits that were for sale a week or two ago, I'll build that into a dedicated pistol. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:35:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree! I've built three of them and they're all very fun. I should probably build more while they're still relatively cheap and parts/mags are still available. @Third_Rail I never even thought to look for parts kits but they do look fairly cheap. What did you use for a semi auto receiver? Build as pistols or SBR any? |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:36:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very funny little toys, especially with a brace, too bad .32acp is pricy. I wish .380 or 9x18 surplus kits were available. I did snag one of the .22lr conversion kits that were for sale a week or two ago, I'll build that into a dedicated pistol. Kharn The worst part about the other calibers is the mag cost. If you have decent tools available the caliber change is easy. Turn and chamber a new barrel and install it - other than minor work to the bolt and extractor it's identical. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:37:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Third_Rail I never even thought to look for parts kits but they do look fairly cheap. What did you use for a semi auto receiver? Build as pistols or SBR any? I buy the Czechpoint receivers from Jerry at Recon Ordnance. "Build as pistols or SBR any?" Some of each! |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:37:41 AM EDT
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I’ve been able to fire the full auto ones during joint training and I will admit that they are fun.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:37:49 AM EDT
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we should have fought Russia over Czechoslovakia at the end of ww2 they were worth it.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:38:26 AM EDT
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Could you guys post up some parts links? Maybe a build tutorial?
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:39:33 AM EDT
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Very cool guns.
Def interested in hearing from those that have built them from kits...where did you source a receiver? |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:39:39 AM EDT
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I’m starting to think that OP is gym007 or his twin brother.
At least OP started a cool thread this time. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:39:52 AM EDT
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Sure! Here's a huge discussion in the archives.
Vz.61 Skorpion - Ongoing General Discussion ETA: Build process below.  VZ61 SKORPION build from parts kit (1of3) Barrel + trigger guard  VZ61 SKORPION build from parts kit (2of3) magazine & bolt catches + rear sight  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:40:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is your least tarded thread. Feel good about being right OP. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:41:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I buy the Czechpoint receivers from Jerry at Recon Ordnance. "Build as pistols or SBR any?" Some of each! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Third_Rail I never even thought to look for parts kits but they do look fairly cheap. What did you use for a semi auto receiver? Build as pistols or SBR any? I buy the Czechpoint receivers from Jerry at Recon Ordnance. "Build as pistols or SBR any?" Some of each! I had come across their website, but when the Vz61 page had "Last update Feb 2018" I was a little put off Fond du Lac is right around the corner though...Ever dealt with Royal Tiger imports? Looks like they have kits in stock. I guess I don't really need to pay my car insurance that badly... |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:42:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had come across their website, but when the Vz61 page had "Last update Feb 2018" I was a little put off Fond du Lac is right around the corner though...Ever dealt with Royal Tiger imports? Looks like they have kits in stock. I guess I don't really need to pay my car insurance that badly... I've bought from RTI for years - but I genuinely like Jerry. I tend to buy from him if he has what I need - regardless of the fact he doesn't update his website much. Primarily he sells on GunBroker and over the phone. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:42:59 AM EDT
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klobb
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:43:34 AM EDT
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Skorpions are just a cool gun regardless.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:51:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is your least tarded thread. Feel good about being right OP. I concur. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:51:42 AM EDT
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vz.59 is way cooler
 UK vz.59 Czech Universal Machine Gun: Shooting |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:52:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: klobb Just need a Cougar Magnum to go with it. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:55:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHonestly the only part of that design I love are the push-through belts. I sold my Vz.59 (semi auto from MarColMar) but I kept almost all of the belts and cans. I'll eventually make some hybrid design that uses them. With the Vz.61 I love the whole design! |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:57:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst part about the other calibers is the mag cost. If you have decent tools available the caliber change is easy. Turn and chamber a new barrel and install it - other than minor work to the bolt and extractor it's identical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Very funny little toys, especially with a brace, too bad .32acp is pricy. I wish .380 or 9x18 surplus kits were available. I did snag one of the .22lr conversion kits that were for sale a week or two ago, I'll build that into a dedicated pistol. Kharn The worst part about the other calibers is the mag cost. If you have decent tools available the caliber change is easy. Turn and chamber a new barrel and install it - other than minor work to the bolt and extractor it's identical. I'm surprised no one is making replacement barrels for them, given how it's just pinned in and the kits imported now have no barrel. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:57:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very cool guns. Def interested in hearing from those that have built them from kits...where did you source a receiver? 3d printer. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:58:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised no one is making replacement barrels for them, given how it's just pinned in and the kits imported now have no barrel. Kharn Most of the imported kits DO have barrels. That applies only to military firearms and most Vz61s were in police hands. 
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Posted: 8/7/2020 11:59:58 AM EDT
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They are ugly, unwieldy, and fire a substandard caliber.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:01:23 PM EDT
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I'll accept this. One could make a good case for the CZ-75, but there's no doubt the vz. 61 is a fine firearm and one of their best.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:01:46 PM EDT
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Leave the gun take the kolache.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:03:40 PM EDT
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When I worked at TGI, we had 2 post May Czech UK59 mg's. Fun as hell to fire. Easy to maintain. The 16" barrels for them were a blast.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:08:32 PM EDT
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The ZB vz 26 is the prettiest:
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:12:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could you guys post up some parts links? Maybe a build tutorial? It’s been a while, but I remember my kit being super easy to assemble. Sort of like putting together a puzzle without any tools. The gun is totally impractical but one of my favorites to shoot. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:14:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is your least tarded thread. Feel good about being right OP. That FPNI thing... |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:53:10 PM EDT
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Shot one with a fun switch at Battlefield Vegas, more fun than an MP5, yes I said that.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:59:27 PM EDT
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The VZ61 is cool.
The CZ 75 is better. But this...  The Model SS41 - A Czech Bullpup Anti-Tank Rifle for the SS Is the coolest gun the Czechs ever made. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:00:52 PM EDT
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In the post-JMB era, the Czechs have done the lion's share of the heavy lifting involved with small arms development. (The Stoner AR15 system being the one big exception).
VZ.61 is a fantastic little design. The mechanical RoF reduction system is brilliant. The chambering sucks, but was as good as something in that size envelope was going to do back then. The designers understood what a PDE was supposed to be... as close as you can to a pistol to carry, as close as you can to a rifle in effectiveness. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:06:59 PM EDT
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Agreed OP. I'd take a Skorpion over a Scorpion Evo abomination any day of the week.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:07:51 PM EDT
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@Fat_McNasty
Post up some pics... |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:19:45 PM EDT
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Can you have the pistol with the folding stock like that, or does it have to be registered as a SBR I assume?
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:19:52 PM EDT
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Would be the perfect platform to modify for a 5.7
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:21:25 PM EDT
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I favor semtex. Its used for cancelling Czechs.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:23:02 PM EDT
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I have to admit I would like to have one
Just not super high on my list |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:24:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to admit I would like to have one Just not super high on my list I had a local in Bosnia try to sell my one. I've never wanted to know a crooked Customs agent more in my life. 
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:27:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a local in Bosnia try to sell my one. I've never wanted to know a crooked Customs agent more in my life. Lol I bet
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:28:44 PM EDT
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Fail.
VZ52/57 light machinegun --drum or mag-fed mini UK59 chambered in 7.62x45 Would have eaten the RPD alive |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:30:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: The Vz. 61 Skorpion is easily my favorite Czech gun. It’s always had such a cool factor to it. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/YO0ej2398ZGqBec47wBEhF1aO7w=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/DXWHKPJVINF7NIU7RVVWAWTTPY.jpg Uhhh, that’s not a Laugo Alien Gun..... Thread Fail. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:33:19 PM EDT
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One has to wonder why it was made in .32 acp however.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:34:18 PM EDT
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 Shooting the Czech vz61 Skorpion: Machine Pistol or PDW? Ian said he loved it and it was one his favorite guns to shoot. I was surprised as I had always thought it was kind of a toy: not very powerful, too big to be a pistol, too small to be a good SMG. But I have never even seen one in person. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:38:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One has to wonder why it was made in .32 acp however. IIRC, the requirements for the gun included very small dimensions and low weight. Nothing around at the time that was any more powerful could have been made to fit and/or safely operate. Also remember that .32ACP (7.65 Browning) was considered a perfectly acceptable service sidearm cartridge in Europe right on up through the 1980s. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:38:13 PM EDT
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When I was in high school, I was obsessed with getting one. I moved to the U.S. and eventually these came to market. I've SBR'd 3 of them. No recoil. Interesting ejection straight up. Very fun gun. I have two parts kits and semi auto receivers for when the registry opens up. Yeah, I know, pipe dream.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:40:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, the requirements for the gun included very small dimensions and low weight. Nothing around at the time that was any more powerful could have been made to fit and/or safely operate. Also remember that .32ACP (7.65 Browning) was considered a perfectly acceptable service sidearm cartridge in Europe right on up through the 1980s. Also, 850rpm solves a lot of problems. Quantity has a quality all its own. |
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