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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Nothing sad about that. If I were an F1 driver or (relevant) a GT3 cup driver I would get a PDK. But I'm not. There's a certain joy to driving, your favorite turn, your favorite shift that's eliminated through automation. My lazy shift example earlier leads to my point. Of course during boring driving manual is a pain, and also during track days it's inferior. What you guys are missing is the middle, which is the entire joy of driving. I'm stuck on a stupid main road and mildly inconvenienced by a manual transmission, but then I turn off that road and it's me and the car. There's no timer running, there's no longer traffic. Just me and the car. I love me and the car. Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Surf: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By Surf: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: You guys and your manual transmission fetish.  If you wanted an automatic transmission vehicle, you should have bought a Buick. I didn’t want an automatic transmission vehicle - that’s precisely why I got a Porsche with a dual-clutch transmission  .... with the option of computer control when am too lazy to shift in rush hour and boring driving.Sad part is that the PDK transmission vehicle is faster. Nothing sad about that. If I were an F1 driver or (relevant) a GT3 cup driver I would get a PDK. But I'm not. There's a certain joy to driving, your favorite turn, your favorite shift that's eliminated through automation. My lazy shift example earlier leads to my point. Of course during boring driving manual is a pain, and also during track days it's inferior. What you guys are missing is the middle, which is the entire joy of driving. I'm stuck on a stupid main road and mildly inconvenienced by a manual transmission, but then I turn off that road and it's me and the car. There's no timer running, there's no longer traffic. Just me and the car. I love me and the car. I would argue I am not missing anything. The only thing you are missing from that experience is the hassle of having to stomp on another pedal. With the PDK, you can still manually change the gears exactly when you want - the PDK just does the “clutch” work for you. I went to campus yesterday, and I spent most of the drive there and back shifting myself. It still had all the engagement and fun of timing the gear changes and watching/feeling the revs before shifting - except I didn’t have to use two feet. To me, it’s sort of like gear shifters on road bicycles. NOBODY misses the old-style shift levers on the tube, where you had to take your hands off the handlebars and wiggle the lever into position to get the right gear. The modern shifters that you can operate without taking your hands off the handlebars (and the brakes) and that shift one gear at a time, precisely - are much better. You are still doing the same thing - shifting gears up and down - but improved technology has just allowed us to do it faster and more precisely. Don’t get me wrong. I get that nostalgia is a powerful force, and people sometimes like to do something that is more inefficient and slow, just because they enjoy it - in the same way that hipsters like to listen to vinyl, and foodies like to make their own ice cream. That’s absolutely fine, and I am not one to criticize someone else’s preferences. I enjoyed shifting the gears when I was going to work and back yesterday ... but it’s really nice to also allow the computer to do the shifting for me when I am just in boring traffic, or just don’t feel like dealing with it because I am in an important phone call, or distracted by something else. On the track (especially as a newbie) it was really nice to let the computer do the work for me, and be able to keep both hands on the wheel and just concentrate on the lines and on braking, and not have to worry about shifting. I am sure someone more experienced like D_J uses the paddles and shifts manually on the track, but I don’t trust myself to do that yet.  |
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Speaking of Porsches, this thread made me realize I need to put the summer tires/wheels on the Panamera. It only takes about an hour to actually do, but it’s going to take me at least three hours to procrastinate, avoid, and complain about it.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Speaking of Porsches, this thread made me realize I need to put the summer tires/wheels on the Panamera. It only takes about an hour to actually do, but it’s going to take me at least three hours to procrastinate, avoid, and complain about it. You are also guaranteed to summon a snowstorm as soon as you swap them. |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I would argue I am not missing anything. The only thing you are missing from that experience is the hassle of having to stomp on another pedal. With the PDK, you can still manually change the gears exactly when you want - the PDK just does the “clutch” work for you. I went to campus yesterday, and I spent most of the drive there and back shifting myself. It still had all the engagement and fun of timing the gear changes and watching/feeling the revs before shifting - except I didn’t have to use two feet. To me, it’s sort of like gear shifters on road bicycles. NOBODY misses the old-style shift levers on the tube, where you had to take your hands off the handlebars and wiggle the lever into position to get the right gear. The modern shifters that you can operate without taking your hands off the handlebars (and the brakes) and that shift one gear at a time, precisely - are much better. You are still doing the same thing - shifting gears up and down - but improved technology has just allowed us to do it faster and more precisely. Don’t get me wrong. I get that nostalgia is a powerful force, and people sometimes like to do something that is more inefficient and slow, just because they enjoy it - in the same way that hipsters like to listen to vinyl, and foodies like to make their own ice cream. That’s absolutely fine, and I am not one to criticize someone else’s preferences. I enjoyed shifting the gears when I was going to work and back yesterday ... but it’s really nice to also allow the computer to do the shifting for me when I am just in boring traffic, or just don’t feel like dealing with it because I am in an important phone call, or distracted by something else. On the track (especially as a newbie) it was really nice to let the computer do the work for me, and be able to keep both hands on the wheel and just concentrate on the lines and on braking, and not have to worry about shifting. I am sure someone more experienced like D_J uses the paddles and shifts manually on the track, but I don’t trust myself to do that yet. Rebuttal...  Manuals Matter: Porsche 911 GT3 - Carfection (4K) |
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Honestly, I don’t see that as a rebuttal at all ... I see it as a confirmation of what I am saying.  Preference for the manual is all about feeling and emotion, and has nothing to do with performance ... and that’s 100% fine, if that’s what someone prefers. |
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That kinda nails it. I've never done "heel toe" downshifting. Always use the left side of the wide part of my foot on the brake, and right side on the gas. That's how that guy was doing it. You become one with the car. It's kind of necessary in a low power car like a 912. Best torque is about 2,300 RPM wide on the tach. That said, if I win the lottery, I might get a paddle shifter..... |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I would argue I am not missing anything. The only thing you are missing from that experience is the hassle of having to stomp on another pedal. With the PDK, you can still manually change the gears exactly when you want - the PDK just does the “clutch” work for you. I went to campus yesterday, and I spent most of the drive there and back shifting myself. It still had all the engagement and fun of timing the gear changes and watching/feeling the revs before shifting - except I didn’t have to use two feet. To me, it’s sort of like gear shifters on road bicycles. NOBODY misses the old-style shift levers on the tube, where you had to take your hands off the handlebars and wiggle the lever into position to get the right gear. The modern shifters that you can operate without taking your hands off the handlebars (and the brakes) and that shift one gear at a time, precisely - are much better. You are still doing the same thing - shifting gears up and down - but improved technology has just allowed us to do it faster and more precisely. Don’t get me wrong. I get that nostalgia is a powerful force, and people sometimes like to do something that is more inefficient and slow, just because they enjoy it - in the same way that hipsters like to listen to vinyl, and foodies like to make their own ice cream. That’s absolutely fine, and I am not one to criticize someone else’s preferences. I enjoyed shifting the gears when I was going to work and back yesterday ... but it’s really nice to also allow the computer to do the shifting for me when I am just in boring traffic, or just don’t feel like dealing with it because I am in an important phone call, or distracted by something else. On the track (especially as a newbie) it was really nice to let the computer do the work for me, and be able to keep both hands on the wheel and just concentrate on the lines and on braking, and not have to worry about shifting. I am sure someone more experienced like D_J uses the paddles and shifts manually on the track, but I don’t trust myself to do that yet. The newer cars are so fast I think PDK is the way to go and to me is a clutch-less manual, calling it an automatic sells it way short. It’s fun to use the stick to bump through the gears like a 90’s DTM race car, I love that they included it instead of just paddles. However, the third pedal offers another avenue of engagement with the car you can’t replicate with the PDK. Unless you left foot brake 25% of your appendages are getting left out. You described stepping on the clutch pedal as a hassle but said timing the gear changes was engaging and fun. I’d argue using the clutch pedal is just adding another level of fun. A perfectly matched down shift or being able to use all three pedals at once and not upset the car before a tight turn are the things that put a smile on my face. I guess it comes down to how involved you want to be and how you are going to use the car. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: The newer cars are so fast I think PDK is the way to go and to me is a clutch-less manual, calling it an automatic sells it way short. It’s fun to use the stick to bump through the gears like a 90’s DTM race car, I love that they included it instead of just paddles. However, the third pedal offers another avenue of engagement with the car you can’t replicate with the PDK. Unless you left foot brake 25% of your appendages are getting left out. You described stepping on the clutch pedal as a hassle but said timing the gear changes was engaging and fun. I’d argue using the clutch pedal is just adding another level of fun. A perfectly matched down shift or being able to use all three pedals at once and not upset the car before a tight turn are the things that put a smile on my face. I guess it comes down to how involved you want to be and how you are going to use the car. Yep. And if feeling and emotion isn't the goal, what's the point of a 911. |
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Originally Posted By evo7011: What year for the GTS, was it just made 2 years? Originally Posted By evo7011: Originally Posted By D_J: I’d prefer a NA 997.2 GTS. They’re rare as hens teeth, but if you find one it will hold 80-90% of its value for at least 5 years. What year for the GTS, was it just made 2 years? 2011 - 2013, although 2011 was only a half year really. I took delivery of the first one in the US on 12/31/10 and only because Hennessy for a separate truck to have some cars shipped up for NYE delivery. |
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Originally Posted By zukguy: I love seeing the evolution of the car, and that they've stuck with the 911 for so long. Heck my car is only 3 years younger than I am, and I certainly haven't evolved at all lol. Yeah the turbo came out in 75, and was a real mean bastard to drive if you weren't paying attention. It bit a lot of guys in the ass and put them into the ditch or a tree ass first. Originally Posted By zukguy: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: That's the beauty of the 911 evolution, your 78 is air cooled and much smaller. (I know you know this, just bullshitting Porsche) It's really neat how it's the same car but different. That's another thing I love about the 911. I mean shit some guys don't know there was not always a Turbo. I thought it was 76 but just looked it up and internet said 1975.And others yet have seen the bastardazation that word.  I love seeing the evolution of the car, and that they've stuck with the 911 for so long. Heck my car is only 3 years younger than I am, and I certainly haven't evolved at all lol. Yeah the turbo came out in 75, and was a real mean bastard to drive if you weren't paying attention. It bit a lot of guys in the ass and put them into the ditch or a tree ass first. It wasn’t called the Widowmaker for nothing.
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Originally Posted By zukguy: Nice car man, I like the color. I've not driven a 944, but have kicked around buying a 944 turbo for a while. They used to be a hell of a deal performance wise, but people are figuring out that they're quick and reliable little cars, and the value has gone up recently. Originally Posted By zukguy: Originally Posted By 72Harley: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/101388/62E32A0F-0425-4DE9-96AA-D86B286266A2_jpe-1890522.JPG I’ll play, she was a dirty girl in this pic. Nice car man, I like the color. I've not driven a 944, but have kicked around buying a 944 turbo for a while. They used to be a hell of a deal performance wise, but people are figuring out that they're quick and reliable little cars, and the value has gone up recently. I always liked the 944 turbo (had it on my wall with the 911 and the Countach), but Sixteen Candles sealed the deal. 
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I am sure someone more experienced like D_J uses the paddles and shifts manually on the track, but I don’t trust myself to do that yet. You might be surprised, but I don’t. Leaving it in auto means I don’t have to think about whether I need two downshifts or three going into a brake zone, or wondering if I should upshift mid corner or wait. I spend more time on my line, my grip, my braking, the other cars and the corner workers. Shifting is one less thing to worry about. It’s not perfect, of course. Turn 7 at RA is risky to go WOT right at the apex so I run about 80% throttle until I’ve completely unwound the wheel at track out, and that’s right when it’s ready to upshift so it shifts too early. But overall, auto works best for me. The flip side is I also find the paddles completely pointless on the road unless I’m driving at 75-80% in the mountains and I’m managing 2-3rd gear. I stay i manual there, but I don’t see the point around town as there’s no feedback. I might as well be clicking a mouse. I’m with Whiskers - I want to be shifting, not telling the computer to shift. Don’t get me wrong - the audio pop and kick in the back of a PDK-sport upshift never gets old. But I still mostly leave it in auto/sport mode. Tapping the paddles manually usually means I shift too early or too late, but the computer gets it right every time. I’m just glad they make something that works for everyone.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Speaking of Porsches, this thread made me realize I need to put the summer tires/wheels on the Panamera. It only takes about an hour to actually do, but it’s going to take me at least three hours to procrastinate, avoid, and complain about it. I’m too lazy to swap wheels and tires, so you got me beat. I have to live far enough south to not really have a “winter” very often.
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Originally Posted By D_J: You might be surprised, but I don’t. Leaving it in auto means I don’t have to think about whether I need two downshifts or three going into a brake zone, or wondering if I should upshift mid corner or wait. I spend more time on my line, my grip, my braking, the other cars and the corner workers. Shifting is one less thing to worry about. It’s not perfect, of course. Turn 7 at RA is risky to go WOT right at the apex so I run about 80% throttle until I’ve completely unwound the wheel at track out, and that’s right when it’s ready to upshift so it shifts too early. But overall, auto works best for me. The flip side is I also find the paddles completely pointless on the road unless I’m driving at 75-80% in the mountains and I’m managing 2-3rd gear. I stay i manual there, but I don’t see the point around town as there’s no feedback. I might as well be clicking a mouse. I’m with Whiskers - I want to be shifting, not telling the computer to shift. Don’t get me wrong - the audio pop and kick in the back of a PDK-sport upshift never gets old. But I still mostly leave it in auto/sport mode. Tapping the paddles manually usually means I shift too early or too late, but the computer gets it right every time. I’m just glad they make something that works for everyone. Agreed. Personally, I just cannot get used to the paddles.  When I shift manually, I use the stick every time. It’s cool that the paddles are there, for more hard-core drivers, but I still prefer the stick. |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Agreed. Personally, I just cannot get used to the paddles. When I shift manually, I use the stick every time. It’s cool that the paddles are there, for more hard-core drivers, but I still prefer the stick. Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By D_J: You might be surprised, but I don’t. Leaving it in auto means I don’t have to think about whether I need two downshifts or three going into a brake zone, or wondering if I should upshift mid corner or wait. I spend more time on my line, my grip, my braking, the other cars and the corner workers. Shifting is one less thing to worry about. It’s not perfect, of course. Turn 7 at RA is risky to go WOT right at the apex so I run about 80% throttle until I’ve completely unwound the wheel at track out, and that’s right when it’s ready to upshift so it shifts too early. But overall, auto works best for me. The flip side is I also find the paddles completely pointless on the road unless I’m driving at 75-80% in the mountains and I’m managing 2-3rd gear. I stay i manual there, but I don’t see the point around town as there’s no feedback. I might as well be clicking a mouse. I’m with Whiskers - I want to be shifting, not telling the computer to shift. Don’t get me wrong - the audio pop and kick in the back of a PDK-sport upshift never gets old. But I still mostly leave it in auto/sport mode. Tapping the paddles manually usually means I shift too early or too late, but the computer gets it right every time. I’m just glad they make something that works for everyone. Agreed. Personally, I just cannot get used to the paddles. When I shift manually, I use the stick every time. It’s cool that the paddles are there, for more hard-core drivers, but I still prefer the stick. Did I mention day 4 when I thought I’d beached it on a curb in a tight parking lot at night because I couldn’t get it into reverse? I’d bumped the “stick” into manual mode. 
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Originally Posted By Mblades: The newer cars are so fast I think PDK is the way to go and to me is a clutch-less manual, calling it an automatic sells it way short. It’s fun to use the stick to bump through the gears like a 90’s DTM race car, I love that they included it instead of just paddles. However, the third pedal offers another avenue of engagement with the car you can’t replicate with the PDK. Unless you left foot brake 25% of your appendages are getting left out. You described stepping on the clutch pedal as a hassle but said timing the gear changes was engaging and fun. I’d argue using the clutch pedal is just adding another level of fun. A perfectly matched down shift or being able to use all three pedals at once and not upset the car before a tight turn are the things that put a smile on my face. I guess it comes down to how involved you want to be and how you are going to use the car. Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I would argue I am not missing anything. The only thing you are missing from that experience is the hassle of having to stomp on another pedal. With the PDK, you can still manually change the gears exactly when you want - the PDK just does the “clutch” work for you. I went to campus yesterday, and I spent most of the drive there and back shifting myself. It still had all the engagement and fun of timing the gear changes and watching/feeling the revs before shifting - except I didn’t have to use two feet. To me, it’s sort of like gear shifters on road bicycles. NOBODY misses the old-style shift levers on the tube, where you had to take your hands off the handlebars and wiggle the lever into position to get the right gear. The modern shifters that you can operate without taking your hands off the handlebars (and the brakes) and that shift one gear at a time, precisely - are much better. You are still doing the same thing - shifting gears up and down - but improved technology has just allowed us to do it faster and more precisely. Don’t get me wrong. I get that nostalgia is a powerful force, and people sometimes like to do something that is more inefficient and slow, just because they enjoy it - in the same way that hipsters like to listen to vinyl, and foodies like to make their own ice cream. That’s absolutely fine, and I am not one to criticize someone else’s preferences. I enjoyed shifting the gears when I was going to work and back yesterday ... but it’s really nice to also allow the computer to do the shifting for me when I am just in boring traffic, or just don’t feel like dealing with it because I am in an important phone call, or distracted by something else. On the track (especially as a newbie) it was really nice to let the computer do the work for me, and be able to keep both hands on the wheel and just concentrate on the lines and on braking, and not have to worry about shifting. I am sure someone more experienced like D_J uses the paddles and shifts manually on the track, but I don’t trust myself to do that yet. The newer cars are so fast I think PDK is the way to go and to me is a clutch-less manual, calling it an automatic sells it way short. It’s fun to use the stick to bump through the gears like a 90’s DTM race car, I love that they included it instead of just paddles. However, the third pedal offers another avenue of engagement with the car you can’t replicate with the PDK. Unless you left foot brake 25% of your appendages are getting left out. You described stepping on the clutch pedal as a hassle but said timing the gear changes was engaging and fun. I’d argue using the clutch pedal is just adding another level of fun. A perfectly matched down shift or being able to use all three pedals at once and not upset the car before a tight turn are the things that put a smile on my face. I guess it comes down to how involved you want to be and how you are going to use the car. what I like and enjoy about a MT is I can rip the Gears all the way to Redline it's just a lot of fun for me and the Roads out here are just so much fun |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I would argue I am not missing anything. The only thing you are missing from that experience is the hassle of having to stomp on another pedal. With the PDK, you can still manually change the gears exactly when you want - the PDK just does the “clutch” work for you. I went to campus yesterday, and I spent most of the drive there and back shifting myself. It still had all the engagement and fun of timing the gear changes and watching/feeling the revs before shifting - except I didn’t have to use two feet. To me, it’s sort of like gear shifters on road bicycles. NOBODY misses the old-style shift levers on the tube, where you had to take your hands off the handlebars and wiggle the lever into position to get the right gear. The modern shifters that you can operate without taking your hands off the handlebars (and the brakes) and that shift one gear at a time, precisely - are much better. You are still doing the same thing - shifting gears up and down - but improved technology has just allowed us to do it faster and more precisely. Don’t get me wrong. I get that nostalgia is a powerful force, and people sometimes like to do something that is more inefficient and slow, just because they enjoy it - in the same way that hipsters like to listen to vinyl, and foodies like to make their own ice cream. That’s absolutely fine, and I am not one to criticize someone else’s preferences. I enjoyed shifting the gears when I was going to work and back yesterday ... but it’s really nice to also allow the computer to do the shifting for me when I am just in boring traffic, or just don’t feel like dealing with it because I am in an important phone call, or distracted by something else. On the track (especially as a newbie) it was really nice to let the computer do the work for me, and be able to keep both hands on the wheel and just concentrate on the lines and on braking, and not have to worry about shifting. I am sure someone more experienced like D_J uses the paddles and shifts manually on the track, but I don’t trust myself to do that yet. Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Honestly, I don’t see that as a rebuttal at all ... I see it as a confirmation of what I am saying. Preference for the manual is all about feeling and emotion, and has nothing to do with performance ... and that’s 100% fine, if that’s what someone prefers. To be fair, never said it was about performance, in fact I conceded the PDK was superior. To emotion, that's one of the largest reasons to buy the car!  A sports car should stir emotion within you, it should make you smile when you get in it. We could all just get Ariel Atoms for track day otherwise. Don't be so cold, even the damn brutally efficient Germans reversed course on your argument.
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I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Nope GT3 RS or GT2 RS its not even close......... both of which have PDK-S and thankfully don't come in manual........just like Cup Cars. Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:  GT3 is the pinnacle of the 911, full stop, period. Nope GT3 RS or GT2 RS its not even close......... both of which have PDK-S and thankfully don't come in manual........just like Cup Cars. GT3RS has a cage, thus it's a track ready car. The regular GT3 is the perfect blend of "I can fool myself and the wife that this is a daily driver" while also being a stud at the track. GT2RS is a beautiful, capable and incredible machine (and I want one) but it's not naturally aspirated. |
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I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: My man. Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By NorthBridge: Yep. And if feeling and emotion isn't the goal, what's the point of a 911. My man. The only way I'll drive manual in the future is if I'm drunk in the passenger seat and the driver is a half-crazed woman is running from... something? Wait. I think that is the present. Cunt. |
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Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: PDK is the better transmission. Manuals can suck it. Autos have been better for decades. Once EVs take over... we'll be like: "hey guys you remember transmissions? And our cars were slow as whore?" 
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I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
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As an European, all my life I’ve been driving all sorts of manuals (except when I was in the US), I could use some change of pace I think I’ll have to consider the PDK on my first Porsche, as manuals on the used market are pretty much unicorns up here. |
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Originally Posted By RX-78-2: As an European, all my life I’ve been driving all sorts of manuals (except when I was in the US), I could use some change of pace I think I’ll have to consider the PDK on my first Porsche, as manuals on the used market are pretty much unicorns up here. 
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Originally Posted By GataGunner:
I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/caf62c98120080a7cd8711bfc6a1da93-1890905.jpg Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By RX-78-2: As an European, all my life I’ve been driving all sorts of manuals (except when I was in the US), I could use some change of pace I think I’ll have to consider the PDK on my first Porsche, as manuals on the used market are pretty much unicorns up here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/caf62c98120080a7cd8711bfc6a1da93-1890905.jpg 
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Originally Posted By Fantomas: what I like and enjoy about a MT is I can rip the Gears all the way to Redline You can still do that with the PDK when you are shifting manually. The best way to think about the PDK is that it’s an improved manual gearbox that you can shift yourself (without the hassle of an old-school clutch pedal), OR you can allow the sophisticated computer to shift for you. In some ways, the whole “manual vs. automatic” debate doesn’t really apply to the PDK. |
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: To be fair, never said it was about performance, in fact I conceded the PDK was superior. To emotion, that's one of the largest reasons to buy the car! A sports car should stir emotion within you, it should make you smile when you get in it. We could all just get Ariel Atoms for track day otherwise. Don't be so cold, even the damn brutally efficient Germans reversed course on your argument.Then we are in the same page. My only beef is with people who say things like “manuals are better than the automatic/PDK” and “manual is superior because it gives you more control” and stuff like that. (It’s like members of the Suppressor Cult who claim that “the action is louder than the shot on my suppressed 300 BLK” and other delusional stuff like that ).I have ZERO problem with people who prefer the manual ... I just want them to admit that it’s purely because of how it makes them feel, and not because of some technical advantage. I just being pedantic .... as usual
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Originally Posted By D_J: Preach. grind em till you find em...  at least the newbies at truck driving school. 911 and impala |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I have ZERO problem with people who prefer the manual ... I just want them to admit that it’s purely because of how it makes them feel, and not because of some technical advantage. That’s what my entire “rebuttal” was based on. Anyone that would say that lap times are better with a manual would be taking out of their ass. The PDK in my Macan Turbo is really good. Great even. Still have more fun rowing the gears and pushing a clutch.
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Gonna try and get this POS running. Blows a ton of white smoke when running. I’m sure the heads gotta come off at minimum. Gonna need a lot of cosmetic TLC as well... Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: You can still do that with the PDK when you are shifting manually. The best way to think about the PDK is that it’s an improved manual gearbox that you can shift yourself (without the hassle of an old-school clutch pedal), OR you can allow the sophisticated computer to shift for you. In some ways, the whole “manual vs. automatic” debate doesn’t really apply to the PDK. Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By Fantomas: what I like and enjoy about a MT is I can rip the Gears all the way to Redline You can still do that with the PDK when you are shifting manually. The best way to think about the PDK is that it’s an improved manual gearbox that you can shift yourself (without the hassle of an old-school clutch pedal), OR you can allow the sophisticated computer to shift for you. In some ways, the whole “manual vs. automatic” debate doesn’t really apply to the PDK. learned something new - I had no idea you can do that with a PDK |
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Originally Posted By RandomGuy1911A1: Marginally better 718 Spyder pics. Still shitty, but the Midlands show is coming up and I'll get better ones then. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/232454/20210403_144822-1891516.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/232454/20210403_144846-1891517.jpg The Spyder is such a sexy car! 
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: The Spyder is such a sexy car! Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By RandomGuy1911A1: Marginally better 718 Spyder pics. Still shitty, but the Midlands show is coming up and I'll get better ones then. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/232454/20210403_144822-1891516.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/232454/20210403_144846-1891517.jpg The Spyder is such a sexy car! Not gonna lie, I miss my 911 interior. I have to crawl into this thing
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Back to the summer tires/wheels for my wife: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/767C89FB-7AC6-490C-9AD9-7F95669916B9-1891546.jpg I love using two sets of tires it makes a difference. I did that with all my cars but do not do it any longer once I bought a truck. |
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I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
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Oh now you make this thread after I sold mine Gone but not forgotten. I plan to go 991 Targa4S when I get back from Japan, hopefully Yellow. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I love using two sets of tires it makes a difference. I did that with all my cars but do not do it any longer once I bought a truck. Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Back to the summer tires/wheels for my wife: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/767C89FB-7AC6-490C-9AD9-7F95669916B9-1891546.jpg I love using two sets of tires it makes a difference. I did that with all my cars but do not do it any longer once I bought a truck. I don’t have two sets of wheels/tires for my 911, because I don’t have the tool to remove the wheels ... and I am cheap. ... also, did I mention I am moving to Hawaii?
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Originally Posted By OneRanger: My 997 TT https://i.imgur.com/DOUSmq6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NxyQcnG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/krpa7O9.jpg Gorgeous. |
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I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
I'm stacked pretty deep in 22 too, but I'm like a dragon and want to accumulate more of what other people covet.
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Originally Posted By Fantomas: learned something new - I had no idea you can do that with a PDK Tell you what else you can do with a sequential gearbox. My two vehicles both have a clutch-less manual transmission, and joy of joys they're configured exactly opposite of each other. The T4R downshifts when you pull the shifter toward you, the BMW upshifts, and vice versa. Forget which one you're in, and you can push the BMW over redline almost instantly. Been there, done that. Give me a clutch and a patterned shifter every time. You can still miss a shift, but it's a whole lot harder to do. |
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Originally Posted By OneRanger: My 997 TT https://i.imgur.com/DOUSmq6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NxyQcnG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/krpa7O9.jpg beautiful Car |
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Originally Posted By Osprey61: Tell you what else you can do with a sequential gearbox. My two vehicles both have a clutch-less manual transmission, and joy of joys they're configured exactly opposite of each other. The T4R downshifts when you pull the shifter toward you, the BMW upshifts, and vice versa. Forget which one you're in, and you can push the BMW over redline almost instantly. Been there, done that. Give me a clutch and a patterned shifter every time. You can still miss a shift, but it's a whole lot harder to do. That shouldn’t be possible. In the PDK, at least, you can request a downshift but it won’t perform it if the revs are too high. It’s impossible to go over redline. |
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