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Posted: 8/29/2020 1:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I seem to recall a post by someone mentioning a clip of conversation where Rosenbaum said words to the effect of "I'm gonna have that rifle" in reference to Kyle. Does anyone else recall that? Yes. It's when he is telling them to shoot him. He says either "I WILL take that rifle" or "I'm gonna have that rifle." |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 1:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI love how the description doesn't match the images. "He stumbled, then took a seated position and began firing". No, he fell, was drop kicked, bashed with a skateboard and an attempt was made to grab his weapon. Amazing.. Don't believe your eyes, believe our words... |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:08:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On his Instagram page he said the kid was special needs? That was the first I've heard of this, anything since? On a good note, the reporter for the Daily Caller is giving up some good details. Looks like there were definitely shots fired while Kyle was running and baldy was chasing him, right before baldy bit the dust. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/17187/group_jpg-1566894.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/17187/group_jpg-1566895.JPG I'm surprised nobody noticed skinny jeans tucked in cowboy boots guy. I recall another thread where he was prominent for being seen from coast to coast. Any info on him? ETA Also, somebody had mentioned, not sure where and I'm not trying to start shit, that there were armed people there, that he was with, that weren't necessarily patriots or on the good guys side. Like the jeans in cowboy boots guy, I could be mistaken, but I thought it was mentioned he wasn't necessarily on the good guys team. AGAIN, just throwing these questions out there, not in any way trying to say what Kyle did wasn't right. Just trying to ID the actors, because seeing the same people over and over has got to make you wonder what is really going on. And that that is somehow nefarious. It's like the notion that people opposed to riots & looting might also frequent numerous events is totally impossible. He's been seen several places ...not starting trouble. To me, that's what matters. @barnbwt @giacutter @JET55 @cm I stumbled on his instagram, he provided answers on his views. https://www.instagram.com/luke_and_some_guns/?hl=en On his Instagram page he said the kid was special needs? That was the first I've heard of this, anything since? On a good note, the reporter for the Daily Caller is giving up some good details. Looks like there were definitely shots fired while Kyle was running and baldy was chasing him, right before baldy bit the dust. Yeah he said Kyle was in Special Ed. I think the kids in Special Ed. usually have some sort of learning disability? |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLove this comment...  jimmy e 1 day ago The Amish hit my town last night. We woke up with three new barns, repaired fences and all of our windows were washed kingdele01 1 day ago Lol ...... Perfect commic relief for this craziness. Oh how it would be nice if we could all just become like the Amish! Paul Abresch 1 day ago jimmy...that's the best comment I've read yet. What a wonderful, inciteful comment. I enjoyed it immensely. Thank You...PaulA jimmy e 1 day ago @Paul Abresch Comment? I wasn't joking. Tonight they're coming back to mop the main street. LOL ?:? 1 day ago 1 day ago God bless the Amish. I want to donate food to the Amish. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI wonder if she saw the blood on his chest and didn't want to get her hands dirty, so thought she could just do the compressions a little lower and be just as good. 
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:22:02 PM EDT
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Armed medic guy actually live-streamed himself talking to Kyle as he was running down the street. Kyle told him he was trying to get to the police
https://wmgchan.com/static/graige.mp4 @Austrian |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:25:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:26:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alex Baine and his girlfriend (red hair in the bun) have a PornHub account. A quick glance at one of the videos (for research purposes only) provided easy identification match of the tattoos on Alex Baine's left arm which can be seen in the videos where he's holster indexing a pistol at the Ultimate station https://i.imgur.com/9rxXaow.png https://i.imgur.com/kvwkxMN.png https://i.imgur.com/vjsCLcX.png I would be profoundly surprised if this guy is legally allowed to own firearms. Roofer+ "pornstar" +ink + in the midst of anarchy and chaos waving a gun around = 99.5% chance dude is prohibited. Also: Ewwww |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:35:45 PM EDT
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Thanks for your investigative work on this critical turn of events.
All around a good, well sourced, deep dive into Kyle's misfortune of becoming the next poster boy of "white supreme militia vigilantism" by the corrupt activists in corporate media. It's our duty to fight back the domestic #ActiveMeasures campaign they are deploying to tailor the flow of open-source information in the run up to the 2020 election. I appreciate what you've done here, especially your astute legal analysis, which I think will prove to be spot-on... Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum, Judge |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:40:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armed medic guy actually live-streamed himself talking to Kyle as he was running down the street. Kyle told him he was trying to get to the police https://wmgchan.com/static/graige.mp4 I thought I had seen all of the video available. This is the first time I have seen this. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:48:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well thats what happens when all your "medics" are just felons with guns. They attacked the actual EMT there and he blasted them. Now they get some lady who learned everything she knows about CPR from watching Grey's anatomy. https://iili.io/dPtoQI.md.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Well thats what happens when all your "medics" are just felons with guns. They attacked the actual EMT there and he blasted them. Now they get some lady who learned everything she knows about CPR from watching Grey's anatomy. https://iili.io/dPtoQI.md.png She may not know what she is doing but she tried. She has no idea what happened or who is in the wrong but she saw someone in dire need of help, and with no one else stepping in, she did. The guy was probable dead and never coming back at this point, but she tried. With shots echoing all over the city, SHE tried to help. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armed medic guy actually live-streamed himself talking to Kyle as he was running down the street. Kyle told him he was trying to get to the police https://wmgchan.com/static/graige.mp4 Wow. That is amazing. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:49:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armed medic guy actually live-streamed himself talking to Kyle as he was running down the street. Kyle told him he was trying to get to the police https://wmgchan.com/static/graige.mp4 Excellent find. Thank you! There is no way that the prosecution or Lefty can claim that lefty was attempting to "stop an active shooter." Lefty's own video has documented that he knew Kyle was going to the police. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:51:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have located a video that may show Kyle fleeing the Ultimate gas station on the corner. The person is on screen for just a few seconds, but I believe that may be him. This video is poor quality and at times it is quite granular. At this time I haven't located a better quality video containing this same footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1NuJhqwvIU&bpctr=1598664500 At 4:42:17, to the right of the sign on the corner, you can someone, possibly Kyle, moving from the background and into view, he is running, he then exits the view to the right. So far this is the only video I have found where he is seen leaving the gas station. putting here in case someone has video equipment that may be able to clean up the video a bit to see if it is him. I think your right about that being him. The video is from a channel that follows multiple live streams and the audio you hear at the time you mentioned is from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-G-FX3Nys?t=14180 At 3:52:53 in the above video rioters start smashing cars, at 3:56:28 we hear a man yell "hey" towards the car lot and see a man in a striped shirt walking towards it. If the gas station video is synced to this one using the audio then the man at the gas station presumed to be Kyle starts running a couple seconds before striped shirt yells hey. At 3:58:47 we see Kyle running on the sidewalk, he is in the background behind another group walking and is only in frame and in focus for a few frames, but is visable with rifle in hand. Google maps puts the walking distance between the gas station and car lot at .2 miles. Two minutes twenty seconds goes by between the man running from the gas station and Kyle appearing in the second video near the car lot which is right on time for a 5-6mph jog.  Attached File Attached File Attached FileAt 3:58:55 we see two more people dressed in black start to run towards the car lot, one of these is likely McGinniss. At 3:59:00 we see Kyle again and then see Rosenbaum chasing him. Beyond this point has been covered extensively already so I'll stop here. I think it's safe to say that it is Kyle in the gas station video. I also want to point out there is a 13 second gap in when we first see Kyle on video near the car lot and then see him again being chased by Rosenbaum. That gap isn't consistent with the pace we see before and after. What happened during that time? Hopefully the Mcginniss video is released soon and can fill in this gap for us. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:56:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Largely, no. Cant unbelt and ditch a holster fast enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do Holsters not exist in their world? The fact that they are carrying them in hand reminds me of a line from a song "He wore his gun outside his pants For all the honest world to feel" Please don't take that as a condemnation of open carry, just a statement about this event and their motives. Cant unbelt and ditch a holster fast enough. I hadn't thought of that... Good Point. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:00:09 PM EDT
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Great post. Tagged for later reading and follow-up...thanks for the work doing this!
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:01:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armed medic guy actually live-streamed himself talking to Kyle as he was running down the street. Kyle told him he was trying to get to the police https://wmgchan.com/static/graige.mp4 @Austrian Nice |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:07:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It's when he is telling them to shoot him. He says either "I WILL take that rifle" or "I'm gonna have that rifle." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I seem to recall a post by someone mentioning a clip of conversation where Rosenbaum said words to the effect of "I'm gonna have that rifle" in reference to Kyle. Does anyone else recall that? Yes. It's when he is telling them to shoot him. He says either "I WILL take that rifle" or "I'm gonna have that rifle." Maybe this video at 26:35: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LojfGWZwHg0 |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it possible the Militia Act can run over state laws, as it states, if in an militia the ages are 17-45? This would be difficult, but, it is a Federal Law and the supremacy clause would trump state. Militia Act has zero relevance to anything here. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:15:49 PM EDT
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I've never seen so many old & new accounts with post #1 than in this thread.
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen so many old & new accounts with post #1 than in this thread. 
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:21:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen so many old & new accounts with post #1 than in this thread. Just as came to your post, I thought the EXACT same thing. 
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:45:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen so many old & new accounts with post #1 than in this thread. About the new accounts, anyone know if this thread is being posted, spread around on social media platforms like Reddit, Twitter, etc? Remember all the new 1'st time posters that came here from Reddit when the 'BadSelfEater' hoax was happening? The more people that are aware of it the better. I'd gladly do it, but have no idea of the best way to go about it as I have no idea how Reddit or Twitter works. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 3:51:13 PM EDT
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We're posting everything we find here on our Twitter account including a link and updates as we find them. Sadly, we've been banned on Instagram and Facebook for a while now, so that's our only outlet.
We're also tagging many prominent social media accounts, some of whom we know personally, others who we *believe* read our tweets. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:00:05 PM EDT
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 Attached File Attached FileTime is an estimate, based on police report time Kyle called friend and the time between shots on video. Video of first guy on the ground has cell phone time of 11:49pm, seems close. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. That is amazing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Armed medic guy actually live-streamed himself talking to Kyle as he was running down the street. Kyle told him he was trying to get to the police https://wmgchan.com/static/graige.mp4 Wow. That is amazing. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alex Baine and his girlfriend (red hair in the bun) have a PornHub account. A quick glance at one of the videos (for research purposes only) provided easy identification match of the tattoos on Alex Baine's left arm which can be seen in the videos where he's holster indexing a pistol at the Ultimate station Honestly, it's like something out of The Big Lebowski. The deeper I look the crazier it gets. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:28:54 PM EDT
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First post ever here and had to register to give @Austrian a big thumbs up for one of the best posts I have read on any forum. Excellent break down.
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:35:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:36:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of I am on the jury that is irrelevant. The marxist commies trying to destroy American should not be there. Kyle comes out of this a new American hero. Wait until there is a 15 foot tall statute of him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am on a satellite connection, so it'll be a while before I can download the videos. I've done the quick read of the words, and wanted to give a big thumbs-up for the thorough analysis. I've been telling people that I would need to find some gun sites that would dive into the deep end of the pool, and that's what you've done. I will make a preliminary comment, subject to change. To me, as a licensed carrier, there are two main issues as I understand them right now. 1. Should he have been there to begin with? My answer is a definite "No," and I don't expect my opinion to change about that. Legalities aside, common sense tells me "too young." Of I am on the jury that is irrelevant. The marxist commies trying to destroy American should not be there. Kyle comes out of this a new American hero. Wait until there is a 15 foot tall statute of him. We should all paint his name on the streets across the country. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 4:59:43 PM EDT
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Donut Operator has footage of Kyle apparently putting out a literal dumpster fire earlier. May have contributed to their wanting to attack him?
@Austrian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts43EskooaA  Kyle Rittenhouse Update (I WAS WRONG) |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:11:57 PM EDT
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We've been asked on Twitter a few times to respond to rumors that Kyle had a criminal record prior to the incident. We recall seeing something about that posted by leftists a couple of days ago - does anyone have information to either confirm or debunk that allegation? It shouldn't matter given what happened, obviously, but in the interest of gathering all relevant data that may be used to discredit him we need to make sure we have all the facts.
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:13:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We've been asked on Twitter a few times to respond to rumors that Kyle had a criminal record prior to the incident. We recall seeing something about that posted by leftists a couple of days ago - does anyone have information to either confirm or debunk that allegation? It shouldn't matter given what happened, obviously, but in the interest of gathering all relevant data that may be used to discredit him we need to make sure we have all the facts. They are referring to a different Kyle, R. born in 1989. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:14:17 PM EDT
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Best thread on the net! Kudos to you all!
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:30:08 PM EDT
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I'm limited to 2K characters per post. Sorry...this will be a multi-part post.
1-6 Kudos to Austrian for the first-rate info processing and analysis! While I do understand that it's tempting to narrow the scope of the analysis to the specific domain that's most interesting to the group, I think the focus on this shooting, and thus this analysis, has gotten too narrow. Just as this analysis has helped to squash the tendency of everyone to go off in 300 different directions as far as it goes, I'm hoping that expanding the scope a few notches will do the same. Going to 30,000 feet now: What is happening in many of our cities? People are in the streets. Why are people in the streets? Because they're being treated differently by police and in some cases by their cities/towns. What are the challenges they're trying to bring to light? Imbalanced policing, imbalanced prosecution and imprisonment, lack of opportunities, sub-standard education, lack of jobs, financial disparity, redlining, are just a start. Why are they marching in their own streets? Because that's where they live and that's where they must be in order to get the attention of the politicians that manage their lives. Their gathering and marching, and yes, even violating curfew or blocking the streets they pay for is protected by their 1A rights. In order to be active citizens of our country they MUST stand up and they MUST march and they MUST fight to be heard! That's a fundamental right our Founders codified in their writings. From their point of view they're already living in tyranny and our Founders made it clear what must be done, and which tree must be watered, and what should be flowing from the irritation pipe. (8) |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:31:06 PM EDT
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Yes, there are agitators that come from outside to take advantage of the situation. Look at the 'umbrella dude' that smashed windows in Minneapolis. He wasn't BLM, he wasn't ANTIFA, he wasn't a local, and he wasn't a leftist or communist - he's a white supremacist (1) that traveled to the area to help turn a protest into a riot. Agent provocateurs aren't a new thing in any type of protest or uprising. How should 'we' handle such uprisings? If we're fellow citizens, we could spend some quality time with our founding writings to 'get into the head' of the folks that started us on our journey. Then, we could stand beside our fellow citizens and make sure we're all treated equally. What should we NOT do? While I'm a retired military intel guy that used to so some of this stuff for a living, I suggest folks ignore me (and fact check everything!) and go to 'the book' (2). SecDef commissioned yet another study and report from RAND in 2013 to provide best practices for handling insurgencies. It's the framework for our work overseas. It also informs our military doctrine (3)(6) It has some fairly easy to follow Dos and Don'ts, such as the ones listed in the summary on page xxii. Note that there is only one item on the list that is marked in red with "Strong evidence against" using: "Crush them". |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:31:49 PM EDT
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3-6
We know that the "crush them" mindset is the largest path to failure. What's the path to victory? FM 3-24 chapter 3 provides clues "Understanding Culture", "Assessing a Cultural Situation", and "Organizing to Understand Culture". In other words: We have to understand the protesters from THEIR POINTS OF VIEW before we can help to deescalate and stabilize the area/situation. I'm not seeing this from the traditional gun community. What I am seeing, however, is the repetition of memes: Kill commies! It's Soros! BLM is paying people! ANTIFA are terrorists! I can take out 6 of 'them' with one shot from my .50 BMG! Us Vs. Them. As if we weren't talking about our brother and sister citizens... Blah blah blah - lots of words. WTF's this got to do with the 'Kenosha Kid'? Everything. 1. Why did Rittenhouse's parents let him travel 45 miles up the road, 'borrow' a rifle, and 'protect' a boarded up business? a. What was the point of his 'mission', considering the place was boarded up and the owner presumably had INSURANCE? b. Where were the police? If it was important to protect these pieces of 'obviously' critical infrastructure, why weren't the folks being paid $30,610,391 in 2020 (4) deployed (or supported by other towns, county, state, or Guard troops) to protect these locations? The obvious answer is because they are not actually 'critical infrastructure' and because no building or window or car or other piece of property is worth risking, harming, or taking a human life. (For anyone that questions this, I highly recommend spending some quality time with Massad Ayoob in at least a MAG20 classroom, where he covers this in intense detail. If you're going to schedule the -20, go for the full MAG40 as the range time is excellent and a ton of fun!) (As an aside - someone should reach out to Massad Ayoob. If he doesn't help with the case, that should tell us something really important.) |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:32:36 PM EDT
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2. Why did he think he needed to travel there? Why were other out of town folks, especially out of town melanin-challenged folks, there to patrol someone else's streets and perform jobs the police obviously weren't performing? That's a larger question and a much larger problem. Too many of my fellow 2A supporters have gotten caught up in or have been influenced by the same sort of 'mission creep' that's affected policing over the past few decades in the US. When I was a kid, beat cops were from the towns and neighborhoods, and they didn't carry guns. They didn't have to - nobody was going to attack their neighbor! Fiscal conservatism, the misguided mantra of 'do more with less', fighting between political factions with the citizens and towns in the middle, and the constant flow of images, stories, and people from various 'sand boxes', has created the belief in many that in order to solve problems here at home we should do the same things we did 'over there' - suit up in full battle-rattle, kick some doors, and crush them! Except, we already know from massive piles of experience (and bodies) that 'crush them' isn't a workable plan, and that it just dumps fuel on the fire. Want to keep protesters out of your neighborhood? Don't travel into someone else's and try to keep them off their own streets. 'Your' actions will not only force them into your streets, but when they come they'll not only be motivated by their years of abuse, but will also be looking for 'you'! Really bad plan. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:33:19 PM EDT
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(Removed CoC #7. -40xb)
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:34:01 PM EDT
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(Removed CoC #7. -40xb)
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:34:24 PM EDT
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Absolutely awesome analysis! But I am still confused on the "unlawful possession" charge.
In your last update you made this correction: Wisconsin firearms law provides for open carry of loaded rifles and pistols for those Rittenhouse is 17. So how would he be in violation of a statute that says it's lawful for persons "16 and older not otherwise prohibited from possession firearms"? |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, no idea. I got focused on the research, slapped my Dave Brubeck compilation in, and the time melted away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the post, Austrian. How many hours have you put into this thread so far? Honestly, no idea. I got focused on the research, slapped my Dave Brubeck compilation in, and the time melted away. Hmm, a man of wealth, *and* taste 
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298831/29B98BFC-B4E5-401A-B356-DAF2FFA110EC_jpe-1568622.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/298831/1EC7666F-52EA-4D5B-9AD7-5BB7CD7131B5_jpe-1568628.JPG Time is an estimate, based on police report time Kyle called friend and the time between shots on video. Video of first guy on the ground has cell phone time of 11:49pm, seems close. Considering he ran almost 2 blocks and still had control and accuracy, I'm impressed. The poor kid was outnumbered by a bunch of thugs, by himself being attacked, there hasn't been a clearer case of self defense since all this craziness started. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5-6 ] For fucks sake. Get the fuck outta here with that shit. Join date, post count, spewing marxists talking points while appealing to authority. I’ve never reported anybody but this shit right here needs it. Pure leftists lies and bullshit following the fake news narrative to a fucking tee in effort to get great thread locked. Don’t fall for these lies. Don’t fall for the trap. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: (Removed CoC #7. -40xb) Massad Imaboob? No thanks. I consider him a joke. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:43:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's young, I want to say...early 20s? He's still lost on his views. He understands the left/antifa/blm but still supports them because of his libertarian views, he's currently an idiot. But at least he isn't a fucking liberal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/17187/group_jpg-1566894.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/17187/group_jpg-1566895.JPG I'm surprised nobody noticed skinny jeans tucked in cowboy boots guy. I recall another thread where he was prominent for being seen from coast to coast. Any info on him? ETA Also, somebody had mentioned, not sure where and I'm not trying to start shit, that there were armed people there, that he was with, that weren't necessarily patriots or on the good guys side. Like the jeans in cowboy boots guy, I could be mistaken, but I thought it was mentioned he wasn't necessarily on the good guys team. AGAIN, just throwing these questions out there, not in any way trying to say what Kyle did wasn't right. Just trying to ID the actors, because seeing the same people over and over has got to make you wonder what is really going on. And that that is somehow nefarious. It's like the notion that people opposed to riots & looting might also frequent numerous events is totally impossible. He's been seen several places ...not starting trouble. To me, that's what matters. @barnbwt @giacutter @JET55 @cm I stumbled on his instagram, he provided answers on his views. https://www.instagram.com/luke_and_some_guns/?hl=en There's some good memes on there...and that therefore means he can't be all bad, even if he is one of those ancap tards (hey, we were all dumb, once) Mostly seems like he dislikes rioters & gun laws.  He's young, I want to say...early 20s? He's still lost on his views. He understands the left/antifa/blm but still supports them because of his libertarian views, he's currently an idiot. But at least he isn't a fucking liberal. Clearly wants to end this madness, sees the police are failing to do so, incorrectly blames the police. That same chain of thought powers much of the anti-police bile out there. Because there's more than a grain of truth to it. Like I said, I disagree, but I get it, and I think it's been demonstrated he is highly unlikely to be some "crisis actor provocateur" flitting around the nation starting fires, as was being theorized. Moving on. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:44:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3-6 We know that the "crush them" mindset is the largest path to failure. What's the path to victory? FM 3-24 chapter 3 provides clues "Understanding Culture", "Assessing a Cultural Situation", and "Organizing to Understand Culture". In other words: We have to understand the protesters from THEIR POINTS OF VIEW before we can help to deescalate and stabilize the area/situation. I'm not seeing this from the traditional gun community. What I am seeing, however, is the repetition of memes: Kill commies! It's Soros! BLM is paying people! ANTIFA are terrorists! I can take out 6 of 'them' with one shot from my .50 BMG! Us Vs. Them. As if we weren't talking about our brother and sister citizens... Blah blah blah - lots of words. WTF's this got to do with the 'Kenosha Kid'? Everything. 1. Why did Rittenhouse's parents let him travel 45 miles up the road, 'borrow' a rifle, and 'protect' a boarded up business? a. What was the point of his 'mission', considering the place was boarded up and the owner presumably had INSURANCE? b. Where were the police? If it was important to protect these pieces of 'obviously' critical infrastructure, why weren't the folks being paid $30,610,391 in 2020 (4) deployed (or supported by other towns, county, state, or Guard troops) to protect these locations? The obvious answer is because they are not actually 'critical infrastructure' and because no building or window or car or other piece of property is worth risking, harming, or taking a human life. (For anyone that questions this, I highly recommend spending some quality time with Massad Ayoob in at least a MAG20 classroom, where he covers this in intense detail. If you're going to schedule the -20, go for the full MAG40 as the range time is excellent and a ton of fun!) (As an aside - someone should reach out to Massad Ayoob. If he doesn't help with the case, that should tell us something really important.) Antifa needs their parents' house burned down so everyone gets to enjoy the 'its only property and it's insured' philosophy. We'll see how long that bit of wisdom endures the social experiment. This is presented as a thought exercise and is not an endorsement to arson... |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:45:36 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4-6 2. Why did he think he needed to travel there? Why were other out of town folks, especially out of town melanin-challenged folks, there to patrol someone else's streets and perform jobs the police obviously weren't performing? That's a larger question and a much larger problem. Too many of my fellow 2A supporters have gotten caught up in or have been influenced by the same sort of 'mission creep' that's affected policing over the past few decades in the US. When I was a kid, beat cops were from the towns and neighborhoods, and they didn't carry guns. They didn't have to - nobody was going to attack their neighbor! Fiscal conservatism, the misguided mantra of 'do more with less', fighting between political factions with the citizens and towns in the middle, and the constant flow of images, stories, and people from various 'sand boxes', has created the belief in many that in order to solve problems here at home we should do the same things we did 'over there' - suit up in full battle-rattle, kick some doors, and crush them! Except, we already know from massive piles of experience (and bodies) that 'crush them' isn't a workable plan, and that it just dumps fuel on the fire. Want to keep protesters out of your neighborhood? Don't travel into someone else's and try to keep them off their own streets. 'Your' actions will not only force them into your streets, but when they come they'll not only be motivated by their years of abuse, but will also be looking for 'you'! Really bad plan. Because he worked there. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:46:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: (Removed CoC #7. -40xb) Oh I bet this was fun. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:46:26 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: (Removed CoC #7. -40xb) And this one too. |
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