The Holy Rosary, For America (Page 1 of 7)
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Attached File The rosary is a meditative prayer of the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ through the eyes of His mother; ending with her being reunited with Him in heaven, just as we all hope to be. The Holy Rosary In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. I believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; he descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen. Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The First Joyful Mystery, The Annunciation (Humility) - 'To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. ' – (St Luke 1:27-35) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Second Joyful Mystery, The Visitation (Charity) - 'And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord. And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. '– (St Luke 1:41-48) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Third Joyful Mystery, The Nativity of our Lord (Poverty) - 'And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him up in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds watching, and keeping the night watches over their flock. And behold an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the brightness of God shone round about them; and they feared with a great fear. And the angel said to them: Fear not; for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, that shall be to all the people: For, this day, is born to you a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord, in the city of David. And this shall be a sign unto you. You shall find the infant wrapped in swaddling clothes, and laid in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly army, praising God, and saying: Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will. ' – (St Luke 2:7-14) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Fourth Joyful Mystery, The Presentation in the Temple (Obedience) - 'And they came with haste; and they found Mary and Joseph, and the infant lying in the manger. And seeing, they understood of the word that had been spoken to them concerning this child. And all that heard, wondered; and at those things that were told them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these words, pondering them in her heart. And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God, for all the things they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them. And after eight days were accomplished, that the child should be circumcised, his name was called JESUS, which was called by the angel, before he was conceived in the womb. And after the days of her purification, according to the law of Moses, were accomplished, they carried him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord: '– (St Luke 2:16-22) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Fifth Joyful Mystery, The Finding in the Temple (Piety) - 'And the child grew, and waxed strong, full of wisdom; and the grace of God was in him. And his parents went every year to Jerusalem, at the solemn day of the pasch, And when he was twelve years old, they going up into Jerusalem, according to the custom of the feast, And having fulfilled the days, when they returned, the child Jesus remained in Jerusalem; and his parents knew it not. And thinking that he was in the company, they came a day's journey, and sought him among their kinsfolks and acquaintance. And not finding him, they returned into Jerusalem, seeking him. And it came to pass, that, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his wisdom and his answers. And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father's business? And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them. And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart. And Jesus advanced in wisdom, and age, and grace with God and men.'– (St Luke 2:40-52) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The First Sorrowful Mystery, The Agony in the Garden (Contrition) - 'For I say to you, that this that is written must yet be fulfilled in me: And with the wicked was he reckoned. For the things concerning me have an end. But they said: Lord, behold here are two swords. And he said to them, It is enough. And going out, he went, according to his custom, to the mount of Olives. And his disciples also followed him. And when he was come to the place, he said to them: Pray, lest ye enter into temptation. And he was withdrawn away from them a stone's cast; and kneeling down, he prayed, Saying: Father, if thou wilt, remove this chalice from me: but yet not my will, but thine be done. And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony, he prayed the longer. And his sweat became as drops of blood, trickling down upon the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow. And he said to them: Why sleep you? arise, pray, lest you enter into temptation. As he was yet speaking, behold a multitude; and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near to Jesus, for to kiss him. And Jesus said to him: Judas, dost thou betray the Son of man with a kiss? ' – (St Luke 22:37-48) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Second Sorrowful Mystery, The Scourging at the Pillar (Purity) - 'Pilate therefore said to him: Art thou a king then? Jesus answered: Thou sayest that I am a king. For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice. Pilate saith to him: What is truth? And when he said this, he went out again to the Jews, and saith to them: I find no cause in him. But you have a custom that I should release one unto you at the pasch: will you, therefore, that I release unto you the king of the Jews? Then cried they all again, saying: Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber. THEN therefore, Pilate took Jesus, and scourged him. ' – (St John 18:37-40, 19:1) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Third Sorrowful Mystery, The Crowning of Thorns (Courage) - 'And the soldiers platting a crown of thorns, put it upon his head; and they put on him a purple garment. And they came to him, and said: Hail, king of the Jews; and they gave him blows. Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith to them: Behold, I bring him forth unto you, that you may know that I find no cause in him. (Jesus therefore came forth, bearing the crown of thorns and the purple garment.) And he saith to them: Behold the Man. When the chief priests, therefore, and the servants, had seen him, they cried out, saying: Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith to them: Take him you, and crucify him: for I find no cause in him. The Jews answered him: We have a law; and according to the law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. Pilate therefore saith to him: Speakest thou not to me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and I have power to release thee? Jesus answered: Thou shouldst not have any power against me, unless it were given thee from above. Therefore, he that hath delivered me to thee, hath the greater sin. '– (St John 19:2-7,10-11) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Fourth Sorrowful Mystery, The Carrying of the Cross (Patience) - 'But they cried out: Away with him; away with him; crucify him. Pilate saith to them: Shall I crucify your king? The chief priests answered: We have no king but Caesar. Then therefore he delivered him to them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him forth. And bearing his own cross, he went forth to that place which is called Calvary, but in Hebrew Golgotha. ' – (St John 19:15-17) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Fifth Sorrowful Mystery, The Crucifixion (Self Denial) - 'Where they crucified him, and with him two others, one on each side, and Jesus in the midst. And Pilate wrote a title also, and he put it upon the cross. And the writing was: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. This title therefore many of the Jews did read: because the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, in Greek, and in Latin. Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen. When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own. ' – (St John 19:18-20,25-27) 'And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole earth until the ninth hour. And at the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabacthani? Which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? And Jesus having cried out with a loud voice, gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in two, from the top to the bottom. And the centurion who stood over against him, seeing that crying out in this manner he had given up the ghost, said: Indeed this man was the son of God. ' – (St Mark 15:33-34,37-39) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The First Glorious Mystery, The Resurrection (Faith) – 'AND in the end of the sabbath, when it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalen and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre. And behold there was a great earthquake. For an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and coming, rolled back the stone, and sat upon it. And his countenance was as lightning, and his raiment as snow. And for fear of him, the guards were struck with terror, and became as dead men. And the angel answering, said to the women: Fear not you; for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here, for he is risen, as he said. Come, and see the place where the Lord was laid. ' – (St Matthew 28:1-6) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Second Glorious Mystery, the Ascension (Hope) – 'And he said to them: These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then he opened their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures. And he said to them: Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise again from the dead, the third day: And that penance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things. And I send the promise of my Father upon you: but stay you in the city till you be endued with power from on high. And he led them out as far as Bethania: and lifting up his hands, he blessed them. And it came to pass, whilst he blessed them, he departed from them, and was carried up to heaven. ' – (St Luke 24:44-51) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Third Glorious Mystery, The Decent of the Holy Spirit (Love) – 'And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a mighty wind coming, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them parted tongues as it were of fire, and it sat upon every one of them: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they began to speak with divers tongues, according as the Holy Ghost gave them to speak. But Peter standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and spoke to them: Ye men of Judea, and all you that dwell in Jerusalem, be this known to you, and with your ears receive my words. But this is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel: And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord,) I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. And upon my servants indeed, and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit, and they shall prophesy. And I will shew wonders in the heaven above, and signs on the earth beneath: blood and fire, and vapour of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and manifest day of the Lord come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved. ' – (The Acts 2:2-4,14,16-21) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Fourth Glorious Mystery, The Assumption of Mary (Devotion) – 'Arise, O Lord, into thy resting place: thou and the ark, which thou hast sanctified. Let thy priests be clothed with justice: and let thy saints rejoice. ' – (Psalms 131:8-9) 'And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail.' – (Apocalypse 11:19) “He considered it as entirely certain that, as God had preserved the most holy Virgin Mary from the violation of her virginal purity and integrity in conceiving and in childbirth, he would never have permitted her body to have been resolved into dust and ashes. Explaining these words of Sacred Scripture: "Who is this that comes up from the desert, flowing with delights, leaning upon her beloved?” – (Munificentissimus Deus (32), Pope Pius XII) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, forever and ever. Amen. O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen The Fifth Glorious Mystery, The Crowning of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Eternal Happiness) – 'And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: ' – (Apocalypse 12:1) 'the daughters of kings have delighted thee in thy glory. The queen stood on thy right hand, in gilded clothing; surrounded with variety. ' – (Psalms 44:10) “From the ancient Christian documents, from prayers of the liturgy, from the innate piety of the Christian people, from works of art, from every side We have gathered witnesses to the regal dignity of the Virgin Mother of God; We have likewise shown that the arguments deduced by Sacred Theology from the treasure store of the faith fully confirm this truth. Such a wealth of witnesses makes up a resounding chorus which changes the sublimity of the royal dignity of the Mother of God and of men, to whom every creature is subject, who is "exalted to the heavenly throne, above the choirs of angels."” – (Ad Caeli Reginam (46), Pope Pius XII) Our Father, Who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Hail, holy Queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this, our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ. Let us pray: O God, whose Only Begotten Son, by his life, Death, and Resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, grant, we beseech thee, that while meditating on these mysteries of the most holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, we may imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through the same Christ our Lord. Amen. St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan, and all the evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. 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Dómine Jesu, dimitte nobis débita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferni; perduc in caelum omnes ánimas, praesertim eas, quae misericórdiae tuae máxime indigent.
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In that it gives you comfort, I have no dispute, but Jesus teaches not to pray with such repetitions, and to pray to the father in his name. I know what 1000s of years of practice and tradition have to say in justification, I merely commend to you review of Matthew 6, and exodus 20:4, and reflect to consider the difference between what has been asked of us by God, and where men have gone. |
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Originally Posted By crux: In that it gives you comfort, I have no dispute, but Jesus teaches not to pray with such repetitions, and to pray to the father in his name. I know what 1000s of years of practice and tradition have to say in justification, I merely commend to you review of Matthew 6, and exodus 20:4, and reflect to consider the difference between what has been asked of us by God, and where men have gone. Regarding Matthew 6 and Exodus 20:4. I want to hear your argument as to why the Rosary is wrong. Or is it a scatter-shot argument against Catholicism in general? |
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Originally Posted By crux: In that it gives you comfort, I have no dispute, but Jesus teaches not to pray with such repetitions, and to pray to the father in his name. I know what 1000s of years of practice and tradition have to say in justification, I merely commend to you review of Matthew 6, and exodus 20:4, and reflect to consider the difference between what has been asked of us by God, and where men have gone. I'm a bit confused. Matthew 6:7 says not to use vain/meaningless repetition like the heathens do. Empty words, babble. So two points. Jesus does NOT condemn meaningful repetition. Since the rosary is largely made up of scripture (Hail Mary is from Luke 1), you can not say it is vain unless you are claiming scripture is vain. Revelation 4:6-8, the Lord receives never ending repetitious prayer around His throne. And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: 7the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. 8And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” Is this vain repetition or meaningful repetition? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: I'm a bit confused. Matthew 6:7 says not to use vain/meaningless repetition like the heathens do. Empty words, babble. So two points. Jesus does NOT condemn meaningful repetition. Since the rosary is largely made up of scripture (Hail Mary is from Luke 1), you can not say it is vain unless you are claiming scripture is vain. Revelation 4:7-8, the Lord receives never ending repetitious prayer around His throne. And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: 7the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. 8And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” Is this vain repetition or meaningful repetition? Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By crux: In that it gives you comfort, I have no dispute, but Jesus teaches not to pray with such repetitions, and to pray to the father in his name. I know what 1000s of years of practice and tradition have to say in justification, I merely commend to you review of Matthew 6, and exodus 20:4, and reflect to consider the difference between what has been asked of us by God, and where men have gone. I'm a bit confused. Matthew 6:7 says not to use vain/meaningless repetition like the heathens do. Empty words, babble. So two points. Jesus does NOT condemn meaningful repetition. Since the rosary is largely made up of scripture (Hail Mary is from Luke 1), you can not say it is vain unless you are claiming scripture is vain. Revelation 4:7-8, the Lord receives never ending repetitious prayer around His throne. And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: 7the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. 8And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” Is this vain repetition or meaningful repetition? Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By brianm: I'm a bit confused. Matthew 6:7 says not to use vain/meaningless repetition like the heathens do. Empty words, babble. FWIW, when I pray I speak to our Holy Father as if I am speaking to my biological father. I frequently thank him for various things and ask him to help with some things. I personally don't pray the "Our Father" simply because I feel like I'm just parroting words, although it is obviously an amazing prayer having come from Jesus himself. Still, I want to use my own words to talk to God and not another's. I think this is sort of what Jesus was talking about. So that's my 2-cents. 
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: FWIW, when I pray I speak to our Holy Father as if I am speaking to my biological father. I frequently thank him for various things and ask him to help with some things. I personally don't pray the "Our Father" simply because I feel like I'm just parroting words, although it is obviously an amazing prayer having come from Jesus himself. Still, I want to use my own words to talk to God and not another's. I think this is sort of what Jesus was talking about. So that's my 2-cents. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: FWIW, when I pray I speak to our Holy Father as if I am speaking to my biological father. I frequently thank him for various things and ask him to help with some things. I personally don't pray the "Our Father" simply because I feel like I'm just parroting words, although it is obviously an amazing prayer having come from Jesus himself. Still, I want to use my own words to talk to God and not another's. I think this is sort of what Jesus was talking about. So that's my 2-cents. Cool. I'm an 'and/both,' not an 'either/or' when it comes to this subject. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By brianm: ... (Hail Mary is from Luke 1), you can not say it is vain unless you are claiming scripture is vain. Can you help me to find in the scriptures where we are called to praise Mary? Sure, brother. It's in Luke 1:48-49. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. I'm kind of a member of a generation of men.  How should we call her blessed? Well, Elizabeth a few verses before this gives a fine example. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” I mean, Elizabeth cried out to her. She questioned if she was worthy. One could imagine tears in her eyes. John the Baptist leaped for joy in the womb at only her voice. So my praise for her is sadly tame in comparison. |
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Originally Posted By brianm: Cool. I'm an 'and/both,' not an 'either/or' when it comes to this subject. Sure, brother. It's in Luke 1:48-49. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. I'm kind of a member of a generation of men. How should we call her blessed? Well, Elizabeth a few verses before this gives a fine example. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” I mean, Elizabeth cried out to her. She questioned if she was worthy. One could imagine tears in her eyes. John the Baptist leaped for joy in the womb at only her voice. So my praise for her is sadly tame in comparison. Thanks for your feedback! For me, the most important things are that we truly love God, believe in Jesus, obey their commandments, and love one another. I think as long as we believe and do those things that we are truly God's children and will go straight to Heaven. Do you share my belief? |
| The thing with the Rosary is it's not just mindless babble of repetition. You're literally meditating on the Life Death and Resurrection of Jesus. You're putting yourself in those moments and watching/reflecting on them. And you're doing these things through the eyes and heart of Mary. You're putting yourself there when Gabriel announced to Mary that she would birth the Messiah. You're watching as he's at the pillar being scourged, then the Crown of thorns is placed and he's carrying his cross. You're there at the foot of the cross as he breathes his last breath. You're there at Pentecost when he sends down the Holy Spirit like fire. I try and go thru at least all the Joyfull, Sorrowful and Glorious mysteries everyday. |
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https://dominicanfriars.org/the-15-promises-of-the-rosary/ The benefits of what Pope St. John Paul II called “an exquisitely contemplative prayer” were enumerated in a special way by a 15th century Dominican friar. According to the tradition, Alanus de Rupe received the following 15 promises to those who pray the Rosary devoutly from the Blessed Virgin Mary herself through a private revelation. We hope that they encourage you in meditating on the mysteries of Christ by praying the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary. 1. Those who faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces. 2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. 3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell. It will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies. 4. The recitation of the Rosary will cause virtue and good works to flourish. It will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God. It will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. 5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish. 6. Those who recite my Rosary devoutly, applying themselves to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. In His justice, God will not chastise them; nor shall they perish by an unprovided death, i.e., be unprepared for heaven. Sinners shall convert. The just shall persevere in grace and become worthy of eternal life. 7. Those who have a true devotion to the Rosary shall not die without the sacraments of the Church. 8. Those who faithfully recite the Rosary shall have, during their life and at their death, the light of God and the plenitude of His graces. At the moment of death, they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise. 9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. 10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in heaven. 11. By the recitation of the Rosary you shall obtain all that you ask of me. 12. Those who propagate the holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. 13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of their death. 14. All who recite the Rosary are my beloved children and the brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. 15. Devotion for my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Thanks for your feedback! For me, the most important things are that we truly love God, believe in Jesus, obey their commandments, and love one another. I think as long as we believe and do those things that we are truly God's children and will go straight to Heaven. Do you share my belief? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By brianm: Cool. I'm an 'and/both,' not an 'either/or' when it comes to this subject. Sure, brother. It's in Luke 1:48-49. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. I'm kind of a member of a generation of men. How should we call her blessed? Well, Elizabeth a few verses before this gives a fine example. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” I mean, Elizabeth cried out to her. She questioned if she was worthy. One could imagine tears in her eyes. John the Baptist leaped for joy in the womb at only her voice. So my praise for her is sadly tame in comparison. Thanks for your feedback! For me, the most important things are that we truly love God, believe in Jesus, obey their commandments, and love one another. I think as long as we believe and do those things that we are truly God's children and will go straight to Heaven. Do you share my belief? I really don't know. While I love the spirit of your statement, I think it too vague to say we share a belief. I mean, I could see a unitarian saying they also "believe in Jesus." I think those that affirm the creedal statements of the early Church all share a degree of the same belief, though maybe not in the fullness of the Truth. Any where we might disagree, I pray truly...if I am wrong in something, Lord show me my error and bring me closer to You ...and if you are wrong, that the Lord reveals that error to you as well. |
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Originally Posted By brianm: I really don't know. While I love the spirit of your statement, I think it too vague to say we share a belief. I mean, I could see a unitarian saying they also "believe in Jesus." I think those that affirm the creedal statements of the early Church all share a degree of the same belief, though maybe not in the fullness of the Truth. Any where we might disagree, I pray truly...if I am wrong in something, Lord show me my error and bring me closer to You ...and if you are wrong, that the Lord reveals that error to you as well. Should I rely on the Bible alone to know what is needed to be saved or do I also need to believe in and follow the teachings of the Catholic Church? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Should I rely on the Bible alone to know what is needed to be saved or do I also need to believe in and follow the teachings of the Catholic Church? Bible alone is what leads to 60000 denominations and everyone being their own Pope. They are not unified like Christ prayed for. Yes you need to believe in and follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, the ones that compiled and protected the Bible. God can save how ever he pleases and I'm not one to say whether someone is going to heaven or not out side of the Church. But those who have been saved were in one way in communion with Christ's Church whether they new it or not. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Should I rely on the Bible alone to know what is needed to be saved or do I also need to believe in and follow the teachings of the Catholic Church? So the root of the question is, who has authority to interpret scripture, yourself or the Catholic Church? I say ‘yourself,’ even though undoubtedly you align with some sort of denomination. I don’t think you sat down, read the Bible, and came up with every single dogmatic position you hold on your very own from a clean slate. No, you were taught theological doctrines from a line of predecessors, one after another, sometimes changing what they believed over time, going back to whatever date they split from the Catholic Church. But let’s say you in general, because really, something you may read tomorrow may now cause you to deny your denomination’s interpretation. Therefore, it really is down to your authority in what you believe. I believe the Holy Spirit sustains and preserves the Catholic Church. And I am like the Eunuch, and the Church is like St. Philip. They have been entrusted by Jesus since St. Peter to guide His sheep into all truth. |
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Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: The thing with the Rosary is it's not just mindless babble of repetition. You're literally meditating on the Life Death and Resurrection of Jesus. You're putting yourself in those moments and watching/reflecting on them. And you're doing these things through the eyes and heart of Mary. You're putting yourself there when Gabriel announced to Mary that she would birth the Messiah. You're watching as he's at the pillar being scourged, then the Crown of thorns is placed and he's carrying his cross. You're there at the foot of the cross as he breathes his last breath. You're there at Pentecost when he sends down the Holy Spirit like fire. I try and go thru at least all the Joyfull, Sorrowful and Glorious mysteries everyday. Beautiful! |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Thanks for your feedback! For me, the most important things are that we truly love God, believe in Jesus, obey their commandments, and love one another. I think as long as we believe and do those things that we are truly God's children and will go straight to Heaven. Do you share my belief? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By brianm: Cool. I'm an 'and/both,' not an 'either/or' when it comes to this subject. Sure, brother. It's in Luke 1:48-49. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; 49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. I'm kind of a member of a generation of men. How should we call her blessed? Well, Elizabeth a few verses before this gives a fine example. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. 45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.” I mean, Elizabeth cried out to her. She questioned if she was worthy. One could imagine tears in her eyes. John the Baptist leaped for joy in the womb at only her voice. So my praise for her is sadly tame in comparison. Thanks for your feedback! For me, the most important things are that we truly love God, believe in Jesus, obey their commandments, and love one another. I think as long as we believe and do those things that we are truly God's children and will go straight to Heaven. Do you share my belief? What if we are believing in who we believe God to be, and not who He truly is? What about the many If/Then's of the Gospel? The rejection of bishops, of the Eucharist, etc. It is arrogant to be confident in our judgement and salvation, and those who would give false belief in the ease of salvation are either incompetent, ignorant, or evil. Arrogance is a daughter of Pride, and we all know how Pride works. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Should I rely on the Bible alone to know what is needed to be saved or do I also need to believe in and follow the teachings of the Catholic Church? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By brianm: I really don't know. While I love the spirit of your statement, I think it too vague to say we share a belief. I mean, I could see a unitarian saying they also "believe in Jesus." I think those that affirm the creedal statements of the early Church all share a degree of the same belief, though maybe not in the fullness of the Truth. Any where we might disagree, I pray truly...if I am wrong in something, Lord show me my error and bring me closer to You ...and if you are wrong, that the Lord reveals that error to you as well. Should I rely on the Bible alone to know what is needed to be saved or do I also need to believe in and follow the teachings of the Catholic Church? If the Bible were sufficient in itself, then there wouldn't be as many interpretations as there are men. The Church is the mooring line for the faith, to hold scripture to it's roots. Without that line there is no end to the disunity, religious entropy, the house is swept away by the world. The Ark is a hard in or out, there aren't 100,000 lifeboats scattered about the sea. 'But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. ' (1 Timothy 3:15) The Church is the mystical body of Christ of which He is the head, with the Holy Ghost as its soul, it was founded by Christ so that His ministry would live on in perpetuity. 'And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (St Matthew 16:18) 'And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. '(St John 14:16) 'But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you. '(St John 14:26) 'But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me. And you shall give testimony, because you are with me from the beginning. '(St John 15:26-27) The giving of keys signifies making someone their vicar to act in their capacity while they, the authority figure, are away. The keys were specifically given to Peter, the prince of the apostles. The argument could be made that this didn’t apply to his successors, but then that would mean Christ made promises He could not keep, which would mean He wasn’t divine. Peter was chosen by God to be Christs vicar on earth, and those keys are passed on through the “house” of God until the end of time. God the Father to Christ, and Christ the Father to Peter… 'And I will clothe him with thy robe, and will strengthen him with thy girdle, and will give thy power into his hand: and he shall be as a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda. And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open. And I will fasten him as a peg in a sure place: and he shall be for a throne of glory to the house of his father. And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, divers kinds of vessels, every little vessel: from the vessels of cups even to every instrument of music. '(Isaias 22:21-24) And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. '(St Matthew 16:18-19) The Church is the keeper and defender of the faith, without which there would be no faith. There would have been no reason for the apostles, for the churches they setup of which they were the bishops, for the successors they ordained, the priests they ordained, for the letters they wrote (Epistles). 'He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. '(St John 20:21-23) The Church is not in itself a deity, it is the perpetuation of God visibly in the world. The living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Her mission is to spread the gospel to the ends of the earth, convert all nations, and the salvation of souls. 'He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me. '(St Luke 10:16) 'And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.' (St Matthew 28:18-20) ‘See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. ‘ (The Epistle to the Smyrnaeans) – Ignatius of Antioch, 1st century: The child whom the Savior took up in His arms, as described in Mark 9:35, the third Bishop of Antioch, immediate successor of Evodius, and appointed by Saint Peter himself. 'And taking a child, he set him in the midst of them. Whom when he had embraced, he saith to them: Whosoever shall receive one such child as this in my name, receiveth me. And whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me. ' – (St Mark 9:35-36) Catholic is Latin for “universal” in the sense of totality, embodiment of complete truth; or in the Greek from which it is derived and what Ignatius wrote, "katholou" combined from “kata holos”, which means “according to the whole”, in our context as in the body of the logos, the deposit of the logos. One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church. Its design is unity under the umbrella of the hierarchical monarchy, a continuity of belief through the ages, also called the deposit of faith. 'Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism. ' (Ephesians 4:3-5) 'Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you; but that you be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment. ' (1 Corinthians 1:10) One Shepherd, one flock, one steward (vicar) to shepherd in Christ’s stead and to watch over His sheep until He returns. 'When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep. ' - (St John 21:15-17) Pope (bishop of Rome, the See of Peter) and bishops, the shepherds of the flock, the hierarchical ecclesia instituted by Christ. 'That you may eat and drink at my table, in my kingdom: and may sit upon thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you (plural), that he may sift you (plural) as wheat: But I have prayed for thee (singular), that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren (fellow apostles).' – (St Luke 22:30-32) The pope’s duty is the servant of the servants of God, Servus servorum Dei. Without unity under a single authoritative hierarchy, there will inevitably be as many denominations as there are men, with the only unifying belief to be: “I will not serve”. There are two pillars of the truth, Scripture and Tradition; each on its own, fails; each on its own leads inevitably to the worship of the God within. 'Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. ' - (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) The pillar of tradition, the deposit of faith, is the perpetual truth of the Word, it is the continuity of interpretation until the end of time. 'Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ' - (2 Thessalonians 2:14) 'And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.' - (2 Peter 1:19-21) In unity we find indefectibility, infallibility, we find justice: 'And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. Again I say to you, that if two of you shall consent upon earth, concerning any thing whatsoever they shall ask, it shall be done to them by my Father who is in heaven. ' - (St Matthew 18:17-19) “Here perhaps, someone may ask: Since the canon of the Scripture is complete and more than sufficient in itself, why is it necessary to add to it the authority of ecclesiastical interpretation? As a matter of fact, Holy Scripture, because of its depth, is not universally accepted in one and the same sense. The same text is interpreted different by different people, so that one may almost gain the impression that it can yield as many different meanings as there are men. Thus, because of the great distortions caused by various errors, it is, indeed, necessary that the trend of the interpretation of the prophetic and apostolic writings be directed in accordance with the rule of the ecclesiastical and Catholic meaning.” – Saint Vincent of Lérins, 5th century 'But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.' - (St John 21:25) “In learning and professing the faith, embrace and guard that only which is now delivered to you by the church and confirmed by all the Scriptures. For since not everyone has the education and the leisure required to read and know the Scriptures, to prevent the soul perishing from ignorance, we sum up the whole doctrine of the faith in a few lines…. For the present, just listen and memorize the creed as I recite it, and you will receive in due course the testimony from Scripture of each of its propositions. For the articles of faith have not been composed to please human desire, but the most important points collected from the Scriptures make up one complete teaching of the faith. And just as the mustard seed in a small grain contains in embryo many future branches, so also the creed embraces in a few words all the religious knowledge in both the Old and New Testament. Pay attention, therefore, brothers, and cling to the teachings which are now delivered to you, and “write them on the tablet of your heart.”” - Saint Cyril of Jerusalem, 4th century. The Nicene Creed: I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen. 325 AD |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: What if we are believing in who we believe God to be, and not who He truly is? What about the many If/Then's of the Gospel? The rejection of bishops, of the Eucharist, etc. It is arrogant to be confident in our judgement and salvation, and those who would give false belief in the ease of salvation are either incompetent, ignorant, or evil. Arrogance is a daughter of Pride, and we all know how Pride works. Is it not arrogant to believe that the Catholic faith is the one true way to believe? That comes across sounding like a harsh question, it is not meant to be that way. The Baptist's believe that faith and belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation and being able to know God (that's simplified, but I hope the meaning gets across  ), so why are they not going to be allowed into Heaven?ETA: My problem isn't with someone being Catholic, I think that is a personal decision, as long as their belief is in God and Jesus. Without those two things you are not a Christian, in my way of thinking. Where I have a problem is being told that the Catholic way is the only way, when there is no real evidence of that unless you want to believe in the Pope, which I don't. Again, that's simplified .
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Originally Posted By SixpackinOk: Is it not arrogant to believe that the Catholic faith is the one true way to believe? That comes across sounding like a harsh question, it is not meant to be that way. The Baptist's believe that faith and belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation and being able to know God (that's simplified, but I hope the meaning gets across ), so why are they not going to be allowed into Heaven?Originally Posted By SixpackinOk: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: What if we are believing in who we believe God to be, and not who He truly is? What about the many If/Then's of the Gospel? The rejection of bishops, of the Eucharist, etc. It is arrogant to be confident in our judgement and salvation, and those who would give false belief in the ease of salvation are either incompetent, ignorant, or evil. Arrogance is a daughter of Pride, and we all know how Pride works. Is it not arrogant to believe that the Catholic faith is the one true way to believe? That comes across sounding like a harsh question, it is not meant to be that way. The Baptist's believe that faith and belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation and being able to know God (that's simplified, but I hope the meaning gets across ), so why are they not going to be allowed into Heaven?That's the point in maintaining the truth throughout the centuries. Every Catholic doctrine can be traced from now back to the beginning, although magnified, they are the same. Christ founded the Catholic Church, He didn't found new churches in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, or 21st centuries, He founded one Church. If you called yourself Christian from 33 AD to 1000 (ish) AD you were Catholic, then Catholic or Eastern Orthodox for another 500 years. Any belief outside of the Catholic Church is a novelty and is diminished truth or contrary to truth. God is truth, of which there can be only one, to believe in a different truth is to believe in a different god. If the Catholic Church is wrong, then Christ couldn't keep His promises and His Church failed in the first generation of Christians and died with the Apostles only to somehow be resurrected 1500 years later by a man possessed by Satan. After which Christendom shattered and turned into the woke, perverted, degenerate, fallen, inverted world we see today. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: If the Bible were sufficient in itself, then there wouldn't be as many interpretations as there are men. So Paul is wrong, the scriptures are NOT "sufficient" (as you say) and that the "man of God" can NOT be "complete" without the Catholic Church. I appreciate and respect your point of view, but I believe what Paul said and that the scriptures are indeed "sufficient" for the man of God to be, as he put it, "COMPLETE". 1 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Any belief outside of the Catholic Church is a novelty and is diminished truth or contrary to truth. God is truth, of which there can be only one, to believe in a different truth is to believe in a different god. Is salvation granted by the grace of Christ or is salvation granted through the Catholic Church? I believe and follow the teachings of Christ. Is that insufficient to be granted salvation? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: So Paul is wrong, the scriptures are NOT "sufficient" (as you say) and that the "man of God" can NOT be "complete" without the Catholic Church. I appreciate and respect your point of view, but I believe what Paul said and that the scriptures are indeed "sufficient" for the man of God to be, as he put it, "COMPLETE". 1 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: If the Bible were sufficient in itself, then there wouldn't be as many interpretations as there are men. So Paul is wrong, the scriptures are NOT "sufficient" (as you say) and that the "man of God" can NOT be "complete" without the Catholic Church. I appreciate and respect your point of view, but I believe what Paul said and that the scriptures are indeed "sufficient" for the man of God to be, as he put it, "COMPLETE". 1 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. The Bible contains all truth that is necessary for Salvation, it is sufficient in truth, but the Church is the arbiter of that truth. 'the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. ' (1 Timothy 3:15) The faith is "faithfully passed on", that is tradition. Paul teaches Scripture and Tradition, in a time where only the Old Testament and several Epistles existed. If we are our own arbiters of truth then we are only worshiping the god within. What did Christians do before the Bible? The first book was written 20 + years after the death of our Lord, generations passed before there was a Bible. They worshiped God via the sacrifice of the Mass, the oblation, the everlasting covenant. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Is salvation granted by the grace of Christ or is salvation granted through the Catholic Church? I believe and follow the teachings of Christ. Is that insufficient to be granted salvation? Salvation is granted by the grace of Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean we aren't judged. "I believe and follow the teachings of Christ." Do you? Do you believe what is true or what you interpret to be true... That is the issue. What about John 6? What about John 20? Maybe you do live with the truth and we (Catholics) see a narrower but unreasonably narrow gate. I've been protestant, I was raised protestant; it's easy, frankly it's shallow. You have to ask yourself; who benefits from Christians thinking "it's easy to get into heaven and you don't need to heed all these superfluous teachings by Jesus", like the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, or outside Christs Church there is no salvation; that you need only believe in your own truth and never submit to a higher authority, that you need not be in communion with His Church. |
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Originally Posted By brianm: I'm a bit confused. Matthew 6:7 says not to use vain/meaningless repetition like the heathens do. Empty words, babble. So two points. Jesus does NOT condemn meaningful repetition. Since the rosary is largely made up of scripture (Hail Mary is from Luke 1), you can not say it is vain unless you are claiming scripture is vain. Revelation 4:6-8, the Lord receives never ending repetitious prayer around His throne. And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: 7the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. 8And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” Is this vain repetition or meaningful repetition? If your Revelation 4 quote had included verses 9-11 it should have been obvious. Rev 4:9-11 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” bonus verses: more worship Rev 5:8-14 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. and more worship Rev 7:11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God |
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Originally Posted By way: Nice try. The angelic creatures are worshiping God, not praying. Your application of Matthew 6:7 is invalid. If your Revelation 4 quote had included verses 9-11 it should have been obvious. Rev 4:9-11 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” bonus verses: more worship Rev 5:8-14 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. and more worship Rev 7:11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God Originally Posted By way: Originally Posted By brianm: I'm a bit confused. Matthew 6:7 says not to use vain/meaningless repetition like the heathens do. Empty words, babble. So two points. Jesus does NOT condemn meaningful repetition. Since the rosary is largely made up of scripture (Hail Mary is from Luke 1), you can not say it is vain unless you are claiming scripture is vain. Revelation 4:6-8, the Lord receives never ending repetitious prayer around His throne. And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: 7the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. 8And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” Is this vain repetition or meaningful repetition? If your Revelation 4 quote had included verses 9-11 it should have been obvious. Rev 4:9-11 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” bonus verses: more worship Rev 5:8-14 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. and more worship Rev 7:11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God Sure, but I'm not really sure you are arguing a counterpoint. You do make a great point though, Prayer does not equal Worship. He isn't wrong in that repetition doesn't equal vain repetition. Just because it's repetitious doesn't mean it's vain. Just to clear something up; the repetitious Hail Mary's are meditative. They are repetitious so that they can be meditative, so that you can lose yourself in the previously stated Mystery of Christ while you are reciting them almost unconsciously. They are the silver to the gold. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The Bible contains all truth that is necessary for Salvation, it is sufficient in truth, but the Church is the arbiter of that truth. So a faithful follower of Christ cannot discern the truth without the Catholic Church? Where is that stated in the scriptures? Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: So a faithful follower of Christ cannot discern the truth without the Catholic Church? Where is that stated in the scriptures? Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The Bible contains all truth that is necessary for Salvation, it is sufficient in truth, but the Church is the arbiter of that truth. So a faithful follower of Christ cannot discern the truth without the Catholic Church? Where is that stated in the scriptures? Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom? Are there 60,000 truths? If there is "One Faith" as scripture tells us, then what is it? Who has the right to say what that means? You and I are not of the same faith, not even close. I decided to submit myself to the only one that reasonably has any claim whatsoever to that title, which as scripture tells us is "the pillar and ground of the truth". 2000 years of keeping the faith true to it's intent. Without a mooring line to the seed, Christianity would be a different flavor with every generation. From Genesis to Revelation, it all points to one Savior, one Faith. How many directions is Christ going? "Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom?" "Salvation is granted by the grace of Jesus Christ", is what I said. I never said or asserted what you are saying; don't conflate that we must participate in Christ's plan for salvation with the statement that His sacrifice is insufficient. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Are there 60,000 truths? If there is "One Faith" as scripture tells us, then what is it? Who has the right to say what that means? You and I are not of the same faith, not even close. I decided to submit myself to the only one that reasonably has any claim whatsoever to that title, which as scripture tells us is "the pillar and ground of the truth". 2000 years of keeping the faith true to it's intent. Without a mooring line to the seed, Christianity would be a different flavor with every generation. From Genesis to Revelation, it all points to one Savior, one Faith. How many directions is Christ going? "Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom?" "Salvation is granted by the grace of Jesus Christ", is what I said. I never said or asserted what you are saying; don't conflate that we must participate in Christ's plan for salvation with the statement that His sacrifice is insufficient. Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The Bible contains all truth that is necessary for Salvation, it is sufficient in truth, but the Church is the arbiter of that truth. So a faithful follower of Christ cannot discern the truth without the Catholic Church? Where is that stated in the scriptures? Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom? Are there 60,000 truths? If there is "One Faith" as scripture tells us, then what is it? Who has the right to say what that means? You and I are not of the same faith, not even close. I decided to submit myself to the only one that reasonably has any claim whatsoever to that title, which as scripture tells us is "the pillar and ground of the truth". 2000 years of keeping the faith true to it's intent. Without a mooring line to the seed, Christianity would be a different flavor with every generation. From Genesis to Revelation, it all points to one Savior, one Faith. How many directions is Christ going? "Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom?" "Salvation is granted by the grace of Jesus Christ", is what I said. I never said or asserted what you are saying; don't conflate that we must participate in Christ's plan for salvation with the statement that His sacrifice is insufficient. Thank you my brother. Perhaps a separate thread on salvation will be helpful so as not to hijack this thread regarding the rosary. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: https://dominicanfriars.org/the-15-promises-of-the-rosary/ 14. All who recite the Rosary are my beloved children and the brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. Above is one of the 15 promises that Mary is alleged to have made. In the 14th promise Mary allegedly claimed that she has only one son. However, that statement conflicts with scripture. Can someone explain the discrepancy? Matthew 13:55 English Standard Version 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? |
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Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Makes you a Protestant I don't believe so. I'm not a member of any denomination. I believe and do my best to follow Jesus's commandments. I talk to God the Father as well as our Savior, Jesus, every day to thank them and to seek guidance so that I may know and better do their will. I believe I am, simply, a member of Jesus's church here on Earth. A cursory search provided a definition of "Protestant". Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun noun: Protestant; plural noun: Protestants a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches. adjective adjective: Protestant relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches. "the Protestant religion" Origin mid 16th century: via German or French from Latin protestant- ‘protesting’, from Latin protestari (see protest). |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Above is one of the 15 promises that Mary is alleged to have made. In the 14th promise Mary allegedly claimed that she has only one son. However, that statement conflicts with scripture. Can someone explain the discrepancy? Matthew 13:55 English Standard Version 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: https://dominicanfriars.org/the-15-promises-of-the-rosary/ 14. All who recite the Rosary are my beloved children and the brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. Above is one of the 15 promises that Mary is alleged to have made. In the 14th promise Mary allegedly claimed that she has only one son. However, that statement conflicts with scripture. Can someone explain the discrepancy? Matthew 13:55 English Standard Version 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? I swear we just did this one so recently it's still probably on the main page. What was that about thread hijacking? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: I don't believe so. I'm not a member of any denomination. I believe and do my best to follow Jesus's commandments. I talk to God the Father as well as our Savior, Jesus, every day to thank them and to seek guidance so that I may know and better do their will. I believe I am, simply, a member of Jesus's church here on Earth. A cursory search provided a definition of "Protestant". Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun noun: Protestant; plural noun: Protestants a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches. adjective adjective: Protestant relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches. "the Protestant religion" Origin mid 16th century: via German or French from Latin protestant- ‘protesting’, from Latin protestari (see protest). Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Makes you a Protestant I don't believe so. I'm not a member of any denomination. I believe and do my best to follow Jesus's commandments. I talk to God the Father as well as our Savior, Jesus, every day to thank them and to seek guidance so that I may know and better do their will. I believe I am, simply, a member of Jesus's church here on Earth. A cursory search provided a definition of "Protestant". Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun noun: Protestant; plural noun: Protestants a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches. adjective adjective: Protestant relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches. "the Protestant religion" Origin mid 16th century: via German or French from Latin protestant- ‘protesting’, from Latin protestari (see protest). Whether you claim to know it or not, your theology and even the very Bible you accept and cite is a product of Protestantism. You are literally, in this very thread, rejecting (even... protesting) the very idea of Church teaching authority. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Thank you my brother. Perhaps a separate thread on salvation will be helpful so as not to hijack this thread regarding the rosary. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The Bible contains all truth that is necessary for Salvation, it is sufficient in truth, but the Church is the arbiter of that truth. So a faithful follower of Christ cannot discern the truth without the Catholic Church? Where is that stated in the scriptures? Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom? Are there 60,000 truths? If there is "One Faith" as scripture tells us, then what is it? Who has the right to say what that means? You and I are not of the same faith, not even close. I decided to submit myself to the only one that reasonably has any claim whatsoever to that title, which as scripture tells us is "the pillar and ground of the truth". 2000 years of keeping the faith true to it's intent. Without a mooring line to the seed, Christianity would be a different flavor with every generation. From Genesis to Revelation, it all points to one Savior, one Faith. How many directions is Christ going? "Are you saying that Jesus's death on the cross is insufficient for salvation and that only through the grace of the Catholic Church can one live forever in God's Kingdom?" "Salvation is granted by the grace of Jesus Christ", is what I said. I never said or asserted what you are saying; don't conflate that we must participate in Christ's plan for salvation with the statement that His sacrifice is insufficient. Thank you my brother. Perhaps a separate thread on salvation will be helpful so as not to hijack this thread regarding the rosary. You're welcome! We could do that sometime, I made a catch-all thread once but it was archived. |
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Found the last thread where the "Mary had other children" claims came up. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Yes-ALL-Christians-Should-Honor-the-Virgin-Mary-AND-Ask-Her-Intercessions-/135-2745556/ |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Above is one of the 15 promises that Mary is alleged to have made. In the 14th promise Mary allegedly claimed that she has only one son. However, that statement conflicts with scripture. Can someone explain the discrepancy? Matthew 13:55 English Standard Version 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: https://dominicanfriars.org/the-15-promises-of-the-rosary/ 14. All who recite the Rosary are my beloved children and the brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. Above is one of the 15 promises that Mary is alleged to have made. In the 14th promise Mary allegedly claimed that she has only one son. However, that statement conflicts with scripture. Can someone explain the discrepancy? Matthew 13:55 English Standard Version 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? Those were his cousins or kinfolk. The other Mary at the cross was the wife of Cleopas. Cleopas was Joseph's brother. From the Mary thread John 19:25 RSV [25] So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. Matthew 27:56 RSV [56] among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee. Who was Clopas? Clopas also appears in early Christian writings such as the 2nd century writers Papias and Hegesippus as a brother of Joseph, the husband of Mary, mother of Jesus, and as the father of Simeon, the second bishop of Jerusalem. Eusebius of Caesarea relates in his Church History (Book III, ch. 11), that after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the Christians of Jerusalem "all with one consent pronounced Symeon, the son of Clopas, of whom the Gospel also makes mention; to be worthy of the episcopal throne of that parish. He was a cousin, as they say, of the Saviour. For Hegesippus records that Clopas was a brother of Joseph."[10] |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Whether you claim to know it or not, your theology and even the very Bible you accept and cite is a product of Protestantism. You are literally, in this very thread, rejecting (even... protesting) the very idea of Church teaching authority. I follow the word of God as provided in the scriptures and the Apostle Paul said that they are sufficient for the man of God to be "complete". Was Paul also a Protestant? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Above is one of the 15 promises that Mary is alleged to have made. In the 14th promise Mary allegedly claimed that she has only one son. However, that statement conflicts with scripture. Can someone explain the discrepancy? Matthew 13:55 English Standard Version 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: https://dominicanfriars.org/the-15-promises-of-the-rosary/ 14. All who recite the Rosary are my beloved children and the brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. Above is one of the 15 promises that Mary is alleged to have made. In the 14th promise Mary allegedly claimed that she has only one son. However, that statement conflicts with scripture. Can someone explain the discrepancy? Matthew 13:55 English Standard Version 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? Scripture uses the word "brother" just as loosely regarding blood relatives, cousins, and brothers in religion as we do; you called me "brother" just one post ago. Regardless of that, that verse does not say they are Mary's if in fact they were to be Josephs, some subscribe to that theory, some do not, but it isn't necessary either way. What is known is that the early Christians believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary and that tradition was faithfully handed down through the generations. You are relatively new here but we have done this several times before, recently too, it starts off as you would expect but it does contain some good dialogue: Mary |
Dómine Jesu, dimitte nobis débita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferni; perduc in caelum omnes ánimas, praesertim eas, quae misericórdiae tuae máxime indigent.
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: I don't believe so. I'm not a member of any denomination. I believe and do my best to follow Jesus's commandments. I talk to God the Father as well as our Savior, Jesus, every day to thank them and to seek guidance so that I may know and better do their will. I believe I am, simply, a member of Jesus's church here on Earth. A cursory search provided a definition of "Protestant". Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun noun: Protestant; plural noun: Protestants a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches. adjective adjective: Protestant relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches. "the Protestant religion" Origin mid 16th century: via German or French from Latin protestant- ‘protesting’, from Latin protestari (see protest). Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Makes you a Protestant I don't believe so. I'm not a member of any denomination. I believe and do my best to follow Jesus's commandments. I talk to God the Father as well as our Savior, Jesus, every day to thank them and to seek guidance so that I may know and better do their will. I believe I am, simply, a member of Jesus's church here on Earth. A cursory search provided a definition of "Protestant". Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun noun: Protestant; plural noun: Protestants a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches. adjective adjective: Protestant relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches. "the Protestant religion" Origin mid 16th century: via German or French from Latin protestant- ‘protesting’, from Latin protestari (see protest). So you don't go to any Church and just stay home and read the Bible? Are you baptized? How do you do communion? You could literally start your own "Going2Heaven" non denominational Church and it would still be Protestant. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: I follow the word of God as provided in the scriptures and the Apostle Paul said that they are sufficient for the man of God to be "complete". Was Paul also a Protestant? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Whether you claim to know it or not, your theology and even the very Bible you accept and cite is a product of Protestantism. You are literally, in this very thread, rejecting (even... protesting) the very idea of Church teaching authority. I follow the word of God as provided in the scriptures and the Apostle Paul said that they are sufficient for the man of God to be "complete". Was Paul also a Protestant? Do you believe there was a church founded by Christ? Let's start there. |
Dómine Jesu, dimitte nobis débita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferni; perduc in caelum omnes ánimas, praesertim eas, quae misericórdiae tuae máxime indigent.
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: I follow the word of God as provided in the scriptures and the Apostle Paul said that they are sufficient for the man of God to be "complete". Was Paul also a Protestant? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Whether you claim to know it or not, your theology and even the very Bible you accept and cite is a product of Protestantism. You are literally, in this very thread, rejecting (even... protesting) the very idea of Church teaching authority. I follow the word of God as provided in the scriptures and the Apostle Paul said that they are sufficient for the man of God to be "complete". Was Paul also a Protestant? To which scriptures was Paul referring, and which scriptures do you recognize? |
"This deeply secularist, post-modern society knows who its enemy is. They’re naming it. And we should believe them. They’re telling us who they are. We should believe them."