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Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: So you don't go to any Church and just stay home and read the Bible? Are you baptized? How do you do communion? You could literally start your own "Going2Heaven" non denominational Church and it would still be Protestant. Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Makes you a Protestant I don't believe so. I'm not a member of any denomination. I believe and do my best to follow Jesus's commandments. I talk to God the Father as well as our Savior, Jesus, every day to thank them and to seek guidance so that I may know and better do their will. I believe I am, simply, a member of Jesus's church here on Earth. A cursory search provided a definition of "Protestant". Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun noun: Protestant; plural noun: Protestants a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches. adjective adjective: Protestant relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches. "the Protestant religion" Origin mid 16th century: via German or French from Latin protestant- ‘protesting’, from Latin protestari (see protest). So you don't go to any Church and just stay home and read the Bible? Are you baptized? How do you do communion? You could literally start your own "Going2Heaven" non denominational Church and it would still be Protestant. He or she, (I apologize Going2Heaven, I don't know how to address you, we need pronouns on every signature line!) alleged to be Catholic at one time. |
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On this day, the Church celebrates the Solemnity of the Holy Rosary; pray for us o holy mother of God! "The rosary is the book of the blind, where souls see and there enact the greatest drama of love the world has ever known; it is the book of the simple, which initiates them into mysteries and knowledge more satisfying than the education of other men; it is the book of the aged, whose eyes close upon the shadow of this world, and open on the substance of the next. The power of the rosary is beyond description." The importance and practicality of the Rosary among the poor and illiterate, deaf, dumb, or blind; cannot be overstated. |
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John 7 English Standard Version Jesus at the Feast of Booths 7 After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in Judea, because the Jews[a] were seeking to kill him. 2 Now the Jews' Feast of Booths was at hand. 3 So his brothers said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4 For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For not even his brothers believed in him. 6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. 8 You go up to the feast. I am not[c] going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After saying this, he remained in Galilee. 10 But after his [b]brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private. 11 The Jews were looking for him at the feast, and saying, “Where is he?” 12 And there was much muttering about him among the people. While some said, “He is a good man,” others said, “No, he is leading the people astray.” 13 Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him. |
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Originally Posted By way: Nice try. The angelic creatures are worshiping God, not praying. Your application of Matthew 6:7 is invalid. If your Revelation 4 quote had included verses 9-11 it should have been obvious. Rev 4:9-11 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” Originally Posted By way: Nice try. The angelic creatures are worshiping God, not praying. Your application of Matthew 6:7 is invalid. If your Revelation 4 quote had included verses 9-11 it should have been obvious. Rev 4:9-11 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” First, the living creatures are giving the Lord adoration through prayer. Which is a form of worship that is also prayer. Prayer is simply communication. One can worship without prayer, one can pray without worship, and one can do both at the same time, clearly. Whatever point you are trying to make isn’t remotely valid. But let’s look at exactly what the text says. Notice the living creatures are giving Him “glory and honor and thanks.” All things done through their verbal prayer. And that the elders are the ones specifically said to have fell down to worship Him. And what are the elders doing while prostrating? They are praying to the Lord. So saying the living creatures are worshipping and not praying doesn’t make a lick of sense. bonus verses: more worship Rev 5:8-14 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. and more worship Rev 7:11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God Same points as above. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: John 7 English Standard Version Jesus at the Feast of Booths 7 After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in Judea, because the Jews[a] were seeking to kill him. 2 Now the Jews' Feast of Booths was at hand. 3 So his brothers said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4 For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For not even his brothers believed in him. 6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. 8 You go up to the feast. I am not[c] going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After saying this, he remained in Galilee. 10 But after his [b]brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private. 11 The Jews were looking for him at the feast, and saying, “Where is he?” 12 And there was much muttering about him among the people. While some said, “He is a good man,” others said, “No, he is leading the people astray.” 13 Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him. Again, nowhere does that say A: they are Mary's, or B: that they are more than cousins. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Of course. Aren't ALL people the sons and daughters of God our Father? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: ...you called me "brother" just one post ago. Of course. Aren't ALL people the sons and daughters of God our Father? No "sir", only baptized people are sons or daughters of God. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Of course. He said so. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Do you believe there was a church founded by Christ? Let's start there. Of course. He said so. Is that church visible on earth until Christ comes again? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Which verse says that Joseph had children with another woman, please? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Again, nowhere does that say A: they are Mary's, or B: that they are more than cousins. Which verse says that Joseph had children with another woman, please? Which verse says he didn't? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Which verse says that Joseph had children with another woman, please? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Again, nowhere does that say A: they are Mary's, or B: that they are more than cousins. Which verse says that Joseph had children with another woman, please? Proof texting; there is no verse that says they are Mary's. You refer to tradition. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Yes. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Is that church visible on earth until Christ comes again? Yes. Where is that church? What is it called? |
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Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: So you don't go to any Church and just stay home and read the Bible? Are you baptized? How do you do communion? You could literally start your own "Going2Heaven" non denominational Church and it would still be Protestant. Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Makes you a Protestant I don't believe so. I'm not a member of any denomination. I believe and do my best to follow Jesus's commandments. I talk to God the Father as well as our Savior, Jesus, every day to thank them and to seek guidance so that I may know and better do their will. I believe I am, simply, a member of Jesus's church here on Earth. A cursory search provided a definition of "Protestant". Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more noun noun: Protestant; plural noun: Protestants a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches. adjective adjective: Protestant relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant Churches. "the Protestant religion" Origin mid 16th century: via German or French from Latin protestant- ‘protesting’, from Latin protestari (see protest). So you don't go to any Church and just stay home and read the Bible? Are you baptized? How do you do communion? You could literally start your own "Going2Heaven" non denominational Church and it would still be Protestant. Nearly all “non-denominational” Christians are a spectrum of Independent Baptist belief. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Proof texting; there is no verse that says they are Mary's. You refer to tradition. Joseph and Mary were a couple. They had Jesus, as a result of the Holy Spirit's action. The Bible says that Jesus had brothers. Unless scripture says otherwise, we can rightly glean that Jesus's brothers came from Joseph and Mary. And so I ask, which verse says that Jesus's brother came from another woman? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Verse please? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: No "sir", only baptized people are sons or daughters of God. Verse please? Exegesis of many verses, chapters even books. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Daniel, Matthew, Luke, Peter, etc. We belong to the dark lord due to the fall of Adam and Eve, because of original sin we are separated from God, baptism makes us adopted children of God. Now we can rightly say all humans are creatures of God in the same sense as any and all parts of His creation, but we our souls are separated from Him. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Joseph and Mary were a couple. They had Jesus, as a result of the Holy Spirit's action. The Bible says that Jesus had brothers. Unless scripture says otherwise, we can rightly glean that Jesus's brothers came from Joseph and Mary. And so I ask, which verse says that Jesus's brother came from another woman? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Proof texting; there is no verse that says they are Mary's. You refer to tradition. Joseph and Mary were a couple. They had Jesus, as a result of the Holy Spirit's action. The Bible says that Jesus had brothers. Unless scripture says otherwise, we can rightly glean that Jesus's brothers came from Joseph and Mary. And so I ask, which verse says that Jesus's brother came from another woman? I never said they were Josephs either, I said it was a theory that some subscribe to. Either way it's superfluous information that wasn't necessary for the Bible, but by tradition was maintained that they weren't Mary's throughout the history of the Church, until some 1700 years later someone wanted to argue they were her children. The Bible says Lot and Abram were "brothers", but they were cousins. So did the Bible lie in one place but not the other? |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Exegesis of many verses, chapters even books. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Daniel, Matthew, Luke, Peter, etc. We belong to the dark lord due to the fall of Adam and Eve, because of original sin we are separated from God, baptism makes us adopted children of God. Now we can rightly say all humans are creatures of God in the same sense as any and all parts of His creation, but we our souls are separated from Him. Do believers not baptized by water go to Heaven or Hell? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: I don't believe that the scriptures identify a geographic location of Jesus's church or even a name, although the Apostles called it "The Way". Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Where is that church? What is it called? I don't believe that the scriptures identify a geographic location of Jesus's church or even a name, although the Apostles called it "The Way". Is this church supposed to be unified as one faith, one spirit? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Do believers not baptized by water go to Heaven or Hell? Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Exegesis of many verses, chapters even books. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Daniel, Matthew, Luke, Peter, etc. We belong to the dark lord due to the fall of Adam and Eve, because of original sin we are separated from God, baptism makes us adopted children of God. Now we can rightly say all humans are creatures of God in the same sense as any and all parts of His creation, but we our souls are separated from Him. Do believers not baptized by water go to Heaven or Hell? No, there is also baptism by desire and baptism by blood. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: I never said they were Josephs either, I said it was a theory that some subscribe to. Either way it's superfluous information that wasn't necessary for the Bible, but by tradition was maintained that they weren't Mary's throughout the history of the Church, until some 1700 years later someone wanted to argue they were her children. The Bible says Lot and Abram were "brothers", but they were cousins. So did the Bible lie in one place but not the other? Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Proof texting; there is no verse that says they are Mary's. You refer to tradition. Joseph and Mary were a couple. They had Jesus, as a result of the Holy Spirit's action. The Bible says that Jesus had brothers. Unless scripture says otherwise, we can rightly glean that Jesus's brothers came from Joseph and Mary. And so I ask, which verse says that Jesus's brother came from another woman? I never said they were Josephs either, I said it was a theory that some subscribe to. Either way it's superfluous information that wasn't necessary for the Bible, but by tradition was maintained that they weren't Mary's throughout the history of the Church, until some 1700 years later someone wanted to argue they were her children. The Bible says Lot and Abram were "brothers", but they were cousins. So did the Bible lie in one place but not the other? There is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had other sons together. There is no scriptural support that Jesus's brothers were born of another woman. Hence, the statement allegedly made by Mary in the 14th statement is FALSE. Let's move onto another statement allegedly made by Mary regarding the 15 "promises". |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: There is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had other sons together. There is no scriptural support that Jesus's brothers were born of another woman. Hence, the statement allegedly made by Mary in the 14th statement is FALSE. Let's move onto another statement allegedly made by Mary regarding the 15 "promises". Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Proof texting; there is no verse that says they are Mary's. You refer to tradition. Joseph and Mary were a couple. They had Jesus, as a result of the Holy Spirit's action. The Bible says that Jesus had brothers. Unless scripture says otherwise, we can rightly glean that Jesus's brothers came from Joseph and Mary. And so I ask, which verse says that Jesus's brother came from another woman? I never said they were Josephs either, I said it was a theory that some subscribe to. Either way it's superfluous information that wasn't necessary for the Bible, but by tradition was maintained that they weren't Mary's throughout the history of the Church, until some 1700 years later someone wanted to argue they were her children. The Bible says Lot and Abram were "brothers", but they were cousins. So did the Bible lie in one place but not the other? There is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had other sons together. There is no scriptural support that Jesus's brothers were born of another woman. Hence, the statement allegedly made by Mary in the 14th statement is FALSE. Let's move onto another statement allegedly made by Mary regarding the 15 "promises". Verse? Specifically, where anyone else in the Bible is called Mary's son? (besides John at the foot of the cross) |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: There is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had other sons together. There is no scriptural support that Jesus's brothers were born of another woman. Hence, the statement allegedly made by Mary in the 14th statement is FALSE. Let's move onto another statement allegedly made by Mary regarding the 15 "promises". Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Proof texting; there is no verse that says they are Mary's. You refer to tradition. Joseph and Mary were a couple. They had Jesus, as a result of the Holy Spirit's action. The Bible says that Jesus had brothers. Unless scripture says otherwise, we can rightly glean that Jesus's brothers came from Joseph and Mary. And so I ask, which verse says that Jesus's brother came from another woman? I never said they were Josephs either, I said it was a theory that some subscribe to. Either way it's superfluous information that wasn't necessary for the Bible, but by tradition was maintained that they weren't Mary's throughout the history of the Church, until some 1700 years later someone wanted to argue they were her children. The Bible says Lot and Abram were "brothers", but they were cousins. So did the Bible lie in one place but not the other? There is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had other sons together. There is no scriptural support that Jesus's brothers were born of another woman. Hence, the statement allegedly made by Mary in the 14th statement is FALSE. Let's move onto another statement allegedly made by Mary regarding the 15 "promises". False according to your interpretation of scripture. You are saying I am wrong in my interpretation of scripture, along with billions of Christians who are also apparently wrong. And that “brothers” means one thing in one part of the Bible, but something different in another. So here we are with two opposing interpretations of scripture, how is that possible? What are we to do? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Why should we surmise that Jesus's brothers came from a different woman? Can you cite scripture to support that belief? I do not wish to "surmise." sur·mise: suppose that something is true without having evidence to confirm it. You stated that there is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had children together. Please provide the verse where Mary specifically gave birth to other children. |
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Here is another seeming contradiction in the Rosary. Do you actually believe that Mary wants believers to "serve her" as she mentions in the first promise? It's stuff like this (and much, MUCH, more) that compelled me to disavow Catholocism as a false, worldly, system. Rosary: 1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces. Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered him, “It is written, you shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve." |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: There is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had other sons together. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: There is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had other sons together. Originally Posted By brianm: You stated that there is scriptural support that Joseph and Mary had children together. Please provide the verse where Mary specifically gave birth to other children. Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: No brother, that's not what I said. I said that there is no scriptural support for the belief that Jesus's brothers were born of another woman. 
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: I believe Jesus's brothers came from his mother. If you have scripture that says otherwise, I would be grateful to read it in order to have a better understanding. Thank you my brother.  Ok, what verse shows that they were born from Mary? Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Again, we can glean that Mary bore additional sons after Jesus. Luke 2:7 English Standard Version 7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn. What's your theory for why all of the people who actually knew Mary, knew Jesus Christ, knew the family, passed on an understanding that she had no other children? Somehow it would be 1600 years before anyone read that text and "gleaned" such a thing. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: What's your theory for why all of the people who actually knew Mary, knew Jesus Christ, knew the family, passed on an understanding that she had no other children? Somehow it would be 1600 years before anyone read that text and "gleaned" such a thing. Protogospel of James is the first documented suggestion of this. Nigh 100 years after everyone else who knew them wrote that Jesus had brothers, and that Joseph did not have intercourse with Mary until after she had given birth to Jesus. |
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Originally Posted By crux: Protogospel of James is the first documented suggestion of this. Nigh 100 years after everyone else who knew them wrote that Jesus had brothers, and that Joseph did not have intercourse with Mary until after she had given birth to Jesus. Originally Posted By crux: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: What's your theory for why all of the people who actually knew Mary, knew Jesus Christ, knew the family, passed on an understanding that she had no other children? Somehow it would be 1600 years before anyone read that text and "gleaned" such a thing. Protogospel of James is the first documented suggestion of this. Nigh 100 years after everyone else who knew them wrote that Jesus had brothers, and that Joseph did not have intercourse with Mary until after she had given birth to Jesus. What are those references for those who wrote that Jesus had brothers? And... uhh... wasn't James one if those "brothers?" And. Why would a book have been so supposedly influential despite it being oft-see as invalid if it were proposing such groundbreaking ideas that didn't already exist? This whole argument is irrelevant, as it's more than clear that we have a clear double standard as to what we demand the scriptures tell us. Maybe a better question might be, why do those who reject the Catholic Church reject the gospel of James? Why do they accept the Second Epistle of Peter? |
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Originally Posted By Going2Heaven: Again, we can glean that Mary bore additional sons after Jesus. Luke 2:7 English Standard Version 7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn. Oh...I mean understanding that firstborn does not imply other children in Jewish culture seems like a very basic thing to anyone that has studied scripture. A woman that may never have a second child, will still have a firstborn. Have you never come across that before? The Father calls Jesus His firstborn...does that mean God begat other sons? You've gleaned very wrongly a single word, and it has caused you to err. Maybe this will help you understand why personal interpretation of scripture (a translation at that) can be dangerous. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: What are those references for those who wrote that Jesus had brothers? And... uhh... wasn't James one if those "brothers?" And. Why would a book have been so supposedly influential despite it being oft-see as invalid if it were proposing such groundbreaking ideas that didn't already exist? This whole argument is irrelevant, as it's more than clear that we have a clear double standard as to what we demand the scriptures tell us. Maybe a better question might be, why do those who reject the Catholic Church reject the gospel of James? Why do they accept the Second Epistle of Peter? The gospels mention more than once the siblings of Jesus. It is plain to all who read it. The scriptures say that any one who preaches a new gospel, other than what had already been received, should be accursed. Thus, it is not unreasonable to reject pseudographical works rising several decades later where they contradict what was already written. Protoevangelion is not accepted in the narrow or broader canons either. The acceptance of Mary as a eternal virginal power in heaven to whom appeal is to be directed is not foretold in the old testament, nor preached in the new testament. By the same reasoning I do not accept the gnostic gospels, and teachings of the mystery schools. Thus I can not join you in the traditions you value where they depart from and distract from the Catholic faith (which is well described in the Athanasian creed). I am constrained by command of the apostles not to deviate, and thus I endeavour to vigilantly check all my imaginings, and the imaginings and traditions of the world against scripture, lest I mingle leaven, and be as unprofitable as the Pharisees. The world is filled with much error. . |
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Originally Posted By crux: The gospels mention more than once the siblings of Jesus. It is plain to all who read it. The scriptures say that any one who preaches a new gospel, other than what had already been received, should be accursed. Thus, it is not unreasonable to reject pseudographical works rising several decades later where they contradict what was already written. Protoevangelion is not accepted in the narrow or broader canons either. The acceptance of Mary as a eternal virginal power in heaven to whom appeal is to be directed is not foretold in the old testament, nor preached in the new testament. By the same reasoning I do not accept the gnostic gospels, and teachings of the mystery schools. Thus I can not join you in the traditions you value where they depart from and distract from the Catholic faith (which is well described in the Athanasian creed). I am constrained by command of the apostles not to deviate, and thus I endeavour to vigilantly check all my imaginings, and the imaginings and traditions of the world against scripture, lest I mingle leaven, and be as unprofitable as the Pharisees. The world is filled with much error. . Correct. The bottom line is that Christians of various denominations are often times beholden to their denomination regardless of what the Bible says. We can share God's word with them but only the Holy Spirit can help them to see. |