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Let's put Nolo in charge of the NRA-ILA, SuperMoose in Wayne's place, RustedAce in charge of all the guns in the museum(he can hire GunJesus to help), and XCRMonger to cover the need for CatLady duties.
Adam looks a lot better in a suit than Wayne(no homo) from the Recoil shoot. I vote we have RustedAce get Cola Warrior added as an Olympic Event! |
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I'm having trouble understanding some of the air travel expenses. For example, the one listed as Reno/Wash for $40,345.00, or Reno/LA for $7075. It's hard to understand how he could spend that much flying commercial, even with first class purchased the same day as travel. I'm open to considering there could be an explanation, like he paid for a charter jet to move 100 employees. But, why would he be paying for it instead of a buyer for the association that would presumably get competitive bids?
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Folks... this is gonna be hard to swallow but if the NRA goes down in flames, there won't be an organization strong enough to stand against the anti-gunner's in Washington. If you think the NRA is corrupt, compare it to the DNC.. View Quote The pro-2a strength comes from gun owning voters, not the NRA. Shit, look what happened with Obama, people freaked out, bought guns in record numbers, both republicans and democrats, and Obama knew not to push gun control. The NRA didn't do that, we did. |
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I would rather see us all shake hands and agree that the only way to right this ship is too keep the pressure on the board to assert itself and act in the best interest of the membership. I believe this was released by a board member. Which means we're getting through to them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think some members here are owed an apology. Also Tim needs to be let back in. We told you these fucks were dirty and robbing you blind. I believe this was released by a board member. Which means we're getting through to them. |
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This will either be really good for us, or really bad. If Wayne goes, we need to support the NRA. If we don't, it's over and no one is filling those shoes. View Quote WLP needs to be expelled, immediately. |
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You mean the board that voted to change how the board was voted in so that it could cherry pick the BOD and make it harder for members to get BOD's they want voted in? View Quote There are essentially two boards. The smaller one of Wayne cronies, and the larger one made up of primarily apathy and malaise. But I don't know what else we can do. Anyone in this thread not defending this has already stopped contributing. |
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This. NO ONE on this board should be gloating about this. The organization needs to be saved, not cast away. WLP needs to be expelled, immediately. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This will either be really good for us, or really bad. If Wayne goes, we need to support the NRA. If we don't, it's over and no one is filling those shoes. WLP needs to be expelled, immediately. |
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https://www.thetrace.org/features/nra-financial-misconduct-ackerman-mcqueen/
Good article, here are some highlights: Regarding Ackerman McQueen: For instance, the company has worked closely with LaPierre’s wife, Susan, who maintains an Ackerman email address and was briefly employed there, in the mid-1990s. View Quote LaPierre promised reforms. As a board member named Weldon Clark recalled, in an affidavit filed with the Federal Election Commission, LaPierre said that he would replace Ackerman with the Mercury Group, a communications firm in Washington, D.C. According to the affidavit, though, an inquiry by board members “revealed that Mercury Group, Inc. was a wholly owned subsidiary of Ackerman McQueen.” View Quote In 2010, Tyler Schropp, a former executive at the Mercury Group, was brought in to lead the NRA’s advancement team, a fundraising group that targets wealthy members. As Schropp reshaped the department, he steered more business toward Ackerman McQueen; Davis recalled that the relationship “skyrocketed.” View Quote A financial audit from 2017 revealed that it had nearly reached the limit of a $25 million line of credit. Additionally, it had been forced to liquidate more than $2 million from an investment fund, borrow almost $4 million from its officers’ life-insurance policies, and tap another $5 million from its affiliated charitable foundation. View Quote Click To View Spoiler Cummins explained to the board that Ackerman and other vendors were generating enormous expenses and getting paid through multiple entities, in a way that obscured payments. One such arrangement involved a company called Membership Marketing Partners, which provides direct-mail fundraising. In 2017, the NRA paid MMP nearly $12 million. At the same time, it directed almost $800,000 to a firm called Allegiance Creative Group, for “fundraising counsel.” Allegiance doesn’t have a web site, but, according to state filings, at least 10 of its 15 employees also work at MMP. The president and CEO of both companies is Gurney Sloan, who previously worked as a senior vice-president at Ackerman McQueen. This kind of arrangement is not illegal, but, as the former IRS manager Marc Owens told me, “multiple names for the same entity suggest an effort to disguise the extent of contact. Most organizations have centralized accounting so they can track how much is owed.”
After Cummins’s presentation ended, Brewer took over to discuss what the agenda from the meeting refers to as “related party transactions” — arrangements that could improperly enrich NRA leaders or their associates. Before he spoke, most of the staff members were asked to leave the room. But the memos suggest some of the concerns. They assert that about a quarter of the organization’s staff is “now managed by former employees” of Ackerman who have been hired by the NRA, creating “financial conflicts of interest.” As an example, the documents note $2.6 million paid to a corporate entity called Under Wild Skies, whose annual reports list Tony Makris as president, the same position he holds with the Mercury Group. “Under Wild Skies” is also the name of a TV show, broadcast on the Outdoor Channel, that features Makris and his guests, including Revan McQueen, tracking big game in such far-flung locales as Botswana’s Okavango Delta. (“Under Wild Skies” used to appear on mainstream TV, but NBC Sports ended its run after Makris, on camera, shot an elephant in the face.) According to a recent article in The New York Times, the NRA has paid Under Wild Skies some $18 million since 2010. Until recently, Tyler Schropp, who runs the NRA’s advancement team, the large-donor program, also served as the treasurer of Under Wild Skies. Brewer, the lawyer, told the Times that Schropp had “a minuscule interest” in the company, and that he had relinquished his stake. But NRA officials were evidently concerned; in documents filed soon after the audit committee met in July, Schropp’s name was listed among the officers of Under Wild Skies, but had been crossed out by hand. State records reveal several arrangements that Marc Owens described as “extraordinary.” One involves LaPierre. The records say that his contract “provides for consulting services and personal appearances upon the end of his employment, at an annual rate that starts at his currently contracted final base salary and is later reduced.” LaPierre earns more than $1 million a year. “I’ve never seen anything like that before,” Owens said. View Quote Last August, the NRA, in desperate need of funds, raised its dues for the second time in two years. To cut costs, it has eliminated free coffee and water coolers at its headquarters and has frozen its employees’ pension plans View Quote |
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I believe that was the executive committee and not the members at large. There are essentially two boards. The smaller one of Wayne cronies, and the larger one made up of primarily apathy and malaise and resume padding. But I don't know what else we can do. Anyone in this thread not defending this has already stopped contributing. View Quote |
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I'm having trouble understanding some of the air travel expenses. For example, the one listed as Reno/Wash for $40,345.00, or Reno/LA for $7075. It's hard to understand how he could spend that much flying commercial, even with first class purchased the same day as travel. I'm open to considering there could be an explanation, like he paid for a charter jet to move 100 employees. But, why would he be paying for it instead of a buyer for the association that would presumably get competitive bids? View Quote |
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I believe that was the executive committee and not the members at large. There are essentially two boards. The smaller one of Wayne cronies, and the larger one made up of primarily apathy and malaise. But I don't know what else we can do. Anyone in this thread not defending this has already stopped contributing. View Quote |
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I've opened up a thread in Team for the specific purpose of extracting relevant information in this thread. We need to get a clear, coherent picture of what precisely is going on.
If anyone can OCR the original leaked docs and put them in the Team thread (maybe as pdf's?) that would be a big help. Building a relationship map may also help (some may exist online? Muckity maybe?) |
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I'm having trouble understanding some of the air travel expenses. For example, the one listed as Reno/Wash for $40,345.00, or Reno/LA for $7075. It's hard to understand how he could spend that much flying commercial, even with first class purchased the same day as travel. I'm open to considering there could be an explanation, like he paid for a charter jet to move 100 employees. But, why would he be paying for it instead of a buyer for the association that would presumably get competitive bids? View Quote @chadjetlag @vne @tc717 |
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I've opened up a thread in Team for the specific purpose of extracting relevant information in this thread. We need to get a clear, coherent picture of what precisely is going on. If anyone can OCR the original leaked docs and put them in the Team thread (maybe as pdf's?) that would be a big help. Building a relationship map may also help (some may exist online? Muckity maybe?) View Quote |
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I believe that was the executive committee and not the members at large. There are essentially two boards. The smaller one of Wayne cronies, and the larger one made up of primarily apathy and malaise. But I don't know what else we can do. Anyone in this thread not defending this has already stopped contributing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You mean the board that voted to change how the board was voted in so that it could cherry pick the BOD and make it harder for members to get BOD's they want voted in? There are essentially two boards. The smaller one of Wayne cronies, and the larger one made up of primarily apathy and malaise. But I don't know what else we can do. Anyone in this thread not defending this has already stopped contributing. "I believe that was the executive committee and not the members at large. " "At this point, what difference does it make" |
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Quoted: That would be absolutely glorious. I might actually buy a life membership then. View Quote That's the worst part of all of this. They've given the NYS government all the ammunition they need to destroy the organization. And NY politicians score mega points with their asshole leftist voters for attacking the NRA. Just think what kind of street cred the state AG will get for being the person who killed the NRA? |
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You mean the board that voted to change how the board was voted in so that it could cherry pick the BOD and make it harder for members to get BOD's they want voted in? View Quote We can put them under the microscope too. The goal is to clean out the corrosive and the dead wood at the top. Make the NRA functional again. |
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Taking coach or even business class to SHOT with the dirty gun owning public is gauche yo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Almost 300k in suits in 10yrs, frankly unless he's Oprah with fluctuating weight, that looks more like embezzlement than suit purchases. That's almost 30k a year, and even Z Zenga ain't that bad. You've seen the monkey suits he wears publicly. Suspicion aroused. View Quote |
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3 million dollar a month law firm for fucking what? The NRA was not litigating shit.
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Quoted: The link in the op is probably as good as they're going to get. ftp://67.190.79.35/sda1/nra2019documents1-clean You could always convert them to a single pdf or print them all. View Quote |
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Quoted: If that happens, it will probably be more thanks to the NYSAG's office than anything else and the NRA won't exist for you to buy a life membership to it. That's the worst part of all of this. They've given the NYS government all the ammunition they need to destroy the organization. And NY politicians score mega points with their asshole leftist voters for attacking the NRA. Just think what kind of street cred the state AG will get for being the person who killed the NRA? View Quote |
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... But I don't know what else we can do. Anyone in this thread not defending this has already stopped contributing. View Quote you could help lapierre, like his last outreach asked for.... you could give him and the nra money, to help in the nra first amendment right's lawsuit against n.y., so they can continue to illegally sell insurance again. in fact, you should give all your money, savings, and retirement, to help him and the nra, since you are so dedicated. a lot of people have seen nothing will change in the nra, until lapierre and cabal are gone. and now, most of the board, also. |
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https://www.thetrace.org/features/nra-financial-misconduct-ackerman-mcqueen/ Good article, here are some highlights: Regarding Ackerman McQueen: A bit longer tidbit: Click To View Spoiler Cummins explained to the board that Ackerman and other vendors were generating enormous expenses and getting paid through multiple entities, in a way that obscured payments. One such arrangement involved a company called Membership Marketing Partners, which provides direct-mail fundraising. In 2017, the NRA paid MMP nearly $12 million. At the same time, it directed almost $800,000 to a firm called Allegiance Creative Group, for “fundraising counsel.” Allegiance doesn’t have a web site, but, according to state filings, at least 10 of its 15 employees also work at MMP. The president and CEO of both companies is Gurney Sloan, who previously worked as a senior vice-president at Ackerman McQueen. This kind of arrangement is not illegal, but, as the former IRS manager Marc Owens told me, “multiple names for the same entity suggest an effort to disguise the extent of contact. Most organizations have centralized accounting so they can track how much is owed.” After Cummins’s presentation ended, Brewer took over to discuss what the agenda from the meeting refers to as “related party transactions” — arrangements that could improperly enrich NRA leaders or their associates. Before he spoke, most of the staff members were asked to leave the room. But the memos suggest some of the concerns. They assert that about a quarter of the organization’s staff is “now managed by former employees” of Ackerman who have been hired by the NRA, creating “financial conflicts of interest.” As an example, the documents note $2.6 million paid to a corporate entity called Under Wild Skies, whose annual reports list Tony Makris as president, the same position he holds with the Mercury Group. “Under Wild Skies” is also the name of a TV show, broadcast on the Outdoor Channel, that features Makris and his guests, including Revan McQueen, tracking big game in such far-flung locales as Botswana’s Okavango Delta. (“Under Wild Skies” used to appear on mainstream TV, but NBC Sports ended its run after Makris, on camera, shot an elephant in the face.) According to a recent article in The New York Times, the NRA has paid Under Wild Skies some $18 million since 2010. Until recently, Tyler Schropp, who runs the NRA’s advancement team, the large-donor program, also served as the treasurer of Under Wild Skies. Brewer, the lawyer, told the Times that Schropp had “a minuscule interest” in the company, and that he had relinquished his stake. But NRA officials were evidently concerned; in documents filed soon after the audit committee met in July, Schropp’s name was listed among the officers of Under Wild Skies, but had been crossed out by hand. View Quote If we can present a case clearly enough of the appearance of fraud (the real case will of course take years), it may be enough to convince the board to shitcan WLP, if for no other reason than to protect themselves from being dragged into it. |
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I've opened up a thread in Team for the specific purpose of extracting relevant information in this thread. We need to get a clear, coherent picture of what precisely is going on. If anyone can OCR the original leaked docs and put them in the Team thread (maybe as pdf's?) that would be a big help. Building a relationship map may also help (some may exist online? Muckity maybe?) View Quote there is probably only a small fraction of the board that cares what is going on with the nra, and the others that see these things, are excusing it and doing the 'the 2nd amendment will go away if the nra fails, so you have to support the nra' b.s. |
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The Left will be all over this...they finally got something real.
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Quoted: I'm not sure arf GD has enough weaponized autism stockpiled to get this done but would love to be proven wrong. View Quote Any relationship analysis tools Like this one may be useful. Also, no reason not to sift through enemy research, like this DU link (obviously left cold) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10022048602 There is shady shit afoot, and WLP blocking an audit screams DIRTY. |
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This. NO ONE on this board should be gloating about this. The organization needs to be saved, not cast away. WLP needs to be expelled, immediately. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This will either be really good for us, or really bad. If Wayne goes, we need to support the NRA. If we don't, it's over and no one is filling those shoes. WLP needs to be expelled, immediately. |
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Quoted: In something as potentially complex as this, a visual relationship map may make things easier to analyze. Specifically, circular relationships where a few people enrich themselves at the expense of the goal of the organization. If we can present a case clearly enough of the appearance of fraud (the real case will of course take years), it may be enough to convince the board to shitcan WLP, if for no other reason than to protect themselves from being dragged into it. View Quote |
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Stop pretending the NRA is the end all be all of pro-2a and get people to realize they have to grassroots if they want anything done, not be lazy and cut checks for waynes suits and say "they did their part". "I believe that was the executive committee and not the members at large. " "At this point, what difference does it make" View Quote |
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I know what you could do.... you could help lapierre, like his last outreach asked for.... you could give him and the nra money, to help in the nra first amendment right's lawsuit against n.y., so they can continue to illegally sell insurance again. in fact, you should give all your money, savings, and retirement, to help him and the nra, since you are so dedicated. a lot of people have seen nothing will change in the nra, until lapierre and cabal are gone. and now, most of the board, also. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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... But I don't know what else we can do. Anyone in this thread not defending this has already stopped contributing. you could help lapierre, like his last outreach asked for.... you could give him and the nra money, to help in the nra first amendment right's lawsuit against n.y., so they can continue to illegally sell insurance again. in fact, you should give all your money, savings, and retirement, to help him and the nra, since you are so dedicated. a lot of people have seen nothing will change in the nra, until lapierre and cabal are gone. and now, most of the board, also. |
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Stop pretending the NRA is the end all be all of pro-2a and get people to realize they have to grassroots if they want anything done, not be lazy and cut checks for waynes suits and say "they did their part". "I believe that was the executive committee and not the members at large. " "At this point, what difference does it make" wait... oh... |
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That's just terrible. I read about half of those documents and appears that NRA is nothing more than WLPs personal slush fund.
Dude needs to go. |
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