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Originally Posted By Alacrity: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1383_jpeg-3781675.JPG https://reotrucks.com/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1384_jpeg-3781677.JPG Out diving Slate to the Bottom! Slate looks like $25k entry price pretty solidly now. Still REO is $3500 cheaper. Look at those specs! GD has the opportunity to prove how much they want cheap trucks by reserving one today! Elio says hi    |
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Tesla: Model S: Unveiled in March 2009 with $5,000–$40,000 reservation deposits. Deliveries began on June 22, 2012 (a wait of roughly 39 months). Model X: Reservations opened in February 2012; first deliveries took place in September 2015 (a wait of roughly 43 months). Model 3: Reservations opened on March 31, 2016; the first customer deliveries occurred in July 2017 (a wait of roughly 16 months). Model Y: Unveiled in March 2019; first deliveries began in March 2020 (a short wait of roughly 12 months). Cybertruck: Reservations opened in November 2019; first deliveries occurred on November 30, 2023 (a wait of roughly 48 months). |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: https://i.imgur.com/JJ1ABZmh.jpeg Single cab, short box, 4wd, 5 speed, no AC, no cruise, manual windows and locks. Does have carpet. I honestly enjoy driving it. Looking at some form of spray in bed liner, a light window tint and I'm currently waiting on a Gen 5 rotor pack for an Eaton supercharger for it. It'll have an AC compressor in it until I either plumb it as an air compressor or make an idler to replace it since it's required for the supercharger belt routing. I've had it since ~2007. Drove it to work today vs take the Audi. Some of us put our money where our mouth is. I'd drive that old truck too. It's pretty! Attached File 98 frontier here, 4cyl 5spd. So base model it only came with 1 mirror and no radio from the factory. 240k on the clock, should last til the REO gets released if it gets released My brother bought it new, only new vehicle hes ever owned, and I paid his $1500 for it a few years ago. I had driven it to Alaska and back in 2008/9 and love this little thing. |
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Originally Posted By jeep44: Arfcoms dream truck has arrived! regular cab, short bed, 3 speed manual, no A/c or radio, roll down windows, no power locks. rubber floor mat,too! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/87712/IMG_7100_jpeg-3781809.JPG I'm not seeing any horses man.... You can't beat the simplicity of a few horses hitched to the front. I'm holding off until we have that kimd of option. |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Some quick googling reveals that this is almost certainly a scam ... and if not a scam, then just wishful thinking vaporware. One interesting fact is that the Volvo company actually own the rights to the REO truck name/trademark (from the old REO automotive company from the 50s) - so nobody would be able to build/sell a "REO pickup truck" with Volvo's involvement or licensing. ^^ THIS ^^ Peeps - stop reserving. I mentioned I'd get into why unlikely on later pages. Surprised it went 5. All the stuff others have noted but also hints with the named CEO. Nobody - maybe a Texas RE Broker. At best this is some kind of market test. Which isn't really how it works. At worst, a scam in various ways. In any event there will be no product. Attached File As I pointed out earlier there's a bit more than just the Corp name here. Implicit continuation of the marque and other IP infringements. I highly doubt there been any exchange - none recorded. Which as you point out resides with Volvo Truck, through their acquiring the ashes of White - who owned the Diamond Reo brand. Ancient history. Still I expect the wheels over at Maynard Nexen to get rolling soon, if not next week. I doubt this guy has the resources to acquire or the juice to defend. But we'll see if VGNA actions in any way. @DK-Prof |
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Originally Posted By VVinci: I'd love to see you drunk posting after a WC outing, I bet the combined resources of GD and Grok wouldn't be able to interpret the acronym-speak! Sounds like you do something like what I used to do on the Biz-Dev side. One of my nicknames was "Chief Restaurant Officer" because I ate out so often with foreign and US visitors. I let them do all the drinking though. The Koreans and Chinese were the worst though, I had to find someone who would chaperone them at strip clubs, wasn't going to be me! Originally Posted By VVinci: Originally Posted By Alacrity: I'm doing World Cup stuff so between drinking foreigners to their knees and recovering to give them round 4 - been fully engaged  Im not affiliated, merely spreading the good news to the ARFCOM faithful I'd love to see you drunk posting after a WC outing, I bet the combined resources of GD and Grok wouldn't be able to interpret the acronym-speak! Sounds like you do something like what I used to do on the Biz-Dev side. One of my nicknames was "Chief Restaurant Officer" because I ate out so often with foreign and US visitors. I let them do all the drinking though. The Koreans and Chinese were the worst though, I had to find someone who would chaperone them at strip clubs, wasn't going to be me! This WC holds no professional responsibilities. Just hosting or getting to see a lot of old friends. I'm no American Outlaw, but I follow the USMNT and this isn't my first rodeo. But 10 days is more than enough for me and last night was the wrap up. I feel bad peeps believe - even after all the wave offs. @VVinci |
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Originally Posted By OregonShooter: Tesla: Model S: Unveiled in March 2009 with $5,000–$40,000 reservation deposits. Deliveries began on June 22, 2012 (a wait of roughly 39 months). Model X: Reservations opened in February 2012; first deliveries took place in September 2015 (a wait of roughly 43 months). Model 3: Reservations opened on March 31, 2016; the first customer deliveries occurred in July 2017 (a wait of roughly 16 months). Model Y: Unveiled in March 2019; first deliveries began in March 2020 (a short wait of roughly 12 months). Cybertruck: Reservations opened in November 2019; first deliveries occurred on November 30, 2023 (a wait of roughly 48 months). Crowdfunding isn't just for video games anymore. |
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Originally Posted By RV8guy: At least Mahindra had a picture when they announced. What a scam that was. But Mahindra & Mahindra had a legitimate goal, the product in hand, and the means (financially and business resource wise) They needed import approval and a distro network. Global was engaged for that end. That was all well underway. Until - well the realities of the Federal Part 591 conformity and EPA certification arrived. The second was the killer. Like many diesel efforts - Honda who bailed and Mazda who unwisely persevered - emissions FUL was the apparent issue. Unlike Elio and Aptera as @Ayada mentioned - least their first corp iteration - Global didn't take retail delivery deposits IIRC. Dealers may have expended resources and experienced damage when Mahindra booted Global as their US Importer and ended the effort. But the public wasn't tapped. Here that's not the case. As they and a few others - Crosslander and Europa offhand - have found out, importing currently available product isn't easy. Europa was one of the very very few low volume indies who succeeded post IVSC '88 which was an amendment of MVSA '66. There's VV's acronyms for today A start up vehicle company with merely a website should get zero credence. As @Ayada pointed out, it's not fair to give this dude near as much credit as Elio - who and some actual operations in place. Tho the outcome for both are pretty foreseeable. |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: I'm going to be very careful and avoid labeling Global Vehicles efforts a scam. Well managed in its entirely, hindsight: no. But Mahindra & Mahindra had a legitimate goal, the product in hand, and the means (financially and business resource wise) They needed import approval and a distro network. Global was engaged for that end. That was all well underway. Until - well the realities of the Federal Part 591 conformity and EPA certification arrived. The second was the killer. Like many diesel efforts - Honda who bailed and Mazda who unwisely persevered - emissions FUL was the apparent issue. Unlike Elio and Aptera as @Ayada mentioned - least their first corp iteration - Global didn't take retail delivery deposits IIRC. Dealers may have expended resources and experienced damage when Mahindra booted Global as their US Importer and ended the effort. But the public wasn't tapped. Here that's not the case. As they and a few others - Crosslander and Europa offhand - have found out, importing currently available product isn't easy. Europa was one of the very very few low volume indies who succeeded post IVSC '88 which was an amendment of MVSA '66. There's VV's acronyms for today A start up vehicle company with merely a website should get zero credence. As @Ayada pointed out, it's not fair to give this dude near as much credit as Elio - who and some actual operations in place. Tho the outcome for both are pretty foreseeable. Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By RV8guy: At least Mahindra had a picture when they announced. What a scam that was. But Mahindra & Mahindra had a legitimate goal, the product in hand, and the means (financially and business resource wise) They needed import approval and a distro network. Global was engaged for that end. That was all well underway. Until - well the realities of the Federal Part 591 conformity and EPA certification arrived. The second was the killer. Like many diesel efforts - Honda who bailed and Mazda who unwisely persevered - emissions FUL was the apparent issue. Unlike Elio and Aptera as @Ayada mentioned - least their first corp iteration - Global didn't take retail delivery deposits IIRC. Dealers may have expended resources and experienced damage when Mahindra booted Global as their US Importer and ended the effort. But the public wasn't tapped. Here that's not the case. As they and a few others - Crosslander and Europa offhand - have found out, importing currently available product isn't easy. Europa was one of the very very few low volume indies who succeeded post IVSC '88 which was an amendment of MVSA '66. There's VV's acronyms for today A start up vehicle company with merely a website should get zero credence. As @Ayada pointed out, it's not fair to give this dude near as much credit as Elio - who and some actual operations in place. Tho the outcome for both are pretty foreseeable. I remember seeing those Mahindra Jeep CJ clone type vehicles, well they looked like an Indian version of CJ, at my local Suzuki-Kawasaki dealership. But they sold them alongside the Mules and Side by sides and I don't think they were street legal. Only lasted a couple of years, don't know how many sold. |
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Originally Posted By _DR: I remember seeing those Mahindra Jeep CJ clone type vehicles, well they looked like an Indian version of CJ, at my local Suzuki-Kawasaki dealership. But they sold them alongside the Mules and Side by sides and I don't think they were street legal. Only lasted a couple of years, don't know how many sold. They're still widely available as UTVs where their weight isn't an issue, but the not street legal thing killed my interest. |
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Originally Posted By buck19delta: heck i find bongo trucks very attractive for a lot of reasons, if i had a large chunk of land / a farm etc, to justify having one id buy a few of those before id buy a side by side, they are essentially 4x4 side by sides with more powerful engines, a cab, heat and ac, and more carry capacity, and you can get a VERY nice lightly used one for easily 1/2 of what a side by side with cab / ac / heat costs . Originally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: That and people who want a "truck" to make dump runs, go to the hardware/garden stores, etc. heck i find bongo trucks very attractive for a lot of reasons, if i had a large chunk of land / a farm etc, to justify having one id buy a few of those before id buy a side by side, they are essentially 4x4 side by sides with more powerful engines, a cab, heat and ac, and more carry capacity, and you can get a VERY nice lightly used one for easily 1/2 of what a side by side with cab / ac / heat costs . Yes Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File We've done this before - a lot. Much elsewhere is dead on to what GD bottom feeders (that's said endearingly, not pejorative) believe they want. Some above, most fairly recent. But it's absolutely not happening and folks in the States are very much saved because of that . Want to hate yourself - Wuling Zhengtu (GM ties even), UAZ Patriot (Russia) draped in defunct Italian branding, China Motors/Mitsu Zinger - any Indian mfg. Seriously the only people who think a Tata Telcoline or Mahindra Bolero/Pikup are good choices have never been in markets where they are notorious. Tata Yohda - holy shit.In markets where people don't have the economic ability or western model selection they're better than walking. Peeps love the Hilux Champ, in the abstract. They havnt sold spritely in even Peru. It's a hairshirt compared to contemporary available Western models. But it does its job - being cheap and keeping China mfgs at bay. GD loves the ideal. Living with the reality. . . Daily . . .meh Buy a BSeries/GEN 3 Ranger and be done with it. I'd say a N80 Hilux - SWB single cab 2WD Toyota "Truck" in the States, but been they've gotten silly priced. |
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Originally Posted By _DR: I remember seeing those Mahindra Jeep CJ clone type vehicles, well they looked like an Indian version of CJ, at my local Suzuki-Kawasaki dealership. But they sold them alongside the Mules and Side by sides and I don't think they were street legal. Only lasted a couple of years, don't know how many sold. Originally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By RV8guy: At least Mahindra had a picture when they announced. What a scam that was. But Mahindra & Mahindra had a legitimate goal, the product in hand, and the means (financially and business resource wise) They needed import approval and a distro network. Global was engaged for that end. That was all well underway. Until - well the realities of the Federal Part 591 conformity and EPA certification arrived. The second was the killer. Like many diesel efforts - Honda who bailed and Mazda who unwisely persevered - emissions FUL was the apparent issue. Unlike Elio and Aptera as @Ayada mentioned - least their first corp iteration - Global didn't take retail delivery deposits IIRC. Dealers may have expended resources and experienced damage when Mahindra booted Global as their US Importer and ended the effort. But the public wasn't tapped. Here that's not the case. As they and a few others - Crosslander and Europa offhand - have found out, importing currently available product isn't easy. Europa was one of the very very few low volume indies who succeeded post IVSC '88 which was an amendment of MVSA '66. There's VV's acronyms for today A start up vehicle company with merely a website should get zero credence. As @Ayada pointed out, it's not fair to give this dude near as much credit as Elio - who and some actual operations in place. Tho the outcome for both are pretty foreseeable. I remember seeing those Mahindra Jeep CJ clone type vehicles, well they looked like an Indian version of CJ, at my local Suzuki-Kawasaki dealership. But they sold them alongside the Mules and Side by sides and I don't think they were street legal. Only lasted a couple of years, don't know how many sold. Roxor get sold in the States, imported as a CKD still I think and assembled outside Detroit. Someone here knows a great deal about that and may share. To an extent there sharing with an older version of the Indian domestic market Thar. Attached File Here's in it's natural environment Attached File I can say first hand there are better UTV choices. I'm hard pressed to see any advantage they hold. But they aren't entirely shit and if there's some early Willys attachment, maybe. Attached File This was the Mahindra truck Global was charged with delivering to consumers in the States. Around 2010. It didn't make sense for varied reasons. But factions in Mahindra saw the States market as attractive. A natural extension of and leveraging the foot hold they'd established with ag equipment. It was seen and reported publicly as stepping stone towards full line importation or in States production. Much changed/derailed after. Including the Roxor trade dress dust up with FCA. IMO the only peeps who made out there were the attorneys. But like Africa, the attorneys always win. |
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Originally Posted By Bacon_Grease: When do you think they will be on the market for purchase instead of pre-order? while I paid the 25 for entertainment for this. If an actual vehicle manifests under 30k that I can purchase. I will. I looking to get a Maverick as soon as some personal family stuff is solved. Slate Auto? Initial deliveries maybe as soon as late this year. That's the public schedule from the new Amazon injected CEO. Probably a good bet given their team - I don't know the former CEO Chris Barman personally but she had enough varied experience to get hired and production most of the way there. Warsaw is tooling out and they'll be in position soon. Volume production will follow as demand proves out. Caution has set in. Peeps early on reservations may get early deliveries or maybe they get allocated a bit later. I read the new CEO - Faricy - as a response to the loss of IRA EV credits making the consumer out of pocket $7500 dollar more than they were planning. With Bezos Family Office Rep leaving the board and Amazon exec coming in I see movement towards a recovery mission. Too late to change much hardware or bail. Let's see if we can optimize distro channel side and wring out some value. Maybe lever Amazon efficiencies or exposure. Dunno really. Seem to me that kinda sunk plans especially after the Commercial Clean Credits went as well. Thats where I thought Slate had traction. Institutional and industrial- Cushman replacements with road privileges. With the credit, acquisition costs were close. Now $25k not so much but also not too far off, I still think they push there. They made some efforts early but I havnt followed up to see what marketing they've moved towards that market. Consumer sales were icing as I don't think it has a lot of legs in that arena. Tho I'll be pleasantly surprised to be wrong. @Bacon_Grease |
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I kinda had a Bevis and Butthead moment there, half asleep looking at the title of the thread. Will they produce a more expensive version with a decent amount of horsepower? And if they do, will they call it the "REO Speedwagon"? 
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Originally Posted By Atropian_Defector: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523616/IMG_5523_jpeg-3782048.JPG 98 frontier here, 4cyl 5spd. So base model it only came with 1 mirror and no radio from the factory. 240k on the clock, should last til the REO gets released. My brother bought it new, only new vehicle hes ever owned, and I paid his $1500 for it a few years ago. I had driven it to Alaska and back in 2008/9 and love this little thing. That little guy will take you places for decades to come . |
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Originally Posted By ag04blast: This will never be produced. This is a grift to take in reservations and investor money. The US previously made these trucks and they didnt sell....thus they are no longer made. "Cheapish" "trucks" are still available but they dont sell in high numbers, Trucks like this sold in large volume in the US for 40 years… |
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Originally Posted By buck19delta: who knows. i do know there are plenty of people who would happily buy a new 4x4, diesel truck with at most, ac / heat / power windows , if it was around $20k. such a vehicle would be easy to produce if the damn us government would cut out all the dumbass mandatory add on shit they keep rolling out, like def for diesel, back up cameras and other such nonsense. id absolutely buy one. it doesnt have to tow 20,000lb trailers, just be cheap and reliable. lol You should review which new cars are available for $20k. |
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Originally Posted By Atropian_Defector: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523616/IMG_5523_jpeg-3782048.JPG 98 frontier here, 4cyl 5spd. So base model it only came with 1 mirror and no radio from the factory. 240k on the clock, should last til the REO gets released. My brother bought it new, only new vehicle hes ever owned, and I paid his $1500 for it a few years ago. I had driven it to Alaska and back in 2008/9 and love this little thing. Originally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Originally Posted By Deerhurst: https://i.imgur.com/JJ1ABZmh.jpeg Single cab, short box, 4wd, 5 speed, no AC, no cruise, manual windows and locks. Does have carpet. I honestly enjoy driving it. Looking at some form of spray in bed liner, a light window tint and I'm currently waiting on a Gen 5 rotor pack for an Eaton supercharger for it. It'll have an AC compressor in it until I either plumb it as an air compressor or make an idler to replace it since it's required for the supercharger belt routing. I've had it since ~2007. Drove it to work today vs take the Audi. Some of us put our money where our mouth is. I'd drive that old truck too. It's pretty! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523616/IMG_5523_jpeg-3782048.JPG 98 frontier here, 4cyl 5spd. So base model it only came with 1 mirror and no radio from the factory. 240k on the clock, should last til the REO gets released. My brother bought it new, only new vehicle hes ever owned, and I paid his $1500 for it a few years ago. I had driven it to Alaska and back in 2008/9 and love this little thing. Ive had my 1994 Nissan pickup for nearly 30 years. Great trucks.I just canceled tag and insurance last week. Insurance went from $85 every 6 months to $300. Have 2 other trucks that i drive more. Gonna use it around property. |
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Originally Posted By TriggerM: Ive had my 1994 Nissan pickup for nearly 30 years. Great trucks.I just canceled tag and insurance last week. Insurance went from $85 every 6 months to $300. Have 2 other trucks that i drive more. Gonna use it around property. Wow! That's expensive. I pay about that per year for my 86.5. Wonder what made it go up like that. |
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Originally Posted By RouxGaRoux: Lemme take a shot at this: Typical startup model: 1. Customers "reserve a spot" 2. Use extra capitol to push for product development 3. Product gets delayed a few years 4. Investors start cashing out and re-invest in another startup with the same business-model 5. product finally gets released years later with half the features it originally promised. 6. Company shifts their model to a subscription based service and incrementally increases prices every year. In this case I'll assume you'll need the subscription for extra add-ons like power windows. They won't call it a subscription, more of a "membership fee" to access discounted parts, add-ons, and maintenance. Did I miss anything? They claim the deposits are not used as start up capitol and are held in a separate account |
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: You have to reserve one for $25. Vaporware. Screams scam. Tesla I think did the same thing . This seems more vaporware than Tesla |
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Originally Posted By whiskerz: They claim the deposits are not used as start up capitol and are held in a separate account Originally Posted By whiskerz: Originally Posted By RouxGaRoux: Lemme take a shot at this: Typical startup model: 1. Customers "reserve a spot" 2. Use extra capitol to push for product development 3. Product gets delayed a few years 4. Investors start cashing out and re-invest in another startup with the same business-model 5. product finally gets released years later with half the features it originally promised. 6. Company shifts their model to a subscription based service and incrementally increases prices every year. In this case I'll assume you'll need the subscription for extra add-ons like power windows. They won't call it a subscription, more of a "membership fee" to access discounted parts, add-ons, and maintenance. Did I miss anything? They claim the deposits are not used as start up capitol and are held in a separate account At best it's a shoestring op trying to lever some credibility by showcasing demand. But I don't see the normal funding vehicles interested in a significant capital outlay based on butterflies and fairytales. The public has gotten a very good look at what it takes to bring a new, viable vehicle manufacturer to fruition with Ineos and Slate. Some of the funding provided - actually and estimated - are publicly accessible. I doubt any real industry people are involved. Wouldn't be surprised to find out it's the effort of a single individual - the "CEO" mentioned on the site. This doesn't pass the smell test. Attached File Goods and services IC 006: Non-luminous and non-mechanical metal signs for decoration. IC 036: Financing relating to automobiles. You do have this USPTO filing. Odd classes. There's more if peeps want to poke around. I'm off to find breakfast |
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Originally Posted By Burncycle: I just want a proper hilux #metoo. Would also like the Patrol version of my wife's Armada. |
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Originally Posted By Ranxerox911: If this gets traction (and that's a big "IF"), how long before established car companies strip out one of their models to compete? |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: They also claim they are, maybe not a successor organization, but definately imply continuity of the REO brand. Every doubt laying detail that's been mentioned prior is a good indication this isn't a likely a going concern. But hell maybe Stripe is tne preferred processor of hot startups anymore At best it's a shoestring op trying to lever some credibility by showcasing demand. But I don't see the normal funding vehicles interested in a significant capital outlay based on butterflies and fairytales. The public has gotten a very good look at what it takes to bring a new, viable vehicle manufacturer to fruition with Ineos and Slate. Some of the funding provided - actually and estimated - are publicly accessible. I doubt any real industry people are involved. Wouldn't be surprised to find out it's the effort of a single individual - the "CEO" mentioned on the site. This doesn't pass the smell test. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_2087_jpeg-3782159.JPG Goods and services IC 006: Non-luminous and non-mechanical metal signs for decoration. IC 036: Financing relating to automobiles. You do have this USPTO filing. Odd classes. There's more if peeps want to poke around. I'm off to find breakfast Aptera has burned through millions to get to the point of having a concept they can use to try to (and mostly fail at) get that sweet investment money to get them across the line. This guy has a 100k in “reservations” and a nano banana subscription, not the greatest starting point to convince investors to jump in at the chance to make a low margin truck. |
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Originally Posted By d16man: #metoo. Would also like the Patrol version of my wife's Armada. You can import the proper Hilux of your dreams today. Otherwise what you are lusting for is a mild hybrid diesel with all the emissions bullshit attached to it and out of all of the “I’d buy a Hilux tomorrow” claims that’s the one I believe the least. |
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Originally Posted By _DR: I remember seeing those Mahindra Jeep CJ clone type vehicles, well they looked like an Indian version of CJ, at my local Suzuki-Kawasaki dealership. But they sold them alongside the Mules and Side by sides and I don't think they were street legal. Only lasted a couple of years, don't know how many sold. They still sell them here, in limited quantities. It was and is literally a Jeep CJ2 (ie, WWII Jeep), built under license in India on and off since WWII. Mahindra got into a court fight with Stellantis and ultimately lost, so they had to restyle the front and rear ends, but still the same vehicle. They call it the Roxor, it fills a niche between SxS and street vehicles for ranchers and corps. |
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Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman: They don't compete. Their executives $weet talk enough senators to pass enough new standards and restrictions to squash the upstarts. Comically bad take. The last thing anyone in global auto wants is more regs. And those come from EPA and DOT, not really Congress. Congress just writes some open-ended crap and EPA/DOT/NHTSA decide to generate thousands of pages of regs based on two lines in a bill. The only thing the bigs want from Congress is a predictable tariff playing field. That's it. |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: Roxor get sold in the States, imported as a CKD still I think and assembled outside Detroit. Someone here knows a great deal about that and may share. I can say first hand there are better UTV choices. I'm hard pressed to see any advantage they hold. But they aren't entirely shit and if there's some early Willys attachment, maybe. IMO the only peeps who made out there were the attorneys. But like Africa, the attorneys always win. If someone here besides me knows anything about US Roxor production, the we almost certainly know each other, or at least know of each other. WRT to better UTV choices, depends on what you want it for. For blasting down trails at insane speeds and generally having fun, Roxor is not for you. If you want the durability of a steel body, conventional transmission, and a small diesel, then that is where the Roxor shines. Bear in mind that it is literally a Jeep CJ2 with minimal suspension improvements since WWII. It is bigger and heavier than most SxS's and in some respects more capable of ranch/corp off-road utility jobs. It is not far at all from the capability of the ancient 'Yota and Nissan PU's that GD loves, and is about as close to a HiLux as you can buy in the US in terms of driving dynamics. |
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Originally Posted By K30MuleLAR15: It will be a $21K truck until the government gets involved. It will be made out of used cardboard toyotas. pretty much this - no 'yet to be made' vehicle has survived construction without going through a SIGNIFICANT price rearrangement before release |
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Originally Posted By toby1: I' be happy with a version of the old Chevy LUV truck. I ran the wheels off of mine years ago. Those were actually made by Mitsubishi or Isuzu IIRC, and were pretty tough. |
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Originally Posted By VVinci: If someone here besides me knows anything about US Roxor production, the we almost certainly know each other, or at least know of each other. WRT to better UTV choices, depends on what you want it for. For blasting down trails at insane speeds and generally having fun, Roxor is not for you. If you want the durability of a steel body, conventional transmission, and a small diesel, then that is where the Roxor shines. Bear in mind that it is literally a Jeep CJ2 with minimal suspension improvements since WWII. It is bigger and heavier than most SxS's and in some respects more capable of ranch/corp off-road utility jobs. It is not far at all from the capability of the ancient 'Yota and Nissan PU's that GD loves, and is about as close to a HiLux as you can buy in the US in terms of driving dynamics. Originally Posted By VVinci: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Roxor get sold in the States, imported as a CKD still I think and assembled outside Detroit. Someone here knows a great deal about that and may share. I can say first hand there are better UTV choices. I'm hard pressed to see any advantage they hold. But they aren't entirely shit and if there's some early Willys attachment, maybe. IMO the only peeps who made out there were the attorneys. But like Africa, the attorneys always win. If someone here besides me knows anything about US Roxor production, the we almost certainly know each other, or at least know of each other. WRT to better UTV choices, depends on what you want it for. For blasting down trails at insane speeds and generally having fun, Roxor is not for you. If you want the durability of a steel body, conventional transmission, and a small diesel, then that is where the Roxor shines. Bear in mind that it is literally a Jeep CJ2 with minimal suspension improvements since WWII. It is bigger and heavier than most SxS's and in some respects more capable of ranch/corp off-road utility jobs. It is not far at all from the capability of the ancient 'Yota and Nissan PU's that GD loves, and is about as close to a HiLux as you can buy in the US in terms of driving dynamics. I've said many times if they were street legal I'd already have one. Friend has a couple and they are a lot of fun but the people that have never been around old vehicles are in for a rude experience. I still think they should have come up with an engine swap kit as diesel swaps seem to be all the rage. |
BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.
People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.
People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
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Originally Posted By VVinci: If someone besides me knows anything about US Roxor production, the we almost certainly know each other, or at least know of each other. WRT to better UTV choices, depends on what you want it for. For blasting down trails at insane speeds and generally having fun, Roxor is not for you. If you want the durability of a steel body, conventional transmission, and a small diesel, then that is where the Roxor shines. Bear in mind that it is literally a Jeep CJ2 with minimal suspension improvements since WWII. It is bigger and heavier than most SxS's and in some respects more capable of ranch/corp off-road utility jobs. It is not far at all from the capability of the ancient 'Yota and Nissan PU's that GD loves, and is about as close to a HiLux as you can buy in the US in terms of driving dynamics. Have a good bit of time in Roxors and a bit in older Thars. Don't disagree which is why I added the caveat about Willys. The main attraction, simplistic. The 2.5 oil burner is a nice evolution of the previous. But I still think there are better work platforms and as you note more appropriate go-fast models. YXZ1000R 5spds have been my choice. I'm interested to see how the 6 helps low end. Don't crawl much in SxS tho. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I've said many times if they were street legal I'd already have one. Friend has a couple and they are a lot of fun but the people that have never been around old vehicles are in for a rude experience. I still think they should have come up with an engine swap kit as diesel swaps seem to be all the rage. Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By VVinci: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Roxor get sold in the States, imported as a CKD still I think and assembled outside Detroit. Someone here knows a great deal about that and may share. I can say first hand there are better UTV choices. I'm hard pressed to see any advantage they hold. But they aren't entirely shit and if there's some early Willys attachment, maybe. IMO the only peeps who made out there were the attorneys. But like Africa, the attorneys always win. If someone here besides me knows anything about US Roxor production, the we almost certainly know each other, or at least know of each other. WRT to better UTV choices, depends on what you want it for. For blasting down trails at insane speeds and generally having fun, Roxor is not for you. If you want the durability of a steel body, conventional transmission, and a small diesel, then that is where the Roxor shines. Bear in mind that it is literally a Jeep CJ2 with minimal suspension improvements since WWII. It is bigger and heavier than most SxS's and in some respects more capable of ranch/corp off-road utility jobs. It is not far at all from the capability of the ancient 'Yota and Nissan PU's that GD loves, and is about as close to a HiLux as you can buy in the US in terms of driving dynamics. I've said many times if they were street legal I'd already have one. Friend has a couple and they are a lot of fun but the people that have never been around old vehicles are in for a rude experience. I still think they should have come up with an engine swap kit as diesel swaps seem to be all the rage. Where and what are we swapping? |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: Where and what are we swapping? Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By VVinci: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Roxor get sold in the States, imported as a CKD still I think and assembled outside Detroit. Someone here knows a great deal about that and may share. I can say first hand there are better UTV choices. I'm hard pressed to see any advantage they hold. But they aren't entirely shit and if there's some early Willys attachment, maybe. IMO the only peeps who made out there were the attorneys. But like Africa, the attorneys always win. If someone here besides me knows anything about US Roxor production, the we almost certainly know each other, or at least know of each other. WRT to better UTV choices, depends on what you want it for. For blasting down trails at insane speeds and generally having fun, Roxor is not for you. If you want the durability of a steel body, conventional transmission, and a small diesel, then that is where the Roxor shines. Bear in mind that it is literally a Jeep CJ2 with minimal suspension improvements since WWII. It is bigger and heavier than most SxS's and in some respects more capable of ranch/corp off-road utility jobs. It is not far at all from the capability of the ancient 'Yota and Nissan PU's that GD loves, and is about as close to a HiLux as you can buy in the US in terms of driving dynamics. I've said many times if they were street legal I'd already have one. Friend has a couple and they are a lot of fun but the people that have never been around old vehicles are in for a rude experience. I still think they should have come up with an engine swap kit as diesel swaps seem to be all the rage. Where and what are we swapping? Older Jeeps was my first thought. Dudes are swapping TDI's into everything because they are cheap and available. I always figured Mahindra could be pretty competitive price wise. Whole different world from the Cummins R2.8 which they sell for 10 grand so maybe there's an in between. |
BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.
People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.
People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
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Originally Posted By Ayada: Aptera has burned through millions to get to the point of having a concept they can use to try to (and mostly fail at) get that sweet investment money to get them across the line. This guy has a 100k in “reservations” and a nano banana subscription, not the greatest starting point to convince investors to jump in at the chance to make a low margin truck. According to AI the Aptera has a 50-60% chance of going to production and they already have a working prototype: The odds that Aptera actually builds and delivers customer vehicles are higher than ever before, but significant financial barriers remain. An objective assessment puts the odds of achieving retail production around 50% to 60%. Validation Line Success: Aptera successfully transitioned from hand-building prototypes to a structured, 14-station low-volume validation assembly line in Carlsbad, California. They have already driven their first physical validation vehicles off this line. The company boasts a backlog of approximately 49,000 to 50,000 pre-orders, representing over $1.7 billion in potential revenue. Aptera currently has around $17.7 million in cash on hand but estimates it needs an additional $40 million to $70 million just to purchase the manufacturing tooling, finalize crash testing, and begin initial production. : The company has missed every major delivery milestone it has set since 2021. Initially, first deliveries were targeted for June 2026. Because they still lack the funding for final production tooling, deliveries have inevitably shifted out. Industry reports indicate that some of Aptera's seed investments are conditional on rolling out production vehicles, creating an incredibly tight financial clock. This truck? Doesn't even have a prototype. |
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Originally Posted By VVinci: Comically bad take. The last thing anyone in global auto wants is more regs. And those come from EPA and DOT, not really Congress. Congress just writes some open-ended crap and EPA/DOT/NHTSA decide to generate thousands of pages of regs based on two lines in a bill. The only thing the bigs want from Congress is a predictable tariff playing field. That's it. No. The large players actively engage with global governments on regulations. They do not want startups taking market share. They want a moat around their business. The way Mercedes Benz attacked Europa for importing G wagens into the US Market when Mercedes didn't want to is epic history. Mercedes-Benz’s first line of attack wasn't against Europa specifically, but against the entire American "gray market." Annoyed that independent importers were undercutting official dealership prices and importing models Mercedes didn't want to support, Mercedes-Benz spent millions of dollars lobbying Congress This resulted in the Imported Vehicle Safety Compliance Act of 1988, which established the infamous "25-year import rule". The law made it practically impossible for individual shops to modify foreign cars to U.S. spec unless they underwent prohibitively expensive, destructive crash-testing and emissions testing |