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Posted: 12/31/2020 8:21:54 AM EDT
Trump's big policy win: stronger showers, faster dishwashers. TODD C. FRANKEL DECEMBER 30, 2020 President Donald Trump was on a roll, standing before an adoring crowd in Carson City, Nev., just a couple weeks before the 2020 election, and letting loose with a favorite campaign-trail complaint: Dishwashers don't work like they used to. Shower heads dribble. Toilets are slow. It was hard to tell how seriously to take Trump. The topic was light. It wasn't tax cuts or covid-19. The crowd cheered and laughed as he talked. Trump teased that he really shouldn't even be talking about "the fact that people have to flush their toilet 15 times." But showers were the worst, he said. "No water comes out. And me, I want that hair to be so beautiful," he said. A few days later, the Trump administration rolled back long-standing rules for dishwashers to allow them to consume unlimited amounts of water and energy. Then in late December, the Department of Energy announced it had changed the rules for shower heads and washing machines to allow the water to really pour out. Trump won't get his southern border wall finished before he leaves office. Obamacare has not been repealed. "Infrastructure week" never came. And while he has notched some notable policy wins, such as immigration limits, it is Trump's push to deregulate common household appliances that remains a puzzling policy success. Last summer, Trump described his push as aimed at "bringing back consumer choice in home appliances." He was echoed by Secretary of Energy Dan Brouillette this month when he said in a release that the administration's rule changes "affirmed its commitment to reducing regulatory burdens and safeguarding consumer choice." But almost no one was asking for these choices. Consumers were not clamoring. Manufacturers of shower heads and dishwashers found themselves in the unusual spot of mostly opposing the proposed changes, saying there was no need. Consumer and environmental advocacy groups objected, arguing the changes were costly and wasteful. Product testing firms cast doubt on the purported benefits of the proposals. "It was a regulatory solution in search of a problem - a problem that doesn't really exist," said Kerry Stackpole, executive director of Plumbing Manufacturers International, a leading trade group. One of the few cheerleaders for the new rules was the Competitive Enterprise Institute. "Between the dishwasher rule and the two other ones that came out, we think it's nice that Washington is finally doing things that will stop consumers from being soaked," said Sam Kazman, the conservative-leaning advocacy group's general counsel. Trump was targeting water and energy regulations that had been on the books for decades in some cases, since Ronald Reagan and the Bushes. The Obama administration made changes to some of the regulations. But the rules were a rare area where conservationists and manufacturers shared broad agreement on the goal of saving water and energy. At first, when most of the new regulations were introduced in the 1990s, companies struggled to create efficient products that performed well. It wasn't easy to slash water use in shower heads by 30% or toilets by more than half without creating problems. Then the engineers and designers went to work. Today, product testing groups say, these appliances by and large work better than ever. But then Trump began criticizing them. "Anybody have a new dishwasher?" Trump asked the crowd at a campaign rally in Milwaukee last January. "I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for that. It's worthless. They give you so little water." "So, shower heads," Trump said at the White House in July. "You take a shower, the water doesn't come out. You want to wash your hands, the water doesn't come out. So what do you do? You just stand there longer or you take a shower longer? Because my hair - I don't know about you, but it has to be perfect. Perfect." Trump seemed to have found a topic with broad appeal. "It became a regular riff in the last 12 months," said Andrew deLaski, executive director of the Appliance Standards Awareness Project, a consumer and environmental advocacy group. "It sent off a fervor at the agencies." DeLaski said he could imagine agency staff wondering, "Now what do we do?" This was different from another product Trump targeted for abuse: lightbulbs. Trump complained energy-efficient lightbulbs made him look orange. In late 2019, his administration blocked an energy efficiency rule that would have banned the sale of most halogen and incandescent bulbs on Jan. 1, 2020. But the new rules also had faced opposition from the lighting industry. And consumers, too, had concerns about the disappearance of incandescent bulbs. Trump's problems with shower heads and dishwashers seemed to be shared by a much narrower audience. "The marketplace was not asking for this," Stackpole said. Trump's administration also couldn't just create new efficiency standards. The rules were contained in laws passed by Congress. So his administration was forced to nibble around the edges. Policy surrounding dishwashers was the long-running effort. The Competitive Enterprise Institute filed a petition in 2018 asking the government to allow for a new, faster class of dishwashers. The stated goal was a cycle time under one hour. And that could be achieved by lifting caps on water use, according to the petition. Dishwasher makers objected, arguing customers weren't asking for this. They also pointed out that the one-hour option could be found on almost all dishwashers shipped since 2017. But the Department of Energy passed a rule allowing for this new class of dishwashers in October. A similar rule was passed for laundry washers and dryers in December. The Trump administration's new shower head rule didn't simply permit unlimited amounts of water. Shower heads were still capped at 2.5 gallons per minute. Instead, the agency offered a new interpretation of existing rules, stating that water flow should be measured by each shower head, not the total for a shower stall. So multiple shower heads could be used together to put out more water. A shower with an overhead rainfall head and a separate shower sprayer could put out 5 gallons per minute, for example. One popular item is what the industry calls an octopus shower head, with at least three heads tied together - even eight heads. The old rules limited that kind of shower head's entire output to 2.5 gallons per minute. The new rules allow for 7.5 gallons per minute with three heads. That would empty a residential hot-water heater pretty fast, said Stackpole. "And you'll feel like you're drowning," he said. With the term winding down, the Trump administration has showed no signs of rolling back rules for water faucets or toilets, advocacy groups said. Trump's talk of toilets was the part of his appliance complaints where his audience laughed, and the president liked to accuse the media of paying too much attention. Federal rules limit toilets to 1.6 gallons per flush, down from 3.5 or even 5 gallons per flush. Some states have set even stricter limits to conserve water. But a new federal toilet rule appears likely to be left unfinished when Trump leaves office. View Quote |
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"It was a regulatory solution in search of a problem - a problem that doesn't really exist," Oh the sweet, sweet irony. |
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These week toilits and showers are a conspiracy started by Big Water in order to tax you more. You actually use more water flushing so mch and I need like 3 shurs a day.
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Something almost no one asked for?
Our 1980s era dishwasher crapped out and we've had two since then. They take forever (there is a fast mode but it's not that great) when I'm home with the kids, and usually my wife has just decided to cook and she messes up every pot and pan kn he house, I spend a day runnning a load, then when it's finally done I run another, all day long |
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Couldnt expand the 2nd or lower deficit but works hard on shit like this?
Where is his head? |
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States with water shortages will just demand they keep the same standard to be sold in their states.
How about you unfuck what you did with bump devices? |
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Quoted: What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Please tell me my sarcasm meter is just fucked up this morning. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Then how much is the lobby paying you to post your brainwashing lunacy here? What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Please tell me my sarcasm meter is just fucked up this morning. Lol, lol! |
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Quoted: Is your meter what you use to measure the Fluoride in the water View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Please tell me my sarcasm meter is just fucked up this morning. Is your meter what you use to measure the Fluoride in the water I'm dying! |
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My house had ugly 70's toilets. Jade green, some shade of yellow, and almond color. Wife nagged and nagged to get new toilets. I bought new ones for her bathroom, the guest bathroom, and refused to get one for my bathroom.
In 7 years of my wife and daughter using their bathroom I never had to plunge the ugly toilet. Now I'm plunging the new pretty toilet at least once a month. I hate low flush toilets. |
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Quoted: Bitter irony, is more like it, as I watched the flames consume my bump-fire stock as it lay inside my burn-barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: "It was a regulatory solution in search of a problem - a problem that doesn't really exist," Oh the sweet, sweet irony. Bitter irony, is more like it, as I watched the flames consume my bump-fire stock as it lay inside my burn-barrel. No kidding. Damn Shower Head Coalition beat the 2nd Amendment Coalition. |
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Quoted: Is your meter what you use to measure the Fluoride in the water View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Please tell me my sarcasm meter is just fucked up this morning. Is your meter what you use to measure the Fluoride in the water Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face? |
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Quoted: No kidding. Damn Shower Head Coalition beat the 2nd Amendment Coalition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "It was a regulatory solution in search of a problem - a problem that doesn't really exist," Oh the sweet, sweet irony. Bitter irony, is more like it, as I watched the flames consume my bump-fire stock as it lay inside my burn-barrel. No kidding. Damn Shower Head Coalition beat the 2nd Amendment Coalition. Maybe Ivanka was the head of that commission. Wet, soapy Ivanka.... Mmmmm.. I’m sorry, what were we talking about? |
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Quoted: My house had ugly 70's toilets. Jade green, some shade of yellow, and almond color. Wife nagged and nagged to get new toilets. I bought new ones for her bathroom, the guest bathroom, and refused to get one for my bathroom. In 7 years of my wife and daughter using their bathroom I never had to plunge the ugly toilet. Now I'm plunging the new pretty toilet at least once a month. I hate low flush toilets. View Quote Installed a brand new toilet in September. Not a cheap one either mind you. My 8 yo can choke that thing like nobodies business. And for whatever fucking reason the plunger doesn't fit. Had to get out the closet snake. FML. On the upside I don't think it's actually capable of overflowing. |
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As long as i'm upgrading my shower, would this be a good addition too?
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Quoted: Bitter irony, is more like it, as I watched the flames consume my bump-fire stock as it lay inside my burn-barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: "It was a regulatory solution in search of a problem - a problem that doesn't really exist," Oh the sweet, sweet irony. Bitter irony, is more like it, as I watched the flames consume my bump-fire stock as it lay inside my burn-barrel. That’s on you. A free man doesn’t ask permission. |
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I've had to replace three toilets. These were the new low flow save the planet toilets. I remember it was the 1994 Republican congress that passed that steaming pile of corporate pork. Still angry at Mr. Newt for that.
One of them was so bad I had to use the plunger every fourth or fifth duce I dropped. I wanted to unload a magazine on the fucking thing. There was a while I stopped shitting at home because no matter what I did, I had to plunge. The latest generation of low flow toilets is much better than the early models (mid to late 90s). Have not had any problems since replacing with a Turd-O-Matic 3000. I guess that's what 25 years of government mandated updates and the associated profits to the porcelain industry have given us. B |
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Quoted: Maybe Ivanka was the head of that commission. Wet, soapy Ivanka.... Mmmmm.. I’m sorry, what were we talking about? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "It was a regulatory solution in search of a problem - a problem that doesn't really exist," Oh the sweet, sweet irony. Bitter irony, is more like it, as I watched the flames consume my bump-fire stock as it lay inside my burn-barrel. No kidding. Damn Shower Head Coalition beat the 2nd Amendment Coalition. Maybe Ivanka was the head of that commission. Wet, soapy Ivanka.... Mmmmm.. I’m sorry, what were we talking about? |
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Quoted: Remember Al and his Ferguson? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/Wikia_MWC_-_Ferguson_png-1756420.JPG View Quote BaWhooosh! |
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Can we buy gas cans that are worth a fuck yet?
I need more Scepter MFCs. |
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8+ trillion added to the debt,no pro 2nd stuff,and actually more restrictions added,and hillary and company still walking free.
Ability to buy higher flow showerheads-priceless. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Remember Al and his Ferguson? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/71410/Wikia_MWC_-_Ferguson_png-1756420.JPG BaWhooosh! Peg, undercook me some chicken. |
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Quoted: Can someone post a link to order a good shower head? View Quote I got this idea from Arfcom years ago. It looks cheap, but performs great. Siroflex shower head |
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This move was so MAGA. In before the NeverTrumpers come and tell us this was a worthless move that had nothing to do with MAGA. So much winning!
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But gas cans still suck.
And don't bother posting all the ways to retrofit the fucking can. I want to buy it as-is ready to go like it should be. Tony |
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Good move.
Ever have to buy a dishwasher? You either spend 300 for a shitty one that doesn't get the dishes clean and sounds like an Kenworth. Or 800 for one that works. All because of Gov regulations. I just got a new shower head for the master bath. I just pulled the water restrictor plate out. |
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Quoted: No kidding. Damn Shower Head Coalition beat the 2nd Amendment Coalition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "It was a regulatory solution in search of a problem - a problem that doesn't really exist," Oh the sweet, sweet irony. Bitter irony, is more like it, as I watched the flames consume my bump-fire stock as it lay inside my burn-barrel. No kidding. Damn Shower Head Coalition beat the 2nd Amendment Coalition. Any 2A coalition with the NRA on it isn't actually FOR the 2A... |
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Club Paradise - Shower |
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