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Just wait until ‘If you don’t get jab 5000, we’ll disable your car’.
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Quoted: The phone app works by a Bluetooth connection between the phone, where your credentials are stored, and the car. Tesla isn’t involved. And anyway, even if this did happen, which I don’t see how it could unless you logged out of the app and had to log back in, you can still use your card, which you should always have in your wallet. View Quote +1 on having your backup card. The same goes for your keys even if you have keyless entry at home, etc. Kharn |
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Quoted: Old news. Since your boomer cars don't even have an app to control them, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference. You could still get into the Tesla and drive normally using your keyfob, just like a boomer car. View Quote Ford, Subaru, Toyota, e.t.c all have apps to control them to a limited extent, such as remote start. If you don't pay the annual subscription fee, they cut off the functionality. Kharn |
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"Start their cars"
I don't own an EV, someone please explain. Thanks. |
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Big Brother wanting to control every aspect of your life!
Nah, that's crazy talk........ |
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Quoted: My neighbor said it had become too big a job to be a Tesla owner….and he owned two computer companies in the 70’s….so pretty tech savvy. View Quote That's like saying someone who flew a P51 in WWII should be able to fly a F15, they're both 40+ years apart across huge changes in their industries. Kharn |
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Quoted: What if you didn't have the key fob on you? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Old news. Since your boomer cars don't even have an app to control them, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference. You could still get into the Tesla and drive normally using your keyfob, just like a boomer car. What if you didn’t have your keys? I always have my key card and/or fob with me. Relying on just the phone key would be pretty dumb. It’s pretty simple. |
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Not reading the replies.
Have we done the "give me a car with crank windows" yet? |
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Quoted: Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Joke's on you. Since 2010 telematics is standard in all cars, at least here in the states. Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. ETA: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 |
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Quoted: You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joke's on you. Since 2010 telematics is standard in all cars, at least here in the states. Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. There is nothing like that in my Jeep. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joke's on you. Since 2010 telematics is standard in all cars, at least here in the states. Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. There is nothing like that in my Jeep. Because the ETA was too late: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 |
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Quoted: Because the ETA was too late: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1R0AAOSwCgBexqkP/s-l1600.jpg View Quote Nope. They need antennae. I have simple no GPS radio and only FM Am antennae. |
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Quoted: Psst... So is what makes the American dollar worth anything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Isn't Bitcoin on servers? Yea, last thing I trust is a server for anything reliable. Psst... So is what makes the American dollar worth anything. Our track record is just a little bit longer. |
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Quoted: Nope. They need antennae. I have simple no GPS radio and only FM Am antennae. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Because the ETA was too late: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1R0AAOSwCgBexqkP/s-l1600.jpg Nope. They need antennae. I have simple no GPS radio and only FM Am antennae. I worked installing LMR radios from the age of 13 to about the age 30. Guess what one of the things were that we installed. Yep, regular looking auto antennas that had leads for the car radio ... AND the LMR radios. Out of one antenna. If your car has a radio, it has an antenna. You're trying to ignore reality. I suggest you go ask some jeep techs, if you're going to be stone-headed about this. |
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Quoted: I worked installing LMR radios from the age of 13 to about the age 30. Guess what one of the things were that we installed. Yep, regular looking auto antennas that had leads for the car radio ... AND the LMR radios. Out of one antenna. If your car has a radio, it has an antenna. You're trying to ignore reality. I suggest you go ask some jeep techs, if you're going to be stone-headed about this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because the ETA was too late: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1R0AAOSwCgBexqkP/s-l1600.jpg Nope. They need antennae. I have simple no GPS radio and only FM Am antennae. I worked installing LMR radios from the age of 13 to about the age 30. Guess what one of the things were that we installed. Yep, regular looking auto antennas that had leads for the car radio ... AND the LMR radios. Out of one antenna. If your car has a radio, it has an antenna. You're trying to ignore reality. I suggest you go ask some jeep techs, if you're going to be stone-headed about this. There is no way that I need to be hooked up to any outside source to start my Jeep. I am not hard headed there is no way anyone can shut down my Jeep remotely. |
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And the head of the department of energy wants all of us peons to be driving electric cars. LOL, not in my lifetime
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Quoted: There is no way that I need to be hooked up to any outside source to start my Jeep. I am not hard headed there is no way anyone can shut down my Jeep remotely. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because the ETA was too late: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1R0AAOSwCgBexqkP/s-l1600.jpg Nope. They need antennae. I have simple no GPS radio and only FM Am antennae. I worked installing LMR radios from the age of 13 to about the age 30. Guess what one of the things were that we installed. Yep, regular looking auto antennas that had leads for the car radio ... AND the LMR radios. Out of one antenna. If your car has a radio, it has an antenna. You're trying to ignore reality. I suggest you go ask some jeep techs, if you're going to be stone-headed about this. There is no way that I need to be hooked up to any outside source to start my Jeep. I am not hard headed there is no way anyone can shut down my Jeep remotely. https://archive.md/20190818200434/https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ Also, does the fact that your vehicle is trackable everywhere there's cell coverage not even begin to tweak a nerve? Normalcy bias is a heck of a thing. You're suffering from it. |
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Quoted: https://archive.md/20190818200434/https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ Also, does the fact that your vehicle is trackable everywhere there's cell coverage not even begin to tweak a nerve? Normalcy bias is a heck of a thing. You're suffering from it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because the ETA was too late: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1R0AAOSwCgBexqkP/s-l1600.jpg Nope. They need antennae. I have simple no GPS radio and only FM Am antennae. I worked installing LMR radios from the age of 13 to about the age 30. Guess what one of the things were that we installed. Yep, regular looking auto antennas that had leads for the car radio ... AND the LMR radios. Out of one antenna. If your car has a radio, it has an antenna. You're trying to ignore reality. I suggest you go ask some jeep techs, if you're going to be stone-headed about this. There is no way that I need to be hooked up to any outside source to start my Jeep. I am not hard headed there is no way anyone can shut down my Jeep remotely. https://archive.md/20190818200434/https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ Also, does the fact that your vehicle is trackable everywhere there's cell coverage not even begin to tweak a nerve? Normalcy bias is a heck of a thing. You're suffering from it. I never claimed that they cannot track vehicles. Again there is no way that I need an outside source to start my Jeep. |
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Quoted: You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. ETA: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joke's on you. Since 2010 telematics is standard in all cars, at least here in the states. Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. ETA: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 You say this like it’s a bad thing? I’d love to yank every goddamn antenna out of my vehicle, save FM. |
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Quoted: I never claimed that they cannot track vehicles. Again there is no way that I need an outside source to start my Jeep. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because the ETA was too late: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1R0AAOSwCgBexqkP/s-l1600.jpg Nope. They need antennae. I have simple no GPS radio and only FM Am antennae. I worked installing LMR radios from the age of 13 to about the age 30. Guess what one of the things were that we installed. Yep, regular looking auto antennas that had leads for the car radio ... AND the LMR radios. Out of one antenna. If your car has a radio, it has an antenna. You're trying to ignore reality. I suggest you go ask some jeep techs, if you're going to be stone-headed about this. There is no way that I need to be hooked up to any outside source to start my Jeep. I am not hard headed there is no way anyone can shut down my Jeep remotely. https://archive.md/20190818200434/https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ Also, does the fact that your vehicle is trackable everywhere there's cell coverage not even begin to tweak a nerve? Normalcy bias is a heck of a thing. You're suffering from it. I never claimed that they cannot track vehicles. Again there is no way that I need an outside source to start my Jeep. OH. You didn't read my post that you replied to initially. Quoted: Rofl. Cold day in hell before I drive anything that relies on the internet to function. "But you have the card!" You're a dumbass if you willingly drive a car that can even minutely be manipulated via an internet connection. And no I dont have onstar or similar either. That's what I replied to. You came in with your own presumption. My presumption is that you ... read what I replied to. |
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So you can't use your phone as a proximity key, but appears the car will still work just fine with a normal key/fob.
The phone app can't hit the server to verify the operation of the car. Sounds like poor planning by owners not having an actual fob with them. I guess people think the phone actually "talks" directly to the car. |
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Quoted: You say this like it’s a bad thing? I’d love to yank every goddamn antenna out of my vehicle, save FM. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joke's on you. Since 2010 telematics is standard in all cars, at least here in the states. Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. ETA: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 You say this like it’s a bad thing? I’d love to yank every goddamn antenna out of my vehicle, save FM. Tell me you didn't even click any of the other links and look at the titles of the articles they linked ... without saying you didn't. Hint: the other articles will MAKE you want to rip out all the other antennas. I suspect dealer techs and auto mechanics now even get requests to unplug these systems. |
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Quoted: Yep. MY list of "stock piled" vehicles, actually. MOST with vent windows AND all with crank windows. Carpet optional, cloth seats required, I thank you! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not reading the replies. Have we done the "give me a car with crank windows" yet? Yep. MY list of "stock piled" vehicles, actually. MOST with vent windows AND all with crank windows. Carpet optional, cloth seats required, I thank you! Sorry, my purity test is you minimally have to have the original high/low beam switch on the floor. Prefer 1972 or earlier mopar. |
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Quoted: I guess people think the phone actually "talks" directly to the car. View Quote The Tesla does. You can control your car remotely using your phone (Internet required) or locally using either your keyfob or your phone with Bluetooth only. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_tw/GUID-E004FAB7-1C71-448F-9492-CACF301304D2.html |
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Quoted: So you can't use your phone as a proximity key, but appears the car will still work just fine with a normal key/fob. The phone app can't hit the server to verify the operation of the car. Sounds like poor planning by owners not having an actual fob with them. I guess people think the phone actually "talks" directly to the car. View Quote I dunno, I think it's a bit much to call it poor planning when the entire point of being able to use your phone as a key was so that the owners didn't have to carry a fob with them. You might as well say everyone who is stranded with a dead battery just planned poorly for not having a spare in the back. What really is the issue is that there should have still been some way for those owners who were using the app as a key to get the car mobile without having to depend on the connection to Tesla's services. Even something simple as an auth token on the phone would have worked. |
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Quoted: You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. ETA: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joke's on you. Since 2010 telematics is standard in all cars, at least here in the states. Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. ETA: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 Privacy through obselesence (sp) |
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Quoted: The phone app works by a Bluetooth connection between the phone, where your credentials are stored, and the car. Tesla isn’t involved. And anyway, even if this did happen, which I don’t see how it could unless you logged out of the app and had to log back in, you can still use your card, which you should always have in your wallet. View Quote Wait so.. I mean... Yeah nevermind |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Joke's on you. Since 2010 telematics is standard in all cars, at least here in the states. Bull shit. Point out where that is in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler. You aren't going to like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematics https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7adn9/car-location-data-telematics-us-military-ulysses-group https://gizmodo.com/this-surveillance-company-claims-it-can-track-nearly-an-1846494534 https://www.makeuseof.com/3g-shutdown-car-become-obsolete/ 3G Shutdown: Is Your Car About to Become Obsolete? By Jowi Morales Published Sep 24, 2021 3G networks are beginning to close down. Little did you know, your car might go offline with them. an old Ford Model T sitting crashed and abandoned on a street As technology evolves, it's natural for older, outdated tech to be phased out. It happened with the 2G cellular network when AT&T stopped its service in 2017. It's now happening with the 3G network. But as companies shut off their legacy services, unintended consequences pop up: the loss of car safety features. But why did this happen? How is the 3G shutdown affecting car safety? And can anything be done about it? Technological Evolution 5G connectivity and the internet of things By now, you probably have heard of 5G technology and how it's rolling out in many cities right now. Most new handsets tout themselves as 5G-ready or 5G-capable, and even carriers are making big news out of their 5G coverage. 5G is the latest cellular network standard, offering up to 20 times faster speeds than 4G. And as more and more users switch to newer handsets that support 4G and 5G technology, there are fewer users of older 3G technology. For this reason, many carriers are opting to switch their older cellular coverage off for good. After all, aside from saving money on maintenance, they also need to return the radio frequencies they're not using for other applications. 3G Switch-Off: Your Car Doesn't Work Properly Anymore However, it's not just phones that rely on 3G technology. You may be surprised, but many vehicles also use 3G. Both commercial fleets and everyday passenger vehicles use this technology for service communication, specifically telematics. Telematics use technologies like GPS tracking, systems monitoring, and onboard diagnostics to wirelessly monitor and control a vehicle. For commercial fleets, this is generally used to monitor your fleet's location and status. But for passenger vehicles, telematics offers so much more. Makers offered services like OnStar, Enform, BMW Assist, and more. These use telematics technology to communicate with the manufacturer's servers and process your car's data. Related: Everything We Know About the Apple Car So aside from showing your location and the surrounding traffic situation on your car's built-in navigation system, they also provide convenience. If equipped, users can use this to start their car remotely and handle its systems like climate control. More importantly, crash detection technology that automatically dials 911 in case of an emergency also uses telematics. While recent cars come equipped with 4G and 5G antennas that will work after 3G services have stopped, several older models are only equipped with 3G technology. That's why 3G deactivation will have a significant impact on the motoring industry. Unlike smartphones, which users typically replace in two and a half years, vehicles could last up to 10 years or more. car navigation services on a dashboard This is the chief complaint of users who bought a telematics-equipped vehicle. During the height of 3G technology, most cars equipped with this tech were pricier luxury models. Furthermore, buyers who opted for this advanced (for the time) technology package had to pay a premium above the sticker price. After all, when you buy a car, you expect to enjoy all of the features you purchased for the car's lifetime. However, with the sunset of 3G communications, vehicles equipped with 3G telematics will lose these extra features. Sure, you can still drive the car. But you're essentially losing a function that could have been the deciding factor of your purchase. It's like buying a car with an audio player, only for you to find out that you're losing this feature seven years down the line. cassette tape held in a car It's not because of some mishap or accident. It just so happens that it's obsolete. And it's unlike the cassette or CD players in old cars where you can still use old tapes or discs you have in stock. When 3G turns off, you cannot use the service. There is no network on which to broadcast or receive data. Will Smartphones Stop Working? However, this is unlikely to become as big an issue among mobile phone users. After all, most users get a new phone every two and a half years. Besides, you can get a refurbished 4G phone fairly cheap these days, and even the latest phones (perhaps equipped with 5G) only cost around $1000. But if you have to get a new vehicle because your 3G service doesn't work anymore, you'll likely have to fork out over tens of thousands of dollars. Even decent used cars (with no telematics) could set you back thousands. What Car Manufacturers Can Do If you're a fleet owner, upgrading your telematics device is pretty simple—all you have to do is contact your provider ask them for an upgrade. You likely don't have to buy a new truck or van; you just have to replace the device they provide. But for passenger car owners, this is a bit more complicated. Since these systems are integrated into your car's dash or even into your car's electronic control unit, you might have to bring it back to your dealer for an upgrade—if they offer one. Car owners from several brands, like Lexus, Toyota, and BMW, have already received emails that they'll no longer enjoy these services once 3G is gone. But on the other hand, GM car owners may have a glimmer of hope. Related: Awesome DIY Arduino Projects to Upgrade Your Car Older vehicles retain communications with OnStar services because the systems in these cars are mostly compatible with 3G and 4G systems. In Canada, when the 2G cellular network was decommissioned, GM upgraded customer hardware at no cost. For earlier-model Teslas, the company offers a $200 upgrade to its customers. This ensures they can continue enjoying the car's advanced wireless features without having to spend a lot of money. One proposed solution is for carmakers to offer a plug-in 4G or 5G antenna via the car's OBD II port. This allows users to retain their telematics services at a relatively low cost or even free of charge if the manufacturer chooses to do so. However, as of now, no manufacturer has offered this solution. Alternatively, OnStar now offers an app for your phone that offers a similar feature. But instead of using your car's sensors, it uses your smartphone to detect a crash or other emergencies. Since most drivers have similarly capable devices in their pockets today, maybe carmakers could offer something similar instead. These Cars Are About to Lose 3G Connectivity A Toyota RAV4 Not all car models will be affected by the 3G shutdown. In fact, most affected models were released between 2010 and 2018. Of course, if your vehicle does not have any wireless connectivity service, then you need not worry, as it's not affected. For Lexus, the Lexus GX from 2010 to 2018 will lose the Enform service. For Toyota, Safety Connect will no longer work for the following cars: Toyota 4Runner from 2010 to 2019 Toyota Avalon from 2013 to 2018 Toyota Camry from 2013 to 2017 Toyota Highlander from 2014 to 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser from 2011 to 2017 Toyota Mirai from 2016 to 2017 Toyota Prius from 2010 to 2016 Toyota Prius Plug-in from 2012 to 2015 Toyota Prius V from 2012 to 2016 Toyota RAV4 EV from 2012 to 2014 Toyota Sienna from 2011 to 2017 The following Audi models are also affected: Audi A3 from 2014 to 2016 Audi A3 e-tron from 2016 to 2018 Audi A4 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A5 from 2013 to 2018 Audi A6 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A7 from 2012 to 2015 Audi A8 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q3 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q5 from 2012 to 2018 Audi Q7 from 2012 to 2018 Several other manufacturers like BMW and Volvo have also made announcements but have not released specific year models and vehicle lines. But whatever make and model you're driving, if you have 3G wireless service with your car, you should contact your dealer for instructions. A Future Problem In the past, connectivity problems were limited to luxury cars. However, as connected services became more affordable, the technology trickled down to more affordable passenger vehicles. As this becomes more and more prevalent, you can expect these wireless connectivity services to be in almost every car. When the time comes that 4G technology becomes obsolete, manufacturers will have to face millions of cars that need to be updated. By then, you can expect almost all vehicles to have onboard telematics tech. ETA: And here's your jeep wrangler's telematics module: https://www.ebay.com/itm/164214529180 Privacy through obselesence (sp) You might check the other links too. Cars Have Your Location. This Spy Firm Wants to Sell It to the U.S. Military 15 billion car locations. Nearly any country on Earth. ‘The Ulysses Group’ is pitching a powerful surveillance technology to the U.S. government. Joseph Cox by Joseph Cox March 17, 2021, 2:03pm Screen Shot 2021-02-24 at 3 Hacking. Disinformation. Surveillance. CYBER is Motherboard's podcast and reporting on the dark underbelly of the internet. See More ? A surveillance contractor that has previously sold services to the U.S. military is advertising a product that it says can locate the real-time locations of specific cars in nearly any country on Earth. It says it does this by using data collected and sent by the cars and their components themselves, according to a document obtained by Motherboard. "Ulysses can provide our clients with the ability to remotely geolocate vehicles in nearly every country except for North Korea and Cuba on a near real time basis," the document, written by contractor The Ulysses Group, reads. "Currently, we can access over 15 billion vehicle locations around the world every month," the document adds. ... and ... because people just don't seem to get it: https://www.eff.org/pages/automated-license-plate-readers-alpr Automated License Plate Readers (ALPRs)
Automated license plate readers (ALPRs) are high-speed, computer-controlled camera systems that are typically mounted on street poles, streetlights, highway overpasses, mobile trailers, or attached to police squad cars. ALPRs automatically capture all license plate numbers that come into view, along with the location, date, and time. The data, which includes photographs of the vehicle and sometimes its driver and passengers, is then uploaded to a central server. Vendors say that the information collected can be used by police to find out where a plate has been in the past, to determine whether a vehicle was at the scene of a crime, to identify travel patterns, and even to discover vehicles that may be associated with each other. Law enforcement agencies can choose to share their information with thousands of other agencies. |
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