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Posted: 2/10/2023 11:33:26 AM EDT
Hope? Too little too late?
Dave Cullen (one of the reviewers I like along with Drinker and RLM) was given early access to season 3 and he speaks well of it. Previously, he was very harsh on Picard (and other new Trek) like everyone else (Drinker, RLM, etc.) He claims he's not being swayed to say good things by being given early access, but I'm skeptical. Probably going to wait for Drinker to weigh in since I've sworn off all new trek (though I like strange new worlds).  My Thoughts on Star Trek: Picard Season 3 Thus Far… |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 11:52:56 AM EDT
[#1]
Liked the first season. Second was hit and miss. The childhood flashbacks got too frequent and boring.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:29:39 PM EDT
[#2]
 Drinker's Chasers - Robert Meyer-Burnett On Picard Season 3 |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:30:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Liked the first season. Second was hit and miss. The childhood flashbacks got too frequent and boring. You are .... generous |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:30:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Zombie IP's are going to be the death of entertainment if they don't stop soon.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Zombie IP's are going to be the death of entertainment if they don't stop soon. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:32:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Trek is dead to me after being woke fucked to death.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:35:35 PM EDT
[#7]
The second video with Drinker gives me even more hope. I may tune in to season 3.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:36:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Waiting on the drinker
Should have made him and James woods honorary members here long ago |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:37:22 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Waiting on the drinker Should have made him and James woods honorary members here long ago Check out the second video above. Though he hasn't seen it himself yet, he has someone that can be trusted on his after hours show. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:42:08 PM EDT
[#10]
It's better to just pretend this show doesn't exist. And anyone speaking about it is just the insane ramblings of a lunatic.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:49:56 PM EDT
[#11]
Star Trek: Picard = Star Trek: AARP
Star Trek: Discovery = Star Trek: LGBLMTQ |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:53:34 PM EDT
[#12]
Last season was decent, I look forward to this but Discovery is absolute trash. Strange New Worlds isn't bad but the trend is 'Woke-Trek' like every other show out there.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:56:29 PM EDT
[#13]
Those of you who like Picard, why?
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:02:06 PM EDT
[#14]
Isn't this an android that looks like Picard? I thought he died in the first season and was "downloaded" into a droid.
I never watched, but I thought I heard that. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:03:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this an android that looks like Picard? I thought he died in the first season and was "downloaded" into a droid. I never watched, but I thought I heard that. Yes. Both of the videos address that. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:19:24 PM EDT
[#16]
This is glorified cope.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:21:54 PM EDT
[#17]
7 of 9
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:32:12 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 7 of 9 Should have been named 2 of 36. 
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:34:56 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is glorified cope. Do mean that people are so desperate for good Trek that any slight improvement may seem like something good, but not really be? |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:50:01 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those of you who like Picard, why? This. I can't think of any reason you might even kind of like it. It's not trek and it's not picard. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 2:55:42 PM EDT
[#21]
I enjoyed season 1 because everyone treated Picard like a washed up old man.
I didn't watch season 2, yet. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 3:02:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do mean that people are so desperate for good Trek that any slight improvement may seem like something good, but not really be? |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 3:05:43 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those of you who like Picard, why? |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 3:09:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Couldn't even make it through the first episode so woke I fell asleep.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 3:14:09 PM EDT
[#25]
After the last go-'round, where they turned Q into an impotent, pathetic Putz, afraid of dying before getting a pat on the back and a "There, there, old chap!" from Picard, well, I won't be watching.
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Posted: 2/10/2023 3:33:22 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Yeah hence my skepticism. But these two vids combined have me hopeful. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 3:34:49 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I enjoyed season 1 because everyone treated Picard like a washed up old man. I didn't watch season 2, yet. I watched season 1 but haven't and will not watch season 2. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 3:54:39 PM EDT
[#28]
I'm only a casual Star Trek fan but liked Strange New Worlds. Pike has Kirk-like swagger and he's banging aliens so it doesn't seem nearly as woke-- despite playing up Uhuru too much. It's cool seeing a straight white male act like one.
In the flash to a possible future, they even showed how compromising, peace-seeking pussiness was a terrible mistake. Sometimes, aggression needs to be met with immediate violent repercussions. That was refreshing and seemed to go against the trend |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 8:25:45 PM EDT
[#29]
Robert Meyer Burnett, who has been actively involved in Trek production at various levels for decades and whom has been a big critic of Discovery and Picard to date, has said that Season 3 is a complete 180.
He and Doomcock have gotten into a bit of a back and forth over this recently and to be honest, I can see it from both sides of the debate. I trust RMB's opinion on the content given his experience with the franchise and agree with him that when content is good and shows the proper respect to cannon/source material, it should be rewarded. On the other hand Doomcock has said that they made the conscious choice to destroy Trek the way they have so far, even if S03 is good it's too little too late (it is only going to be a single season, Picard is supposed to be done after this), and that because of the damage they've done to the franchise to date it shouldn't be rewarded at all. As I said, both are very valid points of view and I don't think anyone is wrong whichever side of the line you fall on. I'm not sure if I'll watch it or not yet. I'm probably going to wait to see a few more respected takes on it. Regardless I won't be paying to see it. If Paramount does actually decide to unfuck Trek in the future and de-cannonize the damage they've done so far, I could see myself actively supporting them but, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.  SHOCKER! YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE EXCITED FOR PICARD SEASON THREE! ROBSERVATIONS Season Five #803  THE KURLAN NAISKOS - A PICARD AFTERSHOW w/Showrunner TERRY MATALAS and Captain Shaw TODD STASHWICK  I’M NO PAID STAR TREK PICARD SEASON 3 SHILL…I JUST LOVED THE SEASON!!! ROBSERVATIONS SEASON SIX #830  WITHOUT RESPECT YOU MUST REJECT. OKAY THEN...TIME TO ISSUE A STERN REJECTION. ROBSERVATIONS S6 #831 |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 8:52:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Robert Meyer Burnett, who has been actively involved in Trek production at various levels for decades and whom has been a big critic of Discovery and Picard to date, has said that Season 3 is a complete 180. He and Doomcock have gotten into a bit of a back and forth over this recently and to be honest, I can see it from both sides of the debate. I trust RMB's opinion on the content given his experience with the franchise and agree with him that when content is good and shows the proper respect to cannon/source material, it should be rewarded. On the other hand Doomcock has said that they made the conscious choice to destroy Trek the way they have so far, even if S03 is good it's too little too late (it is only going to be a single season, Picard is supposed to be done after this), and that because of the damage they've done to the franchise to date it shouldn't be rewarded at all. As I said, both are very valid points of view and I don't think anyone is wrong whichever side of the line you fall on. I'm not sure if I'll watch it or not yet. I'm probably going to wait to see a few more respected takes on it. Regardless I won't be paying to see it. If Paramount does actually decide to unfuck Trek in the future and de-cannonize the damage they've done so far, I could see myself actively supporting them but, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8APBUQUw1Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbJ5PQByCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Br6B3c3fc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhS0oAT-yEThose 4 videos are longer in total duration than Picard Season 3 will be. You expect anyone to watch those? |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:03:53 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those 4 videos are longer in total duration than Picard Season 3 will be. You expect anyone to watch those? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Robert Meyer Burnett, who has been actively involved in Trek production at various levels for decades and whom has been a big critic of Discovery and Picard to date, has said that Season 3 is a complete 180. He and Doomcock have gotten into a bit of a back and forth over this recently and to be honest, I can see it from both sides of the debate. I trust RMB's opinion on the content given his experience with the franchise and agree with him that when content is good and shows the proper respect to cannon/source material, it should be rewarded. On the other hand Doomcock has said that they made the conscious choice to destroy Trek the way they have so far, even if S03 is good it's too little too late (it is only going to be a single season, Picard is supposed to be done after this), and that because of the damage they've done to the franchise to date it shouldn't be rewarded at all. As I said, both are very valid points of view and I don't think anyone is wrong whichever side of the line you fall on. I'm not sure if I'll watch it or not yet. I'm probably going to wait to see a few more respected takes on it. Regardless I won't be paying to see it. If Paramount does actually decide to unfuck Trek in the future and de-cannonize the damage they've done so far, I could see myself actively supporting them but, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8APBUQUw1Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbJ5PQByCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Br6B3c3fc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhS0oAT-yEThose 4 videos are longer in total duration than Picard Season 3 will be. You expect anyone to watch those? I see you don't understand how podcasts work in the 21st century. Sorry about your luck. I regularly "watch" ones twice or 3x as long. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:37:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those 4 videos are longer in total duration than Picard Season 3 will be. You expect anyone to watch those? The one I posted with Drinker has him. Robert is speaking most of the time. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 9:43:30 PM EDT
[#33]
Star Trek nose-dived after Deep Space 9.
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Posted: 2/11/2023 12:01:24 PM EDT
[#34]
 I Can Confirm This! |
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Posted: 2/14/2023 6:45:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2023 11:56:18 AM EDT
[#36]
First episode is up.
I really liked it. Felt like old Trek to me. So far, the first two seasons are irrelevant to it for the most part, as reported by Cullen. It's total fan service, which is OK with me. We fucking deserve it after the last 15 years. Might as well make this the discussion thread if anyone is interested. Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 4:30:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First episode is up. I really liked it. Felt like old Trek to me. So far, the first two seasons are irrelevant to it for the most part, as reported by Cullen. It's total fan service, which is OK with me. We fucking deserve it after the last 15 years. Might as well make this the discussion thread if anyone is interested. Click To View Spoiler I liked it too. Have to see if they can keep it up. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 4:39:01 PM EDT
[#38]
 Star Trek: Picard Season 3 Ep 1: The Next Generation Review (Spoilers) |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 4:39:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I liked it too. Have to see if they can keep it up. Agreed. I liked the score as well. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 12:00:27 AM EDT
[#40]
Went ahead and watched E01.
Right off the bat I'll say I give it an overall 5.5/10. A definite improvement over standard Kurtzman Trek fare but it's very much in the vein of the TNG movies which I've always been so-so on (I'd rather watch STII or STVI any day over the TNG movies). I still cannot get over the cursing, as I've mentioned in regards to STD and Picard before. It's jarring enough it completely takes me out of the experience. It's just not Star Trek. And this is coming from someone that curses like a sailor to the point I have to be sure to reign it in when at work. But that's me current day, not in the 24th-25th century where mankind is supposed to be that much more advanced. For example, for the show Deadwood, writers/producers had to substitute modern swearing for what would have been swearing common of the time because they didn't feel audiences would understand the swears. So, it stands to reason that if our vernacular can change that much from the 1800s to the 2000s, it would certainly change over 400 years, maybe even to the point where cursing has entirely fallen out of fashion on Earth (note other cultures, like the Klingons, do still use it though). Other gripe, shooting is still way too dark, though they did improve it in some shots over previous Kurtzman Trek. Give me some fucking color pallet in scenes beyond like I'm looking at it through 5% window tint. Like I said, pretty mid so far IMHO but, I'll see what else is in store. Az from HeelvsBabyface put it great in a stream he did earlier today. It's "popcorn Trek", the Star Trek of Tapestry, The Drumhead, or Measure Of A Man isn't even on the radar at this point. I don't outright hate it which, I suppose, is progress. ETA:  Star Trek Picard Season 3 REVIEW | Hell Has Frozen Over  Picard Season 3 Episode 1: Progress, Not Perfection! |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 12:09:09 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Went ahead and watched E01. Right off the bat I'll say I give it an overall 5.5/10. A definite improvement over standard Kurtzman Trek fare but it's very much in the vein of the TNG movies which I've always been so-so on (I'd rather watch STII or STVI any day over the TNG movies). I still cannot get over the cursing, as I've mentioned in regards to STD and Picard before. It's jarring enough it completely takes me out of the experience. It's just not Star Trek. And this is coming from someone that curses like a sailor to the point I have to be sure to reign it in when at work. But that's me current day, not in the 24th-25th century where mankind is supposed to be that much more advanced. For example, for the show Deadwood, writers/producers had to substitute modern swearing for what would have been swearing common of the time because they didn't feel audiences would understand the swears. So, it stands to reason that if our vernacular can change that much from the 1800s to the 2000s, it would certainly change over 400 years, maybe even to the point where cursing has entirely fallen out of fashion on Earth (note other cultures, like the Klingons, do still use it though). Other gripe, shooting is still way too dark, though they did improve it in some shots over previous Kurtzman Trek. Give me some fucking color pallet in scenes beyond like I'm looking at it through 5% window tint. Like I said, pretty mid so far IMHO but, I'll see what else is in store. Az from HeelvsBabyface put it great in a stream he did earlier today. It's "popcorn Trek", the Star Trek of Tapestry, The Drumhead, or Measure Of A Man isn't even on the radar at this point. I don't outright hate it which, I suppose, is progress. ETA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VHxyWbpCwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpEpwTrWiowYeah it's definitely not without flaw. Marked improvement for me though. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 12:34:49 AM EDT
[#42]
Dave Cullen was on Drinker's Open Bar stream today. And RMB is supposed to be as well but running late. Just started it.
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Posted: 2/17/2023 1:35:45 AM EDT
[#43]
I've enjoyed Picard, it's better than most of the trash out there.
First episode was good. Riker is great fun. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 1:53:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Great episode and good classic ST music, nope it keeps getting better.
Had a ST2 Wrath of Kahn vibe, wonder if the kid is Picardy? Wonder if the weapon represents the genesis device? So who will be Kahn? |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 10:31:49 AM EDT
[#45]
My wife and I call it Star Trek: AARP
We were laughing with every old cast member that popped up. And then Riker bitching about his knees and joking about having to get up to pee in the middle of the night.  2 of 36 is still a BILF ?? It was entertaining enough, though. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 10:47:40 AM EDT
[#46]
Star Trek died when CBS denied Paramount the right to make a new movie in the original Star Trek style(either TNG or TOS) so Paramount went to JJ Abrams to give us the shit he gave us.
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Posted: 2/17/2023 12:08:24 PM EDT
[#47]
So after reading this thread I thought that I would give the third and final season of Picard a chance. I was not impressed with the first two seasons at all.
This definitely has a different vibe to it. I actually liked it. Riker is hilarious and the music is fantastic as is the production. I'm going to give this a shot |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 12:13:55 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So after reading this thread I thought that I would give the third and final season of Picard a chance. I was not impressed with the first two seasons at all. This definitely has a different vibe to it. I actually liked it. Riker is hilarious and the music is fantastic as is the production. I'm going to give this a shot So far, Riker "makes the show" for me right now, and reflecting back on TNG.., where I always thought it was Picard, now I realize that Riker was just as important to making that show work as well. He's is a necessary part of the equation, IMO. Jonathan Frakes hasn't missed a beat. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 12:22:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far, Riker "makes the show" for me right now, and reflecting back on TNG.., where I always thought it was Picard, now I realize that Riker was just as important to making that show work as well. He's is a necessary part of the equation, IMO. Jonathan Frakes hasn't missed a beat. Agreed.. When they were in the room on the racks and he said this reminds me of my Cadet days only I didn't have to get up so many times to pee LOL I can relate to that. Also when he said you have a stiff hand and my knees are killing me so as long as we don't have to shoot or move we're okay 
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Posted: 2/17/2023 12:38:19 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Robert Meyer Burnett, who has been actively involved in Trek production at various levels for decades and whom has been a big critic of Discovery and Picard to date, has said that Season 3 is a complete 180. He and Doomcock have gotten into a bit of a back and forth over this recently and to be honest, I can see it from both sides of the debate. I trust RMB's opinion on the content given his experience with the franchise and agree with him that when content is good and shows the proper respect to cannon/source material, it should be rewarded. On the other hand Doomcock has said that they made the conscious choice to destroy Trek the way they have so far, even if S03 is good it's too little too late (it is only going to be a single season, Picard is supposed to be done after this), and that because of the damage they've done to the franchise to date it shouldn't be rewarded at all. As I said, both are very valid points of view and I don't think anyone is wrong whichever side of the line you fall on. I'm not sure if I'll watch it or not yet. I'm probably going to wait to see a few more respected takes on it. Regardless I won't be paying to see it. If Paramount does actually decide to unfuck Trek in the future and de-cannonize the damage they've done so far, I could see myself actively supporting them but, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8APBUQUw1Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbJ5PQByCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Br6B3c3fc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhS0oAT-yEIt would be hilarious if Burnham becomes President of the Federation in the far future, then starts kidnapping problematic people from the past to face 30th century woke “Justice”, and they make the mistake of grabbing Kirk (played by Shatner himself) to put on trial and he finds a way to completely unfuck the timeline so STD and Star TP never happen. Maybe TNG and Voyager as a bonus. Wont happen of course because they are killing Trek on purpose and don’t want to fix it. |
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