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Posted: 11/2/2020 8:47:19 PM EDT
Such a kickass system. Combined with the spartan they were pretty damn effective. Mach 10 in seconds, The missile traveled so fast it glowed like a white star on the way to its target due to plasma being generated around it. There is remnants of these sites all around me.          This is not an accurate paint scheme.   This is..   Super Pointy Sprint Missile - 0 to Mach 10 in 15 Seconds - 100Gs & 6000°F  SPRINT missile from Martin Marietta - Florida  SPRINT ABM - Zero to Mach 10 in 5 Seconds! The Par, the Spartan and the Sprint. Par is the radar for tracking and acquiring threats and guiding the missiles. Spartan was for out of atmosphere intercepts and the Sprint was for in atmosphere intercepts.  ABM Spartan and Sprint |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 8:53:56 PM EDT
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The Nekoma site is an amazing place. My trip report here: https://www.coldwartourist.com/stanley-r-mickelsen-safeguard-complex
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Posted: 11/2/2020 8:54:41 PM EDT
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Super high tech for the time, but not cost effective.
Warheads are cheap. Interceptors are EXPENSIVE. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 8:56:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Nekoma site is an amazing place. My trip report here: https://www.coldwartourist.com/stanley-r-mickelsen-safeguard-complex I have loads of pics from there. I don't have them hosted for some reason. Lazy. Nekoma was a par site and missile field containing spartans and sprints.  Attached File Attached FileAs a side note... All the housing from Nekoma was maintained in limbo. It was moved out and donated to a couple of the reservations in the state. Most of the houses have been destroyed due to incompetence on the part of the new homeowners. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 8:59:51 PM EDT
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Wow that's awesome
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:01:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Super high tech for the time, but not cost effective. Warheads are cheap. Interceptors are EXPENSIVE. Cheap insurance if it was ever needed. Nekoma is what brought the USSR to the table. It terrified the commies. It was successful enough that it essentially killed itself. It kicked off the SALT treaty which in the end killed it. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:07:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have loads of pics from there. I don't have them hosted for some reason. Lazy. Nekoma was a par site and missile field containing spartans and sprints. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/183526/download__1__png-1666246.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/183526/download_png-1666247.JPG As a side note... All the housing from Nekoma was maintained in limbo. It was moved out and donated to a couple of the reservations in the state. Most of the houses have been destroyed due to incompetence on the part of the new homeowners. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nekoma was the MSR while the PAR was just east of Langdon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have loads of pics from there. I don't have them hosted for some reason. Lazy. Nekoma was a par site and missile field containing spartans and sprints. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/183526/download__1__png-1666246.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/183526/download_png-1666247.JPG As a side note... All the housing from Nekoma was maintained in limbo. It was moved out and donated to a couple of the reservations in the state. Most of the houses have been destroyed due to incompetence on the part of the new homeowners. You are correct. The Precision approach radar or PAR is still in use. It is between Langdon and Cavalier. I don't know why I effed that up. The Missile site radar or MSR is in the Nekoma complex. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:14:08 PM EDT
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@moose201
I haven't seen that. Nice write up! |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:15:44 PM EDT
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In service for a year.
Money well spent I guess 
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap insurance if it was ever needed. Nekoma is what brought the USSR to the table. It terrified the commies. It was successful enough that it essentially killed itself. It kicked off the SALT treaty which in the end killed it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Super high tech for the time, but not cost effective. Warheads are cheap. Interceptors are EXPENSIVE. Cheap insurance if it was ever needed. Nekoma is what brought the USSR to the table. It terrified the commies. It was successful enough that it essentially killed itself. It kicked off the SALT treaty which in the end killed it. ABM Treaty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:17:11 PM EDT
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If the politicians really had confidence in Mutual Assured Destruction avoid nukes inbound why is there helicopters and planes always ready to get them to safety. While nothing for everyone else.
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @moose201 I haven't seen that. Nice write up! |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:20:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhich was part of or a result of the salt treaty. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/salt "Johnson therefore called for strategic arms limitations talks (SALT), and in 1967, he and Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin met at Glassboro State College in New Jersey. Johnson said they must gain “control of the ABM race,” and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara argued that the more each reacted to the other’s escalation, the more they had chosen “an insane road to follow.” While abolition of nuclear weapons would be impossible, limiting the development of both offensive and defensive strategic systems would stabilize U.S.-Soviet relations." "Negotiations to prohibit ballistic missile defenses were first proposed by the United States in 1966 but did not begin until late 1969, as part of the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT). The ABM Treaty was signed by U.S. Pres." |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:21:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you! Nice people up there in North Dakota. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @moose201 I haven't seen that. Nice write up! We are a bunch of alcoholics.  
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the politicians really had confidence in Mutual Assured Destruction avoid nukes inbound why is there helicopters and planes always ready to get them to safety. While nothing for everyone else. Continuity of command and government. Counter strike ability. Even they knew people would survive. Nukes wouldn't end the entire planet, much less the country. But it would sure make life miserable. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:26:13 PM EDT
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We should bring a modern version or similar one back into service. It was cancelled due to Soviet propaganda, helpful idiots, and dumb people who would rather cities get hit by a ICBM than detonate a relatively low-radiation nuke in the sky to stop it because the fallout might hurt them.
Also I assume we used it as leverage to get better terms in various US-Soviet nuke treaties, but those are out the window now with Russia and China both not giving a shit about treaties. It remains a very viable method for destroying hypersonic cruise missiles ICBMs, at least while they are still at high altitude. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:29:46 PM EDT
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@moose201
Have you been to the Ronald Reagan Minuteman site? O-0 and N-33.    Also.. If you are in the area in the summer, RSL 3 outside of Cavalier, East of the PAR radar is a sprint site that is privately owned, The owner will give tours of it. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:31:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which was part of or a result of the salt treaty. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/salt "Johnson therefore called for strategic arms limitations talks (SALT), and in 1967, he and Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin met at Glassboro State College in New Jersey. Johnson said they must gain “control of the ABM race,” and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara argued that the more each reacted to the other’s escalation, the more they had chosen “an insane road to follow.” While abolition of nuclear weapons would be impossible, limiting the development of both offensive and defensive strategic systems would stabilize U.S.-Soviet relations." "Negotiations to prohibit ballistic missile defenses were first proposed by the United States in 1966 but did not begin until late 1969, as part of the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT). The ABM Treaty was signed by U.S. Pres." TLDR: If Johnson and McNamara had balls we would have broken the Soviet Union at least a decade earlier than Reagan did it. |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:33:29 PM EDT
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The acceleration rate of the Sprint missile is simply mind-blowing. Even more so when you consider it's fifty-year old technology.
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:36:06 PM EDT
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Now that's what I call skeet shooting.
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a side note... All the housing from Nekoma was maintained in limbo. It was moved out and donated to a couple of the reservations in the state. Most of the houses have been destroyed due to incompetence on the part of the new homeowners. trash gonna be trash. F welfare assistance. unbelievable |
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Posted: 11/2/2020 9:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @moose201 Have you been to the Ronald Reagan Minuteman site? O-0 and N-33. https://live.staticflickr.com/1663/25616645614_2485be615d_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/1646/26128956962_a6fd0a8d96_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/1460/25616649874_82048db3fa_b.jpg Also.. If you are in the area in the summer, RSL 3 outside of Cavalier, East of the PAR radar is a sprint site that is privately owned, The owner will give tours of it. I'll be adding my trip report for the Ronald Reagan Minuteman Site at some point along with the Minuteman National Historic Site in SD. Lots of cool stuff up there on the northern plains. |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 12:43:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should bring a modern version or similar one back into service. It was cancelled due to Soviet propaganda, helpful idiots, and dumb people who would rather cities get hit by a ICBM than detonate a relatively low-radiation nuke in the sky to stop it because the fallout might hurt them. Also I assume we used it as leverage to get better terms in various US-Soviet nuke treaties, but those are out the window now with Russia and China both not giving a shit about treaties. It remains a very viable method for destroying hypersonic cruise missiles ICBMs, at least while they are still at high altitude. Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) has been operational since Oct. 2004 with it's first interceptor emplaced at Ft. Greely AK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 6:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Super high tech for the time, but not cost effective. Warheads are cheap. Interceptors are EXPENSIVE. |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 6:16:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) has been operational since Oct. 2004 with it's first interceptor emplaced at Ft. Greely AK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We should bring a modern version or similar one back into service. It was cancelled due to Soviet propaganda, helpful idiots, and dumb people who would rather cities get hit by a ICBM than detonate a relatively low-radiation nuke in the sky to stop it because the fallout might hurt them. Also I assume we used it as leverage to get better terms in various US-Soviet nuke treaties, but those are out the window now with Russia and China both not giving a shit about treaties. It remains a very viable method for destroying hypersonic cruise missiles ICBMs, at least while they are still at high altitude. Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) has been operational since Oct. 2004 with it's first interceptor emplaced at Ft. Greely AK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 6:36:53 PM EDT
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Went on a nuke tour this fall.
Oscar-0, Nekoma, Cavalier. If you make it to Nekoma you need to stop at the Pain Killer. Great people.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 7:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap insurance if it was ever needed. Nekoma is what brought the USSR to the table. It terrified the commies. It was successful enough that it essentially killed itself. It kicked off the SALT treaty which in the end killed it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Super high tech for the time, but not cost effective. Warheads are cheap. Interceptors are EXPENSIVE. Cheap insurance if it was ever needed. Nekoma is what brought the USSR to the table. It terrified the commies. It was successful enough that it essentially killed itself. It kicked off the SALT treaty which in the end killed it.  
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Posted: 11/3/2020 7:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Went on a nuke tour this fall. Oscar-0, Nekoma, Cavalier. If you make it to Nekoma you need to stop at the Pain Killer. Great people. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_112638_jpg-1667916.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_112245_jpg-1667927.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20201103_163255_jpg-1667930.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_145751_jpg-1667931.JPG I went to elementary school across the street from that missile. My choir classroom was closer to the base of that missile than its tip is. |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 7:23:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went to elementary school across the street from that missile. My choir classroom was closer to the base of that missile than its tip is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Went on a nuke tour this fall. Oscar-0, Nekoma, Cavalier. If you make it to Nekoma you need to stop at the Pain Killer. Great people. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_112638_jpg-1667916.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_112245_jpg-1667927.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20201103_163255_jpg-1667930.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_145751_jpg-1667931.JPG I went to elementary school across the street from that missile. My choir classroom was closer to the base of that missile than its tip is. Nice. That's the missile in Langdon IIRC. |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 7:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. That's the missile in Langdon IIRC. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Went on a nuke tour this fall. Oscar-0, Nekoma, Cavalier. If you make it to Nekoma you need to stop at the Pain Killer. Great people. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_112638_jpg-1667916.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_112245_jpg-1667927.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20201103_163255_jpg-1667930.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254821/20200919_145751_jpg-1667931.JPG I went to elementary school across the street from that missile. My choir classroom was closer to the base of that missile than its tip is. Nice. That's the missile in Langdon IIRC. Indeed. |
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Posted: 11/3/2020 7:28:49 PM EDT
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Here's the control screen during guidance phase.
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Posted: 11/4/2020 12:25:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Slower and no proximity kill ability. It's a nice system but it's no Sprint. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We should bring a modern version or similar one back into service. It was cancelled due to Soviet propaganda, helpful idiots, and dumb people who would rather cities get hit by a ICBM than detonate a relatively low-radiation nuke in the sky to stop it because the fallout might hurt them. Also I assume we used it as leverage to get better terms in various US-Soviet nuke treaties, but those are out the window now with Russia and China both not giving a shit about treaties. It remains a very viable method for destroying hypersonic cruise missiles ICBMs, at least while they are still at high altitude. Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) has been operational since Oct. 2004 with it's first interceptor emplaced at Ft. Greely AK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense GMD doesn't need nuke warheads (detonating over the US or Canada's soil!) since it's hit-to-kill and it's designed to protect the whole country vs. ICBM missile fields. Oh and the big one: It's been operational for over 16 years vs. Safeguard's ~1 year operational record. I'll take actual protection from ICBMs over flash any day of the week. |
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Posted: 11/4/2020 1:21:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are a bunch of alcoholics. I was just up that way last week, drove by the SRMSC. One of our cranes is doing a blade change at the wind farm just south of Langdon. Unfortunately it was just a drop and run for me so I only spent a couple of hours up there. |
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