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Posted: 11/24/2022 3:00:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: JaredC1]
Anyone else done this treatment for their back?

I guess I have a compressed disc causing a pinched or irritated nerve in my back.

Never really had many back issues that couldn’t be treated by the chiropractor.

This time though the chiropractor referred me to compression therapy.

Specialist showed me the compressed portion on my spine. I think L5.

Basically they hook you into a machine that pulled your spine and decompresses it.

Therapy is 24 sessions for 12 weeks. $2800 is the “cash” price.

He said there’s a 90% success rate.

Here’s a picture from his office.

I’ll be happy if it works, but still can’t help but think of all the pretty new toys I was going to buy instead.

I’m blessed to have the money though and for it not to be a huge deal. But also will be super pissed if it doesn’t work.

brownells
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:03:30 PM EST
[#1]
If it‘s “As Seen On TV” then it must be good
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:05:48 PM EST
[#2]
Let us know how it goes.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:07:46 PM EST
[#3]
The physical therapists had us grab a bunch of pool noodles under our arm pits and let our legs dangle in the deep end of the pool so our body weight did the work...

Kharn
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:13:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: ProfessorFalken] [#4]
I went to a chiropractor for a while. He had this thing in his office that I've considered buying for myself. It felt really good to hang on. Only downside is that is pretty large. Where would I keep it? It's called the Teeter Dex 2. They are on sale right now.
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:14:39 PM EST
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At physical therapy I use a traction device.  Strap holds me to the bed.  Belt around my hips I attached to a machine that slowly pulls on it.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:14:40 PM EST
[#6]
Dr says 90 ad says 86. Lies already
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:21:38 PM EST
[#7]
Dr. Ron Johnson calls it the 'ring-dinger'.

Not going to lie, looks promising.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:23:05 PM EST
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Haha. That’s what I said.

His response was that the overall, across the US, was 86%.

But based on my symptoms and the X-ray, and his office track record, it’s 90%

The people who don’t have as much success, are those who this is their last resort. Literally their last stitch effort before surgery.

I’ve been fighting stiffness or a Charlie horse type feeling for like 3 to 6 months.

Only been seeing chiropractor daily for like 2 weeks before he told me this might help.

Not sure if that means my odds are better or I just have less patience than others.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:23:32 PM EST
[#9]
I have an inversion table that does the same thing. It was a lot cheaper, and really works.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:26:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 20229mm:
At physical therapy I use a traction device.  Strap holds me to the bed.  Belt around my hips I attached to a machine that slowly pulls on it.
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That’s basically what it is.

Big diaper looking thing straps around my waist and under legs with a D ring in the middle.

Then another strap under my arms with a D ring towards the back.

The machine hooks to both D rings and essentially pulls me apart.

During consultation they hooked me up for 10 minutes and pulled at 80 lbs so I could see how it works.

Really it felt good.

The regular therapy is 16 minutes and starts at 85 lbs and every week will increase by 5-10 lbs depending on my tolerance for the soreness afterwards. I think he said we end up at like 150 lbs of force by the end.

But he said I have no limitations on exercise, as long as I can take the pain.

The chiropractor had shut me down for everything except for work for two weeks, so I was at least glad to hear that.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:28:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sixxxgun:
I have an inversion table that does the same thing. It was a lot cheaper, and really works.
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My original chiropractor told me inversion and decompression is different but essentially attempting the same thing.

But inversion therapy isn’t as measured.

I’m not really sure.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:30:36 PM EST
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Haha. That was the main selling point for me.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:33:17 PM EST
[#13]
You can do the same thing at home. Pull-up bar by simply hanging and relaxing your hips or laying across your bed by hanging your chin and arms on one side and feet on the other.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:39:33 PM EST
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You can do the same thing at home. Pull-up bar by simply hanging and relaxing your hips or laying across your bed by hanging your chin and arms on one side and feet on the other.
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Over the last few weeks I’ve been able to treat it either with a lacrosse ball or stretching as you said.

But always seems to be temporary and it tightens up again.

But my job is definitely not sedentary so that might be part of it.

Hopefully this will be a permanent solution.

Although I forgot to ask what do I do to keep it from happening again without changing my lifestyle
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:48:41 PM EST
[#15]
Where do you live (state or big city etc?) just curious.

I'd recommend finding a second opinion personally before I spend the $2,800.

There is a new generation of chiro-therapists types of folks who focus on strengthening, scratching then realignment.

I've got two different Chiros, a muscle maintenance(hybrid) and a masseuse I go to. You need a team of experts!

Work injury or a sports related?

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:54:26 PM EST
[#16]
There's a harness on Amazon where you can suspend yourself- essentially using gravity for the same purpose.

Works great!
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:58:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SkiandShoot:

Where do you live (state or big city etc?) just curious.

I'd recommend finding a second opinion personally before I spend the $2,800.

There is a new generation of chiro-therapists types of folks who focus on strengthening, scratching then realignment.

I've got two different Chiros, a muscle maintenance(hybrid) and a masseuse I go to. You need a team of experts!

Work injury or a sports related?

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I live in Oklahoma.

Technically this was the second opinion.

My regular chiropractor sent me to this other chiropractor who specializes in decompression since my regular guy suspected it was disc related after treating me for a while.

I do have a few people on my team.

Corrective massage therapist and an assisted stretcher guy (not sure his exact title) and then of course if nothing hurts I get adjusted from chiropractor a couple times a month as well.

Probably years of wear and tear. I own a plumbing company. Before that I worked on offshore drilling rigs. Plus competitive powerlifting years ago, now Olympic weightlifting and jiu jitsu.

The years are catching up on me.

Plus I’ve put on some weight recently so that doesn’t help.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:59:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JaredC1:


Over the last few weeks I’ve been able to treat it either with a lacrosse ball or stretching as you said.

But always seems to be temporary and it tightens up again.

But my job is definitely not sedentary so that might be part of it.

Hopefully this will be a permanent solution.

Although I forgot to ask what do I do to keep it from happening again without changing my lifestyle
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Laying across the bed, gently stretch the lower back until you feel the relief. Then stretch and relax, stretch and relax for several minutes. Replicating the machine chiropractors
use to force senovial fluid into your disc. I couldn’t walk upright for weeks with back problems. Now I suffer no more.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:01:15 PM EST
[#19]
I did it. Worthless.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:07:02 PM EST
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As anything helped you since then, or are you still suffering with it?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:09:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JamPo:


Laying across the bed, gently stretch the lower back until you feel the relief. Then stretch and relax, stretch and relax for several minutes. Replicating the machine chiropractors
use to force senovial fluid into your disc. I couldn’t walk upright for weeks with back problems. Now I suffer no more.
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Originally Posted By JaredC1:


Over the last few weeks I’ve been able to treat it either with a lacrosse ball or stretching as you said.

But always seems to be temporary and it tightens up again.

But my job is definitely not sedentary so that might be part of it.

Hopefully this will be a permanent solution.

Although I forgot to ask what do I do to keep it from happening again without changing my lifestyle


Laying across the bed, gently stretch the lower back until you feel the relief. Then stretch and relax, stretch and relax for several minutes. Replicating the machine chiropractors
use to force senovial fluid into your disc. I couldn’t walk upright for weeks with back problems. Now I suffer no more.


I remember him mentioning that fluid stuff. I will start trying that today.

So far the best I’ve found is putting a lacrosse ball at the spot that hurts and moving my leg through the positions that hurt and doing that until it stops hurting.

Usually that gets me through a jiu jitsu class or weightlifting session or a half day of work.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:11:54 PM EST
[#22]
Good to hear on your team and due diligence. Lots of quality places popping up to help focus vs chiros from the 1980’s.

Close friend had similar issue. He went the no surgery route but did therapy in a center in Nashville. We’re all competitive water skiers with lots of wear and tear.

Similar to your situation. If you need a name of a place in Nashville or other input with references or ideas, feel free to im me.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:13:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JaredC1:


As anything helped you since then, or are you still suffering with it?
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Originally Posted By JaredC1:
Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA:
I did it. Worthless.


As anything helped you since then, or are you still suffering with it?



Surgery
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:14:21 PM EST
[#24]
The big three

https://www.chirocentre.com.au/stuart-mcgills-big-three-low-back-exercises/
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:14:23 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:16:17 PM EST
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Those medieval people were ahead of their time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_(torture)
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:21:13 PM EST
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Surgery
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Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA:
Originally Posted By JaredC1:
Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA:
I did it. Worthless.


As anything helped you since then, or are you still suffering with it?



Surgery


Was your disc compressed or worse?

What else did you try besides decompression therapy?

Did the surgery fix the issue completely and now as good as new?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:22:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SkiandShoot:
The big three

https://www.chirocentre.com.au/stuart-mcgills-big-three-low-back-exercises/
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Thank you. I do the bird dog everyday as part of warm ups. I’ll start doing the others too.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:29:48 PM EST
[#29]
Decompression therapy < Asian masseuse
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:31:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tonysoprano150:
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I’m pretty fucked up from 25 years on busy fire/EMS rigs.  I have three lumbar discs that are squished out both sides. Not quite herniated but I’m getting very close to bone on bone.  I will eventually get disc replacements but going in through my abdomen and removing organs scares the shit out of me.

I’ve been doing this therapy (coupled with massage, electro stim, adjustments, and flexarell).  I’m having pain free periods and increased mobility, which has been much worse over the last several years.  

It’s working for me.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:32:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken:
I went to a chiropractor for a while. He had this thing in his office that I've considered buying for myself. It felt really good to hang on. Only downside is that is pretty large. Where would I keep it? It's called the Teeter Dex 2. They are on sale right now.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14857/AEBC1622-16E8-4D6C-9967-BA65E24D192C_jpe-2612272.JPG
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The key to the therapy that I’m on is IRS computer controlled and very precise, plus it’s not continuous.  

Uncontrolled traction never helped me.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:50:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AKFF:

I’m pretty fucked up from 25 years on busy fire/EMS rigs.  I have three lumbar discs that are squished out both sides. Not quite herniated but I’m getting very close to bone on bone.  I will eventually get disc replacements but going in through my abdomen and removing organs scares the shit out of me.

I’ve been doing this therapy (coupled with massage, electro stim, adjustments, and flexarell).  I’m having pain free periods and increased mobility, which has been much worse over the last several years.  

It’s working for me.

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Originally Posted By tonysoprano150:
If it‘s “As Seen On TV” then it must be good

I’m pretty fucked up from 25 years on busy fire/EMS rigs.  I have three lumbar discs that are squished out both sides. Not quite herniated but I’m getting very close to bone on bone.  I will eventually get disc replacements but going in through my abdomen and removing organs scares the shit out of me.

I’ve been doing this therapy (coupled with massage, electro stim, adjustments, and flexarell).  I’m having pain free periods and increased mobility, which has been much worse over the last several years.  

It’s working for me.



Well that’s good to hear.

Obviously my slight compression isn’t anything compared to yours but I’m glad it’s working for you.

It could be a placebo effect, but after the consult and my short sample of the therapy I did feel much better.

I’m anxious to see what happens.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 4:52:22 PM EST
[#33]
it works.....it was costly...but it works..


Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:21:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sixxxgun:
I have an inversion table that does the same thing. It was a lot cheaper, and really works.
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This.  


And in a few years when your back starts hurting again, you take it out of the closet and use it again. For free.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:30:11 PM EST
[#35]
that must be the teeter super-deluxe premium model.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:34:02 PM EST
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This.  


And in a few years when your back starts hurting again, you take it out of the closet and use it again. For free.
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Originally Posted By Sixxxgun:
I have an inversion table that does the same thing. It was a lot cheaper, and really works.

This.  


And in a few years when your back starts hurting again, you take it out of the closet and use it again. For free.


I posted above, but the chiropractor who referred me told me it was different.

I don’t know exactly what the difference is though, or can’t explain it.

I do know people who use the inversion tables all the time and are constantly dealing with back pain. I’m not really interested in that.

Either fix it or don’t. I’ll keep trying until it’s fixed though.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:35:06 PM EST
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@jozsi how many sessions do you do?

What was your original prognosis and did the issue ever come back or what happened after decompression therapy?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:39:37 PM EST
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10 years ago, two bulging disc's in my neck. Couldn't sleep in any comfortable position, constant pain radiating from my neck down my left shoulder and arm.

10 weeks, three times a week plus adjustments. Been 90%+ for the last ten years. Best $8k I've ever spent. Insurance covers zero of this.



Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:42:38 PM EST
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10 years ago, two bulging disc's in my neck. Couldn't sleep in any comfortable position, constant pain radiating from my neck down my left shoulder and arm.

10 weeks, three times a week plus adjustments. Been 90%+ for the last ten years. Best $8k I've ever spent. Insurance covers zero of this.

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Damn. I guess I shouldn’t bitch about $2800 then.

I wonder if something changed that now he recommended twice per week for 12 weeks.

You got 6 more sessions than I’ll end up.

What would it take to get you to 100% pain free? Surgery or not possible?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:42:57 PM EST
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The medical theory is that the only way a damaged disc can repair and heal is fluid exchange, as there is little to no blood flow to this tissue.

Extension created a vacuum and draws fluid into the disc. Compression causes pressure and expels fluid. Repeat this process numerous times enhances disc "healing".

As stated above, it changed my life for the better.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:43:26 PM EST
[#41]
Did it back in 2006, worked for a little while, then wham back pain came back. Had RFA on both sides of L2/3, L3/4, L4/5, L5/S1 In Jan 2020, still very effective. 3 herniations in my neck, 2 in upper back, 4 in lower back…….
DRX felt good but temporary for me, did the full course
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:43:42 PM EST
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Hey OP, good luck with your treatment. I worked at a chiro clinic for a few years - more of a “mainstream” facility than some others. We offered decompression and had quite a few clients.

No matter what you do I would advise working on the “big three” as linked above, I feel as though the patients that did their “homework” got better and got better faster when they did their strengthening exercises consistently - massage and decomp are great but they’re there to help you get back to being as strong as you can, being aware of postural issues, etc.

Of course do your exercises under supervision of professional, void where prohibited, I am not liable etc.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:44:38 PM EST
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I’m sure if it works this well, he can easily point you to the PubMed article describing the randomized-control trial for this therapy that proves that this works and has the actual claimed effectiveness. Surely. But, “As seen on TV” I’m totally sure is pretty close to a well run randomized controlled trial.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:45:13 PM EST
[#44]
Mines was for upper back and neck pain due to my injury. VA paid for several sessions along with Kaiser permanente when I told them I wanted another treatment besides stupid pain meds and the silly PT that wasn't working. I was responsible for the out of pocket and co pay fee. That was $25 a session.

I did 14 sessions and I think they lasted about 21 minutes each or something to that effect.

It was night and day, Kaiser approved another 14 sessions but the VA didn't feel it was necessary.

That funny feeling in the neck area was gone right away. It was like my brain told me that there isn't an alien probe or alien matter there anymore.

It has been about 3 years and its been good.

It is worth it but you HAVE TO GO TO THE TREATMENTS AND CONTINUE IT AND DON'T BREAK THE SESSIONS. This is important otherwise the body reverts back to the old ways and the pain will come back.

The 1st time also was scary a bit with the machine and I got dizzy a bit but it went away.

Do tell them to play the nice music if its possible also to ease your mind.

If you can take some kind of pill for anxiety or to calm the nerves, that would help also.


Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:48:47 PM EST
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This.  


And in a few years when your back starts hurting again, you take it out of the closet and use it again. For free.
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Originally Posted By amannamedjed:
Originally Posted By Sixxxgun:
I have an inversion table that does the same thing. It was a lot cheaper, and really works.

This.  


And in a few years when your back starts hurting again, you take it out of the closet and use it again. For free.


Anyone who has higher blood pressure should be very careful with inversion. Doctors are not quick to recommend these inversion tables due to the increased risk of aneurysm for some people.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:49:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken:
I went to a chiropractor for a while. He had this thing in his office that I've considered buying for myself. It felt really good to hang on. Only downside is that is pretty large. Where would I keep it? It's called the Teeter Dex 2. They are on sale right now.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14857/AEBC1622-16E8-4D6C-9967-BA65E24D192C_jpe-2612272.JPG
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I second this.  I bought one used and use it everyday.  In addition, I would recommend Yoga and Tai Chi.  Core stabilization is the key to solving back pain.

If those quack traction machines actually did anything, then they'd run the risk of injuring you too.  It's mostly a placebo effect bolstered by the price tag.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:49:43 PM EST
[#47]
Yes

The rack was awesome. Also the rack on the therapist
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:51:45 PM EST
[#48]
Worked for me.

I chose no surgery as you can’t unring that bell.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:25:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Jozsi:
Mines was for upper back and neck pain due to my injury. VA paid for several sessions along with Kaiser permanente when I told them I wanted another treatment besides stupid pain meds and the silly PT that wasn't working. I was responsible for the out of pocket and co pay fee. That was $25 a session.

I did 14 sessions and I think they lasted about 21 minutes each or something to that effect.

It was night and day, Kaiser approved another 14 sessions but the VA didn't feel it was necessary.

That funny feeling in the neck area was gone right away. It was like my brain told me that there isn't an alien probe or alien matter there anymore.

It has been about 3 years and its been good.

It is worth it but you HAVE TO GO TO THE TREATMENTS AND CONTINUE IT AND DON'T BREAK THE SESSIONS. This is important otherwise the body reverts back to the old ways and the pain will come back.

The 1st time also was scary a bit with the machine and I got dizzy a bit but it went away.

Do tell them to play the nice music if its possible also to ease your mind.

If you can take some kind of pill for anxiety or to calm the nerves, that would help also.


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During the consult I did a 10 min session on the machine and no issues with anxiety.

Which is surprising because usually I freak the fuck out with doctors.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 7:26:52 PM EST
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The rack was awesome. Also the rack on the therapist
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Must be something about it that attracts them.

Both of the assistants here were well built, too. Made everything much better.
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