Son had a ND with his AUG

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Posted: 10/4/2021 1:58:08 PM EDT

Good news is he lives outside of tiwn.

He's 32 and a safety Nazi.

Was practicing mag change drills and grabbed a loaded mag by mistake. So being a bullpup not being able to see his failure he sent a round out of his window and into the dirt

I'm shocked that he failed.

His wife is less than pleased

Lesson learned.

Yes his ears hurt

Posted: 10/4/2021 1:59:59 PM EDT

[#1]

How do you confused a loaded mag for an empty one? Even if you don't visually inspect; I would think that the weight difference would be a dead give away.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:00:15 PM EDT

[#2]

If he truly was a safety Nazi, he would have dummy mags painted yellow without followers or springs to make sure he doesn't have an ND.

He could have killed the meter reader!!!

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:00:36 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/4/2021 2:00:36 PM EDT

[#4]

He couldn't feel the weight difference in a empty mag and a full one?

Glad no one was hurt...

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:02:55 PM EDT

[#5]

Yeah when I do dryfire drills it doesn't happen in the same room as any ammo, in mags or not.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:04:09 PM EDT

[#6]

i'm confused. loaded mag vs empty mag weight difference would have been immediately obvious no?

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:04:47 PM EDT

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This.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:05:48 PM EDT

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i'm confused. loaded mag vs empty mag weight difference would have been immediately obvious no?

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Not to mention when you pull the charging handle and the bolt doesn't hold open

Even if the bolt was already open and all he did was release it, the sound & feel of the bolt picking up a round and carrying it into the chamber is totally different than the sound & feel of the bolt just smacking closed on an empty chamber......

......something is fucky here.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:06:34 PM EDT

[#9]

Function drills with live ammo or loaded magazines in the same room seldom work out very well.

Glad the only thing hurt was a pane of glass or a screen.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:06:54 PM EDT

[#10]

safety. nazi.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:07:38 PM EDT

[#11]

Even without the ND the situation didn't scream safety nazi.

It screamed, "I'm being careless and eventually I'm going to mess up."

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:08:39 PM EDT

[#12]

Safety Nazi. Grabbed loaded mag. Fired AUG.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:09:51 PM EDT

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He couldn't feel the weight difference in a empty mag and a full one?

Glad no one was hurt...

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No shit, that's not even taking into account the fact that a mag change drill doesn't necessitate pulling the trigger. His wife is justifiably pissed, because he exhibited dumbass behavior. But at least nobody got ventilated.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:10:17 PM EDT

[#14]

Sounds like something a dumbass might do.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:10:35 PM EDT

[#15]

Insert did nazi this coming joke.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:11:23 PM EDT

[#16]

I'm glad I don't dry fire ever.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:11:24 PM EDT

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If he truly was a safety Nazi, he would have dummy mags painted yellow without followers or springs to make sure he doesn't have an ND.

He could have killed the meter reader!!!

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This.

I have magazines specifically painted that are loaded with snap caps... they're in a tackle box. Painted bright orange.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:11:33 PM EDT

[#18]

Well ok then

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:12:11 PM EDT

[#19]

Glad no one was hurt, just his ego.

One I took a pistol home unknowingly with a chambered round , normally I unload all my guns before I leave the range, but I got distracted when someone asked me a question about my gun. When I got home and was about to put the gun away, I jacked the slide just to double check and out pops a live round, Normally loaded guns are not a problem with me, just that it surprised me that it was still loaded.

Good thing I always double check.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:13:14 PM EDT

[#20]

At least OP didn't call it an "AD."

Because it was neither safe, nor an accident.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:13:30 PM EDT

[#21]

At least he pointed it in a safe direction?

But yeah, not everyone notices things like weight differences when they're operating on muscle memory. I'm not a very perceptive person when it comes to things I haven't explicitly trained myself to check for. I know this about myself though, so I wouldn't test mag changes in a room containing loaded mags...

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:13:30 PM EDT

[#22]

Not much of a safety nazi if there was ammunition anywhere close enough to get hands on it while he was doing dry practice. I mean, by definition it was no longer dry practice it was hot-range live-fire mag change practice.

It's a simple set of 4 rules designed to stop problems like this from ever happening and he violated at least 2 of them in rapid succession... treat all guns as if all guns are always loaded, don't point guns at things you're not willing to destroy.

Everyone will fuck it up at least once. It's hopeful that like most of us that survive such an incident that we immediately learn and get very sticky about the no ammo around during dry practice thing. This is not to say I'd never made a similar mistake and it was a lesson learned. It was a very loud and very embarrassing lesson to learn.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:16:52 PM EDT

[#23]

Aside from the loaded mag difference, I can’t entirely tell I’ve chambered a round in my AUG using the bolt release.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:20:10 PM EDT

[#24]

He isn’t a safety anything if that happened.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:20:38 PM EDT

[#25]

Is the dag alright ?

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:21:26 PM EDT

[#26]

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Posted: 10/4/2021 2:23:10 PM EDT

[#27]

I don’t understand the point of this post.

I’d be pissed if my dad aired out my fuck ups online

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:23:31 PM EDT

[#28]

The fact he couldn't tell a loaded magazine from an empty one by feel says a lot.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:24:11 PM EDT

[#29]

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Yeah when I do dryfire drills it doesn't happen in the same room as any ammo, in mags or not.

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Also, check, double check, triple check. If you leave the room or put the gun down, repeat.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:24:28 PM EDT

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If he truly was a safety Nazi, he would have dummy mags painted yellow without followers or springs to make sure he doesn't have an ND.

He could have killed the meter reader!!!

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I use the fruity colored lancers that a GD thread convinced me to buy

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:26:43 PM EDT

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I don’t understand the point of this post.

I’d be pissed if my dad aired out my fuck ups online

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As much as the people in this thread like talking tough and passing judgment, I think the point of this thread is to remind them that a single moment of negligence can ruin everything. Handling firearms perfectly 100% of the time doesn't come automatically by virtue of being naturally "better" than OP's son; it takes conscious effort and humility, and sobering reminders help with that.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:27:18 PM EDT

[#32]

OP keeps saying safety nazi, but I don't think he knows what that is.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:28:08 PM EDT

[#33]

Never ever have live ammo anywhere in the area when dry fireing or practicing reloads.
Ever

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:28:55 PM EDT

[#34]

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Yeah when I do dryfire drills it doesn't happen in the same room as any ammo, in mags or not.

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This, plus aiming at something that wouldn’t be costly in the event of an ND - Basement wall preferred when it’s an option.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:30:51 PM EDT

[#35]

I'm airing this out to all as a wakeup.

Yes. He screwed the pooch on this.

I asked him how he could make the mistake. And he was honest about it and owned up to it
I'm stunned about it

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:31:31 PM EDT

[#36]

I don't know about an AUG, but another safety step with an AR is to have a cheap ass BCG with the firing pin filed down so that even if you screwed up and put a live round in there it would never fire. You also need to paint the BCG yellow.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:32:07 PM EDT

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I'm airing this out to all as a wakeup.

Yes. He screwed the pooch on this.

I asked him how he could make the mistake. And he was honest about it and owned up to it
I'm stunned about it

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He probably should get a full nuero eval, maybe he is under a lot of stress at home or recently had a traumatic event.

There are numerous studies that show slip ups like he made are due to those aforemention things.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:33:23 PM EDT

[#38]

Not sure how one can mistake a full mag for an empty mag, but whatever, I’m glad at least no one gained any new holes and I’m sure lessons were learned.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:33:28 PM EDT

[#39]

Being a bullpup has nothing at all to do with anything. You can't see your ejection port with you AR on your shoulder also.

You can be perfectly safe... until you're not.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:33:31 PM EDT

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If he truly was a safety Nazi, he would have dummy mags painted yellow without followers or springs to make sure he doesn't have an ND.

He could have killed the meter reader!!!

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As used here before, maybe he is a "nazi" as in he did nazi see the mag was loaded?

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:36:48 PM EDT

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How do you confused a loaded mag for an empty one? Even if you don't visually inspect; I would think that the weight difference would be a dead give away.

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This.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:42:00 PM EDT

[#42]

Glad no one got hurt.

ProTip: NEVER have live ammo ANYWHERE NEAR where you are conducting practice drills like that. Just too easy to pick up a live round. Minimum 10 ft away -- well out of reach.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:42:00 PM EDT

[#43]

It happens. The good news no one was hurt. In most people it serves as a wake up call to attention to details.

When I was 16 I shot a hole through my mattress. Mom made me sew up the holes and Dad made me patch the hole in the wall and paint the room.

The only safety analysis done was when my Dad said, “Hey, shit for brains, did you learn anything?”

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:43:46 PM EDT

[#44]

This is why we can't have nice things.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:52:51 PM EDT

[#45]

Obvious stuff is obvious, when you're sitting back, sipping on a coke.

When you're task-purpose focused, less so.

Same way .300 BO rounds end up in mags, and mags of such end up in 5.56 guns. Super obviously and only a moron can screw that up, right? That is, until BEEP, [go fast] eye's on target [go fast], focus [go fast], grab mag/insert/drop [go fast] - KABOOM!.

People do that. They don't notice obvious stuff, when distracted, or just task focused and relying on muscle memory to do some of the sub-tasks. You and I are people too.

I haven't had an AD yet at home, but in the hundred thousand or so rounds I've shot by now, I can't say I haven't sent a round downrange when I wasn't really expecting to. Or that I haven't ever racked an empty gun and had a live round pop out. Rare in the extreme, but yea - moments that give one pause, I'll say that!

Shit happens. The trick is rather than relying on your attention at the time, try to build systems and practices where it's set-up where it shouldn't come down to you paying attention in the first place. Keeping live-mags separate, etc, is the obvious first one. And that one was failed. Son was racking and running the AUG, with a live mag nearby. He either knew, or should have known, that mag was around; but didn't think to clear his area first, to prevent just this.

Lesson learned, round didn't hurt anybody. And he's now $0.60 poorer.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:53:05 PM EDT

[#46]

If you're doing mag change drills with dryfire and somehow you can lay a hand on a loaded mag by accident you are in no way a "safety Nazi".

I have mags that I use for mag change drills. They have the followers removed, and I add a stripe of blue tape to these mags, blue being the color used to designate inert ordnance.

They don't have the same weight as a real loaded mag. I'm fine with that small difference in training. If it was really important, I'd glue some lead inside to weight them.

Posted: 10/4/2021 2:54:47 PM EDT

[#47]

Years ago, at my now closed indoor firing range, the counter help got back a rental 22LR lever action Henry, yep a round was stuck in the chamber but it didn't get ejected when he worked the action; and yep, it went bang; it put a hole in the soda pop machine, that didn't belong to the range but to a vendor. They were lucky no one was hurt or worse.