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Posted: 11/3/2022 6:56:56 PM EDT
Thought you'd enjoy some WW2 uniforms I picked up the other day. Quite the finds.
This is a rare 82nd Chemical Mortar Battallion uniform with an uber rare bullion patch and Japanese-made DUIs. Named to Wilbur Meyers/Myers from Story County, Iowa. I've never seen a bullion 82nd CMB patch before; non-bullion patches from that unit are rare enough. As far as I know, this is the only bullion 82nd CMB patch in existence.  The super rare patch:            I also picked up Col. Edward Bird's shirt. He was with the 168th IR, 34th ID (where he was badly wounded in combat, losing a few fingers, visible in the last photo) before being transferred to the 180th IR, 45th ID. He stayed in the guard after the war and retired a Brigadier General, and the Gold Star Museum Memorial Library at Camp Dodge is named after him. He was also the president of the 34th Infantry Division association from 1947-1948. I'll likely donate this piece to the Gold Star Museum.      Lastly, the uniform of Lieutenant Ray W. Jennings of Des Moines. He was a naval aviator before becoming Naval Intelligence. He passed away last year.      Truly amazing men. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 6:59:30 PM EDT
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 Glad you are saving the from the dump/obscurity. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:01:30 PM EDT
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Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:03:59 PM EDT
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Incredible. Nice piece of history, OP.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:04:19 PM EDT
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OP wins today.
What's up with the stitching on the patches on the first blouse? I have seen that type of zig zag stitching before, sure doesn't look regulation though!!!!! |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:04:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. Fucking Jarheads. Every time. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP wins today. What's up with the stitching on the patches on the first blouse? I have seen that type of zig zag stitching before, sure doesn't look regulation though!!!!! Pretty standard for late-war/immediately postwar Class As. It's called cross-stitching and was a way to dress up a uniform. Standards weren't as strict back then and guys had more leeway, especially postwar. Here's an original 101st patch (on a cut-down M43 jacket) with blue cross-stitching.  
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:17:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty standard for late-war/immediately postwar Class As. It's called cross-stitching and was a way to dress up a uniform. Standards weren't as strict back then and guys had more leeway, especially postwar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP wins today. What's up with the stitching on the patches on the first blouse? I have seen that type of zig zag stitching before, sure doesn't look regulation though!!!!! Pretty standard for late-war/immediately postwar Class As. It's called cross-stitching and was a way to dress up a uniform. Standards weren't as strict back then and guys had more leeway, especially postwar. Thanks for explaining, excellent post. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. Why are you acting like a tool? |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:23:21 PM EDT
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That bullion patch is dead sexy! I too am a sucker for bullion patches. Most of my stuff is laundry marked but not really researched.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. 
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. I hope your day gets better.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:36:41 PM EDT
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Saw when you posted this on Facebook. Glad you went and purchased it. Beautiful.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:39:39 PM EDT
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Damn uniforms look basically new.
Nice find. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:59:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty standard for late-war/immediately postwar Class As. It's called cross-stitching and was a way to dress up a uniform. Standards weren't as strict back then and guys had more leeway, especially postwar. Here's an original 101st patch (on a cut-down M43 jacket) with blue cross-stitching. https://i.imgur.com/Cg7NNxl.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/ikGQloB.jpeg It looks like dog shit. Same as tilting their covers to one side. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 7:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like dog shit. Same as tilting their covers to one side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty standard for late-war/immediately postwar Class As. It's called cross-stitching and was a way to dress up a uniform. Standards weren't as strict back then and guys had more leeway, especially postwar. Here's an original 101st patch (on a cut-down M43 jacket) with blue cross-stitching. https://i.imgur.com/Cg7NNxl.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/ikGQloB.jpeg It looks like dog shit. Same as tilting their covers to one side. My piss cutter had quite the rakish angle when I wore it, complete with EGA. Easy bruh. It's ok. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like dog shit. Same as tilting their covers to one side. Go rub one out dude..seriously |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. User name fits. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:13:13 PM EDT
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The colonel's uniform has a 45th Infantry Division, Thunderbird, on it. The 34th was a red bull's head on a black snowball.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like dog shit. Same as tilting their covers to one side. Dang. Youre a bit of a tool arent you. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you acting like a tool? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. Why are you acting like a tool? Who says he’s just acting? |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:23:33 PM EDT
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JFC, someone needs a timeout and a nap.
Fuck the dissenter, OP was cool today. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:24:21 PM EDT
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Really cool OP! TY for the history of each piece too!
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:26:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:28:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like dog shit. Same as tilting their covers to one side. sounds like someone didn't get enough crayons for breakfast this morning. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The colonel's uniform has a 45th Infantry Division, Thunderbird, on it. The 34th was a red bull's head on a black snowball. Like the one on the shirt in this thread? The Red Bull is his “combat patch” and looks correct to me. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:29:47 PM EDT
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Cool
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:39:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC, someone needs a timeout and a nap. Fuck the dissenter, OP was cool today. Sorry to derail OP, I just don't understand the fascination with uniforms old or new. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 8:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty standard for late-war/immediately postwar Class As. It's called cross-stitching and was a way to dress up a uniform. Standards weren't as strict back then and guys had more leeway, especially postwar. Here's an original 101st patch (on a cut-down M43 jacket) with blue cross-stitching. https://i.imgur.com/Cg7NNxl.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/ikGQloB.jpeg That's really cool, I would have never though that real patches would look that crude, If I came across those uniforms, especially the first ones posted, I would have thought that was a costume made with old surplus uniforms. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:01:44 PM EDT
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At the beginning of WWII, the 34th Infantry Battalion HQ was at Boone Iowa. (Boone county) 20 Miles west of Ames Iowa (Story county) There is a 34 Infantry Div HQ detachment at the Boone National Guard armory now along with 2 aviation units and an MI detachment. I drilled out of that armory for 20 years and had 2 activations. In 1990 for Desert Shield/Storm and 2003 for Iraqi Freedom.
As I recall, in WWII the Boone battalion deployed to Louisiana BEFORE the attack at Pearl Harbor. After their training in Louisiana they deployed to North Africa and took on the Germans there. After the Germans left Africa the 34th went to Italy and were there until the war ended. kwg |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:03:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At the beginning of WWII, the 34th Infantry Battalion HQ was at Boone Iowa. (Boone county) 20 Miles west of Ames Iowa (Story county) There is a 34 Infantry Div HQ detachment at the Boone National Guard armory now along with 2 aviation units and an MI detachment. I drilled out of that armory for 20 years and had 2 activations. In 1990 for Desert Shield/Storm and 2003 for Iraqi Freedom. As I recall, in WWII the Boone battalion deployed to Louisiana BEFORE the attack at Pearl Harbor. After their training in Louisiana they deployed to North Africa and took on the Germans there. After the Germans left Africa the 34th went to Italy and were there until the war ended. kwg Correct. Btw, I live in Boone. 
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:08:36 PM EDT
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I've worked with Story City, Ia Meyers.
Don't know if there is any relation. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:09:51 PM EDT
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Pretty cool, thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At the beginning of WWII, the 34th Infantry Battalion HQ was at Boone Iowa. (Boone county) 20 Miles west of Ames Iowa (Story county) There is a 34 Infantry Div HQ detachment at the Boone National Guard armory now along with 2 aviation units and an MI detachment. I drilled out of that armory for 20 years and had 2 activations. In 1990 for Desert Shield/Storm and 2003 for Iraqi Freedom. As I recall, in WWII the Boone battalion deployed to Louisiana BEFORE the attack at Pearl Harbor. After their training in Louisiana they deployed to North Africa and took on the Germans there. After the Germans left Africa the 34th went to Italy and were there until the war ended. kwg |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to derail OP, I just don't understand the fascination with uniforms old or new. Because they're part of history and fucking cool...thats why. If WW2 uniforms trigger you so much maybe you'd be better of hanging around someplace more your style...like a True Romance party.
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to derail OP, I just don't understand the fascination with uniforms old or new. The new and improved GD Ass.... |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like the one on the shirt in this thread? The Red Bull is his “combat patch” and looks correct to me. Yeah, yore right. Red Bull or 34th is on the right shoulder and 45th Thunderbird on the left. |
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Posted: 11/3/2022 9:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to derail OP, I just don't understand the fascination with uniforms old or new. I don't collect them myself (although I recently purchased some WWII combat uniform reproductions) but it's interesting to see how things evolved over the years, and which units did what, and how their patches looked. I started with the weapons and wanting to know about the battles they were used in, and I don't expand much interest out to all the minutiae of clothing, but some people are really into that, or canteen collections, or whatever. I'm getting my equipment together to do a display at a local museum when they do an annual military history event for school kids. They have some Civil War guys, but nobody there has done WWII stuff so I'll give it a shot. Never done that before, but I want to make sure everything I'm showing them is authentic to what the gear was like, how they employed it, and discuss some overall concepts of the war. I've been in a home where a guy (now deceased) had basically a museum's worth of original (I think) uniforms (and other equipment) and he was super into all the fine details of everything, from multiple nations. I'm not at that level, and likely never will be, but hey, if they're not hurting anybody then whatever makes them happy is fine with me. People have all kinds of hobbies/collections. |
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Posted: 11/4/2022 7:58:07 AM EDT
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Question - what is a bullion patch? I’ve never heard that term before? Just curious
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Posted: 11/4/2022 8:59:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question - what is a bullion patch? I’ve never heard that term before? Just curious Good question. It's a patch made with ornamental braid or trimming made with twists of gold or silver thread. They were most often theater-made:most often German, Japanese, or even British made. I believe mine to be Japanes-made. Most often they're USAAF patches, but other units show up.  
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Posted: 11/4/2022 9:13:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to derail OP, I just don't understand the fascination with uniforms old or new. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: JFC, someone needs a timeout and a nap. Fuck the dissenter, OP was cool today. Sorry to derail OP, I just don't understand the fascination with uniforms old or new. |
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Posted: 11/4/2022 9:39:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like dog shit. Same as tilting their covers to one side.   Attached FileStaff Sergeant Darrel Cole, namesake for the destroyer USS Cole:  Marine Lieutenant General Alan Shapley commanded USS Arizona's Marine Detachment as a major. On 7 December, 1941, he was thrown from the foremast 100 feet through the air and into the water -- one of only eight Arizona Marine survivors. Decorated with the Silver Star for gallantry:  Lieutenant General Howlin' Mad Smith:  |
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Posted: 11/4/2022 10:31:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jul/29/2002814948/1920/1080/0/210729-A-ZQ077-004.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18978/decoration_jpg-2587081.JPG Staff Sergeant Darrel Cole, namesake for the destroyer USS Cole: https://i0.wp.com/www.defensemedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Sgt.-Darrell-S.-Cole-USMCR.-scaled.jpg?w=561&ssl=1 Lieutenant General Howlin' Mad Smith: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Holland-smith-USA-P-Marianas-p194.jpg Pogues, all of them. 
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Posted: 11/4/2022 10:41:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to derail OP... |
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Posted: 11/4/2022 10:31:32 PM EDT
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@thunderw21 Thank you for this awesome thread, and for preserving so much great American history.
I’ve been a patch collector myself since I was a kid. I’ll try to post a few specimens from my collection (in this thread or one of my own) when I get back home for the holidays. Cheers! |
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Posted: 11/5/2022 12:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you care what some pogue wore 80 years ago? They also look like there were sew on by a child, like random patches on a random jacket. Go back to your Call of Duty game sonny. |
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