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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:49:38 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:51:27 PM EDT
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It's really just as simple as the fact that it can't be a "right" if it requires someone else in order to exercise it. Healthcare, housing, food, education, internet, etc can't be "rights".
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:52:45 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:53:39 PM EDT
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You have a right to take care of your health. You have a right not to eat poorly to not shoot pot needles in your pointy elbows. You have a right to pay an expert for their expertise at a rate that you and he agree to.
You don't have a right to use other peoples money to pay for your stuff. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:56:07 PM EDT
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I think what most of those folks really mean is that health care should be an entitlement.
Not in the "I am personally entitled to the labor of others." sense but in the "You and I should both be legally entitled to health care as citizens of these United States." Kind of like how citizens of most developed countries are entitled to health care by way of their citizenship. Right now, that legal entitlement does not exist in the US. A hell of a lot of people think that should change, and I think they will get what they want within the decade. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:57:24 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:58:21 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:59:02 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 4:59:45 PM EDT
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I think what most of those folks really mean is that health care should be an entitlement. Not in the "I am personally entitled to the labor of others." sense but in the "You and I should both be legally entitled to health care as citizens of these United States." Kind of like how citizens of most developed countries are entitled to health care by way of their citizenship. Right now, that legal entitlement does not exist in the US. A hell of a lot of people think that should change, and I think they will get what they want within the decade. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:00:40 PM EDT
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Well to be fair.......no one is going to provide medical care for free. Medical professionals will be compensated......at tax payers expense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. I'm not the one receiving the service here, why am I on the hook for it? Are they going to start buying my groceries and gas, too? 
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:01:19 PM EDT
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I think what most of those folks really mean is that health care should be an entitlement. Not in the "I am personally entitled to the labor of others." sense but in the "You and I should both be legally entitled to health care as citizens of these United States." Kind of like how citizens of most developed countries are entitled to health care by way of their citizenship. Right now, that legal entitlement does not exist in the US. A hell of a lot of people think that should change, and I think they will get what they want within the decade. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:01:48 PM EDT
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What is their answer when you ask them this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:03:00 PM EDT
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I agree there is a right to healthcare. You have a right to all the healthcare you can afford.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:04:02 PM EDT
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It's really just as simple as the fact that it can't be a "right" if it requires someone else in order to exercise it. Healthcare, housing, food, education, internet, etc can't be "rights". 
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:05:09 PM EDT
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I’ll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours
Bob Dylan |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:05:58 PM EDT
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A right? I think they are enumerated in the Constitution. I must of missed that one, maybe I should read it again.
Fucking liberal retards. 
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:06:04 PM EDT
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You have a right to access to healthcare.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:07:21 PM EDT
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FPNI
Right to others labor = slavery. Plain and simple. Ask the tards if they advocate for slavery. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:08:19 PM EDT
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A right? I think they are enumerated in the Constitution. I must of missed that one, maybe I should read it again.
Fucking liberal retards. 
"Rights" are not spelled out on a piece of paper. They are inherent to you. That piece of paper is a restriction on how the government treats those rights. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:09:19 PM EDT
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You have a right to the very best healthcare you can afford.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:09:29 PM EDT
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I think what most of those folks really mean is that health care should be an entitlement. Not in the "I am personally entitled to the labor of others." sense but in the "You and I should both be legally entitled to health care as citizens of these United States." Kind of like how citizens of most developed countries are entitled to health care by way of their citizenship. Right now, that legal entitlement does not exist in the US. A hell of a lot of people think that should change, and I think they will get what they want within the decade. And what does citizenship have to do with it? All needy people have a right to American healthcare. CA is going to lead the way by providing taxpayer funded healthcare to illegals. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you are saying . . . blowjobs are not a right. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:10:47 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. (Tip o' the hat to Bill Hicks.) |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:12:18 PM EDT
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Happens when the left moves to different states
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:13:13 PM EDT
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Even if it was a right, that doesn't mean it's free. Unless radio, tv, newspapers and internet are required to give me a platform for free. And where's my free guns?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are too stupid to understand what a right is. And what does citizenship have to do with it? All needy people have a right to American healthcare. CA is going to lead the way by providing taxpayer funded healthcare to illegals. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:18:19 PM EDT
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Negative Vs. Positive Rights. "The Social Contract", ect. All a bunch of Socialist gobbledygook used to justify State coercion towards ones selfish ends. Although it may be likely that they do not understand it, or are capable of articulating it, someone is and has. And then disingenuous politicians latch onto those things to garner votes from people who want said free shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:18:38 PM EDT
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Which leads to me asking them why they believe forcing me to pay for their stuff is okay. I'm not the one receiving the service here, why am I on the hook for it? Are they going to start buying my groceries and gas, too? Usually I just walk away laughing at that point. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:19:32 PM EDT
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Is health care a thing that naturally exists, or is it something that has to be provided? Can I go to the MRI machine tree and pick an MRI machine fruit off the tree? Can I go to the surgery tree and eat the fruit and know how to do surgery? No somebody has to go in the ground to get the material somebody has to build the factory that turn the materials into the machine somebody has to build a machine somebody has to know how to work the machines it's a service provided by the labor of others no matter what you call it. So while you jerk yourself off to try to deny it, you're basically saying yeah you have a right a legal right to the labor and period of Life of another person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think what most of those folks really mean is that health care should be an entitlement. Not in the "I am personally entitled to the labor of others." sense but in the "You and I should both be legally entitled to health care as citizens of these United States." Kind of like how citizens of most developed countries are entitled to health care by way of their citizenship. Right now, that legal entitlement does not exist in the US. A hell of a lot of people think that should change, and I think they will get what they want within the decade. Access to health care is not a right in the same way that you or I have a right to free speech or self defense. I'm not arguing that and you know it. The people that want health care as a "right" want health care to be provided by the government to all citizens just like any other legal entitlement. What you or I think about it is inconsequential. Some kind of universal health care is coming, and you will take advantage of it just like everyone else. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:20:10 PM EDT
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Lazy narcissistic asshats.
Get off your ass and earn your keep. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:20:52 PM EDT
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I think you're right, but I would spin a little differently and more cynically. They mean "I can't force a doctor to work on me, and I can't force the rich guy at the end of the street to pay a doctor to work on me. Let's gather up a big gang and get both!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think what most of those folks really mean is that health care should be an entitlement. Not in the "I am personally entitled to the labor of others." sense but in the "You and I should both be legally entitled to health care as citizens of these United States." Kind of like how citizens of most developed countries are entitled to health care by way of their citizenship. Right now, that legal entitlement does not exist in the US. A hell of a lot of people think that should change, and I think they will get what they want within the decade. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:22:41 PM EDT
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Some claim there is a right to health care. Enjoy your "right". |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:24:31 PM EDT
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They are too stupid to understand what a right is. And what does citizenship have to do with it? All needy people have a right to American healthcare. CA is going to lead the way by providing taxpayer funded healthcare to illegals. Whether you like it or not, it's coming. Because you cannot win when the options are "free" and "literally anything else". It's coming. And you will use it because 1) you won't have much choice and 2) it will be "free" for all practical purposes. It might chap your ass but they will give you a cream for that too. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:24:38 PM EDT
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Oh I’ve heard that too.......all “basic needs” will be provided by government funding. Usually I just walk away laughing at that point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which leads to me asking them why they believe forcing me to pay for their stuff is okay. I'm not the one receiving the service here, why am I on the hook for it? Are they going to start buying my groceries and gas, too? Usually I just walk away laughing at that point. And of course I have to ask if they believe the US is "other countries" or if we have our own problems and advantages other countries don't. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:25:46 PM EDT
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Exactly. Whether you like it or not, it's coming. Because you cannot win when the options are "free" and "literally anything else". It's coming. And you will use it because 1) you won't have much choice and 2) it will be "free" for all practical purposes. It might chap your ass but they will give you a cream for that too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are too stupid to understand what a right is. And what does citizenship have to do with it? All needy people have a right to American healthcare. CA is going to lead the way by providing taxpayer funded healthcare to illegals. Whether you like it or not, it's coming. Because you cannot win when the options are "free" and "literally anything else". It's coming. And you will use it because 1) you won't have much choice and 2) it will be "free" for all practical purposes. It might chap your ass but they will give you a cream for that too. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:31:45 PM EDT
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Even if there was, i shouldnt have to pay for it.
Do taxes pay for guns, 2ndA? Do taxes pay for news for us to read? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:33:05 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:34:49 PM EDT
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Yeah, I believe so. Barring balkanization. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:35:59 PM EDT
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I’d be ok with just fixing the shit show we have for health care currently.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:36:54 PM EDT
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I’d be ok with just fixing the shit show we have for health care currently. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:38:39 PM EDT
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What's wrong with it? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:40:55 PM EDT
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De-evolution into a Marxist society is nearly complete
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:42:09 PM EDT
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Government interference Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's wrong with it?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:44:26 PM EDT
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This subject again?
Do you have a right to a free gun? Yes or no? Does that answer in any way effect your rights as enumerated in the 2nd Amendment? If you don't have a right to healthcare, then the government can restrict your ability to get healthcare. Is that really the world you want to live in? That is what rights are. Things the government can only restrict when there is a really really good reason. You better pray you never get what you wish for on this until you figure out what you are actually wishing for. Do any of you actually think this shit though before knee jerking it? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:44:35 PM EDT
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I always ask them what right they have to another person's labor without compensation. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:45:20 PM EDT
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How can there be a right to anything that requires somebody else's labor or money?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:45:38 PM EDT
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Which leads to me asking them why they believe forcing me to pay for their stuff is okay. I'm not the one receiving the service here, why am I on the hook for it? Are they going to start buying my groceries and gas, too? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well to be fair.......no one is going to provide medical care for free. Medical professionals will be compensated......at tax payers expense. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:48:25 PM EDT
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I’d be ok with just fixing the shit show we have for health care currently. Over priced meds (tell me why $12 in materials for IV fluids costs thousands of dollars? Why four pills of aspirin costs hundreds?) Over priced procedures (EKGs, I&Ds, etc are grossly overpriced and it’s not the doctors that are reaping the benefits ) Doctors doing shotgun testing and ordering unnecessary diagnostic testing (lawyers and patient satisfaction has made doctors gunshy to diagnose without a battery of unnecessary tests) Lack of insurance company communication between patients and hospitals. (You could do everything right and schedule an outpatient procedure and still get billed out the ass because a hospital put an out of network provider in your care, without you knowing about it) Patient satisfaction scores and readmits dinging hospitals for reimbursements. (Patient satisfaction does not lead to better patient outcomes and can force docs to prescribe unnecessary opioids or antibiotics as well as unnecessary testing. Not to mention poor patient compliance can lead to readmissons) I could go on for pages, but fix those things and it’s a start. I’m ok with paying my own way, but some of the shit these guys get away with is criminal. |
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