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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty naive if you think that's how things actually work. That fails to take into account employee contracts, unions, and not to mention there are several exceptions to the whole at-will thing. Also, if fired with cause because of drugs usually they can't receive unemployment, which saves the employer money on their unemployment taxes. I don't know of a similar drug test rule for alcohol and I bet the marijuana one gets rolled back. Gov. Fallin is already talking about a special session to repeal the devil weed if it passes. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:27:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Imabballer
Make prohibition great again! 
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:30:31 PM EDT
[#3]
3 precincts in and it is 55.5% yes to 44.5% no.
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:32:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because drug users only ever kill themselves right? Nobody innocent ever pays the price? |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:34:17 PM EDT
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Because drug users only ever kill themselves right? Nobody innocent ever pays the price? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm for legalizing everything and letting Darwin win. Remove any state/federal funding of drug help and let users/abusers die at their own hand. I guess the gov knows what is good for us, we should thank them for keeping us safe. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:36:04 PM EDT
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13 in, still 55-44
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It says you can't fire based solely on a drug test. If he appears high, is that based on a drug test? There's no way I can fire somebody with cause without relying upon an objective drug test. The test that this law would deprive me of being able to use. I also think you are missing the word OR in that paragraph. The statue is written badly and would be difficult to prove whether "solely" applies to both before and after the OR. What if someone chugs a 40 before showing up at work and isn't showing any signs of it when you see them? This whole discussion revolves around the person being obviously impaired. This will probably get rolled back later anyways. Ok, if you say so. Everybody saying the law isn't perfect is throwing away good in the quest for great. Progress will never be made if you will only vote yes on perfection (which is exactly what the drug warriors want). I guess that's me, I hope it's never legalized in a form that causes impairment. I have no problem with pills/oils that don't have THC and don't cause impairment however. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:39:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: It says you can't fire based solely on a drug test. If he appears high, is that based on a drug test? There's no way I can fire somebody with cause without relying upon an objective drug test. The test that this law would deprive me of being able to use. I also think you are missing the word OR in that paragraph. The statue is written badly and would be difficult to prove whether "solely" applies to both before and after the OR. What if someone chugs a 40 before showing up at work and isn't showing any signs of it when you see them? This whole discussion revolves around the person being obviously impaired. This will probably get rolled back later anyways. Ok, if you say so. Everybody saying the law isn't perfect is throwing away good in the quest for great. Progress will never be made if you will only vote yes on perfection (which is exactly what the drug warriors want). I guess that's me, I hope it's never legalized in a form that causes impairment. I have no problem with pills/oils that don't have THC and don't cause impairment however. I can respect your position more if you don't drink alcohol. Let's ban both. I don't either. But the government shouldn't be in the business of deciding what we eat, smoke, etc. Plus I'm not sure the evidence is there that usage is lower if it is illegal. It will certainly be safer if legal because it won't be associated with criminals and quality will be better controlled. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:42:04 PM EDT
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Like people killed by drunk drivers? I guess the gov knows what is good for us, we should thank them for keeping us safe. Thanks for making my point. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:44:23 PM EDT
[#10]
I hope it passes and I hope President Trump legalizes it nationwide.
I just want to see the liberal heads explode and watch all the liberals stay home Election Day because they are stoned. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:44:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly like the people killed by drunk drivers. So lets get more impaired drivers on the streets so more innocent people can be killed by impaired drivers.... Thanks for making my point. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:51:26 PM EDT
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Exactly like the people killed by drunk drivers. So lets get more impaired drivers on the streets so more innocent people can be killed by impaired drivers.... Thanks for making my point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Like people killed by drunk drivers? I guess the gov knows what is good for us, we should thank them for keeping us safe. Thanks for making my point. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:54:35 PM EDT
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Some of the ignorant comments in this thread and some are by Okies
 you make me think you are far more liberal than conservative.
Yes, pot needles everywhere, lets ban alcohol also since it causes drunk drivers, and guns kill so you should turn your guns in and move over to DU with your skinny jeans and man bun. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 8:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you test for alcohol? Do you do blood tests? Sure, breath or blood tests. I can respect your position more if you don't drink alcohol. Let's ban both. I don't either. I know it's not a popular opinion and I am obviously hugely in the minority but I would ban both. But the government shouldn't be in the business of deciding what we eat, smoke, etc. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That's my gripe. If we all lived in a bubble where users could only hurt themselves I would vote today to legalize everything. But we don't, and people who use intoxicating substances have a massively disproportionate chance of hindering my pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That makes me ok with seeing it regulated. Guns don't inherently increase the chance somebody interferes with my rights, drugs many times do. Plus I'm not sure the evidence is there that usage is lower if it is illegal. I am to lazy to look up any studies but common sense tell me that if it is legalized the de-stigmatization would make it more socially acceptable to use, which would increase usage dramatically. It will certainly be safer if legal because it won't be associated with criminals and quality will be better controlled. I certainly see the logic in that argument. I can see where the actual substance could be safer for the user. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:00:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because nobody smokes pot in OK now. Right? |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:08:22 PM EDT
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Some of the ignorant comments in this thread and some are by Okies Insult instead of debate, sounds more like a liberal tactic than a conservative one. you make me think you are far more liberal than conservative. Because legalization of illegal drugs has always been the mainstay of the conservative platform right? I think you have your right and left sides mixed up.
Yes, pot needles everywhere, lets ban alcohol also since it causes drunk drivers, and guns kill so you should turn your guns in and move over to DU with your skinny jeans and man bun. Again, equating drugs to guns is not a logical argument, just a convenient one for you to try to make. I'm about as far from a DUer as you can get. I'm a conservative, and on some issues a libertarian, but not everything, not when it either picks my pocket or breaks my leg. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course they do. Common sense tells me that the usage will go up with legalization however. Usage going up means more impaired drivers on the roads, which means more deaths from impaired drivers, which was my point. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course they do. Common sense tells me that the usage will go up with legalization however. Usage going up means more impaired drivers on the roads, which means more deaths from impaired drivers, which was my point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course they do. Common sense tells me that the usage will go up with legalization however. Usage going up means more impaired drivers on the roads, which means more deaths from impaired drivers, which was my point. These facts suggest that, while lenient DUI laws do seem to be associated with higher fatality rates in some states, for the most part there is no consistent relationship between these two measures. However, one factor that does seem to have an impact is population density (number of people per square mile). On average, the 10 states with the lowest fatality rates have a population density almost 600% higher than the 10 states with the highest fatality rates. ... These findings line up neatly with what we know about differences in urban and rural driving; according to the NHTSA, even though “an estimated 19 percent of the U.S. population lived in rural areas” in 2013, “rural fatalities accounted for 54 percent of all traffic fatalities” that year. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:12:09 PM EDT
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about 25% of the precincts in....54% to 46% in favor
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:12:58 PM EDT
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Come on Oklahoma!
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:15:26 PM EDT
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I hope it passes and I hope President Trump legalizes it nationwide. I just want to see the liberal heads explode and watch all the liberals stay home Election Day because they are stoned. 
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:19:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:26:35 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You posted above that you would ban alchohol sales as well? I'm done responding to you . Have a good night. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:33:29 PM EDT
[#24]
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If my experience at the polls today is any indication, not a chance it passes. I was the youngest there by 40 years. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:35:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I fully expect to be looked at as a leper for my opinion. I know it's not a popular one. You strongly disagree with me for my stance on marijuana but were willing to engage and debate. I completely respect that, you are entitled to your opinion and vote every bit as much as I am. When I say I would ban alcohol for the exact same reason when alcohol is obviously more dangerous than marijuana I am at least being intellectually honest. I would be an absolute hypocrite to oppose one and not the other. If that logical consistency makes me unworthy of debate, goodnight. You sound like you hardly deserve the freedoms you already enjoy. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:35:22 PM EDT
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I was obviously making a generality about illegal drugs, not just marijuana. I don't think that a person on marijuana is necessarily more dangerous to society. However if I am misunderstanding you and you would make the argument somebody on PCP isn't more dangerous to society I would love to hear that argument. One of the points I am making is that if society can ban pcp, they can ban marijuana. Drugs don't have a second amendment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drugs are also inanimate objects that must be used with caution. That last part is just silly. By the prohibition and subsequent legalization of alcohol, the Constitution actually recognized a drug. Mind blown? |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:38:16 PM EDT
[#27]
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I fully expect to be looked at as a leper for my opinion. I know it's not a popular one. You strongly disagree with me for my stance on marijuana but were willing to engage and debate. I completely respect that, you are entitled to your opinion and vote every bit as much as I am. When I say I would ban alcohol for the exact same reason when alcohol is obviously more dangerous than marijuana I am at least being intellectually honest. I would be an absolute hypocrite to oppose one and not the other. If that logical consistency makes me unworthy of debate, goodnight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You posted above that you would ban alchohol sales as well? I'm done responding to you . Have a good night. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:39:40 PM EDT
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I know it's not a popular opinion and I am obviously hugely in the minority but I would ban both. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That's my gripe. If we all lived in a bubble where users could only hurt themselves I would vote today to legalize everything. But we don't, and people who use intoxicating substances have a massively disproportionate chance of hindering my pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That makes me ok with seeing it regulated. Guns don't inherently increase the chance somebody interferes with my rights, drugs many times do. Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 157: Alcohol Prohibition Was a Failure Prohibition, which failed to improve health and virtue in America, can afford some invaluable lessons. First, it can provide some perspective on the current crisis in drug prohibition--a 75-year effort that is increasingly viewed as a failure. Repeal of Prohibition dramatically reduced crime, including organized crime, and corruption. Jobs were created, and new voluntary efforts, such as Alcoholics Anonymous, which was begun in 1934, succeeded in helping alcoholics. Those lessons can be applied to the current crisis in drug prohibition and the problems of drug abuse. Second, the lessons of Prohibition should be used to curb the urge to prohibit. Neo Prohibition of alcohol and prohibition of tobacco would result in more crime, corruption, and dangerous products and increased government control over the average citizen's life. Finally, Prohibition provides a general lesson that society can no more be successfully engineered in the United States than in the Soviet Union. Prohibition was supposed to be an economic and moral bonanza. Prisons and poorhouses were to be emptied, taxes cut, and social problems eliminated. Productivity was to skyrocket and absenteeism disappear. The economy was to enter a never-ending boom. That utopian outlook was shattered by the stock market crash of 1929. Prohibition did not improve productivity or reduce absenteeism. In contrast, private regulation of employees' drinking improved productivity, reduced absenteeism, and reduced industrial accidents wherever it was tried before, during, and after Prohibition. In summary, Prohibition did not achieve its goals. Instead, it added to the problems it was intended to solve and supplanted other ways of addressing problems. The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers, crime bosses, and the forces of big government. Carroll Wooddy concluded that the "Eighteenth Amendment . . . contributed substantially to the growth of government and of government costs in this period [1915-32]." Full Article (PDF) |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:42:24 PM EDT
[#29]
Someone smoking pot or drinking a beer after work in their own home is a direct threat to me and mine! Fuck freedom! I care about the people!
We should also ban cars, large "high capacity" sodas, guns, boats, motorcycles, bicycles, swimming pools, solid food, and everything else. We need to save the children! |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:44:06 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I hope it passes and I hope President Trump legalizes it nationwide. I just want to see the liberal heads explode and watch all the liberals stay home Election Day because they are stoned. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:46:50 PM EDT
[#31]
56% of the precincts in....and still 55 to 45% in favor
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:47:19 PM EDT
[#32]
ETA
61% precincts reporting: 55% Yes 44% No |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:49:04 PM EDT
[#33]
Motherfucker
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:49:45 PM EDT
[#34]
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Motherfucker |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:50:18 PM EDT
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We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee We don't take our trips on LSD We don't burn our draft cards down on Main Street We like livin' right, and bein' free Quote HistoryQuoted:
We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee We don't take our trips on LSD We don't burn our draft cards down on Main Street We like livin' right, and bein' free Haggard was best known for his 1969 song “Okie From Muskogee,” which protested the counterculture of the time with such lines as “We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee/We don’t take our trips on LSD” and “We don’t burn our draft cards down at the courthouse.”
The song won him an audience at the Nixon White House in 1973. Haggard later said that he did not intend the song as a political anthem; in fact, he acknowledged his own drug use by stating that he often smoked marijuana before going out on stage. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:54:57 PM EDT
[#36]
It's gonna pass easy
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:55:47 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You're right. Prohibition worked wonderfully and reduced crime, improving everyone's lives in the process. Cato Institute Policy Analysis No. 157: Alcohol Prohibition Was a Failure Prohibition, which failed to improve health and virtue in America, can afford some invaluable lessons. First, it can provide some perspective on the current crisis in drug prohibition--a 75-year effort that is increasingly viewed as a failure. Repeal of Prohibition dramatically reduced crime, including organized crime, and corruption. Jobs were created, and new voluntary efforts, such as Alcoholics Anonymous, which was begun in 1934, succeeded in helping alcoholics. Those lessons can be applied to the current crisis in drug prohibition and the problems of drug abuse. Second, the lessons of Prohibition should be used to curb the urge to prohibit. Neo Prohibition of alcohol and prohibition of tobacco would result in more crime, corruption, and dangerous products and increased government control over the average citizen's life. Finally, Prohibition provides a general lesson that society can no more be successfully engineered in the United States than in the Soviet Union. Prohibition was supposed to be an economic and moral bonanza. Prisons and poorhouses were to be emptied, taxes cut, and social problems eliminated. Productivity was to skyrocket and absenteeism disappear. The economy was to enter a never-ending boom. That utopian outlook was shattered by the stock market crash of 1929. Prohibition did not improve productivity or reduce absenteeism. In contrast, private regulation of employees' drinking improved productivity, reduced absenteeism, and reduced industrial accidents wherever it was tried before, during, and after Prohibition. In summary, Prohibition did not achieve its goals. Instead, it added to the problems it was intended to solve and supplanted other ways of addressing problems. The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers, crime bosses, and the forces of big government. Carroll Wooddy concluded that the "Eighteenth Amendment . . . contributed substantially to the growth of government and of government costs in this period [1915-32]." Full Article (PDF) Making it legal isn't going to make for less crime compared to what we already have. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:56:38 PM EDT
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Motherfucker Nobody is going to move to OK for medical MJ |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:58:14 PM EDT
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It's gonna pass easy |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 9:58:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's gonna pass easy |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:00:49 PM EDT
[#41]
72% reporting
55% for 44% against |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:01:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Fight vegans and hippies. Smoke meat, not weed.
I can't wait for our stage hands to start dropping 40lbs stage weights from the weight floor 80 feet above the stage because they are high.
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:02:21 PM EDT
[#43]
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Fight vegans and hippies. Smoke meat, not weed. I can't wait for our stage hands to start dropping 40lbs stage weights from the weight floor 80 feet above the stage because they are high. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:04:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fight vegans and hippies. Smoke meat, not weed. I can't wait for our stage hands to start dropping 40lbs stage weights from the weight floor 80 feet above the stage because they are high. 
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:05:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He strongly disagrees because you are openly oppressive. You have all the same talking points as a Marxist. You sound like you hardly deserve the freedoms you already enjoy. If I can oppose even one, then it would be logically consistent of me to oppose all of them that share similar characteristics and danger to others. I understand you don't agree with that opinion of mine, but do you notice I'm not calling you names? I would much rather discuss it with you. Maybe you can convince me to change my opinion that way, or I you. (So Marxist of me.) Also, I feel like I've already made this point, but the opposition to the legalization of illegal drugs has been the platform of the conservative party for as long as I've been alive. Do you understand what a Marxist is? (It's not a conservative.) I concede that I go the extra step to include alcohol, which apparently makes it perfectly reasonable to dismiss any opinion I have. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:05:34 PM EDT
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Your stage hands are likely already high, whether it be on weed or synthetic opioids. Now, we won't be able to do that, because they "are on medication, for a medical problem". |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:06:50 PM EDT
[#47]
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No, they are not. And if we sense any inebriation in them, they are immediately pulled form the crew and reported to the Union steward who sends them home. Now, we won't be able to do that, because they "are on medication, for a medical problem". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your stage hands are likely already high, whether it be on weed or synthetic opioids. Now, we won't be able to do that, because they "are on medication, for a medical problem". How many of them do you think are taking "medicine" in the form of synthetic opioids? |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:06:56 PM EDT
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Motherfucker |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:07:25 PM EDT
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I fully understand how it works. I understand that you don't have to get intoxicated when you drink. I also understand if I don't drink or do drugs I will never get intoxicated by alchohol or drugs. I chose to never get recreationally intoxicated, so I play it safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, so you don't know how this works? Sobriety/intoxication isn't a binary condition. |
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Posted: 6/26/2018 10:07:37 PM EDT
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Look at all of the nanny statist motherfuckers in this thread! |
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