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Posted: 5/24/2020 4:48:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cold Blooded Cafe and Perfect Prey are both great feeder companies ran by good people. Rodent Pro has somewhat of a "shady" history. I've gone with Rodent Pro for years, but I may have to one of the other places a try next time. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 3:02:22 PM EDT
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I read somewhere that the F/T mice from Petco/Petsmart are no good. Is this true? Why would their F/T not be any different from rodent pro or the other mentioned places?
I got a box of 4 F/T from there thinking they would be basically the same thing. I forgot what the brand/company they came from. I can look when I get back home. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 4:47:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read somewhere that the F/T mice from Petco/Petsmart are no good. Is this true? Why would their F/T not be any different from rodent pro or the other mentioned places? I got a box of 4 F/T from there thinking they would be basically the same thing. I forgot what the brand/company they came from. I can look when I get back home. I had to get a few frozen fuzzies from PetSmart while I was waiting for my shipment from RodentPro. They just didn't seem as appetizing to my Indigo thet the stuff from RodentPro did. No idea why. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 5:10:23 PM EDT
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Quote History@Ramsey118 Awesome clutch. Two hets and four clowns. Enchi pastel clown and enchi pastel het? That one looks super super clown.  |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 5:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to get a few frozen fuzzies from PetSmart while I was waiting for my shipment from RodentPro. They just didn't seem as appetizing to my Indigo thet the stuff from RodentPro did. No idea why. Good to know. Maybe I’ll go ahead and place an order from one of these places and get some better food on the way. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 5:23:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2020 5:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read somewhere that the F/T mice from Petco/Petsmart are no good. Is this true? Why would their F/T not be any different from rodent pro or the other mentioned places? They have been known to thaw and be refrozen during shipping. So, they can sometimes be disgusting and there's no way to know when you purchase them at the store if that happened. If you order frozen feeders online, they are packaged in a thick styrofoam box with dry ice so everything is still frozen solid when they land on your doorstep - and then you get to play with the dry ice.  |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 6:06:06 PM EDT
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Those are really beautiful animals. The photos are terrific.
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Posted: 5/24/2020 6:45:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2020 8:45:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have been known to thaw and be refrozen during shipping. So, they can sometimes be disgusting and there's no way to know when you purchase them at the store if that happened. If you order frozen feeders online, they are packaged in a thick styrofoam box with dry ice so everything is still frozen solid when they land on your doorstep - and then you get to play with the dry ice. Ok yeah I see that being an issue and I’ve read a few stories about rotten/moldy feeders.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:24:19 PM EDT
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Are “hoppers” pretty much the same as “large mice”?
The petsmart FT mice I got were sold as just Large Frozen Mice. On Cold Blooded Cafe the closest thing I see is hoppers....these  Attached FileWhat they advertise as large mice are way bigger than the large mice I got but these look very close to what we have/his size. Any opinions please? |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:26:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:29:24 PM EDT
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Hoppers are just about the size when they start moving around and "hopping". Definitely not large mice.
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:31:42 PM EDT
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Your boa looks like it could take three or four hoppers at a time or a small mouse. Thoughts @Bubbles?
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:39:00 PM EDT
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@ak4784 give him another year and get him a bag of "button quail" (newly hatched quail chicks) and he'll eat them down like popcorn. My ratsnakes love them.
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:49:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll post a ball. Pastel pinstripe desert ghost. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/1776C50A-C804-4207-A071-1C0240E684A6_jpe-1431153.JPG That's a very cool morph. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 9:51:10 PM EDT
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You need to look at the feeder weight, not necessarily whether a particular vendor calls it a "small" or "large", though usually at the smaller sizes there's less variation. Where you need to watch carefully is in the XL-jumbo rat range. One of my local feeder providers has "jumbo" rats that weigh anywhere from 16-24 oz.
The PetSmart "large" feeders were about 19 grams each (76 grams package weight on the box for 4 feeders). FWIW Arctic Mice brand is typically on the low end for feeder size range; this is what you get for a "large mouse" from most sellers: https://www.coldbloodedcafe.com/product-page/large-mice Of course your problem here is that they come in a bag of 50 so if you feed once per week it'll take a while to use them up. Eventually your snake will get big enough you can offer two per meal, though when you first do that you should push the feeding interval out from 7 to 10 days. Also when you get them you can weigh and re-bag to put the 18-23 gram mice in one bag, and the 24-29 gram mice in another. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 11:26:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2020 11:31:40 PM EDT
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Thank you for all the info! On closer inspection I guess the large mice you posted the link to are not to much different, as you mentioned they are a bit larger but I think that might be ok. I have digital scales around here somewhere I can use to sort them out.
I still have the 3 mice left I will probably use first anyway and I bet he starts a shed phase somewhat soon, after all that he may need a bit larger mice anyway. Do you think in you’re opinion the Large mice in the link you posted bubbles would be good size for my snake? If so I’ll go ahead and order. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 12:16:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think in you’re opinion the Large mice in the link you posted bubbles would be good size for my snake? If so I’ll go ahead and order. Those might be a tad large for a 2020 male. I've ordered from CBC and most of their feeders run in the middle to upper weights in the range, so you do get good value for the money you spend. I would get small mice, feed off the larger ones first, and then feed two of the smaller ones per meal as the snake gets a bit bigger. Also boas are not supposed to be fed heavily anyway. They can take 6-7 years to reach adult size. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:09:57 AM EDT
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Ok cool. I will take a look at the small mice. I guess I didn’t realize the size/descriptions can vary that much. I just know to try to match the size of food to the snakes body size. The bag he was shipped in was marked with info. It said they were feeding adult FT mice, so when I went to petsmart and found the Arctic FT large mice that matched the snake size, it was all good.
 Attached FileNow trying to shop for them online has me all confused about sizes LOL. Again, thank you for the help!! ETA- I have read a lot about their feeding regimens. Many say it’s actually unhealthy to feed them to often and it shortens their life span. I plan on slow growing him. Once every 7 days for the first year then I’m going to start walking it out longer a bit as he gets older/bigger. I read that after several years I should only feed him once a month basically. 3/4 weeks. Somewhere we saved a feeding chart that was posted in boa passion FB group as the recommended guide for feeding. It seemed to match everything I read pretty close. |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:20:59 AM EDT
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Do snakes get back problems since, well, they are all back?
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:24:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do snakes get back problems since, well, they are all back? lol idk...lemme go ask my boa real quick. He’s still young so he prob won’t know about any of that tho. jk- I don’t really know. I’ve seen pics/videos of snakes born with problems. Kinked up or whatever |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 9:42:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Ramsey118 Awesome clutch. Two hets and four clowns. Enchi pastel clown and enchi pastel het? That one looks super super clown. Thanks that one is a Super Pastel Enchi Clown. He's super cool LOVE your Desert Ghost btw! |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 9:44:59 AM EDT
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here's a boa litter that birthed friday
pairing was a Hypo DH Red Dragon x Blood Het Albino Got 2 SUN DRAGONS!!! 
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Posted: 5/25/2020 12:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here's a boa litter that birthed friday pairing was a Hypo DH Red Dragon x Blood Het Albino Got 2 SUN DRAGONS!!! https://i.imgur.com/VzhizEz.jpg BOA GOO!!!! |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:07:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here's a boa litter that birthed friday pairing was a Hypo DH Red Dragon x Blood Het Albino Got 2 SUN DRAGONS!!! https://i.imgur.com/VzhizEz.jpg Daaaamn!!! That’s awesome!!!! |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 10:19:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here's a boa litter that birthed friday pairing was a Hypo DH Red Dragon x Blood Het Albino Got 2 SUN DRAGONS!!! https://i.imgur.com/VzhizEz.jpg Nice! Great odds too. |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 10:20:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regular old Pastel Desert Ghost. About my favorite morph. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/902F55AF-4597-4593-BA49-706347E93C73_jpe-1431599.JPG You have some nice DGs. I have seen some that could barely pass as a fire. The market for DGs right now is HOT if you breed. |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 10:23:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do snakes get back problems since, well, they are all back? Back issues are not as common as you would think. Snakes are basically tubes of pure muscle which helps take the stress off their spine. The most common health issues are obesity and poor husbandry. |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 11:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have some nice DGs. I have seen some that could barely pass as a fire. The market for DGs right now is HOT if you breed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Regular old Pastel Desert Ghost. About my favorite morph. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/902F55AF-4597-4593-BA49-706347E93C73_jpe-1431599.JPG You have some nice DGs. I have seen some that could barely pass as a fire. The market for DGs right now is HOT if you breed. Thanks! When I went to get into balls, I decided to do a nicer investment snake that I could breed down the road. DGs hold color, and value (like a few of the recessives). So that’s where I went. Fingers crossed for some snek seeds from the 20/21 season. Since you mentioned Fire, my Fire DG from jkr.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/31/2020 12:42:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryClown combos looking sharp. I had about a dozen BPs that I let go as a lot back in January, had to pay the mortgage and didn't have a job at that moment. They were neat critters, so were the rats. With 4 dogs that need attention we probably won't do BPs again, but they're cool. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 1:17:18 AM EDT
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OST as Mrs. FishKepr wants a snake. We have an old 30G long aquarium that we can repurpose and are thinking about getting a corn snake, nothing special, and we understand they are good for newbies.
We already have a bearded dragon going a year now and is thriving so I think we're ready for a snake. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 9:59:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OST as Mrs. FishKepr wants a snake. We have an old 30G long aquarium that we can repurpose and are thinking about getting a corn snake, nothing special, and we understand they are good for newbies. We already have a bearded dragon going a year now and is thriving so I think we're ready for a snake. Snakes are awesome. Corns are cool. Balls are cooler.  I’m extremely bias to the Desert Ghost morph. https://www.morphmarket.com/us/search?q=Desert+ghost&sex=&cat=2&traits=&neg_traits=&min_price=&max_price=&store=&country=&export=&sort=le&page=1 |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 7:26:07 PM EDT
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 Attached FileJust shed and ate six large fuzzy mice. I'm going to need to upgrade the size of his food as soon as I'm done with this batch of feeders. Probably fuzzy rats. @theleadfarmer1911 @azjeeper |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 7:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snakes are awesome. Corns are cool. Balls are cooler. I’m extremely bias to the Desert Ghost morph. https://www.morphmarket.com/us/search?q=Desert+ghost&sex=&cat=2&traits=&neg_traits=&min_price=&max_price=&store=&country=&export=&sort=le&page=1 I grew up right in the heart of corn snake country. Had lots of them. Always very chill. The irony is that one I bought out here in AZ was a complete douche, yet my Taiwan Beauty snake that has a bad reputation was like an eight foot corn snake. Go figure. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 8:50:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OST as Mrs. FishKepr wants a snake. We have an old 30G long aquarium that we can repurpose and are thinking about getting a corn snake, nothing special, and we understand they are good for newbies. We already have a bearded dragon going a year now and is thriving so I think we're ready for a snake. A corn snake is great for new keepers but it will eventually outgrow a 30L. They are also escape artists so I'd suggest a proper PVC or melamine enclosure designed for reptiles from somewhere like NW Constrictors, Boaphile, Animal Plastics, Herptastic, etc. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 9:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A corn snake is great for new keepers but it will eventually outgrow a 30L. They are also escape artists so I'd suggest a proper PVC or melamine enclosure designed for reptiles from somewhere like NW Constrictors, Boaphile, Animal Plastics, Herptastic, etc. I once had a baby corn escape it's terrarium and make its way into my closet where I raised rats and mice to feed my hobby (pun intended). It slipped through the bars of one of my mouse cages that had a new litter then ate too much that it couldn't get back out. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 4:37:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2020 6:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just acquired Boris, this beautiful Emerald Tree Boa for my collection. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/471621/WIN_20200609_16_31_35_Pro_jpg-1454508.JPG Nice! Import or captive bred? |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 7:54:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just acquired Boris, this beautiful Emerald Tree Boa for my collection. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/471621/WIN_20200609_16_31_35_Pro_jpg-1454508.JPG Beautiful snake! Just wish their temperaments weren't pure evil. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 7:56:43 PM EDT
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@theleadfarmer1911 Just placed an order with Cold Blooded Cafe. Figure it was time to upgrade the size of the feeders just a bit. Kinda feels like I'm cheating on Rodent Pro after ten years. Lol! But I don't mind trying a new source.
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Posted: 6/9/2020 8:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @theleadfarmer1911 Just placed an order with Cold Blooded Cafe. Figure it was time to upgrade the size of the feeders just a bit. Kinda feels like I'm cheating on Rodent Pro after ten years. Lol! But I don't mind trying a new source. I’ve just gotten a large order from rodent pro in that I’ll probably toss. The rats smell rotten when defrosted. Snakes don’t like them. Big cheese feeders did great for me in the past. These from Rodent Pro are not doing what I need to get snakes up to weight. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 8:51:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve just gotten a large order from rodent pro in that I’ll probably toss. The rats smell rotten when defrosted. Snakes don’t like them. Big cheese feeders did great for me in the past. These from Rodent Pro are not doing what I need to get snakes up to weight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @theleadfarmer1911 Just placed an order with Cold Blooded Cafe. Figure it was time to upgrade the size of the feeders just a bit. Kinda feels like I'm cheating on Rodent Pro after ten years. Lol! But I don't mind trying a new source. I’ve just gotten a large order from rodent pro in that I’ll probably toss. The rats smell rotten when defrosted. Snakes don’t like them. Big cheese feeders did great for me in the past. These from Rodent Pro are not doing what I need to get snakes up to weight. I definitely think it's time to try something new. Unfortunately the place I just ordered from has no selection beyond mice and rats of various sizes. When my beauty snake was at his max he could knock down two medium guinea pigs like it was nothing. Maybe the other place mentioned has more species selection. I'll have to check it out. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 10:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I definitely think it's time to try something new. Unfortunately the place I just ordered from has no selection beyond mice and rats of various sizes. When my beauty snake was at his max he could knock down two medium guinea pigs like it was nothing. Maybe the other place mentioned has more species selection. I'll have to check it out. Find locals who raise chickens, and offer to take nasty roosters off their hands. Big pythons love fowl. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 12:51:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Find locals who raise chickens, and offer to take nasty roosters off their hands. Big pythons love fowl. And if I had big boids that would be a great option, but for now just colubrids. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:00:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Nice! Import or captive bred? He's an import. I would've preferred captive bred, but there wasn't any available in my area. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 11:25:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/18/2020 7:46:09 PM EDT
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Just got my order in from Cold Blooded Cafe today. Bag of "hoppers" and two bags of fuzzy rats. Since it was feeding time for the indigo I thawed out three hoppers. He seemed to go at them with a bit more enthusiasm than the stuff I bought from Rodent Pro.
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Posted: 6/18/2020 8:33:08 PM EDT
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I got my order yesterday from them! Was packed really fucking nice with a bunch of dry ice. Feeding day is this weekend.
I sorted through about 25 of the 50 mice we ordered. Nice weight range/sizes. Ranging from 19 grams up to about 29 grams. Currently we are feeding our snake on the smaller end, so this pack of mice should be great. I can step up the food size easily down the road. I thought I ordered white mice but ended up receiving black mice. Not sure if that’s normal to get different colored mice or not but shouldn’t matter I don’t think. Just didn’t expect that. Anyone know? |
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