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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:40:06 PM EDT
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IBOPCH
in before op crushes himself |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:40:12 PM EDT
[#2]
3.5” might be really prone to edge curling, seems thin.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:40:43 PM EDT
[#3]
How do plan on lifting the walls up
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:41:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Why not cmu?
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do plan on lifting the walls up Op has a large tractor and an excavator. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not cmu? What is cmu? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is cmu? Cinder block |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not cmu? This. CMU is what you need. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:50:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is cmu? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why not cmu? What is cmu? Concrete Masonry Unit |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:51:13 PM EDT
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Wouldn't lumber be way cheaper?
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:54:32 PM EDT
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Diy precast?
What could go wrong  Why not just form and pour the walls? Or CMU like suggested. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:57:40 PM EDT
[#12]
Seems overly complicated way to build something that size.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:00:31 PM EDT
[#13]
Skeet club has precast concrete skeet houses. Walls are 4" and were cast offsite and crane set, roof is also a precast slab. The elevated floor is also precast (buildings have low house at ground level for one field, an elevated floor which carries the high house trap for the adjacent field, then a precast roof.
Not really a problem with good concrete, really good release agent & proper reinforcing. I'd think challenge might be floor space. Are you going to cast one panel, stand it, cast another panel stand it, etc. Or is the floor going to allow casting all panels? The precast panels we used were cast with a high early strength concrete were at over 4000 psi in just a few days. Hard to do at home in back yard. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:00:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cinder block Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What is cmu? Cinder block Concrete Masonry Unit. You would deed to fill the voids with concrete |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:06:32 PM EDT
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If it's DIY but you want monolithic concrete, why not ICF?
Or try looking up IsulDeck, which I think has a tilt product. Unsure if it would pencil out any better than ICF, especially for a small project. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Concrete Masonry Unit. You would deed to fill the voids with concrete Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is cmu? Cinder block Concrete Masonry Unit. You would deed to fill the voids with concrete Ok….concrete blocks sound good! Fill voids with concrete or. Dry stack or ? I’ve never worked with mortar before…dry stack might be the answer? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:15:42 PM EDT
[#17]
12" cmu ivany block ,horizontal and vertical rod grouted
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:16:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:18:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok….concrete blocks sound good! Fill voids with concrete or. Dry stack or ? I’ve never worked with mortar before…dry stack might be the answer?  How to Lay Block Walls For Beginners |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryWhy not just use a bond beam block? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:21:22 PM EDT
[#21]
I would think ICF would be significantly quieter and relatively easy.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just use a bond beam block? Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just use a bond beam block? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:25:37 PM EDT
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6" core ICF, you end up with an insulated building you can heat and or cool.
If you are going to do pre-cast look at the way Superior Walls form their pre-cast walls, with a face shell and concrete "studs" 16" on-center. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Op has a large tractor and an excavator. Than build a berm. You think a concrete wall is going to hold up against thousands of projectiles? Sure great cover in a battle but not long term, no fucking way. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:30:04 PM EDT
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We just drop verts down the core before filling them.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:30:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Over 3 decades in precast. Just because you can does not mean you should. That said, it is an interesting idea. I don’t think it would be the cheapest or most efficient way to do it but it may be cool to say you did it. How tall are you thinking the walls would be? 8 or 10’ would not require crazy high strength concrete and could probably be made 4” thick.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:32:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We just drop verts down the core before filling them. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:37:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Pour in place is the exceptable answer (over micro tilt-up).
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:38:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Pour a footing with vertical rebar at 16"oc. Dry stack 6" CMU. Hire a pump crane. Fill CMU.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:41:09 PM EDT
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Either way you will need to transport the rebar to the site
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you talking bond beam or knockouts ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We just drop verts down the core before filling them. Knockouts would be a lot easier . Vertical rebar in the corners and every 4ft plus core fill/slurry. Horizontal rebar and dura wall every 3rd course and core fill. Edit: Op if you get knockouts keep in mind they are fragile until laid and filled. Expect broken units and keep track of them, your supplier should reimburse |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 9:05:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Than build a berm. You think a concrete wall is going to hold up against thousands of projectiles? Sure great cover in a battle but not long term, no fucking way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Op has a large tractor and an excavator. Than build a berm. You think a concrete wall is going to hold up against thousands of projectiles? Sure great cover in a battle but not long term, no fucking way. I don’t understand. I’m making a shoot house to shoot out of. I shoot into a giant berm at the other end. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 9:44:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could I guess, two different applications tho,you wouldn't have the vertical dowel with the bond beam You just knock a hole in it where you want vertical grout cells. Normal lightweight concrete block is 3/8" smaller than stated dimension because its meant to have 3/8" grout to stay on module. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 10:25:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You just knock a hole in it where you want vertical grout cells. Normal lightweight concrete block is 3/8" smaller than stated dimension because its meant to have 3/8" grout to stay on module. It's not exactly easy to knock a hole in a bond beam block. It's more likely that it'll split lengthwise and piss you off. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 10:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Op has a large tractor and an excavator. And any rigging experience? Please sent up a camera on a tripod horizontally before starting. 
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Posted: 2/15/2023 10:28:19 PM EDT
[#36]
Op. What's your goal ,ease of building or cost, strength ?
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Posted: 2/16/2023 7:52:47 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You just knock a hole in it where you want vertical grout cells. Normal lightweight concrete block is 3/8" smaller than stated dimension because its meant to have 3/8" grout to stay on module. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You could I guess, two different applications tho,you wouldn't have the vertical dowel with the bond beam You just knock a hole in it where you want vertical grout cells. Normal lightweight concrete block is 3/8" smaller than stated dimension because its meant to have 3/8" grout to stay on module. Why would you need to put a hole in the block? The only time we do anything like that is if we have to cut our own bond beams, two cuts in the web and pop it with a hammer. Otherwise I just paint the bottom course where our verts are tied in to the footing, and we fish the full length pieces down after the wall is up. I've never really seen it spec'd any different than that other than maybe the addition of ladder mesh (which I think is retarded and would rather just use a bond beam and grout it) |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:14:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand. I’m making a shoot house to shoot out of. I shoot into a giant berm at the other end. Totally misunderstood what you were doing, sorry OP. Fucking reading skills. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:19:41 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Op. What's your goal ,ease of building or cost, strength ? Cost and sound suppression in that order |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:22:51 AM EDT
[#40]
Why do you want concrete?
I'd think a stick framed and insulated wall would be cheaper, easier, and quieter both inside and out. I'm assuming noise transmission is a concern due to mentioning your wife working from home. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:26:22 AM EDT
[#41]
3.5" is thin for a tilt wall. I haven't seen lifting eyes than would work on that without being a total hack job.
I would cast the walls in place. You're far more likely to paper napkin the design on CIP wall than you are tilt walls. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:27:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Op has a large tractor and an excavator. I hope you have your will completed already. Does your life insurance cover being a dumbass? |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:43:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cost and sound suppression in that order So the wife can’t hear you or you can’t hear the wife?  |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:50:53 AM EDT
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Does a roof really help with sound mitigation? i don’t imagine you have any neighbors above you.
I’m planning to use those big solid concrete Lego blocks (typically 4’x2’x2’) and stack them with an excavator. I think they can be acquired for ~$150/each. What’s nice about those is that you can move and repurpose them as needed, and should be a lot easier than CMU, mortar, rebar and the like. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:25:01 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Than build a berm. You think a concrete wall is going to hold up against thousands of projectiles? Sure great cover in a battle but not long term, no fucking way. Reading comprehension is hard. He is building a shoot house for his firing position. Not as a bullet trap. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:35:47 AM EDT
[#46]
 Homemade Air Crete Shed |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:38:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cost and sound suppression in that order Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Op. What's your goal ,ease of building or cost, strength ? Cost and sound suppression in that order Lumber and eggshell foam. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:38:38 AM EDT
[#48]
Build it with concrete blocks and fill the cells with rebar and concrete.
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:42:21 AM EDT
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Buy a suppressor?
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Posted: 2/16/2023 10:04:17 AM EDT
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