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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:47:53 PM EDT
  I’ve narrowed down my next pistol purchase to one of these two guns. Use case will be a general purpose, do-anything, home defense, nightstand, occasional carry, occasional competition pistol. Both pistols are 9mm 5” fullsize steel frame SAO hammer-fired guns. Regardless of which one I get I will be modifying it. If the DWX it’d get the slide machined for an optic, grips, and a magwell. The P226 would be sent to Bruce Gray at GGI for a full rebuild. Either pistol will get an optic, Surefire X300U-B, and a Mk3 Firearms single-stage trigger job. EDIT: The P226 X-Five has been purchased |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:55:26 PM EDT
[#1]
Pole fail...
...no Glock 19.3 |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:00:04 PM EDT
[#2]
I'd pick the one that starts with C and ends with Z. Love the grip shape.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:06:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Sig is never the answer to any question, save for the classics.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:18:17 PM EDT
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If the DWX had an optic cut, it’s no contest
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pole fail... ...no Glock 19.3  And take your staple gun triggered poverty popper with you. Never touching another polymer/striker pistol again |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd pick the one that starts with C and ends with Z. Love the grip shape. That’s the DWX. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 10:54:40 PM EDT
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I'm curious as to what you mean when you say you would send the X5 to Gray Guns and have it rebuilt. I voted Sig because I want one and have mags. Milling a new gun for an optic is annoying but if you like it better I get it.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 11:07:48 PM EDT
[#8]
DWX
...but 3 years too late and lost interest. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 11:36:25 PM EDT
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Why not optic cut on the DWX?
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Posted: 6/23/2023 11:42:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not optic cut on the DWX? Just my theory, but they're main market was probably for USPSA limited shooters. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 11:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the DWX had an optic cut, it’s no contest Yep. Why a company puts out a gun without an optic cut option in today’s world is beyond me. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:01:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just my theory, but they're main market was probably for USPSA limited shooters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why not optic cut on the DWX? Just my theory, but they're main market was probably for USPSA limited shooters. Not in 9mm it isn't |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:07:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just my theory, but they're main market was probably for USPSA limited shooters. Not when they only make it in 9mm. It was a failure by CZ/DW |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:10:52 AM EDT
[#14]
Platypus come optics ready.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:12:03 AM EDT
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Own both, X5 is a nicer gun IMO
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:16:41 AM EDT
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My 226 X5 is an amazing shooter.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:36:11 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted: Own both, X5 is a nicer gun IMO Quoted: My 226 X5 is an amazing shooter. Current one or old one? I really am considering a new one. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:43:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Current one or old one? I really am considering a new one. I have the new one (STAS model) but had a German xshort a couple years ago. They’re extremely close quality wise |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:55:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the new one (STAS model) but had a German xshort a couple years ago. They’re extremely close quality wise Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Current one or old one? I really am considering a new one. I have the new one (STAS model) but had a German xshort a couple years ago. They’re extremely close quality wise I had my hands on one of each today at two different LGS locations. They both feel incredibly high quality, very much worth the roughly $2k price tag |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:56:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: If the DWX had an optic cut, it’s no contest Quoted: Why not optic cut on the DWX? … From my original post: If the DWX it’d get the slide machined for an optic… |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:25:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Platypus come optics ready. Aluminum frame, bushing barrel |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:26:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not in 9mm it isn't Quote HistoryQuoted: Not in 9mm it isn't Quoted: Not when they only make it in 9mm. It was a failure by CZ/DW They were also supposed to come out in 40S&W. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:27:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious as to what you mean when you say you would send the X5 to Gray Guns and have it rebuilt. I voted Sig because I want one and have mags. Milling a new gun for an optic is annoying but if you like it better I get it. Send it to Bruce Gray and have him do all the action enhancement/tuning work he does to create perfected works of firearms art. I’m leaning very heavily towards the P226 right now, kind of just wanting to see if anyone has any horror stories about them before dropping the $2,200 |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:49:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Send it to Bruce Gray and have him do all the action enhancement/tuning work he does to create perfected works of firearms art. I’m leaning very heavily towards the P226 right now, kind of just wanting to see if anyone has any horror stories about them before dropping the $2,200 I have an old one (2012), and remember reading reports of extractor issues on some pistols. I haven't experienced it though. I did the 2,000 round challenge with it back when that thread was going in the handgun forum (2k rounds, no clean, no lube). It worked just fine. IIRC people with the early extractor issues were sending them to Bruce Gray (grayguns) rather than Sig to get them working. ETA: My early X-Five came with checkmate mags. Toss those right in the trash  the followers were too shallow and would tilt.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 2:08:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an old one (2012), and remember reading reports of extractor issues on some pistols. I haven't experienced it though. I did the 2,000 round challenge with it back when that thread was going in the handgun forum (2k rounds, no clean, no lube). It worked just fine. IIRC people with the early extractor issues were sending them to Bruce Gray (grayguns) rather than Sig to get them working. ETA: My early X-Five came with checkmate mags. Toss those right in the trash the followers were too shallow and would tilt.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Send it to Bruce Gray and have him do all the action enhancement/tuning work he does to create perfected works of firearms art. I’m leaning very heavily towards the P226 right now, kind of just wanting to see if anyone has any horror stories about them before dropping the $2,200 I have an old one (2012), and remember reading reports of extractor issues on some pistols. I haven't experienced it though. I did the 2,000 round challenge with it back when that thread was going in the handgun forum (2k rounds, no clean, no lube). It worked just fine. IIRC people with the early extractor issues were sending them to Bruce Gray (grayguns) rather than Sig to get them working. ETA: My early X-Five came with checkmate mags. Toss those right in the trash the followers were too shallow and would tilt.When I bought my X6 there were extra extractors in the case so I assume the previous owner either had issues or was expecting them. Gray Guns doesn't even list services other than lightening for the X series guns which is why I am asking. Mainly it was the term rebuilt that threw me. I doubt these need much work if they are indeed anything like the old guns. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:48:30 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Why a company puts out a gun without an optic cut option in today’s world is beyond me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the DWX had an optic cut, it’s no contest Yep. Why a company puts out a gun without an optic cut option in today’s world is beyond me. That's why I'm holding off for now. My luck runs just that way -- buy the DWX right before they release a new model with all the stuff I wish mine had. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:49:11 PM EDT
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DWX…if only there was a commander size in 10mm.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:17:32 PM EDT
[#28]
Sig
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:28:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Rock 5.0?
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:39:11 PM EDT
[#30]
I’ve got a German Mastershop X5. It’s a dream. Accurate a fuck. Softest shooting pistol I own.
The only complaint is the trigger pull is 2lb and barely touching it will fire. This is not a gun for an optic. Join the X5 master race. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 1:58:00 PM EDT
[#31]
I have always liked the Sig X5 for many reasons. I wish I bought some a while back as they are worth much more than what they sold for originally and will only get higher.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 2:12:54 PM EDT
[#32]
I have one of the German made X5's identical to this. It's one of my favorite shooters.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:00:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve got a German Mastershop X5. It’s a dream. Accurate a fuck. Softest shooting pistol I own. The only complaint is the trigger pull is 2lb and barely touching it will fire. This is not a gun for an optic. Join the X5 master race. What do you mean this is not a gun for an optic? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:31:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you mean this is not a gun for an optic? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve got a German Mastershop X5. It’s a dream. Accurate a fuck. Softest shooting pistol I own. The only complaint is the trigger pull is 2lb and barely touching it will fire. This is not a gun for an optic. Join the X5 master race. What do you mean this is not a gun for an optic? Every gun is a gun for an optic |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:38:52 PM EDT
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I want a DWX terribly. They’re gorgeous and I’ve never heard a single complaint about how they shoot.
I almost bought an X5 several years ago, but I got a PVS14 instead. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:39:24 PM EDT
[#36]
I'd love a DWX. but the price is silly
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:10:44 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd love a DWX. but the price is silly How much should they be? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:22:42 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How much should they be? Considering the market competition and the quality I think it’s about right. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:25:35 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering the market competition and the quality I think it’s about right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much should they be? Considering the market competition and the quality I think it’s about right. Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:31:53 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much should they be? Considering the market competition and the quality I think it’s about right. Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. So how much should they cost? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:37:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how much should they cost? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much should they be? Considering the market competition and the quality I think it’s about right. Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. So how much should they cost? $1200 tops. Still seems a stretch to me. You have CZ's with allegedly the exact same manufacturing, that cost several hundred dollars apart because of the color of orange or blue in anodizing? I'm no scientist' but i see what i see when i see it. What do you think they are worth? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:47:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Sig P210
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:47:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:49:45 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. How much do you shoot? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $1200 tops. Still seems a stretch to me. You have CZ's with allegedly the exact same manufacturing, that cost several hundred dollars apart because of the color of orange or blue in anodizing? I'm no scientist' but i see what i see when i see it. What do you think they are worth? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much should they be? Considering the market competition and the quality I think it’s about right. Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. So how much should they cost? $1200 tops. Still seems a stretch to me. You have CZ's with allegedly the exact same manufacturing, that cost several hundred dollars apart because of the color of orange or blue in anodizing? I'm no scientist' but i see what i see when i see it. What do you think they are worth? I can't think of a single comparable gun for $1200. The Prodigy is probably the closest and it didn't take a whole lot of new parts. This is a clean sheet gun that doesn't use a bunch of old parts. Even CZ's Tactical Sport that they have been making forever costs more than $1200 so I just don't think it's realistic. I wish they were $1500 which is closer to what they were originally supposed to be I think but the inflation hosed all that. Just like you used to be able to get a $1600 STI but they slowly crept up over $2k and are still there under the new company. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:58:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How much do you shoot? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. How much do you shoot? Not as much as you. Enough to stay current with my defense utility of choice. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 6:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't think of a single comparable gun for $1200. The Prodigy is probably the closest and it didn't take a whole lot of new parts. This is a clean sheet gun that doesn't use a bunch of old parts. Even CZ's Tactical Sport that they have been making forever costs more than $1200 so I just don't think it's realistic. I wish they were $1500 which is closer to what they were originally supposed to be I think but the inflation hosed all that. Just like you used to be able to get a $1600 STI but they slowly crept up over $2k and are still there under the new company. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much should they be? Considering the market competition and the quality I think it’s about right. Agree to disagree gentleman. There's no machining, or other magical manufacturing that could drive the price into several times the cost of standard handguns. Neat anodizing aside. But I'm too stupid to pay for that kind of thing. So how much should they cost? $1200 tops. Still seems a stretch to me. You have CZ's with allegedly the exact same manufacturing, that cost several hundred dollars apart because of the color of orange or blue in anodizing? I'm no scientist' but i see what i see when i see it. What do you think they are worth? I can't think of a single comparable gun for $1200. The Prodigy is probably the closest and it didn't take a whole lot of new parts. This is a clean sheet gun that doesn't use a bunch of old parts. Even CZ's Tactical Sport that they have been making forever costs more than $1200 so I just don't think it's realistic. I wish they were $1500 which is closer to what they were originally supposed to be I think but the inflation hosed all that. Just like you used to be able to get a $1600 STI but they slowly crept up over $2k and are still there under the new company. I'd never waste money on an STI or Staccato either. I've shot enough to know the point of diminishing returns. I probably don't make the incredulous amounts of money you do though. I'm just an average person. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 6:00:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Inflation is a thing, and nice things cost money. I think $1,500-2,500 is a decent range for higher-end still predominantly production (maybe with a bit of hand finishing) metal-framed pistols, most of which are marketed for competition or general-purpose high-performance handguns. This is where most entry-level 2011s and 2011-style pistols are
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Posted: 6/24/2023 6:01:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd never waste money on an STI or Staccato either. I've shot enough to know the point of diminishing returns. I probably don't make the incredulous amounts of money you do though. I'm just an average person. Just because you can’t afford something doesn’t make it a waste of money |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 6:06:32 PM EDT
[#50]
Like most things in life, price is a point of subjectivity. I challenge either of you to prove the difference in price to performance. Hate on me all you want. Idc. I know in my experience steep admission doesn't necessarily improve shooters capability. I'd reckon the improvement from a $900 gun doesn't justify the delta of a $3000 gun.
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