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Originally Posted By djkest: Are you using group texts like a caveman? ehh by that do you mean do I have any group chats? If so, yes, two of them. One gets some light traffic two days a week on average, the other is more random with no traffic for days and then a flurry of texts over a few hours here and there. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: I was considering that a couple of weeks ago but a cursory search leads me to believe that the current Pixel 11 has some changes that don't mesh well with GrapheneOS. At least not yet. Originally Posted By juan223: Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: iOS is also garbage now. Get a Pixel, put GrapheneOS on it, and never look back. It's a zero-bullshit OS. I was considering that a couple of weeks ago but a cursory search leads me to believe that the current Pixel 11 has some changes that don't mesh well with GrapheneOS. At least not yet. Nothing wrong with a Pixel 10. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: ehh by that do you mean do I have any group chats? If so, yes, two of them. One gets some light traffic two days a week on average, the other is more random with no traffic for days and then a flurry of texts over a few hours here and there. knew it. Get on a real group messaging app like Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, Slack, etc. Group texts are fail. |
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Originally Posted By djkest: knew it. Get on a real group messaging app like Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, Slack, etc. Group texts are fail. The problem is they were not 'fail' before the forced switch. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: I'm sure it's just perfect for the job but it appears to no longer be made... Originally Posted By juan223: Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: Nothing wrong with a Pixel 10. I'm sure it's just perfect for the job but it appears to no longer be made... Still on Google's website for sale. You need an unlocked one for GrapheneOS, not one from your carrier that is locked into carrier-specific bloated bullshit. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: The problem is they were not 'fail' before the forced switch. Originally Posted By juan223: Originally Posted By djkest: knew it. Get on a real group messaging app like Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, Slack, etc. Group texts are fail. The problem is they were not 'fail' before the forced switch. It’s also kind of a bitch to get a bunch of people to download a new app and make a new account for functionality they had previously. WhatsApp was the one I ended up with for some community service groups I’m a part of. Most people were already using the other Meta products. |
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Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: Still on Google's website for sale. You need an unlocked one for GrapheneOS, not one from your carrier that is locked into carrier-specific bloated bullshit. Thanks, I'll look into it |
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Originally Posted By Duke117: Wait a minute are you saying that up until now you're one of those Android dudes whose texts shows up on my IPhone as a green bubble? You do understand that iPhone people HATE the infamous green bubble and routinely ignore them, right? If you want to join polite society and not have people speak poorly about you behind your back, throw that Android in the garbage and get an IPhone |
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Originally Posted By P400: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/1f8fae73-8c2c-4716-b7dd-12e254e97cbf_png-3831667.JPG Exactly 
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Originally Posted By M113cav: My wife had to get a new phone after her Samsung 22 got its update and then began the dreaded looping rebooting. Fucking bullshit what phone manufacturers do when it comes to planned obsolescence I read about this on the interwebs. Because of this, I decided to stay with Android 13 and also to not upgrade One UI. I still get frequent nags to update. Maybe I'm not like the cool kids that always have the latest hardware, software, and spyware. At least I feel like my phone is mostly working for me rather than me working for my phone. I have Google messages on a tablet that I don't often use for messaging. I strongly prefer Samsung messages. It is better at doing the things I want and not doing the things I don't want. A search of the interwebz indicates some users have successfully sideloaded Samsung Messages on Android 16, while others have failed. Sadly, it looks like Google may be the best alternative to the Samsung app. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: The problem is they were not 'fail' before the forced switch. Originally Posted By juan223: Originally Posted By djkest: knew it. Get on a real group messaging app like Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, Slack, etc. Group texts are fail. The problem is they were not 'fail' before the forced switch. It's been awhile since I've used Samsung messages, but I seem to recall it had the same limitation as Google messages for a group chat - any change to the group membership essentially creates a new chat, which you have to hope everyone moves to. And even if they do and that chat takes off, the new person doesn't see any of the earlier messages from the prior chat. That's why a proprietary protocol, non-SMS based messaging app is usually better for group chats, and that's essentially what iMessage is, but it's limited to just iPhones, whereas something like Whatsapp is not. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: The problem is they were not 'fail' before the forced switch. Originally Posted By juan223: Originally Posted By djkest: knew it. Get on a real group messaging app like Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, Slack, etc. Group texts are fail. The problem is they were not 'fail' before the forced switch. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Doesn't RCS handle group messaging far better than MMS? Yes, but it only works if everyone in the chat is using an RCS client (like Google Messages) and has RCS enabled. Unfortunately, in any decent size group, there's almost always one who doesn't. And they are often on an iPhone. Or a holdout still using Samsung Messages. 
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Originally Posted By laxman09: Ive had Google Pixel phones for the past several years, and the 'Droid' phones before that. GM sends messages and receives messages. Im not sure what else it 'could do/doesnt do' that is that big of an issue. Yeah, I don't get it. I've had Motorolas with Android for years. They send and receive texts with no problems, I do it every day. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Doesn't RCS handle group messaging far better than MMS? All I know is that what was once near instantaneous chat group opening, sending, and receiving now has some lag to it. I went and wacked a bunch of GM permissions so hopefully that solves the issue in the short term. Watching videos now on how to properly do a GrapheneOS install on a new unlock P10 PRO, probably order one today after I ensure there are some robust case offerings which I'm sure there are. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: All I know is that what was once near instantaneous chat group opening, sending, and receiving now has some lag to it. I went and wacked a bunch of GM permissions so hopefully that solves the issue in the short term. Watching videos now on how to properly do a GrapheneOS install on a new unlock P10 PRO, probably order one today after I ensure there are some robust case offerings which I'm sure there are. Originally Posted By juan223: Originally Posted By R2point0: Doesn't RCS handle group messaging far better than MMS? All I know is that what was once near instantaneous chat group opening, sending, and receiving now has some lag to it. I went and wacked a bunch of GM permissions so hopefully that solves the issue in the short term. Watching videos now on how to properly do a GrapheneOS install on a new unlock P10 PRO, probably order one today after I ensure there are some robust case offerings which I'm sure there are. Install is darn easy, just use the cable it comes with, Chrome as the browser to do it from, and follow the installer instructions on the GrapheneOS website. It's like five button clicks and done. Once installed, I'd set it up with Google Play Services if you're transitioning from Android, it gives you access to the Google stuff you are used to. Also don't listen to the "set up multiple profiles on the phone, for secret squirrel reasons" people on YouTube. For most people this will only result in headaches. If you want to go full Kazenski off-grid maximum tinfoil with GrapheneOS, it lets you. But for most people that is unnecessary and only causes problems. The thing GrapheneOS is actually good at is just being a phone that works, isn't loaded with bloated garbage, and doesn't constantly spy on you. |
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Originally Posted By cccpNyC: It took me a little while to get used to GM, but it was foisted on me long time ago (S21ultra). What don't you like about it. After 2 years + I can't remember what clouds I was yelling at lol. Several months ago, android messages did an update and deleted all my text messages. 35 months worth. I'll never go iPhone for multiple reasons, but I don't trust Android to not pick up everything for no reason. |
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Originally Posted By Duke117: Wait a minute are you saying that up until now you're one of those Android dudes whose texts shows up on my IPhone as a green bubble? You do understand that iPhone people HATE the infamous green bubble and routinely ignore them, right? If you want to join polite society and not have people speak poorly about you behind your back, throw that Android in the garbage and get an IPhone Not everyone here is gay. |
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Originally Posted By Duke117: Wait a minute… are you saying that up until now you’re one of those Android dudes whose texts shows up on my IPhone as a green bubble? You do understand that iPhone people HATE the infamous green bubble and routinely ignore them, right? If you want to join polite society and not have people speak poorly about you behind your back, throw that Android in the garbage and get an IPhone… Honestly the iPhone people who are actually like this in real life are one of the reasons im still on an android. If a text message being in a different color bothers you that much, you're a tool and I dont want associated with your cult. Really, the iPhone controls annoy me. The keyboard sucks, having to swipe instead of hitting a button to see open apps, and not having a close all apps button keep me from switching |
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Originally Posted By P400: I've owned both for years and I could never make the iphone my primary again. Eta: Wait, why don't you just download a different texting app? 10 best texting apps and SMS apps for Android Heck, you can run all your texts through signal app if you want, and it works great. |
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Originally Posted By zukguy: That's what I don't understand, they can simply get a different texting app and delete google text. I've never used google text, so I'm not sure what problems they're having. Heck, you can run all your texts through signal app if you want, and it works great. |
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Originally Posted By 1775: Honestly the iPhone people who are actually like this in real life are one of the reasons im still on an android. If a text message being in a different color bothers you that much, you're a tool and I dont want associated with your cult. Really, the iPhone controls annoy me. The keyboard sucks, having to swipe instead of hitting a button to see open apps, and not having a close all apps button keep me from switching It's not just the message bubble color. There is (or at least was) a functional reduction to the chat. Adding an Android user to an iMessage chat previously forced the swap of the app from an Apple-proprietary messaging protocol to standard SMS/MMS, which reduced some features for the users in that chat. Some examples include loss of read receipts / typing indicators, reduced quality of media pasted into the chat, and breaking group chats, requiring creation of a new group chat to accommodate the Android user. And although users likely didn't notice, falling back to SMS/MMS instead of a more modern protocol, like RCS, also broke encryption for the chat. Of course, iPhone users hated this and would blame the Android user, instead of Apple, for creating a messaging app that used a proprietary protocol that wasn't compatible with 70% of the mobile devices in the world. And Apple doubled down on this limitation for years, even though creating an Android version of iMessage would have been fairly straightforward. One might infer they failed to do so to give their users a sense of superiority, or perhaps just to lock them in, for fear of being a green bubble, but whatever the reason, it's clear creating a cross-platform version would have been easy for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Whatsapp did it. So did Signal. But they chose not to, continuing to imply Android users were to blame. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Apple did eventually agree to at least adopt the open RCS standard for communicating with Android users, after being publicly shamed by Google in a media campaign they ran several years ago.  Meet iPager - Help Apple #GetTheMessage And I believe that has addressed most of the major issues.  Apple is starting to #GetTheMessage |
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Originally Posted By Duke117: Wait a minute… are you saying that up until now you’re one of those Android dudes whose texts shows up on my IPhone as a green bubble? You do understand that iPhone people HATE the infamous green bubble and routinely ignore them, right? If you want to join polite society and not have people speak poorly about you behind your back, throw that Android in the garbage and get an IPhone… I use android specifically for the green bubble effect it has on you iphonies. It has the desired, sifting effect. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: It's not just the message bubble color. There is (or at least was) a functional reduction to the chat. Adding an Android user to an iMessage chat previously forced the swap of the app from an Apple-proprietary messaging protocol to standard SMS/MMS, which reduced some features for the users in that chat. Some examples include loss of read receipts / typing indicators, reduced quality of media pasted into the chat, and breaking group chats, requiring creation of a new group chat to accommodate the Android user. And although users likely didn't notice, falling back to SMS/MMS instead of a more modern protocol, like RCS, also broke encryption for the chat. Of course, iPhone users hated this and would blame the Android user, instead of Apple, for creating a messaging app that used a proprietary protocol that wasn't compatible with 70% of the mobile devices in the world. And Apple doubled down on this limitation for years, even though creating an Android version of iMessage would have been fairly straightforward. One might infer they failed to do so to give their users a sense of superiority, or perhaps just to lock them in, for fear of being a green bubble, but whatever the reason, it's clear creating a cross-platform version would have been easy for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Whatsapp did it. So did Signal. But they chose not to, continuing to imply Android users were to blame. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Apple did eventually agree to at least adopt the open RCS standard for communicating with Android users, after being publicly shamed by Google in a media campaign they ran several years ago.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_B0riy__rwAnd I believe that has addressed most of the major issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBWFVAoNuZU |
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Here is the funny one, being have older phone that I delete my messages after reading them (including the trash to remove them completely). So real question, is why is the phone saving the text messages to a cloud drive in the first place, since its not like your every going to scrounge to go take a look at an old message to begin with. Bottom line, Turn off the master Back up to Google Drive toggle, or tap App data and turn off individual syncing for SMS/text messages if available on your specific Android version. If you can't them delete the program from the phone, and use another message program that is not going to back your text's up to drive instead. As for Iphone, the racket with it, its always backing up everything to the your apple cloud account as well, so the free account becomes full and they can charge you more each month for a larger storage accounts, the longer you have the phone. |
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Originally Posted By Sirveaux: If you ignore people based on a phone choice that says nothing about them. I was enlightened by a 20something to something I was totally unaware of. He told me that when he was in HS, the snobs would not be caught dead using an Android. Even if they were wannabe wealthy, they'd turn out their little sister to buy a refurb iphone to fit in. Android was considered a stain of the poors. What he said was considered even lower on the status pole was an Android with a removable battery. He saw a girl cry after dropping her phone and the lid and battery popped off. All the iphoners were laughing at her. How fucked up is that? It is genius, unofficial status marketing on Apple's part. Leverage young people at an age they are trying their hardest to fit in. It also automatically adds in accelerated decrepitude into their more costly product by using enclosed batteries. I recall my old S2 Galaxy was on its fifth year and second battery when I accidently smashed it. I'd likely still be using it now. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: It's not just the message bubble color. There is (or at least was) a functional reduction to the chat. Adding an Android user to an iMessage chat previously forced the swap of the app from an Apple-proprietary messaging protocol to standard SMS/MMS, which reduced some features for the users in that chat. Some examples include loss of read receipts / typing indicators, reduced quality of media pasted into the chat, and breaking group chats, requiring creation of a new group chat to accommodate the Android user. And although users likely didn't notice, falling back to SMS/MMS instead of a more modern protocol, like RCS, also broke encryption for the chat. Of course, iPhone users hated this and would blame the Android user, instead of Apple, for creating a messaging app that used a proprietary protocol that wasn't compatible with 70% of the mobile devices in the world. And Apple doubled down on this limitation for years, even though creating an Android version of iMessage would have been fairly straightforward. One might infer they failed to do so to give their users a sense of superiority, or perhaps just to lock them in, for fear of being a green bubble, but whatever the reason, it's clear creating a cross-platform version would have been easy for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Whatsapp did it. So did Signal. But they chose not to, continuing to imply Android users were to blame. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Apple did eventually agree to at least adopt the open RCS standard for communicating with Android users, after being publicly shamed by Google in a media campaign they ran several years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_B0riy__rwAnd I believe that has addressed most of the major issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBWFVAoNuZUOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By 1775: Honestly the iPhone people who are actually like this in real life are one of the reasons im still on an android. If a text message being in a different color bothers you that much, you're a tool and I dont want associated with your cult. Really, the iPhone controls annoy me. The keyboard sucks, having to swipe instead of hitting a button to see open apps, and not having a close all apps button keep me from switching It's not just the message bubble color. There is (or at least was) a functional reduction to the chat. Adding an Android user to an iMessage chat previously forced the swap of the app from an Apple-proprietary messaging protocol to standard SMS/MMS, which reduced some features for the users in that chat. Some examples include loss of read receipts / typing indicators, reduced quality of media pasted into the chat, and breaking group chats, requiring creation of a new group chat to accommodate the Android user. And although users likely didn't notice, falling back to SMS/MMS instead of a more modern protocol, like RCS, also broke encryption for the chat. Of course, iPhone users hated this and would blame the Android user, instead of Apple, for creating a messaging app that used a proprietary protocol that wasn't compatible with 70% of the mobile devices in the world. And Apple doubled down on this limitation for years, even though creating an Android version of iMessage would have been fairly straightforward. One might infer they failed to do so to give their users a sense of superiority, or perhaps just to lock them in, for fear of being a green bubble, but whatever the reason, it's clear creating a cross-platform version would have been easy for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Whatsapp did it. So did Signal. But they chose not to, continuing to imply Android users were to blame. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Apple did eventually agree to at least adopt the open RCS standard for communicating with Android users, after being publicly shamed by Google in a media campaign they ran several years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_B0riy__rwAnd I believe that has addressed most of the major issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBWFVAoNuZUTrusting a closed source messaging app from Apple to use meaningful encryption is like trusting some skank from a bar to be STD free and on the pill. You have no way to know it's true and a dozen ways to get fucked. |
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Originally Posted By chase45: Android master race I was forced to use a iphone for about 6 months last year Fuck a iphone We were issued new iPad at work. The first week I found Siri, I so pissed it off it will not even pop up now. All it does when I say "Hey Siri" is a low sound prompt and and that short rainbow of faint colors trimming the screen. Who knew an AI could be insulted?  I loathe tablets, even my Android at home. The program architecture on iPad took a long time for me to navigate. The only cool feature I've found on the iPad is the Measuse feature. It is laid out as altered reality on the screen. It is pretty accurate in my tape measure verifications. I've smoked on that, trying to figure out how it is done. It has got to be using a blend of at least two camera sensors, AI, accelerometer, internal compass to do that. Neat doo-dad, but I've never actually used it. I wish they'd just bought a hundred cheap Lenovo tablets and given us the premium savings as a bonus. |
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I read this thread and it helps build the overwhelming desire to almost totally unplug. I've spent my adult life in a technical trade. Even took interest in computery in the early internet days. Back before Windows 2000, I was the computer guru in my facility. I remember helping a PhD figuring out why his desktop was suddenly so slow. I smiled when he came back: "Fast as new now." He was tickled pink. I neglected to tell him his cache files were so choked with Asian porn site visits it could only stumble. I was chatting with our, then, soon to be retiring chief of IT last year. I said: "You have timed your exit perfectly. This stuff is compounding so expontially that no human will be able to stay ahead of things." He laughed in agreement and mentioned selling all for a small, primitive island. No phone. I won't be that severe. I like streaming, but I could easily just dump everything else and carry a flip phone again. I just bought a pristine 1949 Western Elecric dial phone. If I figure out how to get that old girl working for internet calls, that flipper might go in tge garbage, too.
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I was a Samsung/Android guy for a long time years ago. I got sick of the flaws and unstable nature of Android. I am sure it is better now than it used to be but whatever. I switched to iPhone. Here is my analogy- iPhones are like Glocks. Pretty basic OS, not to flashy, pretty standard stuff but they are built well and run great. It's not the best at anything but does everything very well and reliably. |
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I've been using Google Messages for a while because Samsung just couldn't figure RCS out. And I switched to Google Phone from Samsung Phone for the spam and scam call filtering, which is much more effective with Google. Samsung hardware is ok, but most of their apps are pretty mediocre. |
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Originally Posted By juan223: ...doing something I never thought I'd EVER do in a million years... And that's get an iPhone... ugh This force move to Google messages is not a welcome change, GM is absolute DOGSHIT. Rant over...maybe. I moved from Samsung to an iPhone. I hate it. I'm thinking of going Pixel next phone. |
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Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: Trusting a closed source messaging app from Apple to use meaningful encryption is like trusting some skank from a bar to be STD free and on the pill. You have no way to know it's true and a dozen ways to get fucked. Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By 1775: Honestly the iPhone people who are actually like this in real life are one of the reasons im still on an android. If a text message being in a different color bothers you that much, you're a tool and I dont want associated with your cult. Really, the iPhone controls annoy me. The keyboard sucks, having to swipe instead of hitting a button to see open apps, and not having a close all apps button keep me from switching It's not just the message bubble color. There is (or at least was) a functional reduction to the chat. Adding an Android user to an iMessage chat previously forced the swap of the app from an Apple-proprietary messaging protocol to standard SMS/MMS, which reduced some features for the users in that chat. Some examples include loss of read receipts / typing indicators, reduced quality of media pasted into the chat, and breaking group chats, requiring creation of a new group chat to accommodate the Android user. And although users likely didn't notice, falling back to SMS/MMS instead of a more modern protocol, like RCS, also broke encryption for the chat. Of course, iPhone users hated this and would blame the Android user, instead of Apple, for creating a messaging app that used a proprietary protocol that wasn't compatible with 70% of the mobile devices in the world. And Apple doubled down on this limitation for years, even though creating an Android version of iMessage would have been fairly straightforward. One might infer they failed to do so to give their users a sense of superiority, or perhaps just to lock them in, for fear of being a green bubble, but whatever the reason, it's clear creating a cross-platform version would have been easy for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Whatsapp did it. So did Signal. But they chose not to, continuing to imply Android users were to blame. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Apple did eventually agree to at least adopt the open RCS standard for communicating with Android users, after being publicly shamed by Google in a media campaign they ran several years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_B0riy__rwAnd I believe that has addressed most of the major issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBWFVAoNuZUTrusting a closed source messaging app from Apple to use meaningful encryption is like trusting some skank from a bar to be STD free and on the pill. You have no way to know it's true and a dozen ways to get fucked. The iMessage encryption was formally verified by third parties and the source code was reviewed by a third party. It's been post quantum since 2024. https://security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/ |
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Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9: The iMessage encryption was formally verified by third parties and the source code was reviewed by a third party. It's been post quantum since 2024. https://security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/ Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9: Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By 1775: Honestly the iPhone people who are actually like this in real life are one of the reasons im still on an android. If a text message being in a different color bothers you that much, you're a tool and I dont want associated with your cult. Really, the iPhone controls annoy me. The keyboard sucks, having to swipe instead of hitting a button to see open apps, and not having a close all apps button keep me from switching It's not just the message bubble color. There is (or at least was) a functional reduction to the chat. Adding an Android user to an iMessage chat previously forced the swap of the app from an Apple-proprietary messaging protocol to standard SMS/MMS, which reduced some features for the users in that chat. Some examples include loss of read receipts / typing indicators, reduced quality of media pasted into the chat, and breaking group chats, requiring creation of a new group chat to accommodate the Android user. And although users likely didn't notice, falling back to SMS/MMS instead of a more modern protocol, like RCS, also broke encryption for the chat. Of course, iPhone users hated this and would blame the Android user, instead of Apple, for creating a messaging app that used a proprietary protocol that wasn't compatible with 70% of the mobile devices in the world. And Apple doubled down on this limitation for years, even though creating an Android version of iMessage would have been fairly straightforward. One might infer they failed to do so to give their users a sense of superiority, or perhaps just to lock them in, for fear of being a green bubble, but whatever the reason, it's clear creating a cross-platform version would have been easy for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Whatsapp did it. So did Signal. But they chose not to, continuing to imply Android users were to blame. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Apple did eventually agree to at least adopt the open RCS standard for communicating with Android users, after being publicly shamed by Google in a media campaign they ran several years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_B0riy__rwAnd I believe that has addressed most of the major issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBWFVAoNuZUTrusting a closed source messaging app from Apple to use meaningful encryption is like trusting some skank from a bar to be STD free and on the pill. You have no way to know it's true and a dozen ways to get fucked. The iMessage encryption was formally verified by third parties and the source code was reviewed by a third party. It's been post quantum since 2024. https://security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/ You are trusting words, not code. The list of exploits that have been found, often deliberately placed, in closed source systems from big tech companies is miles long. If they won't publish the code, it cannot actually be trusted. |
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Originally Posted By ak4784: I was a Samsung/Android guy for a long time years ago. I got sick of the flaws and unstable nature of Android. I am sure it is better now than it used to be but whatever. I switched to iPhone. Here is my analogy- iPhones are like Glocks. Pretty basic OS, not to flashy, pretty standard stuff but they are built well and run great. It's not the best at anything but does everything very well and reliably. Most of the problems and bullshit with Android comes from the custom builds and bolted on bullshit added to the OS by the phone maker. Samsung is awful about this. The closer it is to bare bones Android/AOSP, the better it will work. That hasn't been an option on Samsung phones for like a decade, their bloatware is mandatory. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: iPhone users still need to turn it on manually. Just had to tell my son to do that. Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: It's not just the message bubble color. There is (or at least was) a functional reduction to the chat. Adding an Android user to an iMessage chat previously forced the swap of the app from an Apple-proprietary messaging protocol to standard SMS/MMS, which reduced some features for the users in that chat. Some examples include loss of read receipts / typing indicators, reduced quality of media pasted into the chat, and breaking group chats, requiring creation of a new group chat to accommodate the Android user. And although users likely didn't notice, falling back to SMS/MMS instead of a more modern protocol, like RCS, also broke encryption for the chat. Of course, iPhone users hated this and would blame the Android user, instead of Apple, for creating a messaging app that used a proprietary protocol that wasn't compatible with 70% of the mobile devices in the world. And Apple doubled down on this limitation for years, even though creating an Android version of iMessage would have been fairly straightforward. One might infer they failed to do so to give their users a sense of superiority, or perhaps just to lock them in, for fear of being a green bubble, but whatever the reason, it's clear creating a cross-platform version would have been easy for one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Whatsapp did it. So did Signal. But they chose not to, continuing to imply Android users were to blame. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Apple did eventually agree to at least adopt the open RCS standard for communicating with Android users, after being publicly shamed by Google in a media campaign they ran several years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_B0riy__rwAnd I believe that has addressed most of the major issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBWFVAoNuZUJFC, seriously? |
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Originally Posted By Naffenea: I moved from Samsung to an iPhone. I hate it. I'm thinking of going Pixel next phone. Originally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By juan223: ...doing something I never thought I'd EVER do in a million years... And that's get an iPhone... ugh This force move to Google messages is not a welcome change, GM is absolute DOGSHIT. Rant over...maybe. I moved from Samsung to an iPhone. I hate it. I'm thinking of going Pixel next phone. Even if you aren't interested in joining the GrapheneOS Master Race, a Pixel is one of the best choices today. It doesn't deviate much from AOSP, and some actual effort was put into the things Google added to the OS, so it works well. Samsung has become like those cheap computers in the 2000's factory loaded with garbage that makes it borderline unusable. |
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Originally Posted By ak4784: I was a Samsung/Android guy for a long time years ago. I got sick of the flaws and unstable nature of Android. I am sure it is better now than it used to be but whatever. I switched to iPhone. Here is my analogy- iPhones are like Glocks. Pretty basic OS, not to flashy, pretty standard stuff but they are built well and run great. It's not the best at anything but does everything very well and reliably. |
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Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: Huh? Most providers forced that change well over a year ago. Super easy. A few of my group chats got mangled up but other than that it's been a welcomed change. I seriously didn't know what the OP was talking about. Didn't realize people used anything other then GM on an Android. |
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Still using my Samsung Galaxy S9+ phone and Samsung Tab S3 tablet. I finally got tired of seeing the message that I was almost out of memory on the tablet so I did a hard reset last night. Since the only things I use the tablet for are reading ebooks, checking emails, and weather that seems to have cured my problem there. I am bummed that Samsung updated Samsung Health and changed it so you can no longer monitor your pulse with the phone; you need a smart watch / ring / junk trinket now. No, Samsung, I'm not buying a useless piece of wearable tech just to check my heart rate. I just uninstalled the app. |
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