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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:15:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is nowhere in WV that’s too far north for timber rattlesnakes and copperheads. Don t do this to me. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:16:16 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. I was being a little funny with this but they do send people in asking for signatures when people are at their weakest. Like they did when my dad coded from choking on Thanksgiving Turkey in the ambulance and the ER. The ambulance company chased me for the ride to the hospital. Why? Because I was there? Wife’s dad had a neighbor kid (age 15?) wreck on his skateboard a few years ago and hit his head just so without a helmet on. Wife’s dad heard the kid’s friend yelling for help. He called 911 and the boy was life-flighted to Atlanta, where he unfortunately didn’t survive the head injury. Poor kid. Anyway, my wife’s dad was the one who got the bill for the life flight a few weeks later, since he was the guy who called 911. Not sure who ended up paying it, but it wasn’t him. Fuckers. Gotta bill somebody... |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:23:34 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. The guy that started and runs that group - Norman Benoit - ran with Haast back in the day. I saw a TV show about this guy’s blood being used for research purposes. There are a couple cases of Bill's blood being used for treatment when the hospital couldn't get antivenom. That's how immune he was. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:49:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a couple cases of Bill's blood being used for treatment when the hospital couldn't get antivenom. That's how immune he was. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep. The guy that started and runs that group - Norman Benoit - ran with Haast back in the day. I saw a TV show about this guy’s blood being used for research purposes. There are a couple cases of Bill's blood being used for treatment when the hospital couldn't get antivenom. That's how immune he was. Lived to be 100-101 too? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:54:38 AM EDT
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OP, we're gonna have to nuke your house from orbit.
You know why. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:58:49 AM EDT
[#6]
I have BCBS Federal. My cost for an overnight and 3 doses of CroFab was $0. That was for a Copperhead bite.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:11:58 AM EDT
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I want it on the record that I flat out REFUSE to believe that there are any snakes, venomous or "safe", in my AO.
therefore there are none and I am perfectly safe from their unseen, slithery threat |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:13:27 AM EDT
[#8]
Ever milk a snake?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:15:36 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever milk a snake? Milked my snake a time or two. Does that count? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:18:59 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lived to be 100-101 too? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yep. The guy that started and runs that group - Norman Benoit - ran with Haast back in the day. I saw a TV show about this guy’s blood being used for research purposes. There are a couple cases of Bill's blood being used for treatment when the hospital couldn't get antivenom. That's how immune he was. Lived to be 100-101 too? Yep. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:34:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @ W_E_G Did it give the number of Units given? All we have so far is the Medicare statement. So, just what you see is all I have. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:02:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All we have so far is the Medicare statement. So, just what you see is all I have. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @ W_E_G Did it give the number of Units given? All we have so far is the Medicare statement. So, just what you see is all I have. That seems to be an exorbitant amount of $$ for what appears to be a very mild bite. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:09:49 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on OP's pictures, agreed. Copperheads really aren't that dangerous overall, compared to others. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:11:01 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If those hicks had just left the snakes alone,where they belonged and where they hurt no one,there would have been zero need. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:29:52 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still, not to be fucked with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Based on OP's pictures, agreed. Copperheads really aren't that dangerous overall, compared to others. Exactly. Any bite from a NA pit viper could be potentially life threatening, everyone's body reacts differently. Sidewinders are also often referred to as "not that dangerous" when compared to other rattlesnakes. A friend was bitten by one last summer, and it turned out to be a fairly nasty bite. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:36:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don t do this to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is nowhere in WV that's too far north for timber rattlesnakes and copperheads. Don t do this to me.  Attached FileWe got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/Untitled_jpg-1503569.JPG We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is nowhere in WV that's too far north for timber rattlesnakes and copperheads. Don t do this to me. We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too A West Virginian would make stew out of that before he turned it loose. lol |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:45:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A West Virginian would make stew out of that before he turned it loose. lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is nowhere in WV that's too far north for timber rattlesnakes and copperheads. Don t do this to me. We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too A West Virginian would make stew out of that before he turned it loose. lol I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:46:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is nowhere in WV that's too far north for timber rattlesnakes and copperheads. Don t do this to me. We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too A West Virginian would make stew out of that before he turned it loose. lol I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. Always liked your avatar pic!  |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you buy foreign antivenom you also need to find a doctor authorized to administer it. From what I understand it's considered an experimental drug in the US, and the doctor needs to have an extra string of letters on his license. I've talked to keepers who travelled to those areas, and brought several vials home as "personal use pharmaceuticals". Yep. I had a doctor who was considering doing it for me. Before I got too far into the process though I decided I really didn’t like keeping a cobra anyway, so I just sold it. The pit vipers I had didn’t worry me enough to continue down the importation path. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:58:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Always liked your avatar pic! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is nowhere in WV that's too far north for timber rattlesnakes and copperheads. Don t do this to me. We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too A West Virginian would make stew out of that before he turned it loose. lol I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. Always liked your avatar pic! Onslow is my spirit animal. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:59:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want it on the record that I flat out REFUSE to believe that there are any snakes, venomous or "safe", in my AO. therefore there are none and I am perfectly safe from their unseen, slithery threat LOL, my neighbor a few hundred yards away kills at least one a year. He's close to a rocky area that's probably has a den. So far, in six years there all I have seen is rat snakes. Doesn't mean the others aren't there, just haven't seen them. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:17:42 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:26:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Onslow is my spirit animal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is nowhere in WV that's too far north for timber rattlesnakes and copperheads. Don t do this to me. We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too A West Virginian would make stew out of that before he turned it loose. lol I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. Always liked your avatar pic! Onslow is my spirit animal. Aww, noice! |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:30:12 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. Keep some barely fed mongooses (mongeese?) in cages wired in the trees like Claymores but pointing at my house. I so much as think I hear a "sssssssss" and I hit the detonators which blow open the cages and out come like 300 starving snake eaters looking for a meal. Then, when the danger is over and the plural of mongoose have eaten their snake and fled into the woods to find more snakes to devour, I put up a few new cages of hungry ones. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:34:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because Medical billing in the US is a fucking scam. This for emphasis. This. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:38:16 PM EDT
[#27]
damn. that costs more than ink jet printer cartridges.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:10:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep some barely fed mongooses (mongeese?) in cages wired in the trees like Claymores but pointing at my house. I so much as think I hear a "sssssssss" and I hit the detonators which blow open the cages and out come like 300 starving snake eaters looking for a meal. Then, when the danger is over and the plural of mongoose have eaten their snake and fled into the woods to find more snakes to devour, I put up a few new cages of hungry ones. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:12:11 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of an asshole gets bitten by one of those damn things?  Some schmuck had one as a pet from what I remember. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:16:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. Cobras strike by falling forward, our snakes strike pretty much straight out very quickly. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:18:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cobras are slow-strikers, ours are muck quicker. Cobras strike by falling forward, our snakes strike pretty much straight out very quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. Cobras strike by falling forward, our snakes strike pretty much straight out very quickly. So I'm back to massive amounts of fire. It's funny how all my problems invariably end with fire as the solution. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:20:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, my neighbor a few hundred yards away kills at least one a year. He's close to a rocky area that's probably has a den. So far, in six years there all I have seen is rat snakes. Doesn't mean the others aren't there, just haven't seen them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want it on the record that I flat out REFUSE to believe that there are any snakes, venomous or "safe", in my AO. therefore there are none and I am perfectly safe from their unseen, slithery threat LOL, my neighbor a few hundred yards away kills at least one a year. He's close to a rocky area that's probably has a den. So far, in six years there all I have seen is rat snakes. Doesn't mean the others aren't there, just haven't seen them. I was averaging killing about 2 a year until I got some free range chickens and haven't seen one since. Related or coincidence I don't know. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:20:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because Medical billing in the US is a fucking scam. Yep. Like always the middle man takes a simple thing and makes it a clusterfuck. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:25:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cobras are slow-strikers, ours are muck quicker. Cobras strike by falling forward, our snakes strike pretty much straight out very quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. Cobras strike by falling forward, our snakes strike pretty much straight out very quickly. And with MUCH longer fangs. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:37:03 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep some barely fed mongooses (mongeese?) in cages wired in the trees like Claymores but pointing at my house. I so much as think I hear a "sssssssss" and I hit the detonators which blow open the cages and out come like 300 starving snake eaters looking for a meal. Then, when the danger is over and the plural of mongoose have eaten their snake and fled into the woods to find more snakes to devour, I put up a few new cages of hungry ones. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm thinking about breeding them for a few years, then releasing millions of them into the wild. That way I have some to eat and some will eat the snakes. It's win/win if you think about. Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. Keep some barely fed mongooses (mongeese?) in cages wired in the trees like Claymores but pointing at my house. I so much as think I hear a "sssssssss" and I hit the detonators which blow open the cages and out come like 300 starving snake eaters looking for a meal. Then, when the danger is over and the plural of mongoose have eaten their snake and fled into the woods to find more snakes to devour, I put up a few new cages of hungry ones. Newsletter? I'm subscribing 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:39:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And with MUCH longer fangs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Superior concept - but I'd want some beholden to and in direct vicinity of my household - so they'd be handy if any Riki Tiki Tavi shit needs to go down. Unfortunately they aint nearly as good against the snakes we have here. Cobras strike by falling forward, our snakes strike pretty much straight out very quickly. And with MUCH longer fangs. Thats the killer much more effective - hence my statement in despair. Phalanx or Meroka seems overkill but cant be to careful |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:53:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/Untitled_jpg-1503569.JPG We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too Won’t a rattlesnake (or pretty much any North American viper) kick a mongoose’s ass due to different striking technique? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:54:40 PM EDT
[#38]
I know virtually nothing about this stuff.
Why is anti-venom in short supply? Does it not store well? Like does it go bad in like a month or something, so it doesn’t make sense to harvest and make a bunch? It seems to me that there are thousands of people fucking around with venomous snakes at any given time, as owners or scientists. Why they don’t collect venom all the time, I don’t really understand. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:55:17 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: two different prices for the same thing? why? Why does a half gallon of milk cost more than half of a full gallon of milk? It's also possible that the entire vial has to be discarded after use whether or not it is all needed. In that case, the options are bill for the entire vial whether or not it is all used or charge more for the first dose to recoup the loss on the remaining doses that get wasted. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:07:00 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I lived near Morgantown and saw copperheads every summer. Bedford, PA - checking in. Personally have caught two copperheads and a rattlesnake within short walking distance of my home as a teenager. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:14:37 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And with MUCH longer fangs. ETA Rattlesnake Fangs  Cobra Fangs  |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:44:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Won't a rattlesnake (or pretty much any North American viper) kick a mongoose's ass due to different striking technique? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/Untitled_jpg-1503569.JPG We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too Won't a rattlesnake (or pretty much any North American viper) kick a mongoose's ass due to different striking technique? Did you leave out my whole post on purpose?  |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 4:45:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you leave out my whole post on purpose? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/Untitled_jpg-1503569.JPG We got options. I got in early on the Mantises for Murder Hornets - prolly should get in on this too Won't a rattlesnake (or pretty much any North American viper) kick a mongoose's ass due to different striking technique? Did you leave out my whole post on purpose? Fuck if I know- I’m juggling all kinds of shit at work today so I’m in ADD mode |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 5:31:23 PM EDT
[#44]
@W_E_G
Where are you in NOVA? I ask because I want to steal an airplane and napalm the shit out of your subdivision. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 5:34:19 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @W_E_G Where are you in NOVA? I ask because I want to steal an airplane and napalm the shit out of your subdivision.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 6:01:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know virtually nothing about this stuff. Why is anti-venom in short supply? Does it not store well? Like does it go bad in like a month or something, so it doesn’t make sense to harvest and make a bunch? It seems to me that there are thousands of people fucking around with venomous snakes at any given time, as owners or scientists. Why they don’t collect venom all the time, I don’t really understand. I looked that up...looks like the shelf life went from 3 years to 5 years recently. However, it's probably a very limited production item...so low demand on it, so they don't produce much, and the normal dose (not my field being a podiatrist) is several vials. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 7:05:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In real life. 6 vials for everyone. See what happens. Saves on cost compared to giving 12 up front. If it continues to progress give another 6. Once no progression switch to maintenance dosing 2 vials every 6. Anavip is even better - nearly every hospital here in AZ where we see quite a few bites has switched to it - cheaper and no redosing. Yeah, that’s from up to date. My board review course quoted 5 |
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